The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Carney getting ROASTED for supporting Michael Ma's CCP lies!

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.

00:00:06.420 I need to deliver you guys some extremely not-shocking news, and that is Prime Minister

00:00:13.760 Mark Carney refuses to learn a lesson. Last week, just last Thursday, Liberal MP and CCP puppet

00:00:23.060 Michael Ma tried to deny in a committee meeting that there is any forced labor in China,

00:00:29.120 even when the media followed up with him and asked if he believes there's forced labor in China

00:00:33.980 directly asking him the question he could not say he would just say that there are you know

00:00:39.440 bad labor practices all over the planet and then Carney proceeded to do the same thing yesterday

00:00:45.880 at a press conference where people asked him whether or not he agrees with Michael Ma and

00:00:52.340 he made an excuse for what Michael Ma said say that he had apologized even though he had not

00:00:56.860 apologized. But when Carney was asked about the forced labor, he also wouldn't say if China has

00:01:03.340 forced labor. And now Carney has done a fundraiser event with Michael Ma. It was co-hosted by Ma,

00:01:11.240 and he'd proceeded to praise Ma from the podium. Now, the funny thing is it seemed like the Liberal

00:01:18.000 Party originally planned to distance themselves, at least temporarily, from Ma while keeping him

00:01:23.660 Caucus. The original invite for the fundraiser listed Ma as a co-host, and then another one

00:01:31.020 that came out later had removed Ma, and then maybe the liberals got some pressure from somewhere,

00:01:36.600 maybe Beijing, and so Michael was re-added, and now Carney again is praising him. We are about

00:01:43.600 to go to that video in just a second here, but before I do that, I just want to remind you guys,

00:01:48.500 if you like the video, make sure to leave a like. If you're on mobile, make sure to hype the video

00:01:53.180 below in the comment section. Leave a comment on what you think about this situation. And if you

00:01:58.840 like the channel a lot, consider making a monthly contribution. It's just a small financial

00:02:03.700 contribution per month to help make the channel more sustainable for me. And as always, if you

00:02:08.960 are a senior living on a fixed income, do not feel like you should be contributing. I am going to 1.00

00:02:14.380 keep all the content free forever. Anyways, so let's get to this tape that Shavloy Majumdar,

00:02:20.920 a conservative mp put out uh just an hour ago showing carney giving this or praising speech

00:02:28.440 to about michael ma and a closed door fundraiser so this was not meant to be seen by anyone

00:02:36.280 so we're going to go slowly through it because there is captions but they go by

00:02:39.720 fast. So

00:03:09.720 He's immediately going back to what Michael said when he crossed the floor, basically signaling that he's a decent man.

00:03:15.860 He believes in all these great shared values, and that's why we should keep embracing him.

00:03:20.860 Let's go back to some of the things that he said about him.

00:03:23.940 So look, he said he was guided by the values of building up others, which, let's be clear, that means precisely diddly squat.

00:03:35.100 That doesn't mean anything.

00:03:37.160 Apparently, he likes building up others with forced labor if he can get away with it.

00:03:41.780 Let's move on to the second comment that Carney makes.

00:03:44.920 Delivering results.

00:03:46.460 Results-oriented individuals and choosing a path that creates opportunities.

00:03:51.080 He's a results-oriented individual and likes creating opportunities.

00:03:57.060 That means nothing.

00:03:59.400 This has been the problem with all of the liberal floor crossers. 1.00

00:04:02.480 every single time someone crosses the floor and joins the liberals the only thing they can really

00:04:08.180 say are the most generic sort of truisms oh that carney is a unifier why well because i'm crossing

00:04:17.580 basically the only evidence that he's a unifier is that this person is crossing and joining them

00:04:21.780 or he's stable because he has a bigger party and he's in government that like really these people's

00:04:28.220 crossing is only justified by them wanting to be part of the government. And even Carney is trying

00:04:33.280 to cite these completely empty reasons as like some sort of signifier of this person's principle.

