The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - May 17, 2025


Carney caught LYING! CBC admits he fooled them


Episode Stats

Length

15 minutes

Words per Minute

203.03348

Word Count

3,235

Sentence Count

216

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary

The CBC has finally figured out that maybe Mark Carney is kind of a liar. Here's a clip from a recent interview on CBC's Power and Politics with David Cochran where he explains how they were lied to about a budget.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. I have a remarkable clip to play for you guys today.
00:00:07.000 The CBC has finally figured out that maybe Mark Carney is kind of a liar.
00:00:13.120 Last week, I covered through CBC Gem. That did some mental damage to me.
00:00:19.360 I hate having to watch things on CBC Gem because they don't actually post their full clips on YouTube.
00:00:24.220 You have to watch the full versions on Gem.
00:00:26.280 And there was an interaction last week that I had covered between the conservative on the Power and Politics panel, Fred DeLore, and I put conservative in very heavy air quotes.
00:00:36.540 He had brought up to the host, David Cochran, that, well, what's with Mark Carney spending $33 billion through an order in council?
00:00:45.240 I thought this was the guy who was going to take the economy very seriously and he had a plan and now he needs more time to be able to pass a budget.
00:00:53.760 So he's just signing over $33 billion to the different departments of government.
00:00:58.640 And David Cochran cut up and said, it's just to get us through the gap.
00:01:01.640 This is just the money to get us through the gap right now in the budget because the budget was passed in like late April of last year.
00:01:09.520 And so he had to sign that money so that he had enough time over the next three weeks to table the new budget.
00:01:14.600 Maybe he needed some time to schedule in King Charles to open up parliament, whatever.
00:01:18.540 David Cochran jumped in and he said, no, no, no, there's a good explanation for all this.
00:01:23.980 Well, yesterday he basically had to admit, no, there's not a good explanation for this.
00:01:29.000 Yeah, we were lied to.
00:01:30.760 He sat on our show and said that he had a plan and that, you know, he was going to have a budget for this year.
00:01:35.780 And now the liberals aren't even tabling a budget.
00:01:38.360 And I was already on to this one because I had people correcting me and saying, no, no, no, it's just to get them to the next budget because they need to be able to keep the lights on, the gears of government need to keep turning.
00:01:50.000 But what you'll notice about that OIC is that they never said this was just to bridge the gap for the next three weeks.
00:01:55.800 And the numbers didn't line up with most of the departments.
00:01:58.900 Some of the departments were only given four or five percent of their budget in that OIC, their yearly budget, which is like into like the hundreds of millions.
00:02:08.400 They would have been given, you know, 20 million.
00:02:10.420 And it's a holdover amount.
00:02:12.080 And that made sense.
00:02:12.780 But other departments like the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in that OIC were given things like one hundred and seventy eight million dollars in one shot.
00:02:23.400 But you probably know the CBC every single year, it has a budget of one point four billion, but its actual taxpayer portion of the budget is one billion.
00:02:33.120 The other four hundred million is through different types of, you know, it's like ad revenue and other sorts of money that the CBC gets in from other non-governmental sources.
00:02:43.600 And so why do they need seventeen point eight percent of their budget all in one shot?
00:02:48.840 It's almost like Mark Carney is going around and giving money to departments or things other than just keeping the lights on.
00:02:56.340 But now here is David Cochran on the power and politics panel talking about how they were lied to.
00:03:03.000 I can't believe it.
00:03:04.400 So today's award for the fell for it again award goes to David Cochran because he has finally figured out that he fell for it.
00:03:13.640 Well, not necessarily the explanations that were given on camera.
00:03:16.680 You can you can understand why they might want a bit more time than, you know, two weeks from now to have to table a budget because that's what you'd have to be ready for.
00:03:25.660 The problem is here.
00:03:27.100 David Cochran was never told that on camera.
00:03:28.860 Yes, he was promised a budget.
00:03:30.300 He just assumed that this was to hold them over.
00:03:32.480 And that's why I don't like the CBC.
00:03:35.420 Fred DeLore, I frequently disagree with him, but he was right to point out that the way that they were using this OIC was not very responsible.
00:03:41.960 They did not explain it.
00:03:42.920 They kind of signed it in the middle of the night on like Friday, like at the end of the day on Friday, they signed it because obviously they wanted as little attention on as possible.
