The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - February 25, 2025


Carney delivers BAD performance in French Liberal leadership debate

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I don't speak French, but I suffered through the English-translated version of the Liberal Leadership Debate. And to put it very simply, Mark Carney didn't do very well. And it's because he just has the weakest French of all four candidates on stage between himself, Chrystia Freeland, Karina Gould and Frank Bayliss.

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00:00:00.000 I don't speak French, but I suffered through the English-translated version of the liberal leadership race's French debate.
00:00:08.160 And to put it very simply, Mark Carney didn't do very well.
00:00:12.060 And it's because he just has the weakest French of all four of the candidates on stage between himself, Chrystia Freeland, Karina Gould, and Frank Bayliss.
00:00:21.380 Frank Bayliss obviously has the best French as he grew up in Montreal, and the rest of them are either from Ontario or Alberta or Northwest Territories in Mark Carney's case.
00:00:31.900 So naturally, it wasn't that surprising that Mark Carney was going to have worse French.
00:00:37.240 But how much worse?
00:00:38.900 Well, I think Quebec could actually be in trouble with Mark Carney as the liberal leader if he actually wins this entire thing.
00:00:45.720 And that's still not a done deal.
00:00:47.700 If you look at the polling, Mark Carney is still only like 10 points ahead of Chrystia Freeland.
00:00:54.560 And in a ranked ballot system, with more and more people getting to get a real good look at Mark Carney in these debates,
00:01:01.620 there is a chance everything could tighten up quite a bit and that he loses on a third or fourth ballot.
00:01:07.060 I still think right now 90% chance Mark Carney wins.
00:01:10.780 But for the liberals to come out of this leadership race and get a big bump of support, it needs to be a Mark Carney coronation.
00:01:18.280 It needs to be like when Pierre Paglia ran in 2022, and even though he had tough opponents,
00:01:23.720 that if they were in different leadership races would have performed way better, he got like 69% of the vote.
00:01:29.760 That's just not going to happen here.
00:01:31.060 And here's one of the moments that I think proved why the man's not going to do great in a French debate against Pierre Paglia.
00:01:37.980 This was obviously just him saying something wrong.
00:01:41.620 But the fact that you could say something this wrong is a problem.
00:01:44.680 He literally said, so we agree with Hamas, we agree with a two-state solution. 0.98
00:01:54.260 And he was supposed to say, we all agree on Hamas, basically, that, you know, Hamas cannot be left in charge of the Gaza Strip and all that much.
00:02:03.660 The minutiae of the foreign policy issue doesn't matter.
00:02:05.940 But the fact that you could say it that backwards is a problem.
00:02:09.920 I've talked to people who do speak French.
00:02:11.780 They watch the debate in French, and they said that Mark Carney's French is decisively worse than everybody else's.
00:02:18.880 They said in order of French proficiency, it would go, obviously, Frank Bayless, then Karina Gould, then Chrystia Freeland, and then Mark Carney.
00:02:26.960 And the drop-off between Freeland and Carney is a deep one.
00:02:30.440 He's not a close fourth.
00:02:31.720 He is a very distant fourth place.
00:02:34.280 And again, a lot of this guy's growth in the polls, a lot of these polls, I think, are just not being run right.
00:02:40.140 I don't think they're faking them.
00:02:41.760 It's just that their methodology is a bit off.
00:02:43.900 A lot of these polls show the growth in the Liberal Party support over the last few weeks has been, in large part, around Quebec, as well as the Atlantic provinces, where, in a certain ones, like New Brunswick, French proficiency matters.
00:02:58.180 So I don't think that Mark Carney is going to be as formidable of his opponent as people think.
00:03:04.360 And I think it has been a bit of a grift in the online conservative media world where people act like Mark Carney's a really formidable opponent because you get to have more shock stories.
00:03:17.400 But here is the CBC in French talking about Mark Carney just not being a very good candidate.
00:03:22.940 Maybe I'll just quickly mute this and I'll just read it along for you guys.
00:03:27.780 But here we go.
00:03:29.440 You lose for the highlights.
00:03:32.380 Was it a debate without sparks?
00:03:35.300 Is this a debate that will go down in history or its political interest?
00:03:40.180 Now he's talking, saying it was a debate that didn't have a lot of spark and probably because everyone was in their second language, except Bayless.
00:03:48.980 And obviously all eyes were on Mark Carney.
00:03:51.700 I think he got a passing grade, but no more.
00:03:55.840 We saw his French play tricks on him, the slip of the tongue in particular at one point when he said he agrees with Hamas. 0.56
00:04:01.880 It took three minutes and it was picked up by the conservatives, who attacked him on social media.
00:04:09.260 He had difficulty making a place for himself in this debate.
00:04:12.080 Some of these formations lacked correctness.
00:04:16.860 He seemed to hesitate several times.
00:04:19.060 The lines that worked to attack Pierre Polyev, they seemed rehearsed.
00:04:23.160 And I'm not sure that tonight Mr. Carney convinced that he is up to the standard of his real adversaries who are coming, Pierre Polyev,
00:04:32.320 Ries, Francois Blanchet, in a debate, for example.
00:04:34.880 So hopefully that wasn't too horrific, me having to read an interview there.
00:04:38.840 But I'm not French.
00:04:40.380 You're probably not French.
00:04:42.000 So this is how I'm going to have to do it.
00:04:44.200 And even as somebody who doesn't speak French, watching the English translated debate,
00:04:49.960 I could tell that Mark Carney did have to use a lot of rehearsed lines.
00:04:53.940 When they were talking about Trump, it was horrifying to watch.
00:04:57.000 Because every single time anyone spoke, but especially Mark Carney, people would be like,
00:05:02.320 I know how to deal with Mr. Trump.
00:05:05.100 I've been in politics for X amount of years.
00:05:07.240 Or I've been in business.
00:05:08.400 Or I've been in whatever.
00:05:10.180 I know how to deal with a man like him.
00:05:12.240 We have to be tough.
00:05:13.880 And that's how you deal with a man like him. 1.00
00:05:15.780 It was complete vague garbage. 0.99
00:05:17.620 Because obviously none of these people have actually ever negotiated a deal with somebody as tough as Trump. 0.98
00:05:24.500 Most of them are middle management bureaucrats who have been in government too long.
00:05:29.160 Or they're corrupt businessmen like Frank Bayless.
00:05:31.740 Or they're central bankers like Mark Carney.
00:05:34.420 These people have worked in worlds where every door is opened for them because they are part of the corrupt establishment.
00:05:41.260 The corrupt establishment card does not work when you're negotiated with the United States and Donald Trump.
00:05:48.220 Honestly, the best answer on Trump, from a liberal perspective, I'm a conservative.
00:05:52.640 I could care less about all these people.
00:05:55.040 But from a liberal perspective, the person who had the best answer on dealing with Trump was probably Frank Bayless.
00:05:59.720 Because he says, yeah, I'm not going to meet with Trump because I don't want him to basically be high-handed with me.
00:06:04.560 And he gets to come to me if he wants to negotiate or he can send his people to my people. 0.98
00:06:08.780 Like, fine.
00:06:09.960 That's smart. 0.98
00:06:10.740 Everyone else was like, I'm going to go to Trump and stick my finger in his chest.
00:06:14.060 Like, well, Trump's going to do to you what he did to Emmanuel Macron and other EU leaders where he'll make them sit outside in the chairs outside of his office for two hours before he lets them in. 0.98
00:06:25.860 He shows them how much he doesn't have to give a crap who they are.
00:06:29.420 That's what will happen if you try and barge in in his office like Mark Carney or Chrystia Freeland trying to tell him what's up. 0.98
00:06:36.920 It's not going to happen.
00:06:37.920 Anyways, let's move on to some of the polling just so you guys can see where this race is at.
00:06:43.640 Luckily enough for me, some polling just came out from Main Street Research yesterday asking actually 2,200 Liberal Party members what they think of the race.
00:06:54.000 Ruby Dalla obviously is no longer on this poll after having been kicked out. 1.00
00:06:58.500 But Mark Carney is only leading Chrystia Freeland by 12% right now.
00:07:03.020 Chrystia is at 31%.
00:07:04.120 Mark Carney is at 43%.
00:07:05.640 Karina Gould is at 16%.
00:07:07.240 Frank Bayless is at 3%.
00:07:08.840 Undecideds are at 7%.
00:07:10.580 My problem is if I quickly show you the charts over here.
00:07:15.260 Top line is Carney, then Gould, then Freeland, then Bayless.
00:07:19.820 This is Quebec.
00:07:21.440 Carney was ahead in Quebec with 40.7% of the vote.
00:07:25.660 Next person obviously is Freeland with 33%.
00:07:28.220 Then Karina, 13.8%.
00:07:29.760 Oddly enough, Frank Bayless is only at 2.8% even though he is a Quebecer.
00:07:33.300 But the Google Trends charts, if you were following them last night or you saw anyone posting them, Frank Bayless was the main person being looked up.
00:07:41.380 And I think for a lot of Quebec voters, for a lot of Quebec liberals, they're just going to look at whose French was good, whose was terrible, and they'll just start marking people from one to four in terms of French proficiency.
00:07:54.020 Because it would be like having a person with broken English running for an English party leadership.
00:08:01.740 A lot of voters are just probably going to put that person last because they don't want somebody with an extremely heavy accent or actual broken grammar leading their party.
00:08:10.880 And I think that is the problem that Mark Carney currently has himself in.
00:08:14.480 He's just not a formidable opponent right now for Pierre Polyev in Quebec.
00:08:18.640 The bloc might actually eat up a lot of Montreal with him in charge.
00:08:22.660 Justin Trudeau was an abysmal leader, but he was a Quebecer, and that does help.
00:08:27.880 Mark Carney is the guy you run if you're trying to run the downtown GTA.
00:08:31.820 If you want to win downtown Victoria and Vancouver.
