The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - April 28, 2026


Carney OUTPLAYED by Trump - Looks desperate on CBC trying to make excuses!


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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel. 0.91
00:00:06.560 Mark Carney is looking really dumb these days. You can tell the Prime Minister and the Liberals
00:00:12.640 know they've been outplayed by U.S. President Donald Trump on trade, because suddenly Carney
00:00:18.580 is doing very stage-managed interviews with the CBC to talk about this very topic he has been
00:00:25.720 trying to avoid for months. In fact, remember, conservative party leader Pierre Polyev was
00:00:31.600 really starting to get under Carney's skin by constantly bringing up the U.S. trade issue,
00:00:37.180 making suggestions to Carney, asking for updates, and he doesn't want to talk about it because it's
00:00:42.700 not going very well for him, especially recently. Now, I just want to set the stage of what Carney
00:00:49.680 thought was going to happen and what is currently happening, and then we will be getting into this
00:00:55.140 interview with the CBC and some other stuff going on with the CBC. But before I get into all that,
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00:01:26.420 All the content is meant to be free, and I do not want someone putting themselves under financial 0.97
00:01:31.160 stress by contributing to this. Anyways, so before we get into this interview, Mark Carney
00:01:38.240 is a guy who thinks a lot of himself. He believes that he is a genius, and no doubt Mark Carney is
00:01:46.280 a smart guy. He's gone to some very difficult schools to get into. The problem is, is that
00:01:52.160 some smart people, just to start assuming everyone around them is stupid, and that's what Carney did 1.00
00:01:57.620 with Trump. He thinks he is miles more intelligent than Donald Trump, and so he invented a scenario 1.00
00:02:04.180 in his head, and because he's smart and Trump's dumb, he assumed that his invented scenario was 0.99
00:02:09.360 what was going to happen on trade. Carney thought he was going to wait out Donald Trump, push Donald 0.99
00:02:15.480 Trump really close to the midterm elections in the United States, where the Republicans
00:02:20.280 could lose and have the House and the Senate go Democrat, and that Trump, to save himself,
00:02:26.880 was suddenly going to sign a really lopsided deal in favor of Canada, just so he could say
00:02:32.360 he got a trade deal signed with Canada right before the midterms. Okay, I guess that happens
00:02:40.240 if every single player in the scenario acts exactly as Carney wants them to play.
00:02:46.140 But no, Trump, in fact, as Carney was sitting there sluggishly not moving negotiations forward,
00:02:52.420 his trade minister, Dominic LeBlanc, was showing up to meetings with other trade representatives for Canada,
00:02:58.140 unwilling to make any concessions, not really even making any demands,
00:03:01.440 and just wasting their time in coffee meetings since October. 0.92
00:03:05.840 Trump decided, hey, I don't need the carny liberals to negotiate with. 0.89
00:03:10.700 I can just go directly to Canadian steel and aluminum companies and say, hey, if you sap shop in Ohio with your next venture, I'll eliminate all tariffs on anything coming from your Canadian branch into the United States. 0.87
00:03:25.480 So if you are a steel or aluminum mill somewhere in southern Ontario, you can send your products into the U.S. tariff free.
00:03:34.320 if you say your next $200 million expansion is going to be in Ohio or Georgia or North or South
00:03:40.960 Carolina or Idaho, wherever steel and aluminum plants typically are set up in the US.
