The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - December 13, 2025


Can Carney steal a Liberal majority？ Corrupt MP crosses floor!

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Michael Ma Mark Carney Pierre Poilievre Chris D'Entremont Markham Unionville Melissa Lantzman Bloc Québécois Elizabeth May Pierre Pauly Carson Gemma Michael Chan Zhang Hongbin Nehan Azam David Martin Vincent Ke Victor Oh Andy Lee Gang Tan Conservative
Traitor： Conservative MP joins Carney Liberals - Is this Bribery？!？ Carney undermining democracy because he fears a new election!

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Wyatt Claypool continues to discuss the fallout from Conservative MP for Markham Unionville, Michael Ma, suddenly deciding that he was going to cross the floor and join Prime Minister Mark Carney's liberal government for absolutely no reason.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.
00:00:02.800 In this video, I wanted to continue to discuss the political fallout from Conservative MP for Markham Unionville, Michael Ma,
00:00:11.620 suddenly yesterday deciding that he was going to cross the floor and join Prime Minister Mark Carney's liberal government.
00:00:19.480 Why? No reason.
00:00:21.160 In fact, the letter he released trying to justify himself was so thin that friend of the channel, Nahon Azam, actually fed it into an AI detector
00:00:34.180 and it 100% had evidence that it was written by AI, at least in large part, if not the entire thing was AI based on just some simple prompt.
00:00:45.200 Hey, I'm a hack. That's not a real conservative trying to cross the floor to the liberals. Put me together 300 words to justify myself.
00:00:53.800 And Nahon right here writes,
00:00:55.720 No way. What a coward. 1.00
00:00:57.680 Michael Ma discovered another level of stupidity and cowardice by using AI to write his floor crossing statement. 1.00
00:01:04.480 I feel terrible for his staffers and constituents. 1.00
00:01:07.240 I do believe his constituency assistant has already resigned because obviously they do not want to keep working for a turncoat here.
00:01:16.240 But how shameless is Michael Ma?
00:01:18.740 Well, yesterday, or two days ago, I guess, despite the fact the man probably already knew he was going to leave the Conservative Party,
00:01:28.220 backstab his own voters, and join Mark Carney's government,
00:01:32.120 he decided to show up to the Conservative Party, Conservative Christmas Party anyways,
00:01:37.260 and he got his family to take a photo with Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev,
00:01:42.020 who probably had no clue that Ma was going to be leaving the next day. 1.00
00:01:45.640 HOC staffer here says,
00:01:48.240 Michael Ma attended the Conservative Christmas Party last night and took a pic with Pierre,
00:01:53.160 then crossed the floor today.
00:01:55.240 I guess maybe he's just a big enthusiast for Christmas parties because he then attended the Liberal Christmas Party yesterday,
00:02:02.540 and Mark Carney introduced him on stage. 0.84
00:02:05.380 Again, while I bring this video up, I cannot emphasize enough how pathetic the letter was that he released.
00:02:11.380 It was pretty much just, well, Carney's a stable and unifying leader, and we need him right now, 0.53
00:02:16.920 so I'm joining the party because a constituent of mine or two, or maybe three, probably all made up,
00:02:22.740 told me that I should.
00:02:24.160 It's ridiculous that he actually thought that he could get away with just saying,
00:02:27.780 my constituents were telling me to do this.
00:02:30.320 Which ones? Name them.
00:02:31.980 They probably don't exist.
00:02:33.740 But here is Mark Carney introducing him on stage.
00:02:36.480 Some may have just joined our party.
00:02:43.480 Some may have literally just joined our party.
00:02:50.300 Let's give a warm welcome to our newest member of the Liberal Party, Michael Ma.
00:02:59.140 And me, for you, Dan Martin.
00:03:02.120 Did you just say Union Markhamville?
00:03:09.340 They didn't even get the name of the riding right.
00:03:13.120 God, it's such a big welcome.
00:03:15.480 Thank you.
00:03:16.360 Thank you.
00:03:17.620 All I'm saying is,
00:03:20.040 Merry Christmas,
00:03:21.440 Happy holidays,
00:03:23.620 and a great 1426 summer to all of you.
00:03:27.120 Thank you.
