The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - October 10, 2026


Carney In Trouble - CBC Attacks Conservatives To Save Liberals!

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Carney Crash Has Started - 110,000 Jobs Lost in Two Months! Liberal Lie BLOWS UP In their Faces - Stelco CEO Fires Back on Carney!

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00:00:00.000 It's so predictable you could set your watch to it.
00:00:03.940 After Prime Minister Mark Carney and the Liberals were embarrassed by a second month of terrible falling job numbers,
00:00:10.980 the Canadian legacy media has immediately pivoted to attacking Pierre Polyev and the Conservatives.
00:00:17.480 We talked a little bit about this yesterday when Polyev was hit with a ridiculous question about his leadership at a press conference about job losses,
00:00:26.000 but now the CBC has done an entire segment just talking about Pierre Polyev.
00:00:32.140 Let's not talk about all the Canadians losing their jobs
00:00:34.720 and the fact that Mark Carney is not the financial wizard he sold himself as,
00:00:38.960 you know, the guy currently running the country.
00:00:41.420 No, no, no, let's attack Pierre Polyev
00:00:43.900 because Scott Aitchison is going to retire at the end of the year.
00:00:48.460 Who cares, guys?
00:00:50.040 I first want to go back and show you the clip from the press conference
00:00:53.460 that precipitated all this coverage on the CBC, but rest assured, all of this is just 0.95
00:01:01.140 dumb media-created noise.
00:01:03.800 But before we get into it, I just want to remind you guys, if you like the show, make 0.74
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00:01:16.120 It does make the channel more sustainable for me and allows me to be less reliant on
00:01:20.700 the very finical or finical pickle the very fickle youtube algorithm it's the morning still i don't
00:01:28.220 say words properly but here is pure poly of getting this awful question from laura stone at
00:01:34.140 his press conference yesterday good morning mr polyeth laura stone globe and mail um i want to
00:01:42.300 ask about what's going on with your caucus with scott ageson now leaving we've got eight people
00:01:46.620 who have departed he talked today in an interview with the star about potentially more people on
00:01:52.780 their way out he talked about caucus being somewhat demoralized i wonder a what are you
00:01:57.260 doing as the leader of this party to ensure no more members leave your caucus and b what do you
00:02:02.860 tell those mps who have been in opposition for several years who are now looking into the future 1.00
00:02:08.300 thinking i don't think or i don't know if i'll ever be in government this is such a lame stupid 0.94
00:02:14.540 question because it relies on anonymous sources or hypothetical scenarios there could be mps very 0.98
00:02:20.700 disappointed in you right now in your caucus because they're not currently a minister and
00:02:25.100 what would you say to all these people fearing for their jobs or thinking about retiring early
00:02:30.300 just like begging the question assuming that this is all true and now he has to answer for this
00:02:36.300 hypothetical scenario where a bunch of people in his caucus are silently mad for him this was at
00:02:41.340 at a press conference about job numbers where they were standing in front of a steel plant
00:02:45.800 where 500 people had just lost employment. And I thought Polly have answered it very well here.
00:02:51.960 Well, listen, I think it's amazing that here I am standing in front of an idle steel facility
00:02:57.160 where there are hundreds of people now out of a job who are going home tonight and don't know
00:03:02.220 how they're going to put groceries on their table, who are going to be missing mortgage payments in
00:03:07.300 a couple of weeks. They joined with the 68,000 Canadians who lost their job last month. And the
00:03:15.420 56% of Canadians who don't own a home and believe they never will. And, you know, the last year and
00:03:23.480 a half, the media has asked about me, but they don't ask Prime Minister Carney about the people
00:03:27.780 that left his caucus, the people that are losing their jobs, the people who are on the other side
00:03:32.680 of the water who don't know how they're going to pay their bills. And he's actually more right
00:03:37.420 about this than you think. You could say, well, of course they asked Mark Carney about job numbers.
00:03:42.660 Yeah, but they never make it personal. They never say, well, what do you say to all the people
00:03:46.560 that your elbows up strategy is working when we just had 70,000 people lose their jobs last month?
00:03:52.240 It never gets asked that sort of like pointedly to the prime minister. And yes, every time we have
00:03:58.860 bad news for the liberals, suddenly we start scrutinizing every single person who leaves
00:04:04.160 office early in the Conservative Party when it's happened eight separate times to the liberals
00:04:09.100 already. Except in those cases, it wasn't some hacky person who ended up crossing the floor
00:04:14.560 like Chris Dontremont or Michael Ma. It's usually somebody who everyone knows has a well-documented
00:04:22.320 dislike of Mark Carney, Chrystia Freeland, Stephen Gilbeau, Jonathan Wilkinson,
00:04:29.280 Nader Skine-Smith. Others have also left. Bill Blair was extremely upset. He was basically stuck
00:04:34.300 in the backbench despite the fact he used to be a minister and the chief of police for Toronto.
00:04:40.100 He felt disrespected, so he left early and took a different job somewhere else. But the media never
00:04:45.120 goes into those background stories on what is causing dysfunction around Mark Carney.
00:04:49.920 they only ever asked Pierre Polyev these pointed questions. But now I want to move on to the CBC
00:04:55.700 coverage because they spent half of the power and politics segment yesterday just attacking Polyev
00:05:02.060 and saying, oh my goodness, he was crashing out because he was asked this question. Yes,
00:05:06.260 it was a ridiculous question. And that's not crashing out. That was him pushing back on a 0.99
00:05:11.160 question being very unfair and very inappropriate considering the circumstances. Kind of sympathetic
00:05:17.500 at it to the idea that sometimes you get asked questions that that don't seem to be about the
00:05:21.380 most important issues right but he's the leader of a party and he does have people who are leaving
00:05:26.600 and he does have to answer that question what he did there uh yeah but why is mark carney never
00:05:32.340 asked the same questions sure there's a time and place for every question was it that day where
00:05:37.720 scott aitchison had actually already announced that he was going to retire like a week ago
00:05:41.660 and then laura stone asks him that question at that press conference that was all about jobs
00:05:47.080 He has had other press conferences before when Scott Aitchison had announced at the end of the year he's going to be retiring.
00:05:53.740 But she waited on it to deploy the question on the day where obviously the news cycle should be about job losses and what the heck is Mark Carney doing. 0.95
00:06:02.400 Instead, she disrupts the press conference to ask him a stupid inside baseball question about what's going on inside his party. 0.95
00:06:09.860 from you know like turning on a reporter as he has done many times before but what he did there 0.99
00:06:15.300 was take something that he could have easily batted away and turned it into an issue that
00:06:19.880 that that actually uh sort of gives us more of a display of who he is than what the issues are that
00:06:25.940 he was trying to highlight and so if you don't play the play along with the game and you don't
00:06:29.960 agree to the insane premise that yes I'm a very unpopular leader that is why Scott Aitchison is
00:06:35.080 leaving yes that is why I've had floor crossers I just suck so bad if you if you push back on 1.00
00:06:39.720 the premise then it's like oh my goodness he's attacking reporters and and being unwilling to 1.00
00:06:44.500 actually uh you know answer straight questions it's like it's a bad question so apparently
00:06:49.180 either you have to agree to the insane premise or you're like battling with the media in in a way
00:06:55.340 that makes it your fault by rejecting the idea it's also so much of it is not true i mean you
00:07:00.780 know all leaders get asked when when people leave their you know no matter which party
00:07:05.540 Stephen Gabo, Bill Blair, Christopher Freeland, Jonathan Wilkinson.
00:07:08.900 Yes, they were all asked and on, right?
00:07:11.360 You get asked those questions.
00:07:12.160 They ask the individual, well, why are you leaving?
00:07:15.000 And the person could give some sort of fluffy answer about,
00:07:17.500 I'm pursuing bigger things in my life.
00:07:19.220 And the inquiry would shut down.
00:07:21.300 Mark Carney was never grilled by reporters of why he lost, like,
00:07:24.020 three or four MPs in, like, a couple of months earlier in the year.
00:07:28.140 You have to answer them and then find a way to answer them
00:07:31.060 so that you can then move on to what it is that you really want to talk about
00:07:33.980 instead of what he did there which was to actually make that the issue i do think small
00:07:38.380 ticks is a clever turn of phrase i i will give him that and he actually did turn the question
00:07:44.300 to what he wanted to talk about it was very well done actually he focused the he refocused things
00:07:50.620 on the job losses and actually shamed the media for seemingly not caring about these people losing
00:07:56.060 their jobs and instead going pivoting on to as paulia said there into the small ticks of what's
00:08:02.220 going on inside of this caucus they get asked questions about you know and and he enjoyed that
00:08:08.460 very very much just you know two short years ago so i do think it speaks to the way he became leader
00:08:14.060 and that the fact that the liberals pulling you know started to go very very very very down and
00:08:20.540 he benefited from that but he still sounds like 2024 when he was talking to today about what
00:08:26.220 mr jolie has to do and i thought who are you speaking on behalf of an incredible shrinking
00:08:31.020 caucus you have 28 in the policy see i know he is the liberal hack greg mccacher and on this panel
00:08:37.180 but i again this is the game and he's actually just saying it outright yes you're he's trying
00:08:42.700 to grill melanie jolie and on the and the liberal cabinet for failing on so many of these issues and
00:08:49.180 melanie jolie very clearly never made stelco or any other company actually signed something
00:08:55.340 legally binding requiring them to keep certain amounts of people employed she messed up on that
00:09:00.940 And when Pierre Polyev is basically saying, well, you guys better be putting forward a legal challenge on Monday, you better be doing this and that, and this is how you could probably fix some of these economic problems, Greg McEachern here just kind of leans back and says, people left your caucus.
00:09:15.260 This whole idea, we can dismiss anything Polyev says by going to caucus problems.
00:09:20.280 Okay, is he right or wrong?
00:09:22.040 Oh, he had, he had, he's losing the great Scott, Scott Aitchison.
00:09:26.660 I don't care if Scott Aitchison is leaving.
00:09:28.520 he's a massive urbanite red Tory type conservative. I don't care that he's going. He can go. It
00:09:34.720 doesn't matter to me. How does this have anything to do with the fact we've had two months of massive
00:09:40.680 job losses at the same time the Americans are massively increasing the number of jobs?
00:09:50.040 Sorry, I had to bring the thing back up on screen. Just one of those little things I mess up in the
00:09:56.480 polls and you sound like these demands are you know you're so forceful it sounds exactly like
00:10:01.920 he was a couple years ago and people when people wanted change they would listen to short messages
00:10:06.580 that just were more about rhetoric they were they don't listen to that now in the same way
00:10:11.320 and look in opposition there are plenty of things that you could do and we've talked a lot about how
00:10:16.640 the conservatives just make noise the recently when uh seafood was going to be uh in a retaliatory
00:10:23.500 tariff and was removed yeah uh justin ling mentioned that in his column last weekend i
00:10:29.460 talked to an atlantic liberal mp this week and they were working furiously internally to get
00:10:35.420 that done and they were sure that conservative mps were going to beat them to the punch
00:10:39.880 and make it a public issue and then which they could have easily done and taken credit for it
00:10:44.660 but they never did there are things that they could be doing concrete things and they don't
00:10:50.340 Yeah, the reference to Jolie, Fred, just for people at home, is Melanie Jolie has sent a letter to the parent company of Stelco, giving them until Tuesday to rescind their layoffs for face legal action.
00:11:02.460 Pierre Palio says, sue them Monday.
00:11:04.140 I mean, I don't know Monday, Tuesday.
00:11:06.040 It makes a big difference there, but it's like someone bids $1,000 on the prices, right?
00:11:09.300 And you bid $1,001.
00:11:11.200 Yeah, but no, that's not exactly how that works.
00:11:13.340 The whole point is that she should have sent it in a while ago, and she should do it the first available day.
00:11:19.180 That was his point.