00:03:46.780 That was really smart. And it's really enticing. Carney knows that Trump has completely outmaneuvered
00:03:53.500 him. He thought he was just going to sit there and then Trump was going to eventually break and
00:03:56.900 get desperate. That's not happening. And so now Carney is having to go on to the CBC. And again,
00:04:03.680 I say it's a very staged interview because the whole thing is it's allowing Carney to try and
00:04:08.920 give himself a glow up here. In this interview, he needs to justify why there's no deal. They
00:04:15.800 don't talk about it right away. It's kind of deeper in the interview. Suddenly, we start
00:04:19.440 getting questions about why there is no deal yet and why, Carney, are you too principled of a 0.98
00:04:25.800 prime minister to get a deal with that big, evil, nasty man, Donald Trump? That's kind of like the 0.97
00:04:31.620 feel of what's going on here. Because again, Carney needs you to buy his excuse for why he's
00:04:37.940 failed so bad. He's only doing this interview because he's failing. If his plan was working,
00:04:43.160 he wouldn't even address it. He would go radio silence. But because now Trump is undermining
00:04:48.720 him and outplaying him, suddenly he needs to do a team huddle and say, hey guys, I know it's
00:04:53.520 looking bad, but don't worry. I'm just trying to make sure that we don't sign a small deal or we
00:04:59.060 don't look we don't become desperate and sign something bad for Canadians but but here's this
00:05:04.620 interview with the CBC you talked a few times about having conversations with President Trump
00:05:10.760 so it was interesting that the U.S. Trade Representative Jameson Greer not that long ago
00:05:15.420 he was on a Capitol Hill hearing and he said that when it comes to sectoral tariff relief
00:05:20.600 that is a personal decision for the president to make how does that sit with you uh I well
00:05:28.840 Well, I obviously defer to Ambassador Greer in terms of exactly how those decisions are made.
00:05:35.100 It doesn't, I didn't see the actual testimony, but I'll comment.
00:05:39.880 It doesn't totally surprise me.
00:05:41.780 I mean, the president has very strong and very long held views in certain areas, certain sectors, automobiles and steel as two examples.
00:05:52.540 There are more than that, where his view is, I'm going to simplify, but basically should be produced in the United States.
00:05:59.640 Now, our view, the view of the Mexicans, the view of most businesses in those areas and workers in unions is,
00:06:06.200 well, actually, the combination of our three countries makes those industries, the U.S. industry, more competitive.
00:06:13.460 We're all better off together.
00:06:16.720 Obviously, there's a tension there.
00:06:19.420 You're talking about a logical thing, though.
00:06:21.500 You're talking about a rational explanation.
00:06:23.060 Well, no, I'm saying the president.
00:06:24.500 See, what they're trying to do here is, again, the CBC wants to help Carney set this whole thing up like Trump's unreasonable.
00:06:32.380 You're just too logical to get a trade deal because he's talking about, oh, you know, other than Donald Trump,
00:06:38.680 everyone agrees that we need to, you know, all work together and that the only way that this industry runs is by having, you know,
00:06:47.000 different aspects of the industry in Canada, the United States, and Mexico. It's like, okay,
00:06:53.880 that's great. That's a great thought. So how about you negotiate on this basis to try and get the
00:07:01.120 tariffs off? How about you do something to push him so that you can actually protect that three-way
00:07:08.060 trade, sort of that three-way kind of industry that you're describing? The problem is that
00:07:12.620 Carney wants to sound credible on this issue, but we're never getting to the point of saying,
00:07:17.440 okay, well, you sound really good on this. How about you go to him with that? But the problem
00:07:22.500 is that Carney needs to basically paint a picture with the help of the CBC that he's too unreasonable
00:07:27.640 to deal with. Even though Trump is the only one actually taking moves, he's the only one taking
00:07:32.980 actions by going to the Canadian companies directly because they're not being properly
00:07:37.940 represented by the prime minister. That's the problem we have here. He is not actually
00:07:43.320 representing anything to Donald Trump. He's not making any moves. And so because he's been flat
00:07:49.220 footed for so long, Trump is cutting him out of the whole negotiating process and doing his own
00:07:54.700 thing. Notice how Carney's not doing that. He's not going to American companies. He's not going
00:07:59.400 to American senators and Congress people to basically cut Trump out of the process because
00:08:04.040 he can't do it because carney is the one who is the problem here then has a view then i'm giving
00:08:09.000 the rash i'm not saying they're not the same but might be um the but there's that snarky joke to
00:08:16.300 pretend like again oh he's just so reasonable and the americans are so unreasonable that's why carney
00:08:22.420 has refused to tell us what his actual strategy is because he is it's too logical for any of you
00:08:27.640 to understand you're talking about rational explanation no i'm saying the president has a
00:08:31.600 view, then I'm giving the rationale. I'm not saying they're not the same, but might be. But
00:08:37.620 is the president going to be the decision maker on major trade issues? Absolutely. I think the
00:08:43.260 president is the decision maker on, well, he's the decision maker, full stop, on these issues
00:08:49.520 and all other issues. I guess what I'm curious about, though, is if the rational conversation
00:08:53.860 and explanation for why they should be removed isn't landing, do you see it as your personal
00:09:00.960 responsibility to convince him personally that canada deserves some sectoral tariff relief
00:09:08.160 this country needs a deal on that quick uh we need a good deal in the right time okay we need
00:09:16.160 can the right time be like sooner than later because he previously said the deadline to get
00:09:21.840 a good deal was at the end of july last year and you'll notice that it's april 28 2026
00:09:30.960 So when did it go from we can get a good deal by the end of July to, well, we need a good deal and the timeline is TBD.
00:09:41.060 We don't know one.
00:09:42.500 Someday.
00:09:43.780 Sorry, but part of a good deal is a quick deal because right now industry is suffering from the current tariffs and sitting around waiting for the perfect deal is just allowing the pain to set in harder.
00:09:55.800 You need a good deal in the right time.
00:09:57.020 And what we don't need is chasing a deal or chasing a small deal that disadvantages us for the bigger deal.
00:10:06.500 And we're ready to sit down.
00:10:09.240 We could sit down this afternoon and hammer the whole thing out over the course of the next 10 days if the U.S. side, which has other things to do, I acknowledge that, had the bandwidth and the inclination to go through it.
00:10:21.140 We could hammer it all out.
00:10:22.200 We know exactly what the issues is.
00:10:22.820 On tariffs.
00:10:23.600 Yep.
00:10:23.760 We know, you know, it takes two, but it takes two to negotiate it through.
00:10:29.720 And they're not all the way there.
00:10:32.120 Is the setback just at the Oval Office?
00:10:34.480 I mean, if these.
00:10:36.120 The Americans have been very clear that the setback is Carney and the Canadian negotiating team being unwilling to actually negotiate.
00:10:45.100 Because as soon as certain things are brought up, like supply management, it shuts down.
00:10:49.140 Canadian negotiating team is not actually allowed to make any concessions. They're not allowed to
00:10:54.760 make any demands either. Basically, unless they get perfection, they're not allowed to make any
00:10:59.080 demands different than whatever Carney wants. All they can basically do is say, we should have
00:11:03.020 zero tariffs. And then the Americans can be like, okay, well, we can kind of trade tariffs where if
00:11:09.560 you remove supply management tariffs, we will remove this other tariff on autos or steel or
00:11:15.580 soft lumber. The problem is we can't get there. He's claiming now, oh, we could hammer the whole
00:11:19.560 thing out in 10 days. Why haven't you? Because every time the Americans are asked what the
00:11:24.200 holdup is, they are detailed. When Canadian trade representatives like Trade Minister
00:11:29.860 Dominic LeBlanc are asked what the holdup is, it becomes vague. Well, we're having conversations.
00:11:35.140 Well, I wouldn't necessarily agree there has been no work done since October. I've talked to my
00:11:40.140 counterparts many times about what about what that's the problem they can say what's going on
00:11:47.400 they can give details our people can't give details because they're clearly not in the right
00:11:51.780 ear but now carney is pretending like oh no i'm so smart i can hammer out a deal in about five
00:11:55.880 minutes and 20 you know five minutes and 20 22 seconds uh but car trump uh he doesn't want to
00:12:02.000 do it he's busy even though trump's complaint is that carney doesn't want to negotiate if you're
00:12:07.460 ready to sit down right now and hammer it. We've been ready. Look, we have we exchange ideas.
00:12:13.960 There's engagement. There's engagement this week. There's engagement today, actually,
00:12:17.980 at a very senior level, not me and the president, but a very senior level.
00:12:22.940 So these these define engagement, define it. A coffee meeting, because that's not engagement.
00:12:29.640 And that's what it sounds like has been going on. Again, just a meetings are taking place.
00:12:34.560 He even promised that he was going to give updates along the way, and we've never gotten one update.
00:12:40.840 Conversation going on.
00:12:41.700 But there's a, you know, in the end, there's going to need to be a real sprint, if you will, for the deal.
00:12:48.560 And when that firing gun is set, if I can use the analogy, it remains to be seen.
00:12:56.260 We don't have the starter pistol.
00:12:59.780 What we are doing, though, again, go back to earlier.
00:13:02.800 We've got to do more than one thing.
00:13:03.900 we got to do multiple things. We got to focus on affordability. We've got to deepen those
00:13:07.040 relationships abroad. Some of that's about security and a lot. This is nothing. He's going
00:13:14.280 into nothing. He doesn't actually have anything to say on trade. So he does a drive by shooting on it
00:13:20.060 by claiming we could get it done super fast. You know, Trump has his own perspective on trade.
00:13:25.220 And then there's the rational perspective. Oh, I'm not saying that Trump's irrational,
00:13:29.580 but you know what I mean and then going into like again implying that the U.S. is the problem
00:13:35.340 but at the same time though I'm not in any hurry to make a deal oh I'm not desperate I'm not chasing
00:13:39.820 a small deal it sounds like you don't know what your position on this is I'm sorry is the deal
00:13:48.560 10 minutes 10 days away from being signed but the Americans won't commit to actually getting it done
00:13:53.720 or are you the one not chasing a small deal as you're saying it because he's saying two
00:13:59.380 different things he's trying to make himself sound like speedy gonzalez here and that he can get it
00:14:03.440 done super fast asap all of at the same time uh americans are dragging their feet and they don't
00:14:08.160 want to and also i'm not chasing a deal i'm not chasing you i i could do it right now i i could
00:14:12.980 be like there and back deal deal done but i don't want to chase anything guys like oh my goodness
00:14:19.240 now i just wanted to bring you guys to a cbc segment that happened in the aftermath of this
00:14:25.080 where, as you would expect, you have the CBC panel here, minus the one conservative who's
00:14:32.840 actually conservative on this one. I believe it's Kate Harrison or Katie Harrison, all making
00:14:38.080 excuses wall to wall on why it doesn't really matter that Carney has been failing on his one
00:14:43.680 big election promise. Trump's unreasonable, to which I always ask, why promise that you can get
00:14:50.140 a deal with him done then it's almost like you know that's not true you're the one that's the
00:14:55.220 problem and getting the deal signed but here's the cbc segment well um look we just had 28 minutes
00:15:00.620 kate of of a liberal prime minister talking to the cbc so i'm going to go to the opposition
00:15:04.100 conservative point of view here now what did you make of what you heard from mark kearney there
00:15:08.320 let's start with the end where he's talking about canada u.s and where things are with uh with the
00:15:12.880 president what do you make of that yeah i i think it is a decent overview of where we currently sit
00:15:18.240 The prime minister has a very professorial way of speaking.
00:15:22.260 He really likes to add context.
00:15:24.000 I noticed a few times in that interview, he was saying, let me take a step back and let
00:15:27.900 me provide a little bit more rationale, which is a delicate way of not answering a direct
00:15:32.880 question.
00:15:33.860 I mean, I think if this could really be sorted out in a matter of days with both parties
00:15:38.820 coming to the table, the prime minister is opening himself up to some questions about,
00:15:43.480 OK, well, then what has taken so long and why has there been this drag?
00:15:47.460 Like there was all this fervor back in the spring and into the summer about being able to secure a deal.
00:15:52.280 I believe it was for July 1st, and then there was a second deadline.
00:15:55.540 And so, you know, if it can really be something that is sorted out quickly, then what is the current actual status of those negotiations?
00:16:05.060 So, you know, I think that he's playing to his audience in terms of talking about the unpredictability of the president, and that is, you know, he's fair to do that.
00:16:13.420 But as we approach July 1 and, you know, if things are really just a matter of bandwidth, that's to use his term on both sides, surely our government should be should be willing to find that bandwidth.
00:16:24.520 Yeah. And again, sorry. And I do not preview these segments when I play another media segment on like the CBC or CTV.
00:16:31.660 I'll watch a little bit of it to make sure it is about the thing I want to be about.
00:16:35.260 I have not seen what Kate Harrison's response was. And as a another conservative, a fellow
00:16:40.540 conservative, the fact that we both have like one to one, the same interpretation of that.
00:16:45.880 And I didn't even preview this, the Mark Carney interview. Exactly. I knew there was a couple
00:16:50.380 of things he said during it. And I just queued up the clip to where he was talking about Trump
00:16:54.780 and trade. That's why sometimes the clips go on a bit long because I'm not only clipping him
00:16:59.140 in like 10 seconds. I'll let you listen to him for an entire minute or more.
00:17:02.980 The fact that both of us understood what he was doing there was trying to prime his base to being okay with no trade deal because he's so unreasonable and he's illogical says something about how obvious what the prime minister is currently doing here.
00:17:17.940 And also, she makes a good point about the bandwidth.
00:17:21.340 I don't think I talked enough about the bandwidth.
00:17:23.700 You can't say like, oh, well, we have a lot of stuff we're doing on affordability, on international relations,
00:17:29.300 and the president and his administration has their own stuff occupying their time.
00:17:33.880 Find the time.
00:17:34.780 If it's so important, find the time.
00:17:36.520 If you're not finding the time, it's because it's not important to you.
00:17:40.080 And that's kind of ironic because it was your one big promise.
00:17:44.180 In fact, he put more effort into signing deals with China, the country you said was our biggest national security threat, than our southern neighbor and closest ally, the United States of America.
00:17:55.180 But his base of elbows-up voters do not want to hear that Trump's reasonable, and to sign a deal would be to indicate that he's reasonable, and they wouldn't like that, and so Carney's having to play to the business liberals by pretending he's still trying to get a deal.
00:18:08.940 At the same time, he's trying to never get a deal signed so that the elbows-up liberals don't get upset.
00:18:14.180 But anyways, let's go back to the panel so we can hear some liberals make some excuses.
00:18:20.380 So on that, to give sort of a precision on some of the quotes here, he said, we could sit down this afternoon and hammer the whole thing out over the course of the next 10 days.
00:18:28.880 If the US side, which has other things to do, I acknowledge, if they had the bandwidth and the inclination to go through it, we could hammer it all out.
00:18:35.300 But then he sort of backstops that with the point he made that unless the deal is aligned and bought into by the US, it's not clear that they will respect it, right?
00:18:42.460 So it's it's threading both of those needles at the same time, it seems, is the challenge here.
00:18:47.700 Yeah, absolutely. It just sounds like, frankly, that the U.S. doesn't want to negotiate right now or in the way I read it is negotiate on their terms.
00:18:56.620 I think there's some issues that the U.S. has that Canada won't hold on, which is like supply management, for example.
00:19:02.020 So I think the point is, if we went to them and said, we're ready to negotiate on your terms, they're ready to come to the table.
00:19:07.780 they say sure i think what the prime minister is trying to say is that unless they were negotiating
00:19:13.460 in the way they want to negotiate you know it's not going to happen but if if they're willing to
00:19:17.740 be equal partners here but is there any evidence of this other than what the prime minister said
00:19:23.060 and of course vandana katter here used to be an advisor as the little uh sign underneath her name
00:19:29.860 previously said she was an advisor to former prime minister justin trudeau i'm sorry there we don't
00:19:35.600 have evidence that the problem here is the Americans. They're detailed when describing
00:19:41.280 the holdup, that Carney and the liberals don't want to make any concessions. They don't want to
00:19:46.680 look weak. They don't want to actually be able to, they don't want to horse trade about what
00:19:52.220 they're willing to give up to get the US to budge on stuff. They always describe the friction.
00:19:58.600 The Canadian side never describes the friction. We just kind of make vague insinuations that
00:20:02.540 they're not reasonable, and that's it. But the thing is, it's the CBC, so everyone on the panel
00:20:06.920 is just going to eat up the Prime Minister's narrative, except for Kate Harrison. And come
00:20:12.520 to compromise on things that we care about, then yeah, we can come to the table and hammer it out.
00:20:16.940 Brad, how do you view the assessment there, the summary, the diagnosis, as Kate called it?
00:20:21.980 Yeah, it's interesting. And I'm getting the sense here that there's no sense of rush,
00:20:27.400 that time is actually on Canada's side as opposed to on the U.S.'s side.
00:20:32.640 We have a president who is very distracted.
00:20:34.780 I found it interesting when the prime minister was saying, you know,
00:20:38.540 when we have a meal after the press conference in the Oval Office,
00:20:42.580 first thing was, what should I do in Iran?
00:20:44.620 Clearly, the president of the United States is distracted.
00:20:47.600 And while Kuzma seems to be a main focus of the government of Canada right now,
00:20:52.240 it certainly is not the only focus of the government of the United States.
00:20:55.540 So time is on our hands.
00:20:56.700 we're looking at obviously uh the review dates i think that we've i think we've collectively
00:21:01.340 recognized that we're going to pass through some of these dates the july uh first uh deadline if
00:21:06.700 you will uh is not going to pass and i think they're setting they're lowering the expectation
00:21:10.380 saying that's not that's not a a death knell uh at all and of course the midterms i think is is is
00:21:16.540 on has to be on a lot of republicans minds right now because um the polling is not advantageous
00:21:21.660 to the republicans so a lot of actually the polling is perfectly fine for the republicans
00:21:25.660 the party who has the presidency usually in the midterms always doesn't do very well in the polls
00:21:30.900 up to that point. And the Republican, the Democrat lead right now is actually way lower than it
00:21:36.340 usually is in previous midterm cycles when the Republicans are in power. But still, is no one
00:21:42.160 going to bring up the thing the CBC reported on itself in news articles that Trump is going to go
00:21:47.400 to the steel and aluminum companies himself? The thing is that Trump is not on the same timeline
00:21:53.740 that Carney and the left, the NDP and the liberals think that they're on, he's on his own timeline.
00:21:59.820 He can go to the American people and say, hey, I got six different Canadian steel and aluminum
00:22:04.040 companies valued at X billion amount of dollars, saying that they will now invest X billion amount
00:22:09.560 of dollars into the U.S. over the next four years in order to get tariffs off. And the first new
00:22:15.180 expansion is going to be by November of this year. You know, something, something steel is now going
00:22:21.240 to be in North Carolina or whatever. He can do that. What's Carney going to do? Get like Ben
00:22:27.860 and Jerry's to make an expansion into Canada? We don't have anything we can do to leverage
00:22:32.780 against Donald Trump right now. The economy sucks. And the thing is that we will not lower 0.98
00:22:39.640 taxes and regulations to gain leverage on the Americans. Our economy is sluggish. And so we
00:22:46.140 have no leverage we can use against Trump. We have no way of basically enticing Americans to come
00:22:50.800 over into the Canadian economy and set up shop here instead of the U.S. Distractions in the
00:22:57.560 South. And so I think that what we're hearing from the prime minister today in the interview is
00:23:01.260 more of just this is we're in we're in no rush. Yeah, I read his point about the or his story
00:23:10.420 about the first question being about Iran. I think that was like last May, like right after
00:23:13.840 the election, the first trip to the Oval Office. And this is something that has been on Trump's
00:23:17.540 mind since the 80s seemingly so uh that was an interesting little little nugget of insight there
00:23:22.880 into just how top it's really not that insightful because remember last may was like a couple months
00:23:28.260 before the the strikes on iran's nuclear program and trump's well known to ask everyone their
00:23:34.640 opinion on everything he'll ask random janitors in the white house what they think about certain
00:23:39.480 policies he just likes to ask what people think about different things that's kind of
00:23:43.360 One of his people skills, frankly, is that he likes to hear what average people say
00:23:48.060 or people who are in high positions like the prime minister of another country.
00:23:52.820 You know, kind of the opposite of Mark Carney, who tends to want to check your credentials
00:23:57.840 and what university you went to before he wonders what your opinion is.
00:24:02.120 It is at the president's mental checklist.
00:24:04.700 Emily, what were your thoughts on what we heard there from the prime minister
00:24:07.440 on the Canada-U.S. stuff in particular?
00:24:10.860 Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned Iran.
00:24:13.360 think that's the thing that struck me the most in this interview is that because the Canada-US
00:24:19.440 relationship is so strained you know one of the the words that came up the the the most is you
00:24:26.800 know we're taking a pragmatic approach is is one of his key lines and it works well when it comes
00:24:32.720 to explaining how do you negotiate with Trump and and the KUSMA deal and why is it that it's
00:24:39.680 it's not necessarily a good way to have it now so when there's a clear economic interest
00:24:43.660 it's a way of discussing things that that work but uh if you look at the other segments of the
00:24:50.960 interview when it was question a question would be around when it was uh the question was posed
00:24:56.140 to you know we're now speaking to these other countries in the gulf we're now speaking to
00:25:00.960 this is nothing the interview that everyone was asked about trade and everyone under everyone
00:25:08.300 understandably from a certain perspective on the left in this panel david cochran the host
00:25:14.420 and the the former trudeau advisor the former ndp guy and then that lady from montreal they all
00:25:21.900 want to talk about anything but the actual trade issue with the united states because it's become
00:25:27.780 it's actually now becoming a bad issue for carney this is one of his best issues and it's now
00:25:32.860 becoming a bad issue because it turns out carney believing he's the smartest man in the room
00:25:37.480 didn't really work out when he just assumed that Trump was going to sit there flat-footed just
00:25:42.380 because Carney hoped that he would do that. It wasn't going to happen. Trump is a dealmaker.
00:25:47.500 He will make a deal with somebody else if you don't want to make a deal. And they can keep
00:25:51.900 implying that Trump is unreasonable, but when he's the one actually racking up trade deals and you
00:25:57.100 aren't, you're getting trade deals with Indonesia and he's getting trade deals with the rest of the
00:26:01.520 world who's who's the one being unreasonable here carney's being outplayed and he doesn't want to
00:26:08.060 admit it and so now he's trying to salt the landscape with all the excuses for why it didn't
00:26:14.700 work out oh i just have too logical of a view on trade and he doesn't let's say his view isn't
00:26:20.460 logical on trade it really doesn't matter let's just say he's illogical adapt try and meet him
00:26:27.620 try and see where he's coming from and try and appeal to that try and figure out how you get
00:26:33.500 into how you get trump to say yes to something it can't just be like i don't like his term so i'm
00:26:38.640 not talking to him well he is the country of 340 million people and we're a country of 40 million
00:26:43.820 people i'm sorry i don't think that we're gonna be we're gonna be able to force trump to walk
00:26:48.520 across the dance floor to ask us to come dancing with him i think we're gonna have to probably make
00:26:53.620 a move here. Anyways, with all that being said, thank you guys for watching this video. I will
00:26:58.820 be back probably tomorrow. I want to talk about Carney's new Canada Strong Fund. This is really
00:27:07.020 ridiculous. We're in massive amounts of debt and we have a massive deficit, but this is the perfect 0.87
00:27:12.120 time to try and start a sovereign wealth fund purely through more debt, really demonstrating
00:27:19.300 the economic know-how of Mr. Carney right now anyways so that should be that should be it for
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