The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - November 05, 2025


Betrayal: Conservative MP crossing floor to Carney's Liberals (Budget Fiasco)

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In a massive betrayal of Canadian Conservatives, Conservative MP Chris D'Entremont has decided to resign from the party and is likely to join Mark Carney's new Liberal government. I break down all the details of this with you guys and then we will talk a little bit about the budget for an entirely different video.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. We have some breaking news to discuss right now.
00:00:05.760 In a massive betrayal of Canadian Conservatives, Conservative MP Chris Dontremont has decided to
00:00:13.040 resign from the party and is likely to join Mark Carney's Liberal government. He represents the
00:00:19.160 riding of Acadianapolis in Nova Scotia and was, until today, the only Conservative MP from the
00:00:26.540 riding. Now, I want to break down all the details of this with you guys and then we will talk a little
00:00:32.160 bit about the budget, but I mainly want to preserve discussion of the budget for an entirely different
00:00:37.720 video. We'll just kind of breeze over it because it kind of has to do with this potential floor
00:00:43.360 crossing over to the Liberals. Again, he has resigned from the Conservative Party, but we don't know yet
00:00:49.320 if he will go over to the Liberals. It seems pretty likely just based on his statements, but it still
00:00:54.260 hasn't quite happened yet. But before I get into it, I just want to remind you guys, hey, if you like
00:00:59.800 the channel, make sure to leave a like on this video. Subscribe if you are not yet a subscriber,
00:01:04.380 and if you are a subscriber, please hit the notification bell. And of course, with a big
00:01:09.800 shocking topic like this, let me know what you think in the comment section below. My first not even hot
00:01:17.100 take, it is the coldest take you could possibly get. This is why we need recall legislation. When somebody
00:01:23.300 just decides to up and leave a party for what we are about to get into being a very shallow reason,
00:01:30.180 I think their voters should be able to recall them and have a new election. This wasn't somebody being
00:01:36.200 kicked out of the Conservative Party because they ran in a certain way in the election, and then the
00:01:41.360 party was telling them to do something they weren't comfortable with, and then they ended up getting
00:01:44.940 kicked out. This is someone just looking at their watch saying, oh, look at the time, and then they just
00:01:49.700 leave. You know, it might be easier to get elected as a Liberal next election, so what I'm going to go
00:01:55.620 do? This is absolutely pathetic. Chris D'Entremont should never be re-elected again, no matter what 0.99
00:02:02.120 party banner he is running under, because this was a big betrayal. Again, if you leave a party because
00:02:08.220 there was an ideological schism, they, you know, it's like in British Columbia with Tara Armstrong leaving
00:02:15.320 the BC Conservatives after they kicked out Dallas Brody. That was because of an ideological shift
00:02:20.420 the party was going over, and she says, I never signed up for this. I'm going to keep representing
00:02:24.240 the values that I signed on to represent in a new party that will actually let me do it. This
00:02:30.640 is just nothing. It is just a popcorn fart of a reason, but we will now get into it.
00:02:36.800 So, this all started in the morning with rumors being published in Politico, the online political
00:02:44.760 magazine, saying that Conservative MP says he's considering joining Canada's Liberal government.
00:02:51.960 And I just want to go down and jump to his reasons. The preamble here is everything I've already
00:02:57.940 pretty much said at this point. So, Chris D'Entremont pointed to his narrow margin of victory in the last
00:03:04.900 election. He beat the Liberal candidate by 1.1% and said he is looking at what's best for his
00:03:11.060 constituents. If D'Entremont crosses the aisle and two additional Conservative MPs join the Liberals,
00:03:17.160 Carney's majority would be secure. D'Entremont said the Liberals have been courting other
00:03:22.040 Conservatives who view themselves as centrists but wouldn't disclose who. Quote, you don't have to ask
00:03:27.940 them, he said. He also declined to say who was doing the courting and whether or not conversations
00:03:33.260 included the Prime Minister's office. So, he's effectively just saying, at the same time, he
00:03:38.980 makes a token effort to pretend that he cares about his constituents. He's saying that, well, you know,
00:03:45.820 I barely won last time, so I'm going to go to a team that I think I'm going to be able to win with
00:03:51.500 more easily next time. What a political hero. What a titan of principle and integrity. I'm simply going
00:03:59.700 to leave because it might be easier to win with the other guys. And centrism, are you, sorry, representing
00:04:07.380 centrism or are you representing your Conservative voters? Now, I don't require every person inside the
00:04:14.320 Conservative Party to be as Conservative as me. You can be a little bit, you know, more liberal depending on the