00:04:39.560 Again, this is such a lame way of trying to make people stay by Ma and not throw him under the bus

00:04:45.440 like they should be. Fundamental liberal values are creating opportunities, valuing results,

00:04:58.220 like I'm pretty sure that's just a functional person thing to value that's not ideological

00:05:03.800 and then the liberals in the comments will be like oh well it's because those are liberal values and

00:05:08.880 they're universal like no liberals are a big government wealth redistributionist very corporate

00:05:15.580 welfare based party these are the actual values what do they spend your money on is what the

00:05:21.020 liberals value in fact they're not creating opportunities they're losing tens of thousands

00:05:24.860 of jobs every single month they're raising taxes they are doing a lot of things that end up creating

00:05:31.180 less value and creating fewer opportunities but they can cite that they like creating

00:05:36.060 opportunities so i guess that means they're great but let's finish off this tape

00:05:39.820 He's so glad to welcome and work with Michael Ma. Not a word about what he had said. He's not saying that you might have heard in the media that Michael had said this and Michael would like to apologize for his words being taken out of context.

00:06:06.400 The problem is his words weren't taken out of context. He said what he said. And as we said in yesterday's video, Northern Perspectives pointed out that the excuse that Carney used for Ma was the same excuse he used for Paul Chang, who he later had to get rid of when Paul Chang had made a really disgusting comment about arresting Joe Tay and taking him to the Chinese consulate for the bounty on his head.

00:06:28.100 Joe Tay being a conservative candidate in the 25 election who was a freedom fighter in Hong Kong

00:06:33.760 Paul Chang who was a liberal candidate at the time and a liberal MP was mocking the idea of

00:06:39.800 having him arrested he later had to get rid of him even though Carney had pretended like it was all

00:06:44.820 okay because he quote-unquote apologized which he didn't do same thing's happening again with

00:06:48.840 Michael Ma and I think this will end up damaging him quite severely with a lot of voters in Canada

00:06:54.360 because he's eating the scandal. He's just going to eat the scandal and hope it goes away

00:07:00.860 because he really wants his majority. This is indicative of the fact that the liberals don't

00:07:05.840 actually think they can win all three by-elections. The Terrebonne by-election could go to the Bloc

00:07:11.620 Quebecois, and that would mean if he only wins two out of three, replacing Freeland and Bill Blair

00:07:17.160 in Scarborough and University Rosedale, that he will need Michael Ma's seat in Markham Unionville

00:07:23.600 in order to pass stuff. So he's basically just okay with ideological corruption, with a Chinese 1.00

00:07:30.300 CCP puppet being in the caucus, because he wants that majority government. He's going to actually

00:07:36.540 take such a blow from Canadians who already thought the floor crossings felt sleazy,

00:07:41.000 now knowing how much Mark Carney values the votes more than he values the actual principles of the

00:07:47.560 matter. But now I want to get to another video. This was from CTV News, where they were discussing

00:07:54.560 how this had gone down, and the reviews from the commentators are terrible. There's not really

00:08:02.140 anyone defending what Michael Ma did. They'll maybe make excuses that, well, at least he

00:08:07.020 apologized, but he didn't really apologize. When the liberals, obviously the conservatives on the

00:08:12.400 panel attack michael ma but even the liberals are very apologetic about this because they can't

00:08:18.000 pretend this is a non-issue uh check out this segment with uh bashi cavallis on ctv news

00:08:23.500 uh has apologized for his comments as he should have uh he's recognized the seriousness of the

00:08:30.960 issue uh in that in that apology so the first is to recognize up front the seriousness of the issue

00:08:37.400 he does. He's apologized. He apologized directly to Ms. McQuaid Johnson as well, but then more

00:08:44.600 broadly about the issue. He continues to be a member of our caucus, and I'll continue to work

00:08:50.900 with him. That was Prime Minister Mark Carney facing questions for the first time on the

00:08:57.480 controversy surrounding an exchange at a parliamentary committee last week involving

00:09:01.140 Liberal MP Michael Ma. Ma, who crossed the floor from the Conservatives to the Liberals in December,

00:09:05.760 faced backlash for appearing to question the practice of forced labor in China,

00:09:09.860 interrogating an expert and demanding to know if she's seen it with her own eyes.

