The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - February 03, 2025


Carney is running a comatose campaign - Will get beat worse than Trudeau


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11 minutes

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136

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Mark Carney is the favourite to replace Justin Trudeau as the next Prime Minister of Canada, but what does that actually mean for the Liberal Party of Canada? Is this a good or bad thing? Is it a good thing? And is it bad?

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00:00:00.000 I genuinely believe that the Liberal Party is going to do worse in the 2025 federal election with Mark Carney leading them than if they had just kept on Justin Trudeau.
00:00:11.940 If you look at the Liberals polling about eight or nine months ago, they're around 26-27% in the polls, but they only took the dive when they started trying to remove Justin Trudeau so they could install somebody like Mark Carney.
00:00:26.640 And now with Mark Carney set to potentially win the Liberal Party's leadership, they're really only going to get up into the mid to maybe middle-high 20s in terms of their overall support, which, why did you bother doing all of this if all of this movement in the leadership was just going to bring you slightly below default?
00:00:46.980 I need to show you a video that Mark Carney posted to his own social media account that's supposed to promote him as a serious leader that the Liberal Party and Canada needs right now. Check this out. It will put you into a coma.
00:01:02.980 Now, let me be clear. This situation, unfortunately, could not be more serious. And at times like these, we need serious leadership and a serious plan. I'm ready to stand up for Canada. Who's with me?
00:01:25.980 I don't know what kind of hard drugs the crowd's on, but who is reacting like that to that absolutely Eeyore-like speech?
00:01:38.480 This is the thing. Obviously, I don't like Justin Trudeau. He's corrupt. He's an awful leader. He's a nasty person. Everything that you guys could think about him that's negative, I probably would agree with.
00:01:50.240 The thing with Trudeau, though, in terms of if I was trying to make the Liberal Party do as well as they could in the 2025 election, not that I want them to do very well, that Trudeau has energy. He has, like, any amount of energy.
00:02:05.920 Mark Carney doesn't. He feels like you're reading a textbook while he's speaking. But the problem is he's not even very experienced at actually getting good things done.
00:02:15.580 All of his experience is just holding bureaucratic positions. The governor of the Bank of England, governor of the Bank of Canada, in which he really didn't do all that much.
00:02:25.380 It would be really difficult to even explain to a Canadian how he was significant at all in the 2008 market crisis, because he really wasn't.
00:02:33.980 It was overall government policy that saved Canada from a deep recession. But Mark Carney, for some reason, I guess, gets credit because he was there.
00:02:44.360 But it was all Harper's doing that made Canada better off. But regardless, getting back to this video, though, that is genuinely worse than having a scandal break in the middle of your leadership.
00:02:55.800 Because a scandal would make people talk about you. The only people who are talking about this video are, like, lamenting the fact that this guy is really the top prospect for the Liberal Party?
00:03:07.860 Really? We're going to have to make snappy, energetic, exciting advertisements for the 2025 federal election with this guy at the helm?
00:03:17.420 And it kind of gives away the game a little bit when Mark Carney doing things on his own looks like this, that it's really Team Trudeau who's propping the entire guy's campaign up.
00:03:29.940 There's nothing about Mark Carney that compels people inside the Liberal caucus to want to run out in the streets and back him up.
00:03:37.240 Nobody actually wants this guy as the leader. It's simply that Team Trudeau wants him.
00:03:42.300 And really, are you going to get Team Trudeau on your butt, having them all over you because you backed Freeland or backed Gould instead of Carney?
00:03:51.500 So all of his support's fake. Do you think that Gerald Butts and Katie Telford are just there by happenstance?
00:03:58.380 No, it's Team Trudeau. Mark Carney is Justin Trudeau's fourth term because Trudeau had taken way too many shots from his own people and couldn't be a leader anymore.
00:04:07.020 And so by having Mark Carney come in, Justin Trudeau and all of his people still basically get full control on what the government does, even as Trudeau is stepping down as prime minister and not running for re-election.
00:04:19.840 Even Trudeau's entire wedding party, all of the people who are involved in Liberal politics, who are in that famous photo carrying Justin Trudeau on his wedding day, are all endorsing Mark Carney.
00:04:30.840 Mark Miller, you have Seamus O'Regan, Gerald Butts, I believe there's a couple more there.
00:04:36.400 Nothing about this guy is real at all. And here's a great clip to prove it to you.
00:04:41.240 Here is him on the BBC talking about how he is getting briefings and keeping up to date with ministers in Trudeau's cabinet.
00:04:49.120 He's not even a member of the government.
00:04:50.620 Why is he getting special briefings and speaking to ministers when he is just some random guy who's not an elected MP just running for the Liberal Party leadership?
00:05:00.140 Does Ruby Dalla get to be informed by all this stuff? 0.81
00:05:03.020 Does Frank Bayless get to be updated?
00:05:06.060 They're also Liberal leadership candidates.
00:05:08.680 And you talked about retaliation.
00:05:11.440 You want to be prime minister in weeks.
00:05:13.620 What does that look like?
00:05:14.860 Well, the first thing is we have a lot of cards.
00:05:19.880 We're keeping them close to our chest.
00:05:22.180 We'll start playing a few.
00:05:24.720 Those decisions are for the current government.
00:05:27.220 I've been in close contact with our main negotiators, our foreign affairs minister, our finance minister who've been in Washington, our public safety minister.
00:05:35.640 Why? You shouldn't be at all.
00:05:38.060 Or at the very least, if you're privy to that information, all Canadians should probably be privy to it.
00:05:42.720 They shouldn't be leaking to you.
00:05:44.140 And if he then comes back and counters and says, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, I was the economic advisor for a while, so they're fully in their rights to keep me up to date or it's appropriate.
00:05:55.320 Well, then how are you an outsider?
00:05:56.620 Because that's the other kind of weird dichotomy that's taking place in the Mark Carney campaign.
00:06:02.120 I'm an outsider because I've never held elected office before.
00:06:05.580 Yet he is constantly around powerful people.
00:06:08.020 He is constantly acting as some sort of economic advisor or other strategist.
00:06:13.900 But no, no, no, he's an outsider, even though he has every single insider on his campaign.
00:06:18.900 That has also been down.
00:06:19.880 We will take steps.
00:06:22.760 I think it's reasonable to expect in the immediate term that we will match dollar for dollar the U.S. tariffs.
00:06:29.860 We will target our tariffs against those goods and services that will most affect the United States and least affect Canada.
00:06:39.540 But to be clear, this will have an impact on the Canadian economy and that impact will be felt more quickly and to a greater extent than the U.S.
00:06:49.560 So this is basically saying that he was already in the know about what the tariffs were going to be targeting because everyone expected it was just going to be a flat dollar for dollar tariff.
00:06:59.120 The U.S. is going to put a 25 percent tariff on our exports.
00:07:02.100 Then we're going to put a 25 percent tariff on their exports.
00:07:05.800 And so what Mark Carney is saying is that he already knew it was only going to be targeted to specific types of goods and it wasn't going to actually be full dollar for dollar.
00:07:14.980 Again, why is this man being briefed?
00:07:17.520 The only reason is because he's Trudeau's pick and they are basically giving him every piece of information, every resource he needs to beat Chrystia Freeland.
00:07:25.100 And by the way, it is not even a done deal that he's going to beat Chrystia Freeland.
00:07:28.580 There were some abacus data polls out showing he was at like 57 percent among liberal supporters.
00:07:34.800 The problem is the liberal supporter category is a bit vague because that isn't members.
00:07:40.360 Only about 400,000 Canadians have liberal memberships who can vote in the leadership.
00:07:44.400 That is what that's just like less than one percent of people currently in the country.
00:07:49.580 And not all the members are even permanent residents can regularly vote.
00:07:53.400 And so that would suggest if it's 57 percent, he's easily going to win.
00:07:58.240 But then another poll, I believe it was Angus Reid or when it might have been Nanos came out, showing that, in fact, Mark Carney is only around the mid-30s, which when there's five or six candidates, some of which who actually have very strong regional support, even though they're not big players and can throw that to Freeland.
00:08:15.800 And 36 percent is not doing so hot because he's the guy to beat.
00:08:20.640 And if you're the guy to beat, you want to be a monster.
00:08:23.520 You want to be at 50 percent.
00:08:25.300 You want to be 45 percent. 0.82
00:08:26.520 You want to be an oppressively big presence in the race where people just say, what's the point? 0.98
00:08:33.280 But Freeland's still pushing forward.
00:08:35.740 Karina Gould's still pushing forward.
00:08:37.440 Maybe she's basically there just to help Carney. 0.97
00:08:39.620 But still, Frank Bayless, Ruby Dalla could easily throw support behind Freeland.
00:08:45.620 They've already signaled that Carney is the bigger opponent in this whole race.
00:08:49.980 Jamie Batts, he dropped out and endorsed Mark Carney.
00:08:52.560 But I really doubt that does much for him.
00:08:55.000 But Canadians are in. 0.65
00:08:56.500 Sorry, I had to get pulled back up on screen.
00:09:00.060 No mood.
00:09:01.500 No mood to make any concessions here.
00:09:05.980 This is entirely unjustified.
00:09:07.780 And we have many, many other options that we don't want to deploy, but we will if we have to.
00:09:15.440 Who is like-minded here?
00:09:18.660 Who respects their trading arrangements?
00:09:21.860 Who, for example, earlier today, we made some major, proposed some major changes to our climate policy, enhancing our climate change policy, our emissions policy here in Canada.
00:09:32.840 Is this man actually going to beat Paliyev?
00:09:35.780 I think not.
00:09:37.040 But with this kind of delivery, just this comatose energy, you can't win.
00:09:42.360 The thing is that people oftentimes undervalue theatrics and politics.
00:09:48.340 This is where I find PPC people constantly point me to their platform.
00:09:51.500 Oh, the platform's so good, people should be voting for us.
00:09:54.520 And I agree that their platform's quite good in certain areas.
00:09:57.080 Some areas I don't agree with them.
00:09:58.440 And they kind of generically pretend like their platform's just the greatest and who could disagree with us.
00:10:03.420 There are things I could disagree with.
00:10:05.220 There's things I think are better than conservative platform, all that.
00:10:08.400 But the thing is, theatrics matter.
00:10:11.000 Your ability to appeal to the public seem like a larger-than-life figure that someone can say, I could see that guy being prime minister.
00:10:17.140 Mark Carney, I can't see that guy being anything but a corporate accountant.
00:10:21.020 I can't see him being anything but a middle manager.
00:10:24.460 And that's the problem.
00:10:25.160 Even Freeland, because she's been the deputy prime minister and the finance minister, she actually, as much as she's a kind of twitchy, nervous person, comes off more prime ministerial, comes off as a bigger figure.
00:10:38.980 And bigger than all of them would be Justin Trudeau, because he was the prime minister.
00:10:43.820 This is why I'm saying it would have been smarter for the liberals just to keep him around, even if you're going to lose the next election, you would have kept more support with him around.
00:10:51.200 But then even bigger than him is Pierre Polyev right now, because he's actually well-liked, unlike Trudeau.
00:10:57.460 He actually has a very unique personality that clashes with Justin Trudeau's more doofy energy.
00:11:03.420 He's very serious, but he's also very theatrical with how he talks.
00:11:07.800 He's very bombastic.
00:11:09.220 Works out well.
00:11:10.220 But then again, I go back to Carney.
00:11:12.640 Who is watching any content this guy makes?
00:11:15.080 Is anyone going to watch a Mark Carney interview, especially one that goes on for a while?
00:11:19.840 No.
00:11:20.320 It's the worst kind of seminars-type speeches I've ever seen.
00:11:25.080 It's the type of thing where people are waiting until they're allowed to go to the buffet after this guy's done talking about mergers and acquisitions.
00:11:31.780 My goodness.
00:11:32.980 Anyways, that should be it for this video, guys.
00:11:36.260 Make sure to support the channel, like this video, subscribe to the channel, leave a comment, do all that great stuff, and I'll see you guys next time.
00:11:43.460 Woo-hoo. 0.65
00:11:50.860 Woo-hoo. 0.65
00:11:51.120 Woo-hoo. 0.65
00:11:52.920 Woo-hoo. 0.65
00:11:53.960 Woo-hoo. 0.65
00:11:54.680 Woo.