The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - June 25, 2026


Carney is SCARED of Trump - Liberals ＂No Where Close＂ to Trade Deal!


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00:00:00.000 Well, Prime Minister Mark Carney finally admitted it. He is nowhere close to getting a trade deal
00:00:06.280 with the United States. This after U.S. Ambassador Pete Hoegstra went on CTV News and described how
00:00:13.440 there has basically been no real trade talks going on since October of 2025. Check out this
00:00:20.800 clip from his interview with Vashi Capellos on CTV News. Pleasure to welcome you back to our
00:00:26.020 studio. Thank you very much for making the time. It's good to be back. We are not far away from a
00:00:31.000 very significant deadline when it comes to the trade agreement between Canada, the United States
00:00:34.800 and Mexico. Do you, sir, have a gut feeling as to what will happen on July 1st? I don't think
00:00:40.780 obviously we're not anywhere close to announcing any type of a framework or an interim agreement.
00:00:47.020 I really think it's in the hands now on our side. It's going to be the president and I'm assuming
00:00:54.100 on the Canadian side. It will be the prime minister to determine what the next steps are
00:01:00.000 and directionally where we're headed. So you represent the president. The last
00:01:05.720 comments that we heard from him were kind of on the sidelines toward the end of the G7
00:01:10.780 in which he expressed, you know, I view it as possibly expiring immediately. But he also said
00:01:17.440 later on in the comments that he could end up signing it. Do you have any clarity or has the
00:01:22.100 President conveyed to you with any clarity what his position at this moment in time on Kuzma is?
00:01:26.760 The thing with Trump on Kuzma as well as the tariff issue is that he's been acting very
00:01:33.120 nonchalant about not caring if Kuzma gets renewed or not because he's trying to spur Prime Minister
00:01:38.980 Mark Carney into doing anything. But the problem is the Canadian government led by Carney is too
00:01:45.360 terrified of looking bad in front of Trump so that they think the only winning move here is to
00:01:49.880 not play at all and not engage. The tariff negotiations have stalled out since October,
00:01:55.980 and our work on Kuzma of renewing the USMCA has basically been borderline non-existent,
00:02:03.240 even though Carney basically said, well, yes, I blew past my 2025 July deadlines to get the
00:02:09.340 tariff issue result, but I'm going to package that all up in the Kuzma discussion. But they
00:02:14.100 don't want to do the Kuzma discussion. And as I've said in other videos, what they're effectively 0.89
00:02:18.860 doing is saying yes we didn't get the book report done but don't worry we'll do the book report when
00:02:22.700 we do the thesis you couldn't get the book report done why am i thinking you're going to get the
00:02:27.100 thesis done at all and it turns out shock gas they're not going to do either one we will let
00:02:32.780 the president outline with clarity exactly where he is when he's ready and prepared to make an
00:02:39.740 announcement and could that be in advance of july 1st or do you like do we have any idea on timing
00:02:45.980 of that? It could be an advance of July 1, or it could be sometime in July. I don't think it will
00:02:53.720 go into August, but I've been wrong before, and I could be wrong again. Do you have the impression
00:03:02.720 that the White House wants to get to a deal, like wants Kuzma to stick around? Well, I mean,
00:03:10.140 you know, we were very willing. We were actually kind of excited about the deal that we had in
00:03:15.040 October, where we covered five critical areas. We covered oil, we covered uranium, auto parts,
00:03:22.320 steel, and aluminum. That's a pretty good deal. We were excited about that. The president was
00:03:26.940 excited about it. I was in the October 7 meeting at the White House where the president and his
00:03:32.400 team and Prime Minister Carney and his team reached an agreement fairly quickly at 30,000
00:03:39.360 feet. This is what we're going to do. This is what we're going to do on steel. This is what
00:03:43.100 we want to do on oil um and uh that would have been that would have been awesome it really would
00:03:48.780 have put the following seven months on very very solid footing and say okay now let's start filling
00:03:57.820 in the other parts uh but as we all know that didn't happen and so how would you describe i
00:04:03.820 know for for a few months after that you you were descriptive of the status of negotiations as
00:04:09.640 lacking, right? Like that basically things fell apart and nothing really got restarted in an
00:04:14.180 official capacity. And I'm wondering if you could offer some clarity to me who has asked many
00:04:18.960 ministers for clarity from their perspective, because what we do see on the USTR's website,
00:04:23.920 for example, is official dates for talking with Mexico. We know a couple of those meetings have
00:04:27.940 already occurred. You don't see the same when it comes to bilateral meetings between Canada
00:04:32.360 and the United States. But at the same time, we do see Jameson Greer, the USTR and Minister LeBlanc
00:04:37.580 engaged in conversations at different points like how would you describe the status of talks between
00:04:43.420 canada and the united united states right now i think you know like we started off with we're
00:04:49.420 not at a point where we believe that we're close to even announcing a framework or an interim
00:04:55.100 agreement um and you know i think the next discussion again has to be a discussion between
00:05:02.780 potentially the president and the prime minister in terms of uh you know where we're headed or
00:05:09.180 you'll see the president come out and you could see the prime minister come out and just make
00:05:14.540 a statement as to this is where it's this is where we see it going and this is the direction
00:05:19.820 that i've given to my team and so what you should a lot of people like to blame the issues
00:05:26.140 on trump back in october not liking the doug ford ads being run in the united states
00:05:32.140 Canadians would never put up with it if an American Republican governor started running
00:05:37.420 anti-carny ads in Canada. We'd obviously think that was a bad thing. If Montana Governor Gianforte
00:05:45.600 even spent a million dollars on anti-carny ads, we would freak out about it, even though Doug Ford
00:05:51.620 was spending tens of millions of dollars. But I guess let's just pretend Trump's just sensitive
00:05:57.480 of or whatever, but we were close to a deal in October. And even if it fell apart because of the
00:06:03.480 Doug Ford thing, okay, eventually things were smoothed out. Why didn't we restart that October
00:06:08.700 deal? And I think it's because Carney does not want to get to a deal. I think he's been
00:06:13.000 strategically messing it up. I think him and Doug Ford have basically been just pairing off
00:06:18.380 and ticking off the Americans every once in a while to make sure that the error does not feel
00:06:24.320 clear when they go in to negotiate trade. And then when it falls apart, Carney then says,
00:06:29.300 oh, well, I guess we're going to take a seven-year break. And then he goes away. And the Americans
00:06:33.140 are sitting there saying, well, how about we talk about the thing that we were about to do
00:06:37.060 before you spat in our face? How about we go back to that now that you have at least, you know,
00:06:42.260 apologized and walked it all back? Because Carney did walk back what Doug Ford had done.
00:06:47.200 It was exposed that he absolutely knew that Doug Ford was going to run those ads, although he
00:06:51.340 pretended he didn't. And somehow we've still not gotten back to the trade negotiating table
00:06:56.360 because Carney's base doesn't want to deal because Carney's base are so rabidly anti-American
00:07:02.520 elbows up, they would see it as a surrender to even get something good for Canada, which is just
00:07:08.020 absolutely delusional. But anyways, I now want to move on to this other question that was asked
00:07:13.340 to Pete Hoekstra in the same interview about basically, I guess, I think this one's about
00:07:19.400 the sensitivities around trade and what president trump has said about canada but you you know
00:07:25.900 framed the initial comment there around um you know take taking issue with the fact that it's
00:07:31.820 being described as a rupture but you want us to refer to uh the comments from the president for
00:07:37.640 example or the way in which he's described this country as simply noise i'm presenting to you
00:07:42.880 just like when you can when you're wondering why there might be some hesitation not to further
00:07:47.200 integration or make that sales pitch um in the way you describe that that perhaps is part of it that
00:07:53.440 part of the responsibility and the onus the burden of that lies not just with canada but
00:07:58.480 specifically with the president who decided to take aim at your close friend and neighbor it's 0.97
00:08:03.280 not even close i i don't like the 51st state jokes because it's disruptive and stupid at the same 0.90
00:08:09.840 time they are nowhere in the universe as mark carney making far more of a policy declaration 0.72
00:08:15.200 that our relationship with the United States is over, that there has been a rupture in the
00:08:20.580 relationship. And then pairing that up with trying to cozy up with China, who Mark Carney said on
00:08:26.280 the debate stage was our biggest national security threat. These are very different worlds,
00:08:31.720 the comments of Trump and the comments of Mark Carney, because Trump's can actually be written
00:08:37.520 off as noise. He's kind of always joking. He says things that he doesn't mean. And then he does the
00:08:43.500 opposite when he's actually doing something in practice his rhetoric sometimes does not match
00:08:48.100 his actions harney's rhetoric has been far more like definitive and it's been paired up with
00:08:54.500 anti-american actions around howling around with china doing things the americans don't like and
00:09:00.660 now we are controlled by the americans but if you're trying to get a trade deal signed maybe
00:09:05.760 let's not constantly tell uh talk about how little we need them and then start diversifying trade
00:09:11.840 away from them as the party that supposedly was insulted by the tariffs. How about let's not
00:09:17.460 pair up with one of America's greatest enemies right now, China? Yes, they trade with China. 0.89
00:09:24.860 We trade with China. But there's a difference between doing general trade with China and
00:09:29.320 signing special deals to allow them to dump EVs in your economy that could filter into the United
00:09:34.200 States. Not taking aim at Canada. Those statements are not taking aim with all due respect,
00:09:39.140 ambassador? The taking, take a look at your economic, you know, we put tariffs on every
00:09:48.340 country in the world. We did not take aim at Canada. We took a policy that we were implementing
00:09:54.600 on a global basis that we believed we had to put in place to keep America strong and
00:10:00.940 prosperous. So, you know, there were only two countries that responded in a strongly
00:10:07.320 negative way. Okay. The rest of the world, we've negotiated trade agreements. We've worked on
00:10:14.560 frameworks and those types of things. We did not take aim at Canada. Really? And by the way,
00:10:23.440 the only two countries that responded negatively was China and Canada, not a fantastic club to be
00:10:29.640 part of. And I ask with great respect because yes, you did apply tariffs to other countries,
00:10:33.740 but you initially applied 232 fentanyl-associated tariffs to Canada,
00:10:37.900 and wherein the president, you know, did not refer to every other country
00:10:42.440 in the way that, as I cataloged, he has referred to Canada.
00:10:46.300 I understand that you're upset with the response that Canada made.
00:10:49.300 I'm not upset. I'm not upset. It doesn't bother me.
00:10:51.320 Okay, you don't view the response from Canada positively,
00:10:54.280 but from where I sit, it seems like you're frustrated with the idea
00:10:57.440 that when Canada got punched, they didn't just lay there.
00:11:00.260 that you know canada can have whatever response it wants i would say that like as well the canada's
00:11:08.700 had supply management tariffs mostly targeted at the united states for decades now the american
00:11:15.440 tariffs right now are bigger granted absolutely i don't like tariffs but i always hate the way
00:11:21.700 that liberal canada sees anything that happens between the united states and canada as always
00:11:26.640 originating from the U.S. It doesn't matter what we do. It doesn't matter if we've been messing up
00:11:30.880 the negotiations. It doesn't matter that we've been unnecessarily provocative right before we're
00:11:35.560 supposed to sign a document and then we just run away and never return to the table. It's always
00:11:39.800 that the Americans said something first or they did something first. It's like, okay, this is an
00:11:44.700 incredibly unproductive way to actually get to a deal signing. Again, I don't think the liberals
00:11:50.320 actually want to do that. And now right here, we have Prime Minister Mark Carney being asked about
00:11:56.140 that Hoogstra interview and effectively admitting that, yes, we aren't close to getting a trade
00:12:00.360 deal signed because he echoes the same thing that Hoogstra said about how, well, you know,
00:12:04.860 something could happen all of a sudden, but not actually giving details about if talks are going
00:12:09.460 well. Ambassador Hoogstra told CTV News on Tuesday that Canada and the U.S. aren't, quote,
00:12:14.860 anywhere close in terms of a deal. You just spoke with the president yesterday. Do you agree?
00:12:19.700 uh what i've seen with the president um is that you're not close to make a deal and then you make
00:12:31.300 a deal i've seen that in different it doesn't mean the deals are good we're not close to a deal
00:12:36.100 that's basically what he's saying there he's basically saying well it doesn't matter because
00:12:39.840 sometimes trump makes up his mind quickly that means that we aren't even anywhere in the universe
00:12:44.500 of actually getting a deal done.
00:12:46.540 And again, I'm not saying that he should have signed something ASAP.
00:12:50.760 I'm saying that where's the updates?
00:12:52.880 Where, what are the sticking points?
00:12:54.320 I've been asking this for over a year now.
00:12:56.760 What do they want?
00:12:58.200 What do we want?
00:12:59.660 What are we willing to give up?
00:13:01.040 What are they willing to give up?
00:13:02.320 What are we going to threaten?
00:13:03.420 Are we playing hardball in any way?
00:13:04.760 Are we even in the room?
00:13:06.520 Because it seems like people like Dominic LeBlanc
00:13:09.400 and our other trade representatives,
00:13:11.060 when they go down there,
00:13:11.920 just probably chat with mid-level people who aren't decision makers and then we come back to
00:13:17.400 Canada and whenever people are asked we're like oh well you know we can't disclose how things are
00:13:21.600 going but you know we're talking to them and then the Americans say yeah they showed up and they
00:13:25.360 basically said nothing to us and then they left and it's like can I have any confidence that we're
00:13:30.240 actually good even can we is there anyone in there banging the table I don't even care if they're
00:13:35.740 being like obstructionistic. They're being obtuse. I don't care what they're doing. Are they even
00:13:42.860 asking for anything? Are they demanding anything? Are they conceding anything? Because right now
00:13:48.600 it feels like with the Americans, they probably have a list of wants and we're like completely
00:13:53.900 ignoring those wants, hoping that one day the Americans just give us a zero tariff, like tariff
00:14:00.780 free trade into the United States, but we're going to keep all of our supply management stuff
00:14:04.100 and we're going to keep our China deal and we're going to keep everything else that they don't like
00:14:07.860 around trying to block American media products and all of our issues around censorship bills
00:14:13.460 that they don't like and the taxes that we keep almost putting on their companies and pulling
00:14:17.600 back the last second because even we realize that the digital services tax and the streaming tax 0.95
00:14:22.920 was really dumb. But like I have no insight into what is actually happening. And I don't even think
00:14:28.860 the Carney has any insight to what's happening because it seems like nothing's happening.
00:14:32.960 deals but it means being prepared uh having done the work knowing what you want um
00:14:39.920 so both things can be true both things can be true in fact actually only one thing can be true
00:14:48.860 there's no progress saying that well there could be rapid progress at some point does not change
00:14:54.400 that no progress has occurred but what do i know maybe i'm just not a liberal trade expert
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