00:09:13.560 He's since apologized. As you heard there, the prime minister isn't saying, though,

00:09:17.060 whether Ma will face consequences for his comments or whether he will still co-host

00:09:21.260 a liberal fundraising event with him tonight in Markham.

00:09:24.740 So this was before the event, obviously. We do know he hosted the event, and we do know that

00:09:30.240 he was not basically lessened in his prominence at that event. He, in fact,

00:09:34.620 appeared on stage, I believe, at one point with Carney. And then Carney made those glowing

00:09:38.800 comments about him pretending like he's this like standard bearer of liberal values. But here is now

00:09:45.120 the commentators coming in just a second. Let's bring back our front bench, Louie Hammond, Lisa

00:09:49.520 Raitt, Tom Mulcair, and Rob Benzie to talk about that. Lisa, I'll start with you. What did you

00:09:53.040 think of the prime minister's response? He's walking a tightrope here, and it has a little

00:09:58.900 bit to do with what's going on in the United States right now. But most of all, Vashi, I would

00:10:03.060 love to know what was going through doug ford's head that time because he had the strangest smile

00:10:07.400 on his face as he's watching it all go down i'm sure he's saying i'm glad it's not me this time

00:10:12.500 in the united states there is an inquiry going on under section 301 and it has to do with whether

00:10:20.260 or not there's forced labor in supply chains and it's against canada we're one of the countries

00:10:25.620 named if the u.s finds that there is forced labor in a supply chain then unfortunately they can put

00:10:32.380 tariffs on. They can choose what they can do with respect to our economy. So the prime minister has

00:10:37.040 a very fine line to walk. He can't admit that there is forced labor because it plays into the

00:10:41.300 hands of the United States. But equally, he can't say that there isn't because we all know that

00:10:45.020 there is. And here, and Lisa Raid's the conservative on the panel, and she's making a good 0.76

00:10:49.160 point. I just temper that with the fact that it's not shocking that Lisa Raid is saying this.

00:10:53.820 She makes a good point because if the one thing I would disagree with her on is that it's not

00:10:59.200 really that Carney's walking a tightrope, he's already caught. The United States isn't going to

00:11:04.240 be stupid and pretend like Canada isn't obviously using supply chains that involve forced labor. 0.96

00:11:10.800 They know that based on Carney's integration with China, his excitement in wanting to integrate as 1.00

00:11:16.560 much as possible with China, that Carney is throwing better judgment to the wind, and a U.S.

00:11:21.640 investigator is very easily going to be able to find that production that is coming to Canada,

00:11:26.620 are a lot of the goods that are coming into our country or that we have a trade partnership for

00:11:31.180 our own manufacturing. It's going to involve parts and pieces that have forced labor or indentured

00:11:36.600 servitude attached to them in China. It's giving the Trump administration a great excuse to keep 0.97

00:11:42.160 tariffs on. And in this case, Carney's not really going to be able to have some sort of moral

00:11:47.300 grandstanding moment when Trump comes out and says, well, I'm going to have to keep tariffs

00:11:51.960 on them because they keep using child slaves in a lot of the production of goods that they're 0.96

00:11:56.040 taking into their own country. We'll get back to the tape here and hear a bit more from the

00:12:00.360 commentators. It's a tough situation that Mr. Ma has put the prime minister in.

00:12:06.060 We lost Lisa's picture there. That's why everybody at home was stuck on a shot of me for as long as

00:12:11.740 uncomfortably possible. We are hearing Lisa perfectly, though, so I'll pick up on her point,

00:12:16.200 Louis, and ask you, I think part of the tightrope, as she rightly points out, is what's going on with

00:12:21.840 the United States in their investigation. Part of it is also the pursuit of a different relationship,

00:12:26.400 a new and expanded relationship with China. I imagine that's factoring in as well,

00:12:31.440 rightly or as many would contend wrongly. So to give you a little bit of a dynamic of the

00:12:36.600 panel here. So Lisa Wright, who was on screen and now is not on screen, was the conservative.

