The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Canadian Pollster Pushes Disinformation About Disinformation

00:00:00.000 I'm starting to remember why I don't like ECOS polling very much. Even though a lot of the new

00:00:04.460 polls are showing the Conservative Party way ahead of the Liberals, I don't really care about the

00:00:08.780 Conservatives being ahead in the polls. I just want high quality polls. So a lot of their new

00:00:12.720 polls are showing the Conservatives up either 19 or 20 points on the Liberals. The one that they

00:00:17.260 released last night shows them up 19 points on the Liberals, 42% for the Conservatives to

00:00:22.320 only 23% for the Liberals and the NDP just holding out what they had in 2021. That's interesting,

00:00:28.980 I guess. But I don't actually believe that that's actually where the Conservative Party is at right

00:00:33.320 now. I think they're probably more like that typical 8 to 14% lead that we've seen in other

00:00:39.520 polls. 19 and 20 seems a little hyperbolic these days. I know there's always someone in the comments

00:00:43.500 saying the Liberals should be way lower. I can't believe they even have 23%. I understand the

00:00:48.660 Liberals are awful. We have to realize there's a lot of people out there who do not pay attention 0.58

00:00:52.120 and they just default to voting for what they voted since the 70s. It's just how it works in a lot of

00:00:57.140 people. But the reason I do not trust this ECOS poll in particular, not just because I think their

00:01:02.080 lead for the Conservatives seems a little bit outside of what most other polls are showing,

00:01:06.980 but it's this little piece of disinformation that they seeded right in the middle of their poll.

00:01:13.660 And so it's basically disinformation about disinformation. So Frank Graves, who runs ECOS

00:01:19.040 polling, posted this on Twitter, showed that by voting intention, Conservatives are the most

00:01:23.880 susceptible to disinformation. It's a completely ridiculous poll question. It says, if a federal 0.95

00:01:29.060 election were held tomorrow, which party would you vote for? And then he ranks the results by a level

00:01:34.960 of disinformation. So of course, no disinformation. That's where the Liberals and the NDP do really

00:01:40.340 well. And as soon as you get to the high of disinformation, the 7 to 12 points, it's 84% Conservatives

00:01:46.260 and 11% PPC. Those are all of the people who believe in disinformation. And obviously, I think what this

00:01:51.660 poll question is trying to do is even if they're showing the Conservatives ahead in the polls

00:01:55.320 generally, it's a little bit of a gift for the media to be able to report on how, well, the

00:01:59.780 Conservative Party, by the polling data, is the party of disinformation and misinformation.

00:02:05.220 The pure poly is deeply dangerous and he's a conspiracy theorist. Look, his own voters believe

00:02:10.980 in disinformation and conspiracy theories. It's completely ridiculous. And when you read the 0.97

00:02:15.740 methodology behind this question, you realize it's a fabrication. It's trying to bait

00:02:20.760 conservatives into saying things that the media can then label as disinformation, even though

00:02:27.580 that's not really what disinformation means. Disinformation is like if the Russian government

00:02:31.780 or the Chinese government was literally deliberately spreading things they knew to be lies in Canada.

00:02:37.200 Misinformation is just something that's not quite right. But anyways, but here's the questions

00:02:41.000 that Frank Graves had attached to it. So there was a point system where there was four questions

00:02:45.560 asked. One of them was a true statement. Three of them were false statements. And people, whether

00:02:49.900 they were saying that they, you know, they didn't believe it at all, they don't know or they like

00:02:54.780 believe it, that's what was ranking them on their level of disinformation. And so the questions that

00:03:00.860 were asked were Canada's economic growth lags behind the G7 average. So that's considered a piece

00:03:07.800 of disinformation that Canada's economic growth lags behind the rest of the G7. Now, this is only

00:03:13.400 technically false in the sense that Canada's GDP has been going up rather strongly year to year,

00:03:20.280 but that's not taking into the account that our population is going up at a very rapid rate and

00:03:25.100 it's outpacing the level of GDP growth we have, which is why we have Canadians like losing money

00:03:30.840 over time, that our per capita GDP is actually falling over time. We're not exactly a super

00:03:37.140 economically healthy country. Yet Frank Graves in this poll shows that if a conservative said that

00:03:43.160 we're lagging behind, that's disinformation. That's complete nonsense that that would be

00:03:47.320 considered disinformation. If anything, this is a point up for debate. Now, the second one is

00:03:51.900 vaccine-related deaths are being concealed from the public. Now, I think everyone who's watched my show

00:03:57.960 or any of the podcasts or read many of my articles over time knows that I'm not the type of person

00:04:02.520 to get on a Twitter space and start claiming that I know 75,000 people who have died from vaccines.

00:04:08.360 That's not the type of person I am. I tend to assume that the truth is far more boring than people

00:04:12.580 think. Have there been people who probably died from the COVID-19 vaccine? Probably. Almost any piece

00:04:18.060 of medication, if you'd make anyone take it, every single person take it, would result in some deaths.

00:04:23.400 And so while I understand that there's probably people out there who are like, every death over the past

00:04:28.700 10 years has been vaccine-related, and that's utter nonsense, the average person just saying,

00:04:33.760 yeah, I think there's probably like a couple hundred people who might have died from the vaccine

00:04:36.780 that the government doesn't really want to admit to, that's not really disinformation or misinformation.

00:04:41.100 That's just someone logically concluding that some people must have died, and we've noticed that

00:04:48.420 the government seems very edgy to admit that anyone's even had a vaccine-related side effect.

00:04:53.320 Again, this is not misinformation. This is just Frank Gray's trying to set up conservatives by

00:04:57.660 asking them questions that will seem like, if they answer it the wrong way, that they're a crazy

00:05:04.040 kook who thinks, you know, like a million, 10 million people died in Canada because of the COVID-19 0.52

00:05:09.300 vaccine. Anyways, the third one is, the right to bear arms is guaranteed in Canada's constitution.

00:05:14.600 So this one, I understand that that's not correct. In Canada's charter and constitution, there is no

00:05:20.180 guarantee of the right to, like, to bear arms in the way it is in the U.S.'s constitution.

00:05:27.120 At the same time, I understand why people would say yes to this, that yes, we have the right to

00:05:32.900 bear arms in Canada, because while that text does not show up in the charter, I think a lot of

00:05:39.960 conservatives would be answering in the affirmative for that question, not because they actually believe

00:05:45.600 that it's there, it's because they think that this poll is effectively trying to trick them into

00:05:49.700 saying that there is no ability to hold weapons in Canada. And ergo, Justin Trudeau, restricting the

00:05:55.900 ability for legally, for law-abiding gun owners to keep their guns is right, that somehow Justin

00:06:02.160 Trudeau is in the right for doing this. That's why people are probably answering yes for that, is that

00:06:06.480 they know that you have a right to defend yourself in Canada, and that obviously, that should lead to

00:06:11.740 some level of ability to keep and bear arms. So that's not disinformation or misinformation,

00:06:16.000 that's just a vague enough question or a question where conservatives feel set up. So they're going

00:06:20.480 to answer it in a particular way, so that the pollster does not, you know, spin that result as,

00:06:25.640 you know, Canadians think that it's totally cool for nobody to be able to own firearms.

00:06:30.020 Anyways, the last one, and this one is the true statement, and it said, climate change is caused by

00:06:35.080 greenhouse gas emissions. Well, I said that's the true statement, but that's the one that Frank Graves

00:06:39.680 labels is the true statement. Does greenhouse gas emissions have anything to do with the climate

00:06:45.860 and with the warmth of the air on the planet Earth? Sure, somewhat, yes. Do other things have,

00:06:53.180 do other things have, like, impacts on the climate? Obviously. But the problem is that this poll question

00:07:00.000 is basically saying, is greenhouse gas emissions the only thing that Canada should be worrying about?

00:07:05.240 And ergo, if you say, yes, climate change is caused by greenhouse gas emissions, with no other nuance

00:07:10.420 as to the other effects of climate change or the other causes of climate change, that you're

00:07:15.340 effectively endorsing a carbon tax. That's why you're going to have a lot of conservatives just

00:07:18.640 outright reject this, even if they might agree with it in a technical sense that, yes, greenhouse gas

00:07:23.560 emissions can contribute to climate change. If you fill a room with carbon dioxide, obviously that is

00:07:31.140 going to be a warmer room than one that just has, you know, the standard mix of oxygen, nitrogen,

00:07:36.200 and a little bit of carbon. That's obvious. Everyone understands that it's more so that people

00:07:40.740 disagree with the scale that carbon emissions have to do with climate change, which is why before the

00:07:45.580 industrial revolution, you would have major changes in climate, in the climate over time. Whereas these

00:07:51.160 days, we are having sort of the same looking changes in climate, yet the factor that's changed over the

00:07:58.120 past 150 years is that carbon has significantly gone up in the atmosphere. It's still not that

00:08:02.580 carbon is still a small portion of the atmosphere, but it's changed. So maybe it has some impact. Maybe

00:08:07.520 it's contributing these days. But before humans were burning massive amounts of carbon, we obviously

00:08:12.580 still had changes in climate. That's what most conservatives are taking issue with, is when you

00:08:17.200 just do the blanket statement as if that's the only thing that's ever changed the climate in the history

00:08:21.460 of the planet. Anyways, but the thing that I find is so disgusting about this poll question is imagine

00:08:27.560 the questions that you could ask liberals, NDP voters, and especially Green Party voters, in order

00:08:32.600 to set them up and show that they believe in disinformation. Ask liberals, do you think the

00:08:38.260 parental rights movement is an extreme? Do you think parental rights is being used to abuse LGBTQ

00:08:45.380 children? You would have a lot of liberals say, absolutely, parental rights is a front for abusing 0.97

00:08:50.780 children. It's complete nonsense. It's verifiably false that any group who stands up for parental 0.90

00:08:57.120 rights is somehow pro-abuse. But that's some narrative that the Liberal Party has, you know,

00:09:01.880 taken in. Have a question where you ask all the left-leaning party voters, define what a Nazi is.

00:09:09.420 I doubt they could do it because we've just seen that our Prime Minister does not know what a Nazi is,

00:09:14.140 and they're willing to invite a literal member of the Waffen-SS to Parliament because they don't

00:09:18.580 understand what fighting against the Russians in World War II means. Regardless, but you can ask

00:09:24.800 questions to Green Party and NDP voters about Israel. They'll probably believe in a lot of 0.77

00:09:28.860 anti-Israel conspiracy theories. You'll see a lot of liberals believing that somehow the oil and gas

00:09:35.900 industry is more heavily subsidized than the green energy industry. Yes, in raw dollars, technically,

00:09:42.300 the oil and gas industry gets more government support. But in percentage of the actual income

00:09:49.100 of oil and gas industries compared to EV and green energy companies, obviously, green energy companies

00:09:55.740 would die if they didn't get their subsidies, because that makes up a massive part of their own

00:09:59.860 budget, where any little bits and pieces of handouts that oil and gas companies get, which I don't

00:10:04.940 support. I don't think that oil and gas companies need it, especially if we actually have a fairer

00:10:09.440 regulator who doesn't hurt them in other ways and overtax them. It's obvious that if the oil and gas

00:10:15.520 industries had, like the industry had their subsidies taken away, they would still survive.

00:10:19.540 EVs would not. And liberals, although, would assume that it's actually the oil and gas industry that's

00:10:26.120 more heavily propped up. And they would probably believe that green energy is like the future and

00:10:30.620 that it's a booming industry, not knowing that the vast majority of the industry is just government

00:10:34.660 money at this point. The car companies who sell EVs lose money on every EV they sell. It's not an

00:10:40.080 efficient product for these companies to be selling. They cost a lot. People who buy them don't want to

00:10:44.400 have to buy the charging stations. And if they do, it's like $9,000 a charging station. They do not have

00:10:49.640 very good range. There's like stories all over the place of people buying electric trucks and trying

00:10:53.640 to drive across the US and eventually abandoning them because they couldn't get very far. This is not.

00:10:58.220 But again, if you ask liberals questions around these topics, they would be considered

00:11:02.260 proponents of disinformation. But Frank Graves and ECOS obviously only touched on topics that they

00:11:09.400 could maybe smear conservatives with, because that's kind of the way that they can sort of still

00:11:13.640 bail the liberals out. The media, instead of reporting on the massive poll lead, or even if

00:11:19.120 they do report on the massive poll lead, they can take a sidestep over and say, well, but this poll

00:11:22.900 also shows that conservatives believe in a lot of information, don't you know? I've even shown that

00:11:28.680 these questions, even based on these very slanted questions, if you said that if you agreed with the

00:11:36.260 false statements, the quote-unquote false statements, you would still be partially right.

00:11:40.100 And even with a lot of these, even in the worst case scenario for some of these questions,

00:11:44.960 it's just really up for debate. Even if one side probably has more credibility than the other,

00:11:49.500 you want to pick a question that is clearly disinformation if you say one answer over the other.

00:11:56.280 This is not that case. But Frank Graves thinks that if you think that like there's been no,

00:12:02.760 if you think, I'm sorry, I'm having trouble talking towards the end of this video, everyone

00:12:07.640 forgive me. But Frank Graves thinks that if you think there's one person who died of a vaccine

00:12:11.540 injury in Canada, that you're a conspiracy theorist and a disinformation artist. And that

00:12:16.580 demonstrates to me why I do not care what ECOS says. It doesn't matter how high they put the

00:12:20.980 conservatives in the polls. I want accurate polls. I don't want propaganda polls.

00:12:24.960 I don't want pro-conservative or liberal or NDP propaganda polls. And even though this one shows

00:12:30.240 the conservatives ahead, this disinformation question is pure disinformation itself. And I

00:12:35.140 don't want to engage in this crap. Anyways, before I end this video, I just want to quickly 0.85

00:12:39.080 make a shout out to Brian Breguet, who for some reason was suspended on Twitter, which is now called

00:12:44.640 X for no reason. He's one of the best polling analysts in Canada, right next to the great Canadian

00:12:49.880 bagel Chris over at the great Canadian bagel podcast. But Brian Breguet over at his website,

00:12:55.400 too close to call is a fantastic polling analyst. And I wish he was on Twitter these days because I

00:13:00.380 think he would have a field day going over this incredibly stupid ECOS poll that Frank Graves is 0.99

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The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - September 27, 2023

Canadian Pollster Pushes Disinformation About Disinformation

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