00:08:36.780 But that's not where the most of the voters are at.
00:08:40.000 Sorry to tell people.
00:08:41.440 Most voters tend to live in the other parts of the country where either they want you to know French or they want you to be like a small government conservative.
00:08:49.520 So now Carney, not having much pull in Quebec, not having much pull in northern New Brunswick, is going to have to get creative with where he's going to have a bunch of seat pickups or where he's even going to be defending seats.
00:09:02.280 Good chance he ends up losing a lot of seats in this next election, even over what Justin Trudeau might have lost once all the skeletons start coming out of the closet.
00:09:11.940 Because I have said multiple times, look at the man's actual record on policy, what he said, which people he looks up to.
00:09:22.360 I've heard someone say in his book that they're reading, he actually does reference Marx in a positive light, which is why I think we should start calling the man Marx Carney.
00:09:32.680 People will be like, oh, he's a central banker.
00:09:34.480 Oh, he's an investment hedge fund partner.
00:09:37.480 It's like, it doesn't matter.
00:09:38.540 You can be all those things and also be a radical leftist under the surface.
00:09:43.320 A lot of the communist leaders in Russia and elsewhere in the world were very rich men before they jumped in to lead the country because, hey, that's a big power upgrade.
00:09:53.040 Yeah, it might be bad for the economy, but they're already rich, so who cares?
00:09:57.380 And I think that the conservatives want to hit the sky, that you need to open up on him on the radical things that he has said. 0.95
00:10:04.580 Show every single stupid policy he's advocated for, every single stupid policy that the Trudeau government implemented that he recommended, what he says in his book, his advocacy for central bank digital currency, for carbon tax tariffs. 1.00
00:10:20.600 It's stupid. 1.00
00:10:21.340 Anyways, so I'll leave you guys there. 0.96
00:10:24.740 Make sure to like this video, subscribe to the channel, do all that great stuff.
00:10:28.240 I'm finally able to leave Cambridge, not in a bad way, but, you know, I have to get home to rest for two days before I then go to British Columbia because I will be in the NIMO for the BC Conservative AGM.
00:10:40.440 You know, if you're a delegate, come say hi.
00:10:43.820 Obviously, I'm not a voting delegate because I'm not a BC resident.
00:10:47.900 I'm from Alberta.
00:10:49.040 But yeah, I'll be still giving you my, like, on the floor, probably giving people my recommendations for who I like that's running for the different positions in the party.
00:10:58.300 I think there are some people who are currently on the board who should stay.
00:11:01.380 Some people I would like to see replaced by someone else.
00:11:04.480 Because the BC Conservatives, the big thing that they have to not do in the next few years is think that we can slump back into being the BC United or BC Liberals.
00:11:17.180 We can just say mild things on policy.
00:11:19.740 Eventually, the BC NDP will mess up so hard that we'll be put into government.
00:11:24.120 Maybe that's true.
00:11:25.600 But also, is that really the noble thing to do?
00:11:28.180 It just goes soft that if someone says something untrue, you're not going to correct them because it might be politically incorrect to do so?
00:11:35.300 Again, there is this grave hoax in Kamloops.
00:11:38.280 It's a hoax.
00:11:39.440 Nobody's saying that residential schools were actually good now.
00:11:42.940 Obviously not.
00:11:44.340 But warping the truth is not good.
00:11:47.960 If anything, what it is is trying to insult Indigenous people because it says if an Indigenous person backs a false claim, it must make it true because we're too scared to say it's wrong.
00:11:57.060 Even though most Indigenous people know it's basically a hoax. 0.98
00:12:00.040 They have the same opinions that the vast majority of Canadians do who can read a newspaper and say, yeah, well, that was silly.
00:12:06.700 That's what we need to be doing.
00:12:07.700 So I do congratulate Dallas Brody for pushing back on that basically, like, op, highlighting false information and then using it to push for a leftist agenda.
00:12:20.680 It should be called out.
00:12:22.080 And because it's uncomfortable to do so in the short term doesn't mean you shouldn't do it because it will have long-term benefits being the party who says correct things and doesn't back off of them.
00:12:32.240 If you're scared of saying correct things in politics, by the way, leave.
00:12:36.020 And I'm not – and there are people who, like, I'm a truth teller and they make that their entire personality and they don't really say true things.
00:12:42.080 They just say things that they agree with.
00:12:44.000 I'm saying that if you know you're right, the data is there, you're not even having to stretch the data to make your point.
00:12:50.740 This is the perfect case.
00:12:52.220 They literally haven't found any bodies yet.
00:12:53.940 Could they?
00:12:54.840 Technically, yes.
00:12:55.720 But after $8 million being spent on this case and they haven't recovered anything, I'm guessing the answer is probably no.
00:13:03.140 And if you can't back the idea that nothing's been found because that's uncomfortable, then leave politics because you're obviously not equipped for it.
00:13:11.320 Or at least you're not actually conservative and you should go join a lefty party.
00:13:15.480 Anyways, so that's it for me today, guys.
00:13:18.200 I'll see you guys all later.