00:03:51.220 And Mark Carney, as a savvy man, would know that bad business news always gets put out on a Friday afternoon so that it doesn't get carried or doesn't get talked about over the weekend.
00:04:01.200 And then on Monday, you can reset.
00:04:03.040 Monday is good news day.
00:04:04.140 Friday is bad news day.
00:04:05.760 Fred DeLore pointed this out.
00:04:06.840 And David went into full defense mode of explaining why they might do this.
00:04:11.220 It's like, it's not your job as the host of an apparent neutral panel show.
00:04:16.900 You're supposed to be the neutral host.
00:04:18.860 Why are you jumping in in front of bullets in front of the Liberal Party when they should come on your show and explain themselves?
00:04:24.580 And now David's like, well, they lied to me.
00:04:26.300 They said they're going to have a budget.
00:04:27.840 Okay.
00:04:28.880 Yeah.
00:04:29.280 Wow.
00:04:30.400 The people who lied for 10 years straight in their Trudeau era government are going to keep lying in the Carney government because this is literally all the same people, including Carney.
00:04:41.920 But to not even give an update on the deficit projections and the economic projections, Fred, like that I don't get.
00:04:48.780 Like you may not have your whole plan ready to go with the dollar amounts and you want to talk to industry and these things.
00:04:53.520 But like, we have no idea what the financial track of the government is right now.
00:04:58.260 And they're going to ask people to vote on a five to six billion dollar tax cut without knowing where that fits into the bottom line.
00:05:04.940 And it goes against the entire narrative of Carney that he is the man with a plan.
00:05:10.800 That's why he told Canadians and it's why he won this last election.
00:05:14.820 They believed he had a plan.
00:05:17.640 And in fact, he used it as an attack point.
00:05:20.180 You know, a plan beats no plan.
00:05:21.420 He has no plan now.
00:05:24.140 He doesn't have a fiscal plan.
00:05:25.940 It's now he was elected leader of the party in March.
00:05:29.560 You know, he could have given direction even before the election on what he wants his budget to look like.
00:05:34.780 He had a costed platform.
00:05:36.880 And the thing is, too, he was the financial history, the economic advisor to Justin Trudeau for five years.
00:05:43.700 He should know how to put a budget together.
00:05:45.580 It's not like he has to go learn.
00:05:47.200 My thing is that it's not like he's incompetent.
00:05:49.560 He doesn't want to put out a budget because he just doesn't want to put out a budget.
00:05:53.840 Because guess what you get to do when there's no budget?
00:05:56.480 You can just kind of keep spurting out a little bit of money here and there.
00:06:00.040 Oh, this department needs another five million.
00:06:02.040 This department needs another 10 million.
00:06:04.000 Oh, CBC needs another 30 million because it needs to make another three unfunny sitcoms.
00:06:08.560 And it doesn't really hit big news every time another 20 million is spent or 20 billion is spent overall.
00:06:16.480 But at the end of the year, people might realize that, wow, he spent somehow, you know, $70 billion more than Trudeau did in his last year.
00:06:25.060 That's insane.
00:06:25.940 But he just nickel and dimes his way to the top and gives money to all the interest groups that he's trying to keep in line.
00:06:32.280 If Mark Carney is savvy in any way, it's on how to manipulate people, how to put on a good false front, how to seem fiscally responsible at the same time he's going to do the exact opposite.
00:06:43.280 Seem like he cares about the energy industry.
00:06:45.220 At the same time, he's still in favor of cap and trade and increasing the industrial carbon tax to make up for the consumer carbon tax that he's gotten rid of under conservative pressure.
00:06:54.180 This is going to be a complete bait and switch government.
00:06:57.320 And as much as David Cochran and the CBC realize that Mark Carney is a liar, they're not going to realize too hard because they're still very much financially tied to the government since they are getting most of their budget from taxpayers.
00:07:09.540 I'm going to play a little bit more of this and I want to jump over to actually a CTV panel where they were also talking about this.
00:07:15.800 And it's hilarious, again, just watching all these people be like, oh, my goodness, he said he had a plan.
00:07:19.840 Like, well, he was the, you can, I cannot stop repeating it.
00:07:25.100 He was like the economic advisor for like five years.
00:07:29.380 A year is a long length of time.
00:07:31.660 It's made above 365 days.
00:07:33.640 And he was in there for five of those suckers.
00:07:35.380 And you guys didn't realize that his track record of bad economic performance, of bad plans under Trudeau were going to translate into his government.
00:07:43.960 Because Mark Carney is the type of guy, if he's the economic advisor, he's like making all the decisions.