00:12:42.140 The two guys on the diagonal here are, I believe, more liberal. The guy who's about to speak,

00:12:47.000 I think, is the commentator from CTV News, but generally going to be a bit more liberal leaning,

00:12:52.420 trying to be more neutral. And then you have Tom Mulcair there in the right corner,

00:12:55.520 the former NDP leader, who I would actually say is kind of more liberal himself these days. Like,

00:13:00.540 he's definitely no Avi Lewis NDP guy. He is a very much and like sort of like a halfway between

00:13:06.940 liberal and NDP kind of a personality, more of a Trudeau or a Carney than he is Avi Lewis,

00:13:14.540 who is a complete radical right there's no there's no question about it i mean and obviously the

00:13:20.460 prime minister is in a bit of a pickle tonight because he doesn't want to antagonize the chinese

00:13:25.900 just as his finance minister mr champagne is heading to beijing this week on a mission as

00:13:32.060 a follow-up to the state visit that mark carney paid to beijing early year and so it's a very

00:13:37.900 tight line for him to walk he has to be careful there's no question about it and you know what

00:13:43.100 the chinese are looking at this and they're probably asking okay where do we send the box 0.86

00:13:47.580 of chocolates in ottawa i mean they're already weaponizing this this this informationist propaganda

00:13:54.220 against professor mcway johnson who testified before committee as you mentioned it and as i

00:13:59.500 said they're probably asking where do we send the bouquet of flowers um but i think actually if you

00:14:04.140 take us and he's absolutely right about that we ended up covering it on the show the other day

00:14:09.340 A viewer of the show, Nehan Azam, had brought it to my attention that pro-CCP publications, both in Canada and in Beijing, were praising Michael Ma's own performance in that committee, meaning denying the forced labor, basically saying, look at this hero, this principled man standing up into Margaret McQuaid Johnson, saying that she has no evidence of forced labor because she has not seen it with her own eyes, which is just insane.

00:14:37.160 We know tons of things we have not seen with our own eyes are real, but Michael Ma was just making the most backhanded, dumb excuse for basically pretending like something doesn't exist because this particular person hasn't snuck in that province herself and monitored it from the hills with her own binoculars. 0.78

00:14:55.880 It's so ridiculous. 0.74

00:14:57.800 And so Mark Carney and the liberals know what the Chinese government's position on that was. 0.95

00:15:03.940 They were happy with it.

00:15:04.960 So it would be hard for Carney to now, unless he actually grew a spine, to say that, no, there is forced labor in China.

00:15:11.780 Michael Ma is out of my caucus for saying those disgusting comments, and we are going to reevaluate how we trade with China.

00:15:18.060 No, no, he's full speed ahead.

00:15:19.580 He is the same position as Michael Ma.

00:15:22.320 Step back and you look at this.

00:15:24.180 I think this illustrates two things for Mark Carney.

00:15:27.520 Number one, a short majority is a very tricky thing to deal with.

00:15:32.460 I think that in normal circumstances, there is a world in which Mr. Ma would have been excluded from caucus after these comments.

00:15:41.080 That's not going to happen because Mark Carney cannot afford to lose a single MP.

00:15:46.000 And the other thing that I think it illustrates is that it's all fine and good for Mark Carney.

00:15:50.460 And I think he's on the right track with wanting to sort of, you know, lift our dependence, economic dependence on the United States,

00:15:56.680 strike new strategic economic partnerships with countries like China and India.

00:16:02.120 but you know what if you're going to deal with countries like china and india you're going to

00:16:05.480 have to be very transactional and by virtue of being transactional that's that means oftentimes

00:16:10.760 you're going to need to overlook maybe some of the things on which you used to put on a premium

00:16:16.040 i'm not trying to suggest that mark carney doesn't care about human rights and slave labor

00:16:20.440 i'm sure he does but it isn't the first okay but how much do you really care about it this

00:16:25.480 is where the little bit of the liberalism comes in how much do you really care about it if you're

00:16:31.160 willing to just ignore it in this case it's demonstrating that your hierarchy of values puts

00:16:36.840 concern over child labor and forced labor kind of lower down on the scale that you're willing to

00:16:41.960 defend your own mp's disgusting comments denying that it even exists first thing top of mind that's

00:16:48.280 going to be mentioned when canadian when champagne or mr carney back in january sits down with the

00:16:54.920 the authorities in Beijing. Are we going to hear them say it that bluntly, Benzie?