00:04:20.820 issue, as long as you generally have what I could see as a Conservative core to you. There are people out there,
00:04:27.260 I would even say, are more of a red Tory. But based on their riding and based on the issues I think
00:04:32.520 they're actually quite good on, I'm perfectly fine with them being in the party. But we have a problem
00:04:37.940 in the Conservative Party of people who are only there because it was easier to get elected as a
00:04:42.780 Conservative than the Liberals, but in fact they would be more comfortable being part of the Liberal
00:04:47.560 Party that stands for nothing in particular other than keeping themselves elected. Now, yes, the Liberal
00:04:53.360 Party is a very left-wing, woke party like the NDP. But for many Liberals, it's just an easy place,
00:05:00.780 or for many just MPs, it's just an easy place to get elected with because it's a party that kind of is
00:05:06.420 vague. It's not quite as left-wing as the NDP, it's not actually Conservative like the Conservative Party,
00:05:13.500 and so you can kind of just be a complete do-nothing Liberal MP that doesn't believe in anything in
00:05:19.160 particular but votes with the government and have a very long and fruitless career that other but
00:05:25.140 is still paid for handsomely by the taxpayers. But I want to go a little bit further into this article
00:05:31.560 because very much it seems like the strategy of Mark Carney is rather than doing a good job in
00:05:38.880 government and making people like him to be able to maintain his government, he's going to try and
00:05:43.720 maybe threaten the positions of some Conservative MPs and put them on his target list to see if he
00:05:49.140 can make them cross the floor. So rather than actually having to win a government, he can threaten
00:05:53.300 his way into getting a government. It says,
00:05:56.120 The Nova Scotia MP had a recent falling out with his party after his caucus refused to back him as
00:06:01.680 Speaker of the House of Commons. A position, uh, Chris, I've already forgotten how to say his last name,
00:06:07.560 D'Entremont? D'Entremont. There you go. D'Entremont has sought more than once. He previously served as a
00:06:14.920 Deputy Speaker of the House. His views are more in step with Carney, who is seen as leaning further
00:06:21.440 right than previous Liberal leaders. No, he's not. He's just, he's not Trudeau. He's always seems more
00:06:26.580 Conservative in his temperament and style. He's still as Liberal, as left-wing as Trudeau, as he's just
00:06:31.680 Temperament seems more Conservative. But the article goes on to say,
00:06:35.020 he is also well-liked within the Liberal Party and is known to buy, not, uh, he is not known to
00:06:41.040 buy into the right-wing populism movement that Conservative leader Pierre Polyev embraces.
00:06:46.100 His views are more in step with Carney? Then why didn't he run for the Carney Liberals? Or is it
00:06:51.940 because he saw going into 2025, it was more likely that he was going to win as a Conservative? And now
00:06:58.100 that he thinks that the, that the winds have shifted a bit, he's going to run as a Liberal. And also,
00:07:03.000 oh my goodness, I can't believe the Conservatives didn't let me be the Speaker of the House.
00:07:08.740 Well, of course they don't want you to be the Speaker of the House. They want the Liberals to have
00:07:13.820 to put up the Speaker so that it's more difficult for them to pass things, because the Speaker tends
00:07:19.160 to not be able to vote on actual pieces of legislation. And so by the Conservatives putting
00:07:24.180 up the Speaker, it would actually get the Liberals artificially closer to being let all pass stuff,
00:07:29.380 even though the government usually puts the Speaker up. It's also asinine. 0.99
00:07:34.620 But now let's move on to some other stuff about this whole controversy. 0.91
00:07:40.040 I want to just jump over to the letter, just because, you know, we should talk about the letter
00:07:44.020 he released. It's extremely short, so you'll forgive me for moving on quite quickly.
00:07:49.200 Trendingpolitics.ca posts on X breaking.
00:07:51.720 And it says right here, I'm not sure why it says Ottawa in November 2005. I assume that's
00:08:02.880 a typo. Honorable Pierre Polyev, leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, His Majesty's
00:08:07.600 official opposition. Mr. Polyev, please accept this letter of resignation from the Conservative
00:08:12.040 Party of Canada and the Conservative Caucus immediately. Sincerely, Chris.
00:08:16.300 Yes. Yeah, absolutely pathetic. But now I just want to go on to talking about the coverage 0.99
00:08:24.140 that came out of the media right in the midst of this, just to add some little bit of flavor
00:08:29.480 to the way that this is being covered right now.
00:08:33.360 OK, sorry, I just got an update on something else. Andrew, every time you talk, I get update
00:08:38.260 from the Conservative Caucus. Chris D'Entremont resigned is what his office is not his office,
00:08:43.740 what Mr. Polyev's office is telling me, that he has resigned. He is no longer a member of
00:08:48.880 the Conservative Caucus. So, Lisa Wright, I'm going to come to you.
