The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - September 15, 2025


Carney will have a Liberal MP resign on him!

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Wyatt Clunis back in the studio to discuss PM Mark Carney potentially losing a Liberal MP who may resign to run for the Ontario Liberal leadership, and why that s a good thing. Also, Bonnie Crombie survived her leadership review with 57% of the vote, which is below the threshold needed for her to remain in the job.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. It's great to be back in the studio again. If you only started
00:00:06.800 watching me in the past three days, I promise you most of my videos don't look like I've been
00:00:11.920 taken hostage. That's just a consequence of me filming when I'm on the road. And by the way,
00:00:17.760 thank you to everyone who was able to show up to the 1BC inaugural town hall in Abbotsford.
00:00:23.680 We had 175 people show up, which is hilarious because BC Conservative leader John Rustad,
00:00:31.260 when he had his free barbecue and leadership review the week before we were there, only had
00:00:36.720 80 people show up, and that's including some of his staff members. But that's not why you guys
00:00:42.900 clicked on the video today. We need to discuss Prime Minister Mark Carney potentially losing a
00:00:49.120 Liberal MP who may resign to run for Ontario Liberal leadership. This has been kind of a
00:00:56.380 long time coming. Everyone knows that MP Nate Erskine-Smith is extremely unhappy sitting in
00:01:04.700 the Liberal caucus. Mark Carney doesn't like him, he does not like Mark Carney, and he actually has
00:01:10.520 a very good reason to not like Mark Carney because Mark Carney betrayed him pretty hard. But I'm going
00:01:16.180 to take this from the top with you guys, go through the whole story, and the likelihood that we are
00:01:21.120 going to have Nate Erskine-Smith run for the Ontario Liberal leadership and just leave federal
00:01:26.600 politics permanently. But before we get into it, I just want to remind you guys, hey, if you like the
00:01:32.480 video, make sure to leave a like on this video. Or if you like the channel, leave a like on this
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00:01:41.960 subscriber. I'm trying to hit 100,000 by mid-December of this year and leave a comment on what you think
00:01:47.980 about the situation. So you guys, I really do film these things live, and I had that quiver in my heart
00:01:54.380 feeling like, oh goodness, am I going to have to restart the video once again and film from the top
00:01:58.880 because that's how these things are made. But let's get over to what's happening with the Ontario
00:02:04.600 Liberal Party. Bonnie Crombie technically survived her leadership review. It says here,
00:02:11.800 breaking, Bonnie Crombie has survived her leadership review with 57% of the vote. That's below the
00:02:17.540 threshold of support the new Leaf Liberal set for her to remain in the job. More to come. Now, the new
00:02:23.280 Leaf Liberals are like the more progressive-y, you know, Green Party, NDP-ish type Liberals who ended up
00:02:30.940 voting for the Ontario Liberals in the last election. You know, the pro-proportional representation type
00:02:37.080 of provincial Liberals. Now, it shouldn't be shocking that after having 57% of people in her
00:02:44.580 own party only willing to support her, she ended up resigning. You know, she put out some generic
00:02:50.080 statement. I've talked with my friends, I've talked with my family, I've talked with my colleagues,
00:02:54.560 and I believe that the best path forward for me, the province, and the party is for it to step down
00:03:00.420 and have a leadership race. I do hope one day we have the leadership story arc. I was hoping it was
00:03:08.600 going to happen with Justin Trudeau, and then I was hoping it was going to happen with Bonnie Crombie,
00:03:12.580 that if someone ever fails in a leadership review, and technically you only need 50% plus one,
00:03:18.740 but really you need like 75% at the minimum in most leadership reviews to be able to stick around,
00:03:24.340 because if you can't get a good portion of your own people on side, your own members on side,
00:03:29.480 how are you ever going to actually win a general election? But I'm waiting for the day that someone
00:03:34.120 resigns, and then they run for leader again. They're like, if you want it, you come and take
00:03:38.640 it from me, you piles of rat filth. Come and, you know, just holding up two knives at the same time 0.99
00:03:45.000 that you're announcing you're running again. It's like, it's crumpy 2.0, guys, come and take it from
00:03:50.520 me. I want that one day. But alas, that doesn't look like it's going to happen. But now let's
00:03:57.220 jump over to Nate Erskine-Smith. Now, you'll remember, or maybe you won't because it was a
00:04:04.160 bit of a fly-by-night moment. Nate Erskine-Smith was one of the liberal MPs like Sean Fraser and
00:04:11.220 Anita Anand, who had announced in sort of the later days of 2024 that they aren't running again,
00:04:17.540 because the liberals were like 20 points down in the polls. Not only were the liberals not going
00:04:23.380 to get re-elected to government at the time, but the liberal MPs, some of these people, even in safe
00:04:29.600 ridings in the GTA or in Nova Scotia, were not going to be able to even win re-election. So a lot of
00:04:36.420 them were planning on dropping out. And then when Mark Carney became the leader, he ended up trying to
00:04:42.440 bring people back into the fold, wanting their name recognition and their incumbent status,
00:04:47.540 to help boost up his numbers. And so he ended up attracting all of these different people back.