00:17:00.820 I don't think we will. I think I think Louie's right. I think it's a difficult situation for

00:17:06.360 the prime minister politically because he doesn't have he doesn't yet have a majority. He'll have

00:17:11.460 one probably two weeks from tonight. But even then, it'll be so slim. He can't afford to lose

00:17:16.120 an errant MP. What Mr. Ma said was idiotic and problematic for the government and offensive 1.00

00:17:23.120 to a professor who's very well regarded um and i think i was at the event today with the prime 0.99

00:17:30.340 minister and premier ford and mayor chow uh and you could tell mr carney was getting that his

00:17:36.300 body language was such that this was something that bugged him clearly he wasn't just bothered

00:17:40.460 by the indigenous protesters who were screaming that's what you could hear on the clip uh it was

00:17:44.560 it was clearly uh that this was a concern for him but it's not that much of a concern because right

00:17:49.960 about now in about an hour or so he's going to be at a golf course in markham uh with mr ma at a

00:17:56.040 liberal fundraiser so i think politics is is is a dirty business and this is a a tricky a tricky

00:18:03.980 situation for a for a rookie prime minister who has you know so far been very very lucky and

00:18:09.000 fortunate and had incredible uh incredibly uh he's sort of the rookie of the year so far in politics

00:18:15.640 but who knows the things could get messy this is i kind of love this because that guy is very

00:18:23.300 clearly a liberal on the panel even he's not defending it he's doing what the media did back

00:18:29.680 in snc lavalin the snc lavalin scandal with justin trudeau they don't necessarily defend

00:18:35.340 justin trudeau but they talk about how tricky of a situation this is and let's see how mark carney

00:18:40.540 uses his skill, wit, and charm to get out of it. Like, no, he messed up. It's your responsibility

00:18:48.320 as an observer who supposedly cares about principle and ethics to hold him to account

00:18:54.240 to say that what he should be doing is getting rid of Michael Ma. But we just kind of act like

00:18:58.680 there's this big confusing mess that's going on. And maybe the rookie of the year, Mark Carney,

00:19:03.160 might be able to figure out a way out of this paper bag that he's in. It's like, no, there's

00:19:08.900 no way out of this other than doing the right thing. Either he doesn't do the right thing and

00:19:14.280 deserves criticism forever for doing it, or he does do the right thing and maybe we can give him

00:19:18.520 a small golf clap if he actually gets rid of Michael Ma. I will come on the show and give him

00:19:22.340 a golf clap if he gets rid of him. He's not going to, but the way a lot of liberals like to frame

00:19:27.200 this thing is, oh, this is a mess that Mark Carney's going to have to deal with. And there's

00:19:33.060 just a presupposition that, well, you know, if he can kind of bury it by the next week, he's dealt

00:19:39.020 with it, even though he's really just trying to make people ignore the thing that happened,

00:19:43.540 happened, and allow Michael Ma to continue being a CCP puppet in his own caucus. Let's get to the

00:19:50.140 last comments made by Tom Mulcair here, and then we'll probably be done. I've got just one minute

00:19:55.700 left. We've got a camera at that fundraiser, I'll say, so we'll see what happens there. It all goes

00:19:59.180 to you, Tom. Last word to you. Well, without in any way trying to defend what Mr. Ma did, I do

00:20:04.820 think it's fair to remember that when you're in a parliamentary committee, you're not in a court

00:20:08.560 of law. Expert testimony is open to a simple question like, can you cite your sources? Can

00:20:13.820 you tell us which human rights group who's able to back this up? That's a fair question.

00:20:19.680 Okay, that's fair. But Tom Mulcair is being way too fair to Michael Ma.