00:11:19.820 he's not just sitting there behind her and she says Tuesday and he's like Monday his whole point
00:11:24.680 is that it should have already been done so why are we waiting extra days but going back to what
00:11:29.020 Greg McEachern was saying there about well there's these other issues they could have been jumping on
00:11:33.140 if they did jump on those issues Greg McEachern would find an excuse to not actually care about
00:11:38.140 their opposite like what they said because he seems to have this idea that because the liberal
00:11:43.100 government is not literally falling apart right now that you criticizing them is like criticizing
00:11:47.960 Canada itself. Now I want to jump over to what Fred DeLore said on this panel, because he is
00:11:53.680 supposed to be the resident conservative on the CBC Power and Politics panel, but he is a just
00:12:00.140 red Tory hack at this point in his life. People will bring up, oh, he did great things for Stephen
00:12:05.560 Harper in 2011. And it's like, okay, sure. What have you done for me lately? I don't care. You
00:12:10.420 used to be good. I care about how you finished the race, not how you started the race. And on the CBC,
00:12:15.620 He has just turned into somebody who naysays Polyev as the guy who you would assume would be actually offering some, you know, advocacy on behalf of what conservatives believe.
00:12:26.220 And he's always just critiquing how Polyev goes about his business.
00:12:29.900 Frustration. Is that just the inability to set the narrative anymore, set the agenda to come into play? Or what do you think it is?
00:12:36.260 Yeah, look, it's all of our issues boiling to the top right now.
00:12:39.680 There's no question morale is very bad in caucus.
00:12:41.740 We've lost our eighth member and there's rumors of more to go.
00:12:45.620 We're not in a good spot.
00:12:47.180 As Greg pointed out, 28% in the polls.
00:12:49.540 Now you can form government with 28%.
00:12:51.300 Yes, you can.
00:12:53.720 We're not in a good spot.
00:12:55.780 Chuckle, chuckle.
00:12:56.960 A poll came out and then put the Conservatives at 28%.
00:12:59.620 Yeah, you can't form government with that.
00:13:03.740 It's like, what is this commentary?
00:13:06.360 I talk about numbers on the show.
00:13:08.240 You know, I like doing polls on the whiteboard.
00:13:10.420 I will kind of parse out what's an actual good quality poll,
00:13:13.300 what's a bad quality poll,
00:13:14.360 and I can back it up with evidence and I can even point to election results showing which polls are
00:13:19.220 more reliable than others but like these guys pulling out numbers is like trying to watch like
00:13:24.680 an illiterate person like read you a book they don't know what they're talking about yes you
00:13:29.820 pull out an outlier poll that had the conservatives way way down as what a counter to what they're
00:13:37.160 just basically mocking peer poly of in the segment acting like oh yeah they're so frustrated because
00:13:42.080 they're not doing very well and they're having all these people leave and more to come. It's like,
00:13:45.980 why are we always just speculating about what might happen to Polyev when we have the biggest
00:13:51.780 news story of the day that 70,000 people lost their jobs in September alone? Screw you guys.
00:14:00.860 We have had 110,000 job losses over the past couple of months. At the same time, the Americans 0.92
00:14:05.900 added 975 000 jobs and we're all here chortling about how paulia must be very frustrated that he
00:14:12.780 doesn't have the popularity that he used to have it's just all so so lame and it's you know it is
00:14:20.700 frustrating to be asked those questions you are doing an important announcement that you are
00:14:25.180 trying to uh try to discuss and get issues get people focused on uh but this is when you don't
00:14:30.860 have uh stability in your own backyard you're going to get asked these questions and no that's
00:14:36.700 nonsense that's acting like these journalists don't have agency that oh because the conservative
00:14:42.320 party is in a certain state there must be questions asked about this no no he was making
00:14:46.620 an important announcement on a very important issue that is really hard that is very hard for
00:14:51.840 canadians right now in terms of the economy and you turned it into an issue about a week old story
00:14:57.880 about scott aichinson saying by the end of the year i'm going to be stepping down okay the cover
00:15:03.900 it then a week later and the job numbers explode in a negative way and we're going to now finally
00:15:10.720 bring up this to pure poly of and attack him it's again it's just really sleazy what they're doing
00:15:17.180 here uh here's the last clip i want to play a fred glory again trying to make hay out of this
00:15:22.000 him pushing back on laura stone's question at that press conference just saying is he's number eight
00:15:26.880 there's probably a number nine there's probably a number 10 right like you know is there probably
00:15:31.440 here's the thing nobody ever does this for for mark carney who has lost as many mps he's lost
00:15:38.320 eight does anyone sit around saying i wonder when mark carney's going to lose another if anything
00:15:42.900 it's more impactful because you're in government shouldn't these people want to stay in government
00:15:46.540 is there a fundamental issue between mark carney and many of his own mps causing them to want to
00:15:52.440 leave government despite the fact that they have the best jobs in theory that they've ever had
00:15:57.320 before oh there's four elections now and and still in opposition and people just may make choices
00:16:03.160 he's going to be asked it again i mean what's the answer the next time because it can't just be
00:16:07.720 making a fight he needs to find a path to get his party to be in a much better spot than they are
00:16:15.060 now and to have caucus united oh wow what what what commentary he needs to let's listen to that
00:16:21.440 again guys remember to write this down making a fight he needs to find a path to get his party
00:16:29.760 to be in a much better spot than they are now wow he needs to find the path to get his party
00:16:37.160 in a much better spot than they are now wow hire this man who could have guessed why Aaron O'Toole
00:16:43.740 lost in 2024 2021 with this guy leading the campaign and to have caucus united with him to
00:16:49.780 do that until he does that and he has not been doing that until he does that this stuff is going
00:16:53.740 to keep happening uh to your question about how he should answer these questions he should just
00:16:58.480 pivot off of it quickly and get back to the issue as most politicians he did that except he also 0.88
00:17:03.520 just went he also shamed Laura Stone along the way too because her question was ridiculous it was a
00:17:09.240 deflection from the main topic and he basically slapped her for it and went back to the fact
00:17:14.660 people are losing their jobs politicians are very very able to do and he should be able to do that
00:17:19.420 but you could sense his frustration with this but this is frustration it's directed at the media
00:17:23.900 but he must be feeling it within his own caucus right now yeah i was seeing an answer where scott
00:17:28.100 is leaving to pursue other opportunities but he's making that choice the people here aren't
00:17:32.820 being given a choice they're just being given a layoff and blah blah blah right you can then
00:17:36.420 pivot onto your core message but i don't know uh we'll see i mean next time he's on the show we can
00:17:41.460 go through it maybe and we'll talk about it together there yeah so that's the media right
00:17:46.100 there, the very objective Canadian media. By the way, the CBC, they're currently getting
00:17:52.680 sued by Kaylin Ford, who is a former UCP candidate in the 2019 election. They're being sued for
00:17:59.800 defamation for calling her a white supremacist and all this other stuff that was just completely
00:18:03.820 unfounded. And in the courtroom right now, in their defense, they're arguing that opinion should
00:18:10.820 always be implied in all of their coverage. But these people act like they are objective observers.
00:18:15.480 But whenever the CBC is actually caught lying about someone, suddenly it's all opinion again.
00:18:21.200 Obviously, it's all opinion in a lot of ways because the CBC is just notoriously pro-liberal.
00:18:27.360 Again, that was half of the segment.
00:18:30.280 They never covered the big job loss numbers on that segment.
00:18:34.440 Maybe they'll eventually do it.
00:18:36.120 I really doubt that they'll actually put the screws to the Carney liberals and say, well, what the heck, people?
00:18:41.140 I thought you guys were the financial wizards to save the country.
00:18:44.000 how are we losing 110,000 jobs? Do we need to pivot on our domestic finance policy? Do we need
00:18:49.940 to try and get to a deal with the Americans? No, never brought up. Never brought up. We just assume
00:18:54.380 Mark Carney's doing the right thing, and anyone opposing him is just mad or whatever. Anyways,
00:18:59.540 so with all that being said, thank you guys for watching. Make sure to like, share, subscribe,
00:19:04.460 do all that fantastic stuff, and I'll see you all later.