00:07:48.500 Mark Carney doesn't stick around as the economic advisor to like walk into Trudeau's office.
00:07:52.440 Like, hey, guys, knock, knock.
00:07:53.900 I have an idea.
00:07:54.880 Do you want it?
00:07:55.700 And they're like, nah, Mark.
00:07:57.820 Maybe put it on my desk.
00:07:59.120 I'll read it next year.
00:08:00.320 Okay, like Mark Carney's not working for Trudeau unless he gets to control the department that he's advising over.
00:08:06.920 And so when people are acting like this is going to be a fresh government, like, no, it's obviously not.
00:08:12.140 And saying he has a new plan doesn't make up for the track record because previous results, track record tends to be the best indicator of how someone is going to do in the future.
00:08:22.660 Sure, because that was effectively their tryout and he failed in his tryouts, but we're like, but maybe he just needs to be moved up to the big leagues.
00:08:31.220 Yes, he failed in the minors, but let's move him to the let's move him to the top ranks because then he will start flourishing.
00:08:39.180 Why is there no budget?
00:08:40.260 It's I find it absolutely mind boggling that they're doing this, that I'm not giving it and not giving anything, any kind of a statement.
00:08:47.820 But what about if it was like, because I'm trying to wrap my head around this too, right?
00:08:51.660 Now we're in the bargaining phase of the five stages of grief.
00:08:55.780 You know, when you guys won government in 2006 with Harper, he was sworn in in early February, budget came in May.
00:09:02.300 So if you give like a financial update now and a budget in September, you know what I mean?
00:09:06.120 But it doesn't even seem like there's going to be a budget at all.
00:09:08.220 There's going to be an economic state.
00:09:09.380 It's his, your favorite thing.
00:09:10.840 Right.
00:09:11.160 So look, the liberals have always been trying to figure out how to budgets balance themselves.
00:09:15.860 Just don't have a budget balance.
00:09:17.400 Look at that.
00:09:17.960 Right.
00:09:18.340 No, it's absurd.
00:09:19.380 And even going to September, I think is not acceptable.
00:09:22.580 You look at the 2006 when Harper came in, that was a wholly transformed government.
00:09:27.020 I get it.
00:09:27.760 And they had a number of months to do it and they did it.
00:09:31.100 Carney became leader of the party in March.
00:09:32.820 He was prime minister in March.
00:09:34.880 He could have started giving direction and he just had a fully cost of platform.
00:09:38.500 Former, again, central banker, Mr. Finance guy, worked at the Department of Finance, knows the ins and outs of that department.
00:09:45.300 He was one of the guys that helped us do our budget in 2008 when we did it.
00:09:50.180 So it just makes no sense to me.
00:09:52.800 In 2011, we had an election and a few weeks later, we brought in the budget.
00:09:56.620 That was the same government, same prime minister.
00:09:58.600 But I wanted to let that run a little bit because, again, I don't I very infrequently agree with Fred DeLaurie.
00:10:03.920 But I think he laid out the history quite well there.
00:10:06.840 I didn't even actually know that he had a hand in the 2008 budget.
00:10:11.100 And again, so, like, yeah, there's I don't know why everyone's so shocked at them doing this.
00:10:16.060 But at the same time, this is at the same time very egregious.
00:10:19.640 But here is the CTV panel that I think there was an interesting comment made, or at least I like to highlight the exasperation out there.
00:10:26.900 For some reason, they have on Jagmeet Singh's brother, Gurutan Singh, who's a full on nutcase Calistani.
00:10:33.400 As much as Jagmeet's a Calistani, like Gurutan has no even ability to, like, hold himself back.
00:10:40.520 The guy's a complete nutcase.
00:10:41.440 I had someone tell me once he doesn't watch cricket, but if India ever loses a cricket match, he highlights it because that's how much of a nutcase he is.
00:10:52.460 OK, Larissa, I wanted to ask you when you consider what we had also seen around cabinet and in the corridors outside of cabinet and how there were some mixed messaging there.
00:11:04.780 What do you think is behind that?
00:11:06.740 Do you think that they need to have a tighter grip on it or, you know, when you consider the fact that oftentimes you will trust these people to be able to say what they want to say?
00:11:18.040 And I'm thinking of, you know, Stephen Guilbeault weighing in on pipelines, even though that's not his file anymore.
00:11:24.040 And some of these things, do you think that this is just some of the growing pains of a new government?
00:11:28.840 These aren't new people. These aren't neophytes. These aren't people who don't know how to bridge out of a question into something they want to talk about.
00:11:38.540 Absolutely. And this also applies to the budget.
00:11:40.980 These people, and just as also what Fred DeLore was saying, this is the fourth government and they still are pretending like they need to wait, they need to get their sea legs.