00:20:26.040 did we did we we watched we've watched the tape several times Michael Ma I don't need to play it

00:20:30.860 again Michael Ma was not saying who is the source for that uh can I can I get that can you send that

00:20:36.580 to my office I'd really like to see what the human rights watch has said what you know all these other

00:20:41.900 groups have said no no he was asking snarky snide yes or no questions trying to act like oh so you

00:20:48.940 haven't seen it yourself that was the attitude it wasn't Michael Ma being genuinely curious

00:20:54.480 and inquisitive about what she had and saying well i i want the citations because i like having

00:20:59.460 the citations he doesn't care about the citations he blew her off what mr ma did though is what you

00:21:06.680 described your word vashi which okay there we go i actually actually is right but so he and i'll

00:21:12.320 assume that he's making a steel man argument and trying to basically give the best interpretation

00:21:16.900 of what ma could do and then reversing and saying but we know he didn't do that that's a fair

00:21:22.180 question what mr ma did though is what you described your word vashi which was to interrogate

00:21:27.220 as if he was cross-examining and going after the witness and i think that that's where the whole

00:21:31.460 thing fell apart because there you're not looking for information you're looking to score a political

00:21:35.620 or other point but i think that we have to understand that in a parliament questions get

00:21:39.860 asked and and it has to move on i do think that the canadian government is going to have to clear

00:21:44.340 the air on this for the reason that lisa gave we're going to have to stay with the idea of the

00:21:49.220 courts. We're going to have to build a business case and a legal case to prove that we're dealing

00:21:53.860 with a government that is not doing the things that the Americans are likely going to be alleging

00:21:57.820 as they seek to impose new tariffs, especially with regard to the electric vehicles.

00:22:02.320 Well, the problem is that we can't build a case. The way that we would have to build a case that

00:22:07.860 could pass the smell test for the Trump administration is somehow prove that China

00:22:12.320 isn't engaging in massive amounts of forced labor and child labor. That's the only way we can do that. 0.71

00:22:19.220 I don't think we're going to be able to clear like China, who is like the John Wayne Gacy of forced labor here. 1.00

00:22:27.000 I'm not sure if we're going to be able to prove they didn't do it because that's effectively what Tom Mulcair is proposing there.

00:22:34.320 I like Tom Mulcair's take sometimes, but that's just was kind of weak overall.

00:22:39.060 But then that's proving how much of a kind of a liberal he has become since being the NDP leader.

00:22:43.800 He's still trying to kind of find a way through this whole thing for Mark Carney.

00:22:48.140 and it's like there's just not there's really not Mark Carney either eats the scandal which

00:22:53.580 it looks like he's going to try and do and he's going to take as much pain as it's going to cost

00:22:57.360 him or he gets rid of Michael Ma and that's a very slim chance at this point although he did

00:23:02.280 reverse himself previously and get rid of Paul Chang before the last election but I'm not holding

00:23:06.840 my breath for something like that to happen anyways with that all being said thank you guys

00:23:11.940 for watching thanks for keeping up with the Michael Ma saga that's currently going on this

00:23:17.260 story is not going to go away. I'm going to keep covering it as much as Mark Carney keeps allowing

00:23:22.300 me to cover it by not getting rid of Michael Ma. But I will be switching up the topics in future

00:23:27.580 videos. I still want to talk a little bit about Mark Carney at the Juno Awards because, man,

00:23:33.820 that's embarrassing. I don't even necessarily want to talk about Mark Carney other than it's just

00:23:38.180 embarrassing that he attended the event. I need to talk about that weird throat singing performance

00:23:43.940 that happened on the stage because if you don't know they were doing some like tribute to Nelly

00:23:48.540 Furtado who was like being conducted into the Canadian Music Hall of Fame or like whatever

00:23:53.920 award that she was getting a Lifetime Achievement Award. The woman who's doing the throat singing 1.00

00:23:58.380 is this insane activist who screamed and did all this weird huffing and puffing when we were at

00:24:06.280 UVic in the face of Dallas Brody the 1BC leader the leader I work for and why I'm currently in

00:24:12.920 british columbia right now uh yeah so that person who obviously has some issues uh for some reason

00:24:20.160 got to do their weird non-singing singing at the juno awards and it was horrifying it sounded like

00:24:26.200 a backed up garburator but we will be getting that into another getting into that in another

00:24:31.300 video anyways thank you guys for watching and i'll see you all next time

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - April 01, 2026

Carney getting ROASTED for supporting Michael Ma's CCP lies!

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript