The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - November 08, 2024


Canadian media is manipulating Canadians to embrace censorship

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criminalizing residential school denial
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Donald Trump Bill C-63 Andrew Weichel Leah Gazan Garnett Genui Eisenhower Hamas Gifts
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The legacy media in Canada is back at it again, trying to manipulate Canadians into embracing far-left policy through extremely dishonest coverage. You're probably already well aware of the crazy censorship bill that NDP MP Leah Gazzan has put forward, Bill C-413, that would criminalize residential school denialism as if anything like that ever existed.

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00:00:00.000 Well, it appears like the legacy media in Canada is back at it again, trying to manipulate Canadians into embracing far-left policy through extremely dishonest coverage.
00:00:12.020 You're probably already very well aware of the crazy censorship bill that NDP MP Leah Gazzan has put forward, I believe it's Bill C-413, that would criminalize residential school denialism as if anything like that ever existed.
00:00:28.500 You'll, every once in a while, bump into a truly crazy person who thinks that residential schools were not cruel and inhumane and that they were only fantastic, but that's not a common type of person in this country, nor does anyone respect people with those type of opinions.
00:00:44.700 Leah Gazzan is trying to criminalize such things as saying there are not bodies under the Kamloops residential school of Indigenous children, and isn't that a good thing, that Canadian history is not nearly as cruel as those on the far left would like to portray it as?
00:00:59.700 There was obviously a lot of dark chapters, a lot of bad things were done, but we shouldn't be exaggerating things and then criminalizing people who disagree with the exaggerations.
00:01:09.720 But this isn't really about Leah Gazzan, although I want to start out with a post on her own X account that really proves what kind of mindset she is in as a person.
00:01:22.660 One, you do get the pronouns in her name, and she doesn't even have her real name as her name on X.
00:01:28.840 But this was after Donald Trump was made the president-elect of the U.S. again.
00:01:34.460 She put out this graphic statement saying,
00:01:37.120 It's a dark day for your human rights in the U.S. and globally for women, 2SLGBTQAI plus Indigenous people, workers, the poor, migrants and immigrants, people marginalized by systems and the climate. 0.99
00:01:50.820 Grieve but don't despair. Connect and mobilize together. We push back against hate and extremism.
00:01:56.580 Yeah, she's a little bit crazy. She is a little bit radical. 1.00
00:02:01.400 I don't think she left out a single group of people in that post other than maybe white men that she thinks that Donald Trump is, like, against,
00:02:10.360 even though Donald Trump won a record amount of minority voters for a Republican presidential candidate.
00:02:17.080 It's been since, like, Eisenhower that the Republicans have had this many black voters. It's crazy.
00:02:22.560 Anyways, but this is a poll that came out from Research Co. the other day, just a couple of days ago,
00:02:29.840 that I think highlights just how bad the polling industry is at asking questions.
00:02:36.060 And I think in this case it was intentionally done so.
00:02:39.220 The legacy media is using this terrible Research Co. poll question in order to advocate that actually Canadians are cool with censorship.
00:02:47.380 They are not. Canadians do not like censorship.
00:02:51.240 Just because you ask them a scuffed question does not mean suddenly people actually want their neighbors arrested
00:02:57.320 because they have pretty mainstream opinions on things like residential schools.
00:03:03.120 The funny thing, too, is that Bill C413 is coming from Leah Gazzan, who is openly just basically pro-Hamas. 0.60
00:03:11.520 She is somebody who doesn't care about churches being burned down all across Canada.
00:03:16.160 In fact, when Conservative MP Garnett Genui had confronted her on this matter that she seems to not care at all
00:03:23.420 and basically dismissed the issue of churches being burned down everywhere
00:03:26.720 because she didn't know the race of the people doing it or who was doing it or what their motives were,
00:03:31.640 as if there were good motives to burning down churches, especially churches on Indigenous land,
00:03:37.140 somehow it would be cool in her mind, which she's implying,
00:03:40.740 for an Indigenous person to burn down another Indigenous person's church 0.99
00:03:44.960 because most of these were churches mostly attended by Indigenous people.
00:03:49.400 But here's the question that came out from Research Co. that I think is extremely dishonest.
00:03:54.900 Maybe they did this in good faith.
00:03:56.400 I kind of doubt it because this entire poll question is meant to make you say yes.
00:04:01.540 I'll read it here for you.
00:04:02.660 So here's the question.
00:04:05.220 Quote, would you want your MP to favor or oppose a bill in the House
00:04:13.240 that would make it a criminal offense to willfully promote hatred against Indigenous people
00:04:18.540 by condoning, denying, justifying, or minimizing the facts about residential schools?
00:04:25.220 It says, in favor, 50%, oppose, 24%, unsure, 17%.
00:04:30.860 This is a dishonest question.
00:04:33.420 And a lot of people detected that it was a dishonest question
00:04:35.820 because in polling Canada, they're not doing anything wrong.
00:04:39.180 They just post poll results.
00:04:41.140 A lot of people agreed with me because when I just simply left reply
00:04:44.120 saying this is such a poorly worded question,
00:04:46.980 I got 395 people liking that reply,
00:04:50.780 and only 267 people liked the original post.
00:04:53.920 Again, the original post is not in favor or against this poll question.
00:04:57.360 They're simply posting it.
00:04:58.620 But the fact that so many people travel down into the replies
00:05:01.720 to see if anyone else was seeing how poor this question was
00:05:05.040 really says something.
00:05:06.900 This question implies that basically if you don't oppose it
00:05:11.320 or if you aren't in favor of this, then you must condone hatred.
00:05:15.380 And this is not saying it should be a criminal offense
00:05:17.760 to do something nasty to an Indigenous person to attack them.
00:05:22.200 Obviously, those are already offenses.
00:05:23.920 It's saying to condone or minimize or deny or to minimize facts
00:05:28.460 about residential schools is a crazy thing to criminalize.
00:05:31.880 You shouldn't be criminalizing speech in general.
00:05:33.760 You should be able to say whatever nasty thing you want 0.99
00:05:36.260 as long as you're not directly inciting violence.
00:05:39.540 But to minimize would mean effectively to just disagree
00:05:42.960 with somebody who convinces themselves that they are an expert
00:05:47.340 on residential school history.
00:05:49.060 And when I say convinces themselves, because there are so many experts
00:05:51.920 who are mad that anyone points out that, yeah, there's probably not a lot of bodies
00:05:55.860 underneath the Kamloops school of Indigenous kids covertly, I guess, killed and then buried.
00:06:01.340 That just didn't happen.
00:06:02.740 I'm sorry it didn't happen.
00:06:03.980 I don't know why these people want it to have happened, but it didn't happen.
00:06:07.600 And they want to criminalize that.
00:06:09.040 But here's the media coverage that the CTV News is putting out. 1.00
00:06:14.180 It's stupid. 1.00
00:06:15.480 It's just dumb. 1.00
00:06:16.880 This is just ridiculous coverage. 1.00
00:06:18.900 It says, most Canadians support criminalizing 0.64
00:06:20.740 residential school denialism poll fines.
00:06:23.460 And Andrew Weichel here just basically says that, well, look,
00:06:29.100 the research co-poll conducted last month after NDP MP Leah Gazzin introduced
00:06:34.600 a private member's bill seeking to criminalize public denial
00:06:37.960 of Canada's residential school system would forcibly separate Indigenous children
00:06:41.500 from their families and culture, leading to widely documented physical,
00:06:45.360 psychological and sexual abuse.
00:06:47.180 Asked how they would like their MP to vote on Bill,
00:06:49.280 57% of surveyed respondents said they would definitely or probably
00:06:54.480 want their local representative to back their proposal.
00:06:57.620 It's because they don't know what the actual bill is proposing.
00:07:01.780 It's because the question is worked in such a way that you're a bad person
00:07:05.200 if you oppose it.
00:07:06.980 You're not.
00:07:08.180 In fact, you would be opposing censorship.
00:07:10.540 If someone actually has a nasty, horrible opinion,
00:07:14.220 disagree with that person. 0.92
00:07:15.860 Shame that person. 0.98
00:07:16.760 If someone denies the Holocaust, shame that person. 1.00
00:07:20.160 That's ridiculous. 1.00
00:07:21.080 It's stupid. 1.00
00:07:21.840 It's counterfactual. 1.00
00:07:23.100 If someone says that residential schools didn't happen or it was happy fun times 1.00
00:07:27.080 and it wasn't a cruel system that was unjust, shame them.
00:07:31.000 Because that's obviously not true.
00:07:32.980 But this would criminalize literally stories on the record in Parliament
00:07:37.420 where Indigenous people said, yeah, the residential school I went to
00:07:40.620 was actually not that bad and was fine.
00:07:42.200 Because obviously there's going to be stories like that.
00:07:44.440 But that's stuff that would actually criminalize.
00:07:47.380 An Indigenous person who had obviously a not normal experience at a residential school
00:07:52.620 and thought it was fine or it was a good time or whatever,
00:07:55.360 that would be criminalized.
00:07:56.620 Because it doesn't go along with the predominant narrative.
00:08:00.200 And guess what?
00:08:01.300 History is very complicated.
00:08:03.100 There are going to be eras that horrible things happen
00:08:05.620 and that some people for some reason had a good experience out of.
00:08:08.440 Maybe it was because they went to a residential school run not by psychopaths.
00:08:12.500 Or maybe it was just because of just some strange time in their lives.
00:08:15.980 And for some reason, this was better than whatever they had at home.
00:08:19.000 But the idea that we now are going to criminalize people just having a nuanced take on history 0.93
00:08:25.360 is ridiculous.
00:08:27.100 Again, Leah Gazin would be the type of person who would want to whitewash what Hamas did 1.00
00:08:32.500 on October 7th in Israel by murdering Jewish people and foreign workers in the Israeli territories.
00:08:39.300 She's that type of person who now wants to criminalize what you say about residential schools 1.00
00:08:43.680 when nobody in Canada, to any significant degree, is arguing that residential schools are good.
00:08:50.060 But she's a good person because she's proposing this.
00:08:52.520 But it also lets her get across the finish line if this thing gets approved of. 0.99
00:08:56.860 It allows her to normalize censoring opinions she doesn't like because this is what it's all about.
00:09:02.980 And that is what the media is doing. 0.98
00:09:05.280 This article knows this guy is not dumb. 0.98
00:09:09.400 I don't think Andrew Weichel here is dumb. 0.97
00:09:12.500 I think he knows what he's doing. 0.95
00:09:14.100 I think he knows how scuffed the question is.
00:09:16.080 And he didn't ask any questions.
00:09:18.240 And this has been the media all over the place on this issue.
00:09:20.880 Here is another headline from someone else.
00:09:23.480 Residential survivors call on Canada to criminalize residential school denialism.
00:09:30.860 Who cares?
00:09:32.160 This is propaganda.
00:09:33.780 Does their opinion mean that censorship is good now?
00:09:37.380 No, it does not.
00:09:38.340 There's no pushback.
00:09:39.640 And they actually, there's no pushback in this entire article that this is a civil liberties violation.
00:09:45.000 But this person is a survivor.
00:09:46.520 So you must, you must agree with them.
00:09:48.420 This is exactly the kind of me too stuff that we had happen in like 2019 and 2020, where suddenly every survivor now must be believed in terms of not just their story, but their opinions.
00:10:01.500 I probably believe their stories that they had awful times at residential schools because the system was generally pretty cruel.
00:10:06.820 But the idea I now have to agree with all their prescriptions is patently absurd.
00:10:12.180 In fact, the way that the media even frames this is frankly racist.
00:10:16.080 The idea that I'm now supposed to agree with someone because they're indigenous. 0.87
00:10:19.960 That is the battle that Leah Gazzan has basically tried to pitch. 1.00
00:10:23.880 That this is indigenous people versus racist white people because they don't agree fully with them.
00:10:29.320 Even though indigenous people themselves, most of them, do not agree with these people pushing censorship bills.
00:10:34.900 But, you know, this is what the, this is the media game that they're trying to play right now.
00:10:41.560 Anyways, that should be it for me today, guys.
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