00:11:49.300 For so many years, the Liberal government has said one thing to one group of people and another thing to another group of people.
00:11:54.940 I think it was glaring today, but I don't think for a hot minute that PMO didn't know exactly what Steve Guilbeault would say, should he be asked that question anywhere he is.
00:12:04.920 So anytime he's around national press, they're going to ask him. PMO knows what he's going to say.
00:12:09.900 And frankly, I think they're OK with it. They like this idea where you say one thing to one group of people, another thing to another.
00:12:16.480 But I have to mention the most glaring thing that happened this week is that we learned that there is no federal budget.
00:12:22.180 And for a government that ran on, you know, themes of stability, predictability, reliability, you know, I'm Mark Carney, financial savior for all.
00:12:32.880 To say that he's not going to put forward a budget is ludicrous.
00:12:36.500 I cannot believe he doesn't understand the value of sharing what your fiscal plan is going to be and the value of having the voice of the people vote on it.
00:12:47.420 Right. Like if you just won this big election, put it down on paper, pass it through the class, through the house.
00:12:52.740 The idea that we're going to rise in June so we can't sit. Let me think of who could extend that sitting calendar.
00:12:59.160 Oh, it's the Liberal Party. It's Mark Carney. He can make them sit.
00:13:02.480 He's not bound by any sort of law that's if anything, we should also probably have a longer sitting because we've gone without a government since like I think was it like not even early December.
00:13:14.340 I think it was like November. We haven't had a sitting government for a long time to the point where I brought this up in the last episode.
00:13:20.980 Mark Carney in his mini government before the election appointed somebody as the new house leader for the Liberals.
00:13:28.040 The house never sat during that time and now the lady's no longer the house leader.
00:13:34.800 So she is in Canadian history, I believe, the only house leader to never actually lead the house.
00:13:41.900 Make it make sense.
00:13:43.300 Anyways, so that should be it for this video, guys.
00:13:46.140 I have more stuff coming out later. I have something I have to talk about with David Eby and the Communist Party of China.
00:13:51.380 I have to go over my story about what happened in Victoria.
00:13:54.040 That one's going to be a bit of a monster because it's just such a crazy story.
00:13:57.400 Something even new happened regarding it today where I and the independents did a piece of messaging on something crazy.
00:14:06.380 An NDP minister said stood up and basically said everyone in British Columbia who's not First Nations is illegitimate.
00:14:12.740 They're a colonizer and a settler and whatnot.
00:14:14.600 And this is all stolen.
00:14:16.960 And we made a statement about it last night.
00:14:19.420 And then the conservatives were like, God dang, the independents actually said something like in conservative.
00:14:24.780 They were like they beat us to the punch.
00:14:27.060 So they put out the same clip that I clipped to then feign offense at it, even though they're the ones who got rid of Dallas Brody because she rightfully called out the Graves hoax and Kamloops.
00:14:38.200 But they're also going to take issue with the NDP.
00:14:40.480 But then they messed it up because one of their morons, Peter Milibar, puts out a tweet basically saying, well, the problem with what the NDP MLI said is she didn't sound sincere.
00:14:50.100 What?
00:14:50.560 You just hope that she's a sincere racist?
00:14:53.220 You just hope that she's sincerely anti-British Columbian?
00:14:57.220 What the heck?
00:14:57.980 And then he basically said, oh, they need to be implementing DRIPA harder.
00:15:01.500 It's like, OK, more First Nations consultations and eco consultations.
00:15:06.340 Good job, Peter.
00:15:07.120 Good job for standing up for conservatism.
00:15:09.240 But that's already getting me worked up.
00:15:10.880 So that is another story for another day.
00:15:13.400 Maybe at least I'm teasing you guys a bit.
00:15:15.500 It's going to be fun when we talk about it.
00:15:17.040 It involves actually three, four MLAs attacking me.
00:15:21.680 And one of them was so pathetic.
00:15:23.820 He tried to go after me for what I make, not realizing I voluntarily do not make very much.
00:15:28.780 Looked like a moron.
00:15:29.860 Then the next day had to delete his tweet.
00:15:31.400 And because his own people probably were like, don't do that.
00:15:34.800 Or they're going to wonder how much we are making as staff.
00:15:37.600 Because I know the CPBC staff are heavily overpaid.
00:15:41.040 I mean like $150,000 for someone who barely shows up for work.
00:15:46.020 I make $25,000, by the way.
00:15:48.820 Anyways, that's it.
00:15:50.480 So I'll talk to you guys later.
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