00:03:27.820 Yeah, this is absolutely utterly pathetic that this can go on. 0.78
00:03:34.620 There are some people who think that floor crossing needs more rules to it. 0.92
00:03:39.300 And I agree.
00:03:40.040 Some people, though, saying that you should just ban floor crossing.
00:03:43.040 I'm going to tell you why that doesn't work.
00:03:45.400 Logically, you can't ban floor crossing.
00:03:48.680 Because in theory,
00:03:49.800 somebody could just sit as a conservative and just vote for whatever the liberals wanted.
00:03:53.100 Or they could just go sit as an independent and just keep voting for whatever the liberals wanted.
00:03:57.840 And it wouldn't really change anything.
00:03:59.560 What I think we need to do is make it so that if you want to cross the floor and actually be able to run for that other party in the next election,
00:04:08.380 that you need to actually get 10 to 15 percent of your constituents to sign off on it.
00:04:14.420 So even if you did cross the floor and join the liberal party,
00:04:19.600 you are not allowed to run for the liberal party next election until 10 to 15 percent of your constituents within a 90-day period actually give you permission to do that.
00:04:29.240 Because they elected you as a conservative.
00:04:31.280 They do not want your color on the ballot just flip-flopping for absolutely no reason.
00:04:37.440 Because everyone acts like,
00:04:38.800 oh, well, maybe he was just,
00:04:40.480 he wasn't liking Polly of enough,
00:04:42.000 so he left.
00:04:42.580 Do you think Michael Ma cares?
00:04:44.860 It probably ended up just being who was offering him more.
00:04:48.600 Was the liberal party willing to give him some sort of treat to come over?
00:04:52.420 I would not doubt it at all.
00:04:54.600 Because there's nothing else to explain the behavior here.
00:04:58.040 I thought that this was a pretty good National Post headline for today that I think sums it up quite well.
00:05:03.040 That just calls out all the nonsense just all at once.
00:05:06.820 It does not give any credence to this being a real floor crossing motivated by an ideological sort of fissure between him and Polly of or because his constituents actually wanted him to leave.
00:05:20.120 This National Post excerpt reads,
00:05:22.340 There was no issues of conscience that Ma was wrestling with.
00:05:26.240 No loud calls from his constituents that he must aid Prime Minister Mark Carney's quest for majority.
00:05:31.720 No apparent fallout with Conservative leader Pierre Polly of.
00:05:34.780 Carson Gemma, holy cow, Michael Ma is shameless.
00:05:38.660 That is the overall headline right there. 0.94
00:05:42.080 This was purely shameless.
00:05:45.580 And I'm going to say, whoever appointed that guy in the Conservative Party, whoever greenlit him, whoever looked at his background because absolutely he was hanging around CCP front groups,
00:05:57.320 whoever let this guy into the party and thought it was all going to work out, you should be fired.
00:06:02.500 They should act like you are infected with a plague and you are not allowed within 100 meters of the building.
00:06:09.260 Because some people are acting like this is just a problem of this guy being compromised.
00:06:13.820 The Conservative Party needs to get smart.
00:06:16.540 Do not let people like this run for you.
00:06:18.900 Screen people for ideological purity.
00:06:21.880 And I don't mean purity as in you have to believe everything I believe or you can't be a Conservative MP.
00:06:26.680 But I mean like there's a pillar of conservatism that really holds up your ideology.
00:06:31.240 You don't have to be the most Conservative person.
00:06:33.860 I wouldn't agree with everything that Melissa Lantzman believes.
00:06:37.800 But you know what?
00:06:38.620 She's a Conservative on many issues fundamentally with how she thinks we would maybe disagree on social issues.
00:06:44.160 When it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to finances, when it comes to crime, she is Conservative.
00:06:50.440 Could you really say that about Michael Ma?
00:06:52.600 Andy Lee here says,
00:06:54.020 I just thought everyone should know, floor-crosser Michael Ma was hanging around former Senator Victor Oh,
00:07:00.020 Yang Tan, Vincent Qi, Michael Chan, Council General Chang Hongbo,
00:07:06.120 and person of interest to CSIS Wai Cheyoun.
00:07:10.300 I cannot pronounce these all great, but yes, this is what we call probably a CCP front group,
00:07:17.660 considering there are people connected to the, I believe it's like the Chinese People's United Front or whatever,
00:07:24.620 the United Front Workers Department, who didn't look into this.
00:07:28.860 Now, I even had some people yesterday being like,
00:07:30.800 oh, why, why didn't you call it up before the election?
00:07:32.820 And to be fair, there's like one or two people.
00:07:34.520 I do need to respond to that by just saying,
00:07:37.000 obviously, I don't live there, so I was not tasked with looking through this guy.
00:07:41.200 I don't work for the Federal Conservative Party.
00:07:43.340 But, my goodness, look into your people.
00:07:46.040 Do not let them get into your caucus, because they may screw you over like this.
00:07:50.560 You can't, they screen out sometimes people, because, oh, he's too conservative, maybe he's controversial.
00:07:55.800 Run some controversial people, as long as they believe in the right things.
00:07:59.700 Controversy doesn't really mean anything at the end of the day.
00:08:02.200 It means that they are somebody people talk about.
00:08:05.620 I've heard about controversial politicians who are also extremely popular.
00:08:10.440 Controversy doesn't actually mean unpopular.
00:08:12.620 Controversy means, you know, that person's like the center of social attention at times.
00:08:17.960 Go for those people.
00:08:18.900 If anything, they get more voters to turn out because they're interesting.
00:08:22.340 And they're probably going to turn out in favor of them than against them.
00:08:25.120 I'm not saying, you know, run a guy with a criminal record,
00:08:27.700 not run a guy who's actually said and done objectively bad things.
00:08:31.280 But if a guy's pro-life, like myself, if a guy, you know, is a little bit more of a populist online, who cares?
00:08:37.920 Let him run.
00:08:38.780 Stop picking safe consultant choices, because they're not actually safe.
00:08:42.840 We are figuring that out.
00:08:45.060 But anyways, I want to show, I'm not sure how much more of this I really need to show here.
00:08:51.020 But we have this article coming out from National News Watch.
00:08:54.780 I believe it's just a Canada Press Wire story.
00:08:57.260 And it says a senior CPC source, that's the Conservative Party of Canada, granted anonymity,
00:09:05.180 sometimes I can't talk, to discuss internal party politics, predicts that Carney will have a majority by spring 2026,
00:09:13.700 quote, one way or another, unquote.
00:09:16.780 They expect at least one more Conservative Party MP to join the Liberal government.
00:09:21.040 Now, you never know if it's not actually a Conservative Party source, and it's just some Liberal trying to gin it up,
00:09:27.840 that there may be someone else coming.
00:09:29.780 Although it is, it could be someone anonymously passing information to the media from the Conservative Party.
00:09:35.960 But again, are we, is this really a country where Mark Carney can effectively just steal his way into a majority?
00:09:42.660 Just pick up Chris D'Entremont, because he was upset he didn't get to be Deputy Speaker. 0.99
00:09:47.000 Pathetic. 0.94
00:09:47.740 You can pick up Michael Ma, because Michael Ma doesn't believe anything, 0.99
00:09:50.460 and maybe the asking price was right enough for him to come over now.
00:09:53.780 And someone else is going to come over?
00:09:55.300 For what reason?
00:09:56.600 Like, genuinely, you should have to be able to state an ideological reason.
00:10:00.460 Yes, we can't technically stop you from just sitting as an independent voting with the Liberals anyways.
00:10:04.720 But you should be at least, for like, you know, for moral decency's sake, actually able to describe why it wasn't working with the Conservatives and why you need to join the Liberals. 0.95
00:10:15.880 Because like, D'Entremont was pathetic.
00:10:18.160 In his writing of Acadianapolis and Nova Scotia, there are lots of fisheries, lots of fishermen. 0.95
00:10:24.000 And he was even critiquing the Liberals during the election that they have a terrible record when it comes to fishing.
00:10:29.580 But then he said on his floor crossing to the Liberals, oh, you know, the Conservatives' platform on fishing was a little thin.
00:10:36.700 Okay, but it was 10,000 times better than whatever the Liberals have.
00:10:40.680 And I don't even exactly agree with that premise.
00:10:42.500 There was a reason why the Conservatives picked up two more ridings in Newfoundland and Labrador.
00:10:46.980 It's because their platform, when it came to fisheries, was actually very, very good overall, especially compared to the Liberals.
00:10:54.220 But these guys will just say anything to cross the floor.
00:10:56.860 Like, if you didn't hate politicians before, you hate them now.
00:11:02.220 Now, there are good people, there are bad people.
00:11:04.700 But again, parties need to be full of, frankly, ideologues more than pragmatists.
00:11:10.820 Yes, it doesn't sound bad.
00:11:12.780 Oh, ideologues, ooh, they're inflexible when it comes to certain issues.
00:11:16.720 Well, yes, they're supposed to represent a certain ideological want for what the government should be like.
00:11:23.340 You don't want to elect a guy who always has his own ideas.
00:11:26.240 Yeah, you want him to be a little independent-minded, but independent-minded in pursuing, you know, in serving the community, in pursuing the things that he said he was going to pursue.
00:11:36.520 Not someone who's pliable and could go anywhere. 1.00
00:11:39.420 That's just stupid. 0.99
00:11:41.640 No, this is, this story is so much more, like, important than you think it is. 0.99
00:11:48.100 This is a story from the CBC from a month ago.
00:11:51.960 Bloc Québécois candidate who lost by one vote plans appeal to Supreme Court.
00:11:58.200 Natalie Sinclair de Sangue, I cannot speak French, I'm sorry, guys, says error in Superior Court ruling invites an appeal.
00:12:06.660 Well, guys, we have to hope that the Bloc Québécois is able to remove the Liberal in Terrebonne, because Elections Canada clearly screwed up in that riding.
00:12:18.080 The Liberal voted one by one vote because of just incompetence on the part of Elections Canada printing the wrong returning address on tons of mail-in ballots.
00:12:26.640 They should obviously be making sure to roll that election back and having a by-election. 0.98
00:12:32.800 The Conservatives' other path is that all the Liberals who seem to be planning on leaving before the end of this year or sometime next year,
00:12:40.560 maybe that opens up to Conservatives if Mark Carney really screws something up for the Conservatives or even another party to beat the Liberals in a by-election.
00:12:49.380 If anything, the NDP, if the NDP have a better chance of winning or riding over the Liberals, let them run it.
00:12:55.920 Have the Conservatives tell their people to go vote NDP.
00:12:58.760 If the Conservatives have a better chance, get the NDP to vote Conservative, because you will be locked into a Carney majority if you can pull another Conservative over the line right now.
00:13:07.700 In fact, technically, Elizabeth May could set herself up as dictator, give the Liberals one vote, and then they could just have the Speaker tie-break the votes, 1.00
00:13:16.780 because that's all they really need right now.
00:13:18.340 They have 171 Liberal MPs, one of them serving as the Speaker.
00:13:22.120 So if they get one more vote, it's 172, and then the Speaker breaks the tie.
00:13:27.580 What is going on in Canadian politics at this point?
00:13:30.400 Like, again, I know I had people also say, like, hey, well, you said that you didn't think there was going to be any more floor-crossers. 1.00
00:13:37.680 Well, yes, I did.
00:13:41.140 At the same time, I think we can all agree, did we really notice any Conservatives that were chafing against the Conservative Party's ideology?
00:13:48.900 They were uncomfortable with Polyev?
00:13:50.480 I don't think a single one of them are.
00:13:53.240 Michael Ma doesn't have a problem with pure Polyev.
00:13:55.960 He doesn't care.
00:13:56.580 He was taking a photo with them the previous day, and he was attacking the Liberals, just like Chris D'Entremont was in the House of Commons,
00:14:02.640 as not doing enough for Canadians and letting them down.
00:14:07.540 And so the idea that somehow, like, this, they're just, like, that we should have known this was going to happen,
00:14:14.400 I can't predict, effectively, somebody just deciding they're going to cross out of pure self-interest,
00:14:19.220 just with no actual, like, with no reason given that gives any ideological satisfaction to the situation.
00:14:26.580 But anyways, that should be it for this video, guys.
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00:15:07.340 Anyways, well, with that being said, thank you guys for watching.
00:15:11.220 I guarantee there are going to be some silver linings in a few days for us to discuss,
00:15:15.160 but until then, I will see you guys next time.