The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - September 27, 2025


CBC can't believe how much of LIAR Mark Carney is!

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Carney government trade reversal hypocrisy and tariffs elbows-up slogan
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Wyatt Claypool
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Mark Carney Laura Babcock David Cochran Kate McKinnon Pierre Pauly Pierre Poilievre Trump
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The Canadian government dropped more tariffs on the U.S. than they were supposed to, and they didn't even tell the public about it. Today, we talk about why this is a bad move, and why it's actually a good one.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.
00:00:02.900 Usually I don't like it when a government betrays its voters,
00:00:06.880 but in the case of Mark Carney and the Liberals constantly betraying the elbows-up crowd,
00:00:12.720 I kind of love it. 1.00
00:00:14.360 Mostly because you shouldn't have been stupid enough in the first place 0.97
00:00:17.920 to assume that Mark Carney was actually going to have a trade war with the United States, 0.99
00:00:24.020 let alone win a trade war with the United States.
00:00:27.500 So this just came out yesterday that the Carney Liberals,
00:00:32.180 when they had announced a couple weeks ago that they were going to reel back
00:00:36.880 some of the counter-terrorists they were putting on the U.S. on USMCA-compliant goods
00:00:41.720 because the U.S. actually wasn't tariffing our USMCA-compliant goods,
00:00:46.620 secretly in the background when he was announcing that,
00:00:49.960 acting like we're just going to go to parity with the sort of tariffs the U.S. has on us,
00:00:54.940 he actually reduced even more tariffs that he didn't let people know about.
00:01:00.080 And in fact, this isn't a bad move.
00:01:02.780 This is stuff that the government should be doing in order to actually get to a real trade deal. 0.97
00:01:08.160 The Liberal government has been, you know, fussing around doing stupid things during the trade negotiations, 0.84
00:01:14.120 but I will point out when something's a good move. 0.95
00:01:16.960 Now, it's not really getting us anywhere because we've been messing up so much before this,
00:01:21.420 so this is just, you know, maybe getting us back to where we were, you know, square one
00:01:26.440 at the beginning of the trade negotiations.
00:01:28.720 We're just trying to reverse ticking off the Americans right now.
00:01:32.780 But again, I kind of love this because the elbows-up crowd truly didn't actually think
00:01:38.800 that Carney was going to cave this quickly.
00:01:41.040 But I need to play a clip for you guys from the CBC in just a second here.
00:01:45.560 But before we get into that, I just want to remind you that if you like the show,
00:01:49.260 make sure to leave a like on this video, subscribe if you are not yet a subscriber,
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00:01:58.500 and it helps us on the algorithm.
00:02:01.140 Anyways, here is CBC Power and Politics, hosted by David Cochran,
00:02:06.240 talking about this reversal that the Carney government made without letting anyone know.
00:02:12.300 Saying last month it would remove all counter-terrorists on U.S. goods covered under Kuzma.
00:02:17.420 New reporting from the CBC has found out that the Liberal government
00:02:19.940 quietly dropped more of those tariffs than advertised.
00:02:23.320 The CBC's Kate McKenna broke the story, and she joins me now.
00:02:26.140 So, Kate, walk us through what you found out here.
00:02:29.780 Well, David, we all remember last month when Mark Carney announced that the government
00:02:34.120 was going to be dropping some retaliatory tariffs in order to kind of push ahead
00:02:39.660 with trade negotiations with the United States.
00:02:41.740 So, at the time, the Prime Minister said that he was essentially going to be matching
00:02:45.440 what the United States was doing to us, which is to say counter-tariffs were going to be dropped
00:02:49.840 on Kuzma-compliant goods.
00:02:52.300 Right.
00:02:52.780 So, goods that were compliant with the existing free trade agreement,
00:02:57.400 implying that if a good wasn't compliant with Kuzma, then it would be tariff.
00:03:02.780 Take a listen to what he said at the time.
00:03:05.120 The Canadian government will now match, we will now match the United States 0.51
00:03:09.780 by removing all of Canada's tariffs on U.S. goods, specifically covered under Kuzma.
00:03:17.420 Now, almost a month later, we've learned that's actually not what happened.
00:03:21.600 Canada has removed all counter-tariffs, regardless of whether a good was Kuzma-compliant,
00:03:27.040 except for, of course, the sectoral tariffs on steel, aluminum, and auto.
00:03:30.560 And they never actually communicated that to the public.
00:03:34.180 Okay.
00:03:35.140 I wish they would use the word lie, because this is a lie.
00:03:39.840 It's not like, oh, they should have communicated better.
00:03:42.080 They lied about what they were doing.
00:03:43.640 They didn't deliver what they said that they were going to do.
00:03:46.260 And so, they lied about it.
00:03:47.600 It's not like the government lacks resources to remember to do this.
00:03:51.000 The whole point is that they need to satiate nutcases out there, like Laura Babcock, 1.00
00:03:55.140 who think that, again, Mark Carney is out there crusading against the Americans, 0.97
00:03:59.980 and that Carney is going to ride down to Washington, D.C. on the turret of an Abrams tank and slap Trump across the face.
00:04:07.660 It was never going to happen. 0.99
00:04:08.920 And you were dumb enough to believe, if you believed it in the first place, 1.00
00:04:12.560 you were only proving that you don't understand how politics works, or that you are just very gullible. 0.99
00:04:17.320 We found it by reading an order in Council, which was never publicized and required me to ask a number of questions from the government.
00:04:24.880 So, this was not something that they ever told the public.
00:04:27.420 Now, there might be good reasons for why the government did it.
00:04:31.340 I spoke with a couple of trade lawyers who told me that it would have been extremely costly to enforce.
00:04:37.520 It would have required hiring more people at the border.
00:04:40.300 The amount of money, that revenue that was generated probably would have been almost negligible,
00:04:45.540 because most goods, if you do the paperwork, are Kuzma-compliant, right?
00:04:50.660 Right, right.
00:04:51.300 So, one trade lawyer I spoke with said, you know, this was admirable bureaucratic restraint.
00:04:56.200 However, it's not what the government said that they were doing.
00:04:59.500 It's not what Mark Carney said he was going to do.
00:05:01.900 And the reality of it is they implied that Canada and the U.S. were doing the same things to each other.
00:05:08.400 And in reality, that's not actually what happened.
00:05:10.900 So, we heard from Pierre Polyev today.
00:05:13.080 He posted on social media saying this is another elbows-down lie.
00:05:18.900 Now, in a statement, the finance minister's office says they do what they do because they want to adapt their trade policy,
00:05:26.540 both to get a new deal done and also to help Canadians the best that they can.
00:05:31.260 Right, that was the argument, though, for dropping the Kuzma-compliant tariffs.
00:05:35.400 There's been no broader explanation on the balance there, right?
00:05:39.580 And obviously, there wasn't an explanation.
00:05:42.420 If you remember before, during the election, at a time when Mark Carney was hyping up the fact that he was counter-tariffing the U.S.,
00:05:50.360 at that time, he was actually ratcheting them back.
00:05:54.020 And then post-election, when that was discovered, and then we had the tariffs placed on us by Trump, 0.99
00:05:59.460 then he got all tough and then put all those tariffs in place, which made us look really stupid 0.84
00:06:04.300 because he put them on things that are supposed to be tariff-exempt that even the U.S. hasn't been touching. 0.85
00:06:08.860 And then you had to reel that back.
00:06:11.080 And then, because the Americans were really ticked off at us at that point,
00:06:14.520 he extra-reversed them and removed all tariffs except on steel, aluminum, and softwood lumