The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - June 20, 2024


Canada's Worst MP embarrasses himself and the Liberals again

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In this episode of The Wyatt Claypool Show, we're talking about the incompetence of Mark Gerritsen, a backbencher of the Liberal Party of Canada, and the dumbest thing a politician has ever tweeted.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. Welcome back to The Wyatt Claypool Show.
00:00:04.560 Incompetence. Canadian politics is full of it.
00:00:07.840 And that is what I've made the topic of the show today.
00:00:10.960 Talking about all the different shapes and flavors of incompetence
00:00:14.660 that we see throughout our political system here in Canada.
00:00:18.420 And you might be thinking to yourself,
00:00:20.220 couldn't every episode of this show just be on political incompetence
00:00:23.420 considering our political system is full of incompetent people 1.00
00:00:26.880 who are always saying and doing stupid things? 1.00
00:00:30.040 Yes. 1.00
00:00:31.180 But I'm putting a special focus on it today
00:00:33.540 because a few stars have aligned
00:00:35.680 and we have a lot of really funny things to talk about.
00:00:38.980 I usually like to salt other episodes with like polling data
00:00:41.720 or talking about other sort of strategy type things.
00:00:45.100 Today, we're basically just making fun of terrible Canadian politicians,
00:00:49.600 communications teams, as well as why I hate political consultants so much
00:00:54.900 because they are truly some of the worst people in Canadian politics.
00:00:59.220 But to start off, we're going to be talking about probably the worst MP in Parliament.
00:01:04.180 I know I've named other people as probably the worst MP,
00:01:07.660 but spiritually, we all know it's Mark Gerritsen.
00:01:11.200 I'm about to jump into the tweet he put out yesterday that everyone's making fun of.
00:01:15.920 But before that, I just want to quickly plug my website, wyattclaypool.com.
00:01:21.020 As many of you may know, I was unfairly disqualified out of the Conservative Party nomination
00:01:25.680 in Calgary Signal Hill.
00:01:27.400 I did nothing wrong.
00:01:28.460 They had no excuse to kick me out, but they did it anyways.
00:01:31.400 And I'm at least fighting back across the country by signing up people on my website
00:01:35.340 so I can give nomination recommendations to anyone, no matter what riding you live in,
00:01:39.960 both for municipal elections, provincial elections, federal elections.
00:01:44.160 We need better people all over the country, so I'm trying to expand my network around everywhere
00:01:49.000 so I can try and make sure that you and I can have sort of influence over every race that goes on in this country
00:01:55.440 so we can get better, more Conservative MPs in our Parliament. 0.76
00:01:58.720 But now, without further ado, let's get into one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a politician tweet out 0.95
00:02:05.600 in Canadian political history. 0.88
00:02:07.600 So Mark Gerritsen yesterday just tweeted this out, this ominous note that says,
00:02:12.660 See you in Ottawa, and the photo is of him holding up a custom coffee mug that I suppose that he got printed for himself,
00:02:21.380 and it says, Boo-hoo, get over it, quoting his Liberal colleague, Jennifer O'Connell.
00:02:26.760 Yes, he is trying to make this like some big populist rallying point for himself and the Liberal Party.
00:02:35.600 The worst quote ever said by a Liberal MP, probably in the last year of Canadian politics,
00:02:42.720 has now been made into some sort of rallying cry for Mark Gerritsen, 0.90
00:02:47.360 who took the dumbest quote a colleague of his has ever said, surprisingly it wasn't him, 0.98
00:02:52.060 but then he took it and turned it into the dumbest social media post we've ever seen. 0.99
00:02:57.660 Like, I want to scroll down here a little bit. 0.97
00:03:00.000 Look at the ratio that went on here.
00:03:01.820 Obviously he blocks people from commenting, so no comments,
00:03:05.300 but there are 521 retweets and only 213 likes,
00:03:12.120 yet 362,000 people have seen this post.
00:03:16.540 First, he should probably delete it.
00:03:19.700 I don't know about you, but I would see, like, if I was on Mark Gerritsen's communications team,
00:03:25.880 if I was one of his office staff members,
00:03:28.040 I would have beat him to death before letting him put out a tweet like this,
00:03:32.360 because that would be less damaging to the party. 0.91
00:03:35.120 If anything, his assistant needs to be fired,
00:03:37.720 because I guarantee the Liberal Party leadership has probably tasked his staff
00:03:42.540 with never letting him pick up a phone and tweet stuff like this.
00:03:46.380 I guess they were out to lunch,
00:03:48.060 and Mark Gerritsen had got his phone out of the locked box that they probably put it in,
00:03:52.200 and he posted this.
00:03:53.600 But it's not even that this is a terrible tweet,
00:03:56.900 because that could be the end of it. 0.96
00:03:58.300 Hey, he made a fool of himself, but he is a backbench Liberal MP. 0.97
00:04:01.980 But guess what happened right afterwards? 0.99
00:04:04.180 It's mind-boggling.
00:04:06.300 Jennifer O'Connell retweeted it.
00:04:08.980 Why?
00:04:09.980 This was what launched several news articles on how uncaring the Liberals are.
00:04:15.480 Jennifer O'Connell, you can see at the top there, she's retweeted this post.
00:04:18.760 This was such a bad post for the Liberals.
00:04:21.900 This was something that had National Post, Toronto Star, Toronto Star, like Toronto Sun,
00:04:28.540 all the papers wrote on this, of just how uncaring that quote was,
00:04:31.940 that boo-hoo, get over it, in response to investigations basically being scuttled and
00:04:37.520 shut down and committees not being able to do their work on foreign interference.
00:04:41.720 Is this really the association that they want to have with that comment?
00:04:46.500 I would have maybe kicked Jennifer O'Connell out of her nomination if I was the Liberal leadership. 1.00
00:04:53.020 Obviously, I wouldn't do that.
00:04:54.180 I don't really like the idea of kicking people out of any nomination.
00:04:57.360 It would be ironic if I was actually in favor of that, considering what happened to me.
00:05:00.980 But goodness, Mark somehow, with only saying, how many words is this?
00:05:07.420 Six words and one photo of himself, has made it so that there is another new cycle of news
00:05:14.840 out there showing how out of touch the Liberals are.
00:05:17.380 Who could guess how the Liberals fell 21 points behind the Conservatives?
00:05:22.620 It's almost like they show people that they have utter contempt for their standards of ethics.
00:05:27.960 They just think that winning is the only value and they rub it in your face every single day
00:05:33.360 that they're still in government and you can't do anything about it until the fall of 2025.
00:05:38.860 A new election cannot happen soon enough.
00:05:42.040 The rumor I always hear is that, well, one, the Liberals might want to keep the government in check
00:05:48.500 or they want to stay in power as long as possible and that they might just wait this thing out until
00:05:53.400 the very end, although they did move the election back about a week, so they're no longer giving out
00:05:59.580 pensions to people who would barely qualify for them.
00:06:02.840 That was probably a good move on their part because it looked like they were effectively
00:06:06.080 just trying to rob the piggy bank on the way out by just passing out pensions to all these MPs
00:06:10.540 who didn't deserve it by artificially extending the election date.
00:06:14.020 But what they might do is they want to hold the election this year in November.
00:06:19.040 That is actually why there's a lot of Conservative nominations taking place and Liberal nominations
00:06:23.540 taking place this summer.
00:06:25.560 Summer is actually a time of year you don't really want to do nominations.
00:06:28.820 There's a lot of fundraisers that go on in the summer and nominations can kind of distract
00:06:32.220 from them.
00:06:33.140 But the reason the Liberals want it in November is that they want the Canadian election to coincide
00:06:38.520 with the American presidential election because the Liberals have nothing but whining.
00:06:43.480 And so they at least want to be able to make as many Trump comparisons on the way out
00:06:47.240 as possible. But really, that's not going to work.
00:06:50.500 The Liberals don't have any real trust with Canadians.
00:06:54.320 So even if for some reason Canadians really hate Donald Trump, for some reason Canadians
00:06:59.540 really don't like Donald Trump.
00:07:00.600 It's really just that they consume a lot of liberal American media.
00:07:03.880 The liberal American media hates Donald Trump.
00:07:05.780 So by osmosis, Canadians don't like him either.
00:07:08.940 You know, Trump obviously has a far better track record than Joe Biden does.
00:07:13.240 But whatever. Canadians will see the Canadian election going on, the American election,
00:07:18.340 and they will for some reason feel like a strange need to vote liberal to like reject
00:07:23.480 Trump, even though it's a completely different country and we have completely different issues
00:07:27.620 going on.
00:07:28.580 And obviously, Pierre Polyev is going to be better in government than Justin Trudeau,
00:07:32.580 just like Donald Trump would be better in government than Joe Biden, because anyone
00:07:36.340 would be better than Joe Biden.
00:07:37.640 But that apparently is the liberal strategy, which, to tie it into the theme of the show,
00:07:43.660 would be an absolutely incompetent maneuver.
00:07:46.260 I know that the Liberals think that's a clever thing to do.
00:07:49.320 But if I was them, I'd hold on to the very end if I was cynical.
00:07:53.740 If I was, you know, if I was doing the ethical thing, I'd call the election as soon as possible.
00:07:58.380 And that might even be better for the Liberals in five years, where people at least remember,
00:08:02.380 at least they got out of office early, rather than just forcing us to suffer with them as
00:08:07.520 long as humanly possible.
00:08:09.500 But the November gambit would not do very well.
00:08:13.220 But now I want to jump over to the Liberals' ongoing strategy of how to get one over on
00:08:18.520 the Conservatives, undermine their support base, and bring people back into the Liberal fold.
00:08:24.360 And they have not budged an inch on their strategy.
00:08:27.360 Their strategy is still just basically proposing new spending and then saying,
00:08:31.380 ah, the Conservatives would cut it, which I don't know why that's a bad thing.
00:08:36.060 Everyone in this country knows we spend too much.
00:08:38.440 And I'm not even saying that as a colloquial type thing, like people I know think we spend
00:08:42.300 too much.
00:08:42.640 No, based on the polling, the vast majority of people, two thirds of the country thinks
00:08:46.320 we spend too much and it needs to go down.
00:08:48.620 Two thirds of the country think immigration is too high.
00:08:51.320 Two thirds of the country don't really think that the dental and pharmacare programs are
00:08:56.340 very good.
00:08:57.280 Yes, you can find anecdotal evidence that some people benefit from them.
00:09:01.380 But you don't spend billions of dollars to generate a few dozen anecdotes to then destroy
00:09:06.440 the pharmaceutical and dental care industries in this country.
00:09:10.500 But this is what the Liberals just posted today on their X account.
00:09:14.240 In just the first half of 2024, Pure Poly is Conservative voted against free prescription
00:09:19.600 contraceptives, a national school food program, building nearly 4 million new homes, protecting
00:09:25.020 renters, more $10 a day childcare spaces.
00:09:27.720 They just don't care.
00:09:29.740 Well, oh my goodness, the housing one really irks me.
00:09:33.100 Well, they're building nearly 4 million new homes.
00:09:35.520 You can't build 4 million new homes.
00:09:37.500 Leslie and Lewis absolutely mocked Sean Frazier in a committee meeting by just asking him,
00:09:42.140 how are you going to build a house every three minutes?
00:09:44.440 Because that's effectively what you would have to do in order to achieve this promise.
00:09:48.560 I think it was like every three minutes and 10 seconds, they have to have built a new
00:09:51.940 home.
00:09:52.700 And Sean Frazier basically acted like he's Tinkerbell and Leslie and Lewis is being bad
00:09:57.500 for not believing in him enough that he can build statistically impossible amounts of homes
00:10:03.320 considering all the regulatory barriers.
00:10:05.360 The fact that housing does not just spread out of the ground, like, you know, I don't
00:10:09.800 even know what really spreads out of the ground that fast, like grass, I guess, that you actually
00:10:13.280 need to take time.
00:10:14.760 There needs to be inspections based on federal and provincial standards, as well as the fact
00:10:19.280 that, again, it's an immigration issue.
00:10:21.780 Immigration obviously needs to fall. 1.00
00:10:24.120 The one thing I actually will give the Liberal government credit on is at least they started
00:10:28.040 putting caps on foreign students coming into the country.
00:10:30.500 So when in last year or the previous two years, we had like 40,000 new foreign students coming
00:10:37.740 from India into Canada in like the months of like January and February, these days it's
00:10:43.440 down to like 20,000, 12,000 because they did institute caps.
00:10:48.240 The way I will undermine this credit I'm giving them is just by noting that in India itself,
00:10:54.700 they were even saying that a lot of students were not applying to go to Canada anymore because
00:10:58.700 it became very widely known.
00:11:01.120 The schools that you're signing up for to go to in Canada, most of them are like these
00:11:04.880 scam institute schools that are not actually teaching you anything, and they're just fake
00:11:09.140 business schools set up by immigration lawyers.
00:11:12.720 So that's one of those things where like, did the Liberals do the right thing?
00:11:18.240 Sure, but they kind of did the right thing after they knew the problem was going to take
00:11:21.860 care of itself.
00:11:22.820 So they wanted the credit while also having the baked in excuse that people are also not showing
00:11:27.040 up to Canada as much these days anyways, but they're still not putting tough caps on temporary
00:11:32.060 foreign workers, and our permanent resident numbers are still going up by nearly half a
00:11:36.100 million every single year.
00:11:38.280 But anyways, I want to move on to talking about a Liberal video that I think demonstrates
00:11:43.240 that even Justin Trudeau has kind of given up in a little bit of a certain sense.
00:11:46.660 He was in this, he was in like Parliament the other day, going back and forth both Polyev,
00:11:52.600 and the man seems like sounds beat down.
00:11:56.140 Like he's given up on actually winning the next election.
00:11:58.640 Like you judge for yourself how Justin Trudeau sounds in this clip, but at least to me, it
00:12:04.900 seems like he doesn't actually really have the spirit to fight anymore, which good, he
00:12:09.160 shouldn't.
00:12:09.940 But this isn't like typical Trudeau.
00:12:12.140 It's like someone needs to give him a nicotine patch.
00:12:14.100 The Conservatives over this past session have stood in this house to stand against dental
00:12:19.120 care for seniors.
00:12:20.480 They've stood in this house to stand against expanding child care investments and spaces.
00:12:25.700 They've stood in this house to stand against the kinds of investments that are helping Canadians
00:12:30.100 with diabetes, Canadians afford birth control.
00:12:34.600 These are the choices that they are making.
00:12:36.480 Now, they're filled with slogans and bumper stickers that don't solve problems, but amplify
00:12:42.580 anger while we are focused on supporting Canadians.
00:12:46.320 Canadians can make their choice.
00:12:47.900 That was the kind of country they want to live.
00:12:49.380 Like that was just comatose.
00:12:54.560 He just has no energy left.
00:12:56.380 And probably he saw these polling numbers.
00:12:58.900 He probably saw like Angus Reid showing the Conservatives rocketing into the mid-20s while
00:13:03.940 the Liberals are literally scraping along the bottom of the barrel at 21%, only slightly
00:13:10.380 higher than the NDP.
00:13:11.400 We have to also remember in Canadian polls, I think that this Angus Reid one, what's the
00:13:16.300 plus minus?
00:13:17.640 I'm not sure if they're giving it, but usually there is a margin of error about three or four
00:13:21.720 percent.
00:13:22.660 So when in terms of the Angus Reid polls, they've been in a statistical tie with the NDP for the
00:13:29.240 last three polls that Angus Reid has conducted.
00:13:31.480 And the problem with this, and when you actually looked at this latest poll mapped out, the
00:13:36.720 NDP was winning more seats than the Liberals, because the Liberals are like the Conservatives.
00:13:40.940 The Conservatives can get votes in any riding where there's a lot of ridings where the NDP
00:13:45.960 will get five percent and other ridings where they'll get 35 percent.
00:13:50.340 So when the NDP vote is around 20 percent, they can actually win up to like 48 seats or so,
00:13:56.500 38 seats.
00:13:57.400 They'll improve on what they have now.
00:13:59.080 It's not much considering that Jagmeet Singh has put that party in a deep hole and it's
00:14:03.240 only the incompetence of Justin Trudeau that's keeping him in the game.
00:14:07.060 If the Liberal leader was slightly good at this, the NDP would be even more relevant than
00:14:11.920 ever.
00:14:12.140 They'd be scraping along 10 percent.
00:14:14.300 But Justin Trudeau is so corrupt that he makes Jagmeet Singh look good.
00:14:17.600 Although Jagmeet Singh then makes Justin Trudeau look good by joining with his government 0.84
00:14:21.140 and rubber stamping everything.
00:14:22.740 It's a nightmare.
00:14:24.080 But the Liberals, with only 21 percent, the problem is, and this is the problem actually with the
00:14:28.460 PPC, but the PPC is just a small party example of this compared to the Greens, is that the
00:14:33.540 Liberal vote, more than the NDP vote, is spread across the country.
00:14:39.720 The Conservatives are even more so than the rest of them because the Conservatives are super
00:14:43.740 spread out all over the country.
00:14:45.340 That's why they need to have big popular vote wins in order to win the most seats in the
00:14:50.980 House of Commons.
00:14:52.420 And the PPC is the same, like you can do the same comparison between the Greens and
00:14:56.300 the PPC.
00:14:57.180 The PPC can get more votes than the Greens in the 21 election, but win zero seats.
00:15:02.180 And the Greens can only get like 2.5 percent of the vote, but they win two seats because
00:15:05.940 they're super concentrated.
00:15:07.500 So that's a bit of a life lesson in politics that if you want to be, if you want to base
00:15:12.740 a party on anything, base it first on regional or very specific demographic interests and then
00:15:18.420 expand out from there.
00:15:19.560 If you're trying to be everything to everybody, it's going to be a bit of a harder party to
00:15:23.700 get off the ground unless you have a very established brand like the Conservatives or
00:15:28.120 the Liberals.
00:15:29.260 And that's also, of course, why, you know, the Bloc does very well.
00:15:31.960 They only run in Quebec's, ergo, their 8% translates to a lot of seats.
00:15:36.240 Actually, I believe they had 10% in this.
00:15:37.840 Oh yeah, wow.
00:15:38.960 That's crazy.
00:15:39.680 If you're having, you're up 2% nationally and those votes are only coming from Quebec,
00:15:43.820 that would be like a clean sweep for the Bloc outside of Montreal, effectively in Quebec
00:15:48.500 City.
00:15:49.560 But actually, I believe the Conservatives are even in second these days in Quebec, which
00:15:53.680 is easily actually based on these numbers.
00:15:56.660 But yeah, like the Conservatives are in second place in Quebec.
00:15:59.140 And there was a lot of like talk about how, well, Pierre Pauly is going to have to really
00:16:03.020 muscle up in British Columbia and Ontario and the Maritimes to make up for the fact that
00:16:07.480 the Conservatives could lose everything in Quebec.
00:16:09.360 We're like potentially going to triple the seats in Quebec.
00:16:12.080 But as long as hopefully there's not too many incompetent people in the background of the
00:16:16.960 Conservative Party, because, and maybe I'll move on to this now, never overestimate the
00:16:22.140 incompetence of political consultants.
00:16:24.500 Oh, wow.
00:16:25.340 Political consultants.
00:16:26.540 The worst people in Canadian politics.
00:16:28.340 As much as you and I hate Justin Trudeau, at least he can say one thing for himself, that
00:16:33.440 he isn't a political consultant and a lobbyist.
00:16:36.520 Because political consultants, their job in Canadian politics, half satirical I'm being,
00:16:41.880 is to lose elections.
00:16:43.740 I hate the way consultants run parties. 1.00
00:16:47.100 The way that they run campaigns is horrible.
00:16:49.240 There are so many campaign managers across Canada.
00:16:52.520 I've worked with some of them.
00:16:54.080 I've been around some of them in these races, seen how they operate, and I've never been
00:16:58.480 impressed.
00:16:59.180 There's a few people who run strategy firms that I actually think do a good job, but
00:17:03.340 it's the vast minority of people who are actually good at their jobs.
00:17:07.420 The people who are running, and I don't want to name names to not get too personal.
00:17:10.480 The people who are running the UCP campaign in 2023 were utterly incompetent.
00:17:17.100 They did not win the 2023 provincial election for the UCP.
00:17:20.900 They just, Rachel Notley and the NDP just failed to win.
00:17:24.500 They went in so hard on Daniel Smith that Daniel Smith did a decent job in the debate, 0.90
00:17:29.320 and because the NDP had basically been portraying her as an incompetent, crazy person, she looked 0.67
00:17:34.020 fantastic going out of that debate. 0.64
00:17:35.900 And then Notley, because she assumed that she was going to win, which she probably was
00:17:39.940 going to win, a week before the election was to be held, and now it's a 33% corporate
00:17:47.060 tax hike, and then she effectively only lost the election by 1,800 votes spread across the 1.00
00:17:53.380 ridings that she needed in Calgary.
00:17:55.620 That is absolutely wild.
00:17:57.740 So no, the UCP did not put out a smart campaign.
00:18:01.620 I was, I doorknocked with a lot of people.
00:18:03.420 And these MLAs, who could have been more charismatic than they had been acting, were effectively
00:18:09.320 told by HQ, just ID people.
00:18:12.020 Just knock on the door, say, hey, I'm X person, and I'm running in your area for re-election,
00:18:17.200 or I'm running to, you know, be your MLA.
00:18:19.240 Are you going to vote for us or the other guys?
00:18:21.300 Oh, okay.
00:18:22.080 And then they walk away no matter what the answer was.
00:18:24.160 It was horrifying to witness.
00:18:25.980 Like, I'm not the most charismatic man on the planet.
00:18:28.520 I'm weird, I'm a little bit, like, I'm a bit eccentric, I guess you could say.
00:18:33.080 But I actually talk to people at the doors, and people in politics have to realize, to
00:18:37.520 win votes, you have to talk to people one-on-one.
00:18:41.000 And I have a great example of how a party has risk-managed itself to death, and that is
00:18:46.300 the Manitoba PC Party.
00:18:48.660 You thought I was going to say the BC United Party, but I've already talked about them,
00:18:51.780 and maybe I'll mention them a little bit later here.
00:18:53.520 But they just lost the by-election in the provincial riding of Tuxedo that Heather Stevenson used
00:19:01.720 to be the representative of.
00:19:03.160 The former premier and, like, and PC Party leader, Heather Stevenson, stepped down from
00:19:09.080 this riding, and their new replacement candidate, in this riding that has been conservative since
00:19:14.560 it was first created in 1981, they lost to the NDP because the PC Party in Manitoba stands
00:19:21.380 for nothing.
00:19:21.840 Like, I'll admit, I don't follow PC, like, Ontario, Manitoba provincial politics all that
00:19:28.780 closely.
00:19:29.320 Like, no offense to Manitobans, I don't live there, it's not a big province, and no big
00:19:33.760 political movements have been generated out of Manitoba for a while.
00:19:36.820 Like, Wob Canoe is kind of, like, the most exciting thing that's happened in Manitoba for
00:19:40.580 a long time.
00:19:41.560 I don't like Wob Canoe, but you could say that he has some good populist skills that
00:19:45.980 are admirable to watch, even though I don't like the policies that he wants to pass, although
00:19:50.480 he does want to get through the federal carbon tax, so there's a plus for him.
00:19:53.760 But the Manitoba PC Party ran a horrible campaign.
00:19:58.600 They ran on nothing.
00:19:59.880 They were fiscal liberals, effectively.
00:20:02.040 The people were trying to claim, well, they lost the provincial election because their
00:20:05.460 hard stance is in favor of parental rights.
00:20:07.780 No, that's how they recovered a lot of seats that they were going to lose.
00:20:12.120 By taking some socially conservative stances, they actually were able to fight back a little
00:20:16.600 bit in the polls and make it not a complete route for them, and it was even semi-competitive
00:20:22.840 towards the end, although it was a clear victory for the NDP at the end.
00:20:27.140 And the way that you get a stronghold riding like Tuxedo going to the NDP in Manitoba is that
00:20:33.980 you believe that the word controversial is the word that you must avoid at all costs.
00:20:39.540 Do you know why Pierre Polyev is a very good politician?
00:20:43.780 Because he knows how to be controversial in a strategic manner.
00:20:47.440 Yeah, you don't go out in the streets and you swear and you act like a boor and you create
00:20:51.180 controversy by just merely offending people in a raw sense.
00:20:55.560 But if you're controversial, that usually means that you're taking stances, strong stances
00:21:00.260 on issues that people vote on. Controversial issues are the ones that get people voting
00:21:05.500 at the polls. In Manitoba, even some issues that really didn't have big policy implications
00:21:11.020 were what people voted based on. It was the landfill issue with the missing and merged
00:21:16.480 indigenous women where they were trying to find the bodies of two murdered women or one 0.98
00:21:20.720 murdered woman. And because the PC government had backed off, we don't want to pursue it,
00:21:24.680 that ended up being a big hit against them that they seemed uncompassionate.
00:21:28.200 And it was a good wedge issue for Wab Kanu and the NDP.
00:21:32.080 I think, and I'm not trying to undermine the seriousness of that situation. Obviously,
00:21:36.180 that wasn't a big policy issue. And I don't really think that's why the PCs lost.
00:21:40.240 I think that their decision to just say, yeah, we're just not going to look into that
00:21:44.300 was kind of indicative of why they were already losing. The problem with that government is that
00:21:49.480 basically they weren't getting control of the fiscal situation in the province.
00:21:53.600 They weren't particularly that conservative on economic issues. They really weren't that
00:21:58.060 conservative on fiscal issues. They basically only did this knee-jerk pro-parental rights move at the
00:22:03.040 end, which even to real social conservatives, it kind of seemed a bit phony. So I could see still a
00:22:07.620 lot of people not being swayed over by that. But it was a government that you couldn't say anything
00:22:11.360 about. And I know there's probably going to be somebody that's going to bump into me today and say,
00:22:16.020 you did the PC party in Manitoba dirty by not mentioning how great their platform was. Oh,
00:22:21.980 goodness. Platforms? I'm not, if I have to, if you're going to tell me like, no, no, if you get
00:22:27.520 to page 15 on their platform, there's some good stuff in there. No. If I don't even know through
00:22:33.820 just pure osmosis as having focused on the political situation in Canada enough that the
00:22:38.660 Manitoba PC party had an innovative, great new platform, then it wasn't a good platform. If I need
00:22:44.080 to go and read it like it's a novel to really get the substance out of it, you failed to put together
00:22:50.120 a good party with a clear vision. You need to take stances on issues that are controversial.
00:22:55.640 Know who's actually doing a great job of this? Blaine Higgs in New Brunswick. He's probably right
00:23:00.820 now in Canada, maybe one of two real fiscally conservative premiers. The man is actually getting
00:23:08.820 a hold of the Manitoba budget. The provincial government budget in Manitoba hasn't been
00:23:14.060 balanced in probably a millennia. And he's actually has it balanced with a surplus with
00:23:19.820 the promise that in the near future, they're going to be able to cut taxes. That's unheard of
00:23:23.980 in Canadian politics. And although people pull up polls saying, you know, he's the most disliked
00:23:29.300 premier in Canada. Okay. Yeah. He doesn't do a lot of handout tactics in order to make himself
00:23:34.020 liked, but the 34%, around 35% of New Brunswickers who like him, really like him because they know
00:23:41.520 what he's doing. He's basically the Ralph Klein of New Brunswick. He's frankly the only Ralph Klein
00:23:46.840 that currently exists in Canada, a guy who takes hard stances and fights for them. He was the maverick
00:23:52.540 who jumped on the parental rights movement early, and he's fought for it tooth and nail and proved
00:23:57.460 that he's a strong ally. And so the people who liked him on those issues are going to show up and
00:24:01.640 vote for him. Mark my words, he'll probably be able to win this New Brunswick election. And if he
00:24:06.580 doesn't win, don't come at me because I didn't say that. No, but like legitimately, I think he
00:24:10.440 should win. That's a guy who understands how politics works. I think he's also following his
00:24:15.640 morals. He's taking stances he truly believes in, but that's also the, that's also what being a
00:24:21.500 properly controversial candidate is. It's a man fighting for what he thinks is right. Other
00:24:25.660 people disagree with them, but he's not going to be deterred. That's what made Pierre Polly have very
00:24:30.020 good on the federal level. He believes in doing, you know, I want to cut the carbon tax, defund the CBC,
00:24:35.060 get rid of central bank, digital currency, all this stuff. And you weren't going to make him
00:24:39.120 waver. When the media came after Polly have and said, you're controversial. You said this and that, 0.99
00:24:43.820 or some people say this at you by holding his ground and going back at them. He gained supporters,
00:24:48.620 the PC party in Manitoba and a lot of other parties across the country. And it sometimes even still
00:24:54.320 happens in the federal party. Like in my nomination in signal Hill, you have people who, who like,
00:24:59.920 they think that the, the ideal in politics is not ruffling any feathers ever because ruffling feathers,
00:25:05.880 that sounds bad. Like, no, you actually need to win over new voters by taking territory. If we're
00:25:12.680 thinking about politics, like a military campaign or like a war that's going on, not that we should
00:25:17.860 like think of politics as war. I think that's a bit aggressive, but it's just for this, this
00:25:22.160 illustration, it's key. So many of these consultants lose elections because they engage in what I call
00:25:28.420 blockhouse warfare. Here's our territory or at the very, at the start of the campaign,
00:25:33.180 we do one offensive and we grab the territory. We own more than half the territory in terms of like,
00:25:38.240 let's just pretend that means being ahead in the polls. And we set up blockhouses along the entire,
00:25:43.280 the entire like border of our territory. And we just defend. The problem with being purely defensive
00:25:49.720 is the best you can do in a day is not lose ground. The worst you can do is lose everything.
00:25:54.940 In a real competent campaign, what you need to be doing is defending, attacking, finding out where
00:26:01.080 your opponent's vulnerable, drilling on those issues, connecting with voters, and really talking
00:26:06.380 to people. When you're only thinking about risk management, you can't talk to a voter in a real
00:26:11.220 way where they can detect that you care because you're too scared of saying something that's going
00:26:15.860 to make them not like you. You have to risk not being liked in order to get somebody to truly like
00:26:21.320 you. You don't like your friends because they're guarded and don't want to talk about anything
00:26:25.960 and only sort of want to discuss the weather and golf. You know, you like your friends because you
00:26:30.600 can be open. And that's where you kind of have to think of how to do politics. You got to go to a
00:26:35.640 door. I did over 6,000 doors in my riding. You got to approach a door and think of that person as a
00:26:41.380 potential friend because they could be. And you have to talk to them like they're a friend and you
00:26:45.080 don't guard yourself around friends. You just talk. That's what I would do. I'd sometimes be at
00:26:49.480 someone's door from anywhere from five minutes to an over an hour because I wasn't going to leave
00:26:54.580 until they truly believe that I actually did care about what I was talking about. I'm not doing a
00:26:58.760 drive-by where I'm just basically pressuring you to renew a membership and then run away. That's
00:27:02.900 pathetic. Who cares? I door knocked on it. I door knocked every door I came across where other 1.00
00:27:07.540 candidates in my riding basically just targeted old party lists and renewed old people without
00:27:12.900 actually really demonstrating why they were good MP. Just basically pretended like, oh, we're from the
00:27:17.660 party and you should renew your membership. And assuming that because they renewed them that
00:27:21.300 they'd have some loyalty to them, frankly, that's why one of the candidates pushed to get me out of
00:27:25.700 the race because I was stealing all the support because he's a terrible candidate. I'll just name
00:27:29.740 him right now because why be guarded about it? It's Jeremy Nixon. So if you live in the riding of
00:27:34.220 Calgary Signal Hill, please vote Michael Kim number one on your ballot and all the other candidates just
00:27:39.060 don't vote for Jeremy Nixon anywhere on your ballot. But, you know, this is just one of those
00:27:44.820 things that I've wanted to do a bit of a rant on before, but consultants are the worst. Political
00:27:49.780 insiders who are unelected, but they control party policy, they're overly controlling about candidate
00:27:55.920 behavior because they think being inoffensive is the same thing as being liked. It's not British 1.00
00:28:03.260 Columbia United, the BC United Party proved being inoffensive doesn't get you anywhere. It just gets
00:28:08.520 you 11% of the vote because you become the candidate for nobody. And everyone wants either
00:28:14.320 people want a strong, somebody who believes in something to the nth degree that if you're a,
00:28:20.240 you know, you're, if you're an NDP, they want a strong NDP. If you're a conservative,
00:28:24.040 they want a strong conservative. Nobody, it's not 2006 anymore. People aren't looking for the wishy
00:28:30.180 washy PC party guy. Who's, you know, a tall man with a chiseled jaw and broad shoulders. And doesn't
00:28:35.680 he seem professional. People want you to take strong stances on the policy, not just seem like
00:28:40.280 a strong dude. Like, you know, he has strength of character. Well, what does he believe on the
00:28:44.340 issues? I don't know. That, that, the thing is that after O'Toole betrayed the conservative party
00:28:49.080 base, I could see it coming from a mile away, me and Daniel Boardman and some of the other people
00:28:53.320 at the National Telegraph. But when, when he, when people were betrayed by Aaron O'Toole,
00:28:57.960 that's when people started asking questions about people's policy. Okay. What would you do on this
00:29:02.440 issue? What would you do on that issue? Because when, when Aaron O'Toole wasn't investigated enough,
00:29:07.140 gave him enough room to flip on everybody later. But yeah. So, well, that's not it for me today,
00:29:13.720 quite yet. I do want to talk a little bit about foreign interference in Canada and just where I
00:29:18.680 think that this story is going, if it's going to affect the next election. But before I do that,
00:29:23.260 I do want to quickly plug, if you really appreciate this show, if you like this show,
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00:29:42.140 that I've been incurring. We have a Chinese billionaire developer suing us for, I think
00:29:47.320 he's suing me for like $900,000. I don't even care because I'm going to win this case in the long
00:29:51.620 run. He's suing us for defamation and he hasn't even filed any pieces of evidence to prove that we
00:29:57.040 defamed him. We had a guest writer write an article about how he and other Chinese billionaires
00:30:01.820 were funding, or millionaires, were funding Aaron O'Toole's 2020 campaign. And when we said
00:30:07.280 something about him, our guest writer merely hyperlinks to a long investigative article about
00:30:11.340 him at the Globe and Mail. We pretty much said literally nothing new about him other than his
00:30:16.320 O'Toole donations. And that was enough to sue us. Obviously, he was just assuming that I,
00:30:21.740 at the age of 22 at the time, would have been very weak and just caved to him and said,
00:30:26.440 I'll apologize to you. I'll do whatever you want. And when we didn't do that, he's basically started
00:30:30.960 running away from us in the case because, you know, he wasn't expecting the case to go on this
00:30:35.680 long. He assumed that he was going to file something in it against me. I was going to give
00:30:39.000 him a sad apology and he was going to be able to go waving around that apology and pretending he's a
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00:30:47.920 description below. But now let's talk about foreign interference. And first, I want to play
00:30:53.000 this clip from, oddly enough, my favorite opera, The Mikado, when it was recorded by the CBC
00:30:58.840 in 1986, because I think that this does a really good explanation of what liberal party MPs are like
00:31:05.360 these days. But I don't just stop at that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I go and dine with middle
00:31:10.920 class people on reasonable terms. I dance at cheap suburban parties for a moderate fee.
00:31:16.520 I accept refreshments from any hand, however lowly. I also retail state secrets for a very low figure.
00:31:25.280 Sorry, I like that clip. It's actually fully available on YouTube. If you just look up the
00:31:30.020 Mikado CBC, easily the best recording of the entire thing. Actually, that guy, if you if you
00:31:35.560 know him, he's actually from Day After Tomorrow, that movie. He's done a lot of stuff. I think he died
00:31:40.740 of like throat cancer or some sort of cancer in like the early 2010s. Really good guy. Sorry, I secretly
00:31:47.140 like opera. And now you all know. But so the thing with the foreign interference in Canada is this case
00:31:55.000 is very weird. Most scandals that we've had before, I kind of know how it's going to break against one
00:32:01.560 party or the other. I'm not sure if this foreign interference thing is going to break by the next 0.97
00:32:06.900 election. I'm not sure how much this even hurts the liberals, oddly enough, simply because it's
00:32:13.360 reporting a lot of the things that Canadians already know about the liberals. Plus, there frankly is a
00:32:19.820 strong probability there is one or two conservative MPs also in like, dealing like with some sort of
00:32:26.260 foreign interference connection. It's not because conservatives are bad. It's because in the two main
00:32:31.300 parties, and it's not even because liberals are bad. They are, but it's not because of that. But foreign
00:32:35.780 interference is always going to happen in the most major parties. This is why Jagmeet Singh and Elizabeth
00:32:40.580 May are running around acting holier than thou, because nobody's going to infiltrate the Green Party or like
00:32:45.900 the NDP. They're useless. They don't have any power. But in large parties like the conservatives 1.00
00:32:50.960 and the liberals, if you have unscrupulous people potentially winning nominations and then becoming
00:32:56.480 MPs who don't really have any shame about, you know, basically being traitors to the country,
00:33:02.680 you have the potential to have a lot of these people willing to work with foreign governments
00:33:07.880 because they're two major parties with a lot of power. So there's a lot of offers coming in for them.
00:33:11.980 And then one or two unscrupulous people start working with a foreign power, you have a problem.
00:33:17.160 Now, the liberals, like they know exactly who in their caucus is engaging in foreign interference.
00:33:23.620 They probably knew before the NISACOP committee had even been like, had even been held.
00:33:28.560 They easily, it's like Maja Jahari, hand-dong, we know at least two of them. Probably Ikra Khalid,
00:33:34.720 if I'm saying that name right, she's like, she's literally appeared at rallies where there was like
00:33:39.720 banners behind her saying that Kashmir will be Pakistan or something like that. She's just
00:33:45.860 obviously extremely pro-Pakistani government to the point where she like will attend rallies or events 0.97
00:33:52.980 where they're openly stumping against the sovereignty of the country of India.
00:33:56.800 There's a lot of nutters in the liberal party. But does this come up before the next election?
00:34:01.740 I don't know. The liberals are using a lot of tactics in order to tie up the ability 0.59
00:34:05.500 for someone like Pierre Polyev, even if he saw the NISACOP report, to even talk about it.
00:34:10.240 And if he did talk about it, there could potentially be like legal ramifications,
00:34:14.020 maybe even including jail, because it would be considered some form of soft treason
00:34:19.740 to have exposed this top secret information, even though it shouldn't be secret and Canadians
00:34:24.640 should know if there are like legitimate real dual loyalties with our MPs in our parties.
00:34:31.520 And so also, again, the problem too is that if there's a single conservative in that bunch,
00:34:38.300 the problem we have then is that the media will cast this as a 50-50 event. There could be 25
00:34:44.920 liberals implicated and one backbench conservative that nobody likes. And the media will still make
00:34:50.880 this a, well, they both did it. So what does this say about Canada's political system when obviously
00:34:58.040 it says a lot more about the liberals than it says about some flunky backbencher conservative MP,
00:35:03.560 probably not in the shadow cabinet. So this is where I'm not sure even if the conservatives want
00:35:08.680 this information out, because it would have to be 100% bad for the liberals for it to even benefit
00:35:14.280 the conservatives, where if there's any even inkling that is bad for the conservatives, it could be a big
00:35:20.040 issue. And the one thing I've heard, there might actually be zero conservative MPs named in it.
00:35:24.680 But the one thing I had heard was that they were going to bring up the idea that like the Indian
00:35:29.320 government had interfered in the 22 conservative leadership race to benefit pure Polyev against
00:35:34.760 Patrick Brown, in which I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't care. I don't like foreign 1.00
00:35:40.760 interference. If the Indian government did that, I hope that we would have, we'd sanction them if 1.00
00:35:44.860 they're trying to rig elections or they're trying to sell memberships on behalf of a political
00:35:49.040 candidate. That's bad. Also, Polyev was going to easily win that nomination, that leadership
00:35:54.000 anyways. And Patrick Brown himself was cheating. And Patrick Brown himself aligns himself with open
00:36:01.120 pro terror organizations, Kalistani groups, Muslim Brotherhood groups, you know, Tamil Tigers, he tends 0.99
00:36:07.280 to be with some of the most militant, like, some like very zealous, Islamist and kind of like Sikh 0.97
00:36:14.720 separatist types. I don't doubt that he'd work with the IRA if he could. And so this is one of those
00:36:19.880 stories where if the media comes out and they act like now the conservative party leadership campaign 1.00
00:36:25.480 is illegitimate, that would be stupid. Because we can see the memberships that were sold by Polyev, 0.94
00:36:31.220 it was like 360,000. I don't think that the Indian government was doing that. If they did anything,
00:36:38.340 it's, you know, shame on them, sanction them. But at the same time, it wouldn't amount to a hill of
00:36:43.880 beans. Well, so it's one of those issues where is it an issue? Or is it just like a fake issue? Like,
00:36:50.240 even if it happened, did it really happen? Because it was rigging against a guy who's openly
00:36:55.560 like caters to anti India organizations, who himself was cheating in that race. And then we're going to 0.75
00:37:03.280 say that the leadership race was potentially negatively affected by a government going after the
00:37:09.700 anti India guy, even though he's it's a it's a big mess. And I don't think that there's really 1.00
00:37:14.720 an easy way of going through that. This is where I could see this not being a scandal that the
00:37:20.580 conservatives want to pursue. Because even if something as that stupid came out, the media 1.00
00:37:25.160 would pretend while they're equally guilty to the liberals, even if the liberals are literally just 1.00
00:37:29.020 selling out the government to the tune of billions of dollars to foreign governments and
00:37:33.480 signing secret deals or whatever. But that's just what Canadian politics is like. Everyone's
00:37:39.000 incompetent, especially Mark Gerritsen. But that should be it for me today on the Wyatt Claypool
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