00:04:53.180 Now, Sean Fraser was already a minister, but it was kind of also seen that he was so incompetent as
00:04:59.520 both the immigration minister and the housing minister that he's probably best left outside
00:05:05.040 a cabinet. But Carney wanted his supposed star power, and maybe he doesn't. That's sad in that part of
00:05:11.540 Nova Scotia that Sean Fraser has star power. But Sean Fraser was let back in and that he would be
00:05:17.280 made the attorney general at some point. Anita Anand came back, and she later became the foreign affairs
00:05:22.700 minister. I believe she was defense before. Nate Erskine-Smith had never been anything, I believe,
00:05:28.800 above some sort of committee member or parliamentary secretary. He's this very left liberal, vegan,
00:05:36.200 environmental guy, super pro-Gaza. Really, he's just pro-Hamas. He'll just make as many excuses for 0.68
00:05:42.860 Hamas violence as humanly possible, calling for boycotts of Israel and stuff like that.
00:05:47.100 But if I was to rate his political prowess, I would actually say that if you're rating skill in
00:05:54.220 politics, I'd put Nate Erskine-Smith at a solid A-. He's quite good. He can be sensitive. He freaks out
00:06:01.140 of people who question him sometimes. But he's one of these people like Michelle Rempel. He's very good
00:06:06.480 at social media. He produces his own podcast while he is in Parliament, which is a frankly very smart
00:06:12.900 idea. If I ever make it to Parliament or the legislature, I would do the same thing, just keep
00:06:17.980 doing the show while I'm in office. Because why not? It's my job to communicate to the public, so why would
00:06:23.480 I cut myself off at my knees and just start only tweeting or only sending out press releases?
00:06:28.220 But Nate was offered a job to stick around, and he came back. Now, there was this article from the
00:06:35.700 Toronto Star, and this was in May after the election. May 13th is when Mark Carney, after the
00:06:42.160 election, started appointing people to his cabinet. But you will remember, as is indicated right here,
00:06:49.200 on March 14th, Mark Carney, after he became the leader of the Liberal Party, a couple of days later,
00:06:55.840 he was technically the Prime Minister. He got sworn in as Prime Minister himself, even though he didn't
00:07:00.060 have a seat. And then he started putting together his cabinet. And somebody that was in his cabinet
00:07:04.700 as Housing Minister was Nate Erskine-Smith. And so, yeah, and then on March, so March 14th,
00:07:13.960 Nate Erskine-Smith is the new Housing Minister. Post-election, May 13th comes by, and Nate Erskine-Smith not
00:07:21.300 only isn't Housing Minister, he isn't anything. And yeah, he did feel betrayed, which we know because
00:07:28.000 he told the media that he felt betrayed. I think he should have seen this coming, but you can see
00:07:33.080 here from the CBC News headline, former Housing Minister Nate Erskine-Smith says he feels disrespected
00:07:38.640 after being dropped from cabinet. And to even say he's the former Housing Minister is kind of a joke,
00:07:45.300 because he never actually did anything as Housing Minister. How could he? He was in the job for about
00:07:49.920 four minutes. And even a lot of other people had the same treatment. I believe their House leader
00:07:55.420 never even got to preside over the House, even though she was given the token role for a little 0.96
00:08:00.260 bit. There was never a moment that Parliament was even in session for these roles to come into effect
00:08:05.140 when it came to things like the party whip and the House leader and the kind of other sorts of deputy
00:08:11.280 leader that was going on. So yeah, Nate has been kicked around a lot. And Nate has also been now
00:08:19.280 kind of attacking his own government since then. You'll remember during the Air Canada fiasco that
00:08:26.260 while the Liberals were trying to force workers back, all the flight attendants that worked for 1.00
00:08:30.380 Air Canada back into work, Nate Erskine-Smith in the middle of it tweeted out,
00:08:35.920 some labor disputes are complicated, this one isn't. Air Canada should pay and treat its flight
00:08:41.020 attendants fairly. Now, I don't really care about his statement about that particular thing.
00:08:47.120 I agree with him, disagree with him on that issue. I think he's simplifying it to the idea that Air
00:08:52.060 Canada is a greedy corporation ripping off its workers, when in fact, the airline industry is
00:08:56.560 like very unprofitable because the sheer amounts of regulations, taxes and fees associated with it,
00:09:02.620 and just the very high cost of running an airline in the first place. But he was signaling his ability
00:09:09.720 to kind of disagree with the Prime Minister and that he was unhappy. And then we just had him put out
00:09:16.940 this video on September 12th. Now, this was before Bonnie Crombie had lost the leadership race yesterday
00:09:23.620 on the 14th. But mark my words, guys, in a leadership review, when most of the ballots are in,
00:09:30.240 and most people kind of know in their circles who voted for what, whether they wanted to keep Bonnie
00:09:35.580 Crombie or they wanted to get rid of her, it was probably clear to Nate Erskine-Smith that she was
00:09:41.200 not going to make it. And he released this three minute and 10 second video where he tends to make
00:09:47.360 a lot of references to Ontario provincial politics. And I think this is him putting out feelers
00:09:52.280 on whether or not he should run.
00:09:54.580 What do we want from our politics? Well, our National Caucus just met in Edmonton to get ready
00:09:59.960 for the return of Parliament. And Ontario Liberals will now decide what the future holds. In both
00:10:05.060 cases, we need to ask ourselves what we want from our politics. While direct attacks to our sovereignty
00:10:10.040 have abated, we still need our leaders to stand firm in the face of threats to our economic security.
00:10:15.240 The Prime Minister has rightly promised by Canada federal procurement and sectoral supports where
00:10:19.840 needed most. And by the way, I would say if you see, obviously he is like saying nice things about
00:10:26.980 Carney here and agreeing with him. But if he's going to run for leader, this is not an indication that
00:10:31.220 he's going to stay because he's saying nice things. In fact, if Nate Erskine-Smith, who openly seems to
00:10:37.060 disagree with Mark Carney all the time, suddenly start saying nice things, it's probably because he just
00:10:40.980 doesn't want Carney to step on his toes if he resigns and then runs for Ontario leader.
00:10:45.000 Strangely though, after a snap election call to specifically earn a mandate to fight back,
00:10:50.760 well, Ford's response has been middling at best. Now, all leaders tell us it is time to build a
00:10:56.000 strong economy. The funny thing about that shot at Ford is that Ford and Carney are almost one-to-one,
00:11:02.700 the same politician. Ford is Mark Carney in a fat suit. They have the same approach to trying to
00:11:09.420 fight through the trade issue. Just subsidize the heck out of your economy. Just throw money at
00:11:14.820 random industries and just hope that they survive. Don't cut their taxes, don't deregulate,
00:11:19.500 don't make it easier to do business. Just throw money at the sectors that you happen to like the
00:11:24.460 most. And some areas of jurisdiction are more distinct. The feds are focused on a world-class
00:11:29.380 defense industrial strategy. And I wish Ford showed that same ambition in building world-class
00:11:33.980 healthcare and education instead of steadily undermining the strength of these public systems.
00:11:38.780 Other areas of jurisdiction are shared, like the housing crisis. Stronger federal housing action has
00:11:43.760 helped to deliver a boom in purpose bill rentals. What's next? Except, again, he is just fibbing here.
00:11:52.360 What was it? McGregor or something like that? The guy who actually ended up something Gregor.
00:11:57.580 Gregor Robertson. There you go. The guy who actually became the housing minister, which was
00:12:01.220 like a double insult to Nate Erskine-Smith, was like the former mayor of Vancouver who was terrible
00:12:06.340 on housing. But he is throwing on some really heavy rose-tinted glasses here. Because in fact,
00:12:11.740 housing starts are down yet again in the year 2025 so far. New housing starts just keep declining
00:12:19.480 because it's just a bad economy to operate in right now. Not only is it really hard to get a
00:12:25.160 housing permit to build in Canada, but even if you do get it, all the stoppages and all the taxes make
00:12:31.880 it just so cumbersome to do that people just leave the market entirely. But again, he's just complimenting
00:12:37.780 the feds. You know, don't attack me if I run for Ontario leader and Ontario liberal leader. And then
00:12:43.000 he's slapping at Ford because that's his real opponent now. Well, we promised a wartime effort and it's
00:12:47.840 time to realize one. Unfortunately, Ford has failed to keep pace with other provinces and Ontario's woeful
00:12:54.260 housing starts. They put any national progress at risk. In the face of rising youth employment, the feds should
00:13:00.460 build on the promise of a youth climate corps to create meaningful opportunities for our next
00:13:04.380 generation. Ford's answer? You are on your own. And when it comes to keeping our communities safe,
00:13:10.740 the federal justice minister recently outlined action on bail reform and more, recognizing the
00:13:15.420 need to both protect the presumption of innocence and to protect the public from repeat and violent
00:13:20.300 offenders. But law reform is only... Yeah, they haven't done that yet though, Nate. Come on. Even
00:13:26.460 Nate Erskine-Smith. And this is another thing he said at the time. It's a more minor comment I can't
00:13:30.800 find. But he stood up in parliament and he even said, why are we going on summer vacation? Don't we
00:13:36.380 need to get a bunch of stuff done? Can't we at least extend it a couple more weeks to be able to like,
00:13:41.140 you know, hammer out some better details for our policy? Even he recognized that they weren't
00:13:45.800 actually working very hard because they wanted to jump out of the... They want to end spring session ASAP.
00:13:51.000 ...part of the picture. Delays and an under-resourced administration of justice,
00:13:55.920 those lie at Ford's feet. Now, as we work to address today's challenges, and there are many,
00:14:01.060 we also need our leaders to act in the best interests of our collective future.
00:14:05.200 At the national level, we promise to make Canada a clean energy superpower. From an east-west
00:14:09.660 transmission grid, to approving critical mineral projects, to methane rules and a stronger industrial
00:14:13.800 carbon price, there is a lot of work ahead to realize the opportunity of a clean transition.
00:14:18.920 Yeah. So this guy is also a climate radical. It doesn't matter how bad the economy is right now
00:14:24.720 and how bad the trade situation currently is and how much we should be relying on, you know, oil and
00:14:30.360 gas in terms of both an energy source as well as an economic driver. He is just all in for clean
00:14:36.400 energy. Again, this is a guy who wanted to pass a law, I think it was a private member's bill,
00:14:41.020 to basically raise the price of meat because he himself is a vegan. But anyways, yeah,
00:14:47.740 Mark Carney could easily lose this guy to a resignation to go run for the Ontario Liberal
00:14:52.920 Leader. And this isn't just me speculating because Bonnie Crombie fell out and now he doesn't really
00:14:59.300 like Carney that much and he seems to be insulting Ford. Nate Erskine-Smith ran for leader in 2024
00:15:05.700 for the Liberals. The 2024 Ontario Liberal Leadership Race, he actually got pretty close.
00:15:12.060 Uh, I'm trying to bring it up on screen here.
00:15:18.440 You stop being able to think when you start typing. Uh, that's my one big, uh, law here. Uh, no, it's
00:15:23.980 2023. He ended up running and it was really close because even though he's a fairly young guy for
00:15:29.920 running for politics, like I think he's in his either later thirties or he's just turned 40, a little
00:15:35.720 bit younger than Pierre Polyev, he did quite well. On first ballot, he had 25% and Bonnie Crombie had
00:15:42.300 42.96. On the final ballot, he had 46.59 and she had 53.40. Yeah. He had a bit of a climb mostly
00:15:51.280 because a lot of people just did not want Bonnie Crombie. But if you got that close, you're pretty
00:15:57.960 much the guy that people will kind of coalesce around for the next time. We've seen this many times
00:16:03.420 before. There'll be a leadership race between two people. This happened in the UK when Liz Trust 0.99
00:16:09.260 ended up beating, uh, Rishi Sunak. And then when they did a replay, Rishi Sunak was then kind of
00:16:15.040 crowned by the new establishment forces as the next guy up because he came second last time. Uh, but
00:16:20.500 which is, and then now, and then because, uh, uh, Kemi Badena came second the second time that, oh, 0.98
00:16:26.300 she's the leader right now. It's really, it's not great. Uh, how like, it's not a good pattern to
00:16:31.460 follow as a party. Would Nate Erskine-Smith be a good Ontario liberal leader from a pure
00:16:36.940 political sense of how effective he would be in the leadership? I think he'd probably be better
00:16:42.060 than Bonnie Crombie. Um, do I want him to succeed as Ontario liberal leader? I actually don't even
00:16:48.380 know because Ontario politics is so screwed that like, what am I supposed to do? Cheer for Ford? 0.97
00:16:54.340 He's just the same as these other people. That's the funny thing with him criticizing Ford.
00:16:57.920 Ontario is like the Petri dish for federal policy. If the federals are putting out a bunch of
00:17:03.280 subsidies, they're going to be heavily concentrated in Ontario and Quebec. A lot of government programs,
00:17:09.280 all the federal infrastructure is mostly built up in Ontario. So Ontario oftentimes is walking in
00:17:15.440 lockstep with the federal government, especially under Doug Ford. And so I don't really see there
00:17:21.500 being any difference if Nate Erskine-Smith became the Ontario premier or even Merritt Stiles became the
00:17:27.640 Ontario premier. This is why I tell people to go and vote for the new blue party, become a candidate,
00:17:32.800 join the new blue party board, because on those Ford needs to be pressured from his right to either
00:17:38.100 reform or to actually start losing seats to the new blue party so that there's actually people in the
00:17:43.880 provincial parliament who can say conservative things consistently. That's why the one BC party
00:17:49.220 exists in British Columbia. The, on the BC conservatives, just they'll ration you things. They'll say
00:17:55.680 somewhat of a conservative thing here and there to keep you satiated. But when you actually look at the broad
00:18:00.240 scope of what they say, it's like, well, this doesn't feel that much different from BC United. They'd also call it
00:18:05.680 long wait times in the hospitals. They'd also criticize safe supply. They'd also say that, you know, maybe
00:18:11.040 Soji went too far and we should cut around the corners, but they don't want to get rid of it. Like the BC 0.77
00:18:15.800 conservatives don't even want to get rid of Soji anymore. This is again, why I work for one BC. But like, that's why a lot of
00:18:21.820 these new parties end up popping up and having real utility. In New Brunswick, the provincial PC party
00:18:28.380 was very red Tory for a long time until the People's Alliance party came around being led by Chris Austin.
00:18:35.740 And in two elections, they actually won three seats and then two seats and then they end up merging.
00:18:39.980 And I think Chris Austin, who I hope becomes the new, the new New Brunswick PC leader has really moved
00:18:45.900 that party to the right. He's like, in my mind, like one of the textbook best possible leadership
00:18:51.980 choices out in New Brunswick. So by the way, if you know, Chris Austin, show him this video. I'd love
00:18:57.100 to fly out and help with his leadership race. I just think that he's a really good guy. He was one of
00:19:01.660 the people who helped spark the parental rights movement across Canada because he was the one who
00:19:06.620 was introducing the changes to policy 7, was it 713? Yeah, in order to actually require disclosure
00:19:15.340 of kids wanting to change pronouns or identify with different names in the classrooms and having to
00:19:20.380 notify parents on what's being taught in the classroom and all this stuff. He was one of the
00:19:23.900 main drivers behind kicking that off. But anyways, so that should be it for me today, guys. Based on the
00:19:30.860 current polls, if Carney loses an MP, it's not going to affect the way that parliament is really
00:19:37.260 working right now, since they'll still have to rely on the NDP and the bloc for votes anyways,
00:19:42.380 like they have to right now. But at least it would be a signal to maybe progressive liberals that they
00:19:47.260 can go and vote for the NDP again, for people who were NDP voters before 2025, who voted liberal just
00:19:53.660 to keep the conservatives out. By Nate Erskine Smith leaving, you may have that sort of, I think they
00:19:59.740 call it new leaf liberal in Ontario, that kind of new leaf liberal federal voter may go back over to
00:20:06.540 the NDP because they're not progressive enough. Even though, dude, the federal liberals are plenty
00:20:11.820 progressive. They are just not, they don't have the capacity to move even further left than Justin
00:20:16.620 Trudeau already was. And so, but these people are so, such malcontents. If you're not constantly moving
00:20:22.940 even further in that direction, they act like you're suddenly a rightist and you're not doing enough.
00:20:28.620 But anyways, so that truly is the end of the video. I always have these little mini rants that pop out
00:20:33.260 of me by the end. Uh, but thank you guys for watching. Make sure to like the video,
00:20:37.100 subscribe, leave a comment, and I will see you guys next.