00:08:53.400 Does that change things here at all, learning that Mr. D'Entremont resigned? Because obviously
00:08:58.640 when you make those comments to Politico and spell out how you're feeling about things,
00:09:03.520 it's tough to stick around after that.
00:09:05.860 Well, it sounds like you made a choice, right? And listen, making these choices is not easy.
00:09:09.840 It's, you got to weigh out the fact that you're part of the Conservative family. We do think of
00:09:14.160 ourselves as a family. And the people that you are very close to, suddenly you're not going to
00:09:18.520 be as close to. I don't know if he's going to sit as an independent. I don't know if he's going to sit
00:09:22.140 somewhere else in the House. But I'm sure he will reveal all at some point in time. Be interesting
00:09:27.880 to see how he votes on the budget, to be honest. Maybe that's the beginning of it all.
00:09:31.740 And if he votes to, and that's a good point from Lisa Wright, it's going to be interesting to see
00:09:37.500 if he votes for it or against it. Because when he is described as a centrist, but he ran for the
00:09:43.140 Conservative Party, we're not expecting him to be like a, you know, a red meat conservative on 1.00
00:09:49.280 everything. Hey, he's in Eastern Canada. I get it. Some maritime MPs tend to be more socially liberal
00:09:56.180 or so. But even on fiscal policy, where does he disagree with pure poly of the fact that we spend
00:10:02.240 too much money and we need to actually take our debt seriously and we have far too much corporate
00:10:07.900 welfare in our budget. We have far too much wasteful spending, stupid spending on DEI, very poor choices 0.99
00:10:13.840 when it comes to foreign aid spending. What was his actual problem? He likes the liberal budget that 1.00
00:10:20.240 although it's pretending like it's going to actually drink the size of government by laying off
00:10:25.460 certain employees, it's actually just taking that money, reinvesting it elsewhere, meaning that
00:10:30.900 nobody is really fired. You're just being redistributed to another area of government at the
00:10:36.260 same time the government blows out the deficit. Because you can't say that you're more conservative
00:10:42.100 like Politico tries to claim that Mark Carney is at the same time that the deficit and the debt is
00:10:48.720 getting worse. In fact, debt service spending is $54 billion for the fiscal year 2025-2026.
00:10:59.760 Ridiculous. $54 billion is what we're spending just on the debt servicing alone. More than we are
00:11:07.780 planning on spending on defense is what we spend just to keep the debt in line.
00:11:11.340 And Chris, whatever, this is the problem. Don't put apostrophes in your name or Wyatt will forget how to
00:11:19.020 say it. But Chris apparently thinks that's great and he might go over and vote for it now. But now
00:11:25.040 let's just jump over quickly to conservative House leader Andrew Scheer reacting to the news in front of
00:11:35.360 the media at the Parliament. Mr. Scheer, before I get into your action budget, I got to ask you, we just
00:11:39.840 got into our inbox. An MP of yours, Chris D'Entremont, has quit caucus, has resigned from caucus. Your
00:11:46.900 reaction to that and what it says about your party? Well, it's disappointing that Chris D'Entremont has
00:11:52.460 decided that he doesn't want to fight for a more affordable life for Canadians, that he doesn't want
00:11:56.380 to fight inflationary deficits that are driving up grocery prices in his riding. You know, he's now
00:12:01.400 telling constituents that he just got their votes just a few months ago, that now he's in favor of
00:12:06.400 the industrial carbon tax on things like farm equipment and fertilizer, driving up food costs,
00:12:10.520 that he's in favor of fuel standards that the Liberals are imposing that's going to increase
00:12:15.500 gasoline by 17 cents a litre. So, you know, he'll have to go back to the supporters in his riding that
00:12:21.060 dug deep into their own pockets to support his campaign, explain why he took their precious time 0.90
00:12:26.740 and resources and then turn their back on them just a few months later. And the funny thing with
00:12:31.980 this is based on what Scheer is saying, it's not like a shocking revelation, but do you think that
00:12:38.300 the Conservatives, if Chris D'Entremont actually decides to stick around and run for re-election,
00:12:44.080 that he will be re-elected as anything above dog catcher in his area? Or do you think that the
00:12:49.060 Conservatives, having still more money than the Liberal Party when it comes to their war chest,
00:12:53.680 are going to dump $200,000 into that riding and make sure that Chris does not get re-elected,
00:13:00.300 even if the Conservatives can't win it? Although it is mostly just a Liberal Conservative riding,
00:13:05.880 so there's no way of splitting it to another party, but you get my point. They're going to be out for
00:13:09.660 blood for him. And yeah, the narrative doesn't even really make sense for Chris, because he would
00:13:14.960 have spoken out, even as a very centrist Conservative, he would have spoken out against so many things that
00:13:21.660 the Carney government is currently doing that he said were bad and why you should vote for him,
00:13:26.280 because he's not going to do it. But now he's doing it. Might it be that he doesn't think your
00:13:30.220 party's solutions are the correct ones now? You know, he ran on them in the platform. He saw our
00:13:34.940 platform and he said, yes, I support all this back in April when Conservatives were offering hope to
00:13:40.580 young Canadians who couldn't find jobs, who had to move back in with their parents, back into their
00:13:46.320 parents' basement. Our platform offered hope for young Canadians. Mark Carney's message is one of
00:13:52.160 sacrifice, that Canadians who have been hammered hard by the cost of the living crisis are going to
00:13:55.720 have to sacrifice even more to feed an ever-growing budget, a deficit that's going to add billions to
00:14:02.220 the national debt that has to be paid off with interest. So Mr. Dontremont's going to have to explain
00:14:06.800 that to his constituents. And I hope you have definitely requested an interview, and I'll be asking him
00:14:11.600 those questions. But ultimately, what does it say that there might be enough in this budget and the
00:14:17.580 way in which this Prime Minister is governing to satisfy someone who ran just a few months ago as
00:14:22.320 a Conservative? Does that not say something more largely than your party? I wouldn't read too much
00:14:25.600 of that. I know Mr. Dontremont has had some personal grievances about the fact that he didn't get elected
00:14:30.360 Deputy Speaker. He's been kind of upset about that. So I'm disappointed that he let his own personal
00:14:35.860 grievances get in the way of his commitment to his constituents, that he would fight for a more
00:14:40.700 affordable budget to bring down the cost of living to lower the tax burden on Canadians. But again,
00:14:44.600 he's going to have to explain to all the people that he looked in the eye, took their donations,
00:14:49.460 put signs on their lawns, and then explain why he betrayed them just a few months later.
00:14:54.200 And again, when you actually look at the dynamics of a riding like that, the Conservatives are in fact
00:14:59.600 doing better in Atlantic Canada in the polling than they did on Election Day. And they won that 0.93
00:15:05.840 riding. Obviously, Chris Dontremont was elected as a Conservative at the time.
00:15:10.700 So does he not think that his Conservative replacement, with an energized base of ticked 0.99
00:15:15.420 off people who now want to stick it to him, aren't going to be able to elect a different
00:15:19.460 person, a younger Conservative person as the representative of the riding? I'm trying to
00:15:24.960 find the Atlantic numbers here. But yeah, although it's like rated as potentially more liberal
00:15:32.920 leaning, generally speaking, when you actually shake out the results in a real election, it's
00:15:38.000 probably going to go Conservative. A lot of pollsters have this problem where they weigh
00:15:41.500 over all the Liberals in Atlantic Canada. And I'm not just saying that. Look at the Newfoundland
00:15:46.120 and Labrador provincial election. Liberals leading by sometimes 20 points in certain polls. And I don't
00:15:53.380 even blame the pollsters. It's just a very difficult part of the country to pull accurately.
00:15:58.440 Liberals leading provincially 20 points, 14 points, 13 points, 16 points, and they get blown out by the
00:16:06.160 PC party and they win a majority government. Now they're not the most Conservative party,
00:16:10.720 the PCs in Newfoundland. But still, it's not like the actual Liberal brand is that bulletproof when
00:16:18.180 it comes to the Maritimes. And when you actually correct for some of the really bad pollsters in
00:16:23.380 Atlantic Canada, some are far more realistic. Acadianapolis is very likely to just go back
00:16:29.340 to the Conservatives, no matter what political maneuvering goes on here. But anyways, that
00:16:35.040 should be pretty much it for this story. I don't think you need me to keep harping on about how much
00:16:40.000 of a betrayal this is. It is. He's probably going to get punished by the voters for it.
00:16:44.900 Mark Carney may be trying to cobble himself together a majority government here, but now it's probably
00:16:50.000 time for Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev to put the pressure on anyone else who would think
00:16:54.660 about leaving. And so that they know whenever the election happens, whether it be in a full four
00:16:59.740 years or it be in the next year, they're not going to get re-elected if they decide to make the jump.
00:17:05.160 What are you really getting other than you get to say that you're a part of the government when you
00:17:09.320 lose all of your integrity and respect from the people that got you into office? It's absolutely
00:17:14.700 stupid. But anyways, with that all being said, thank you guys for watching and I'll see you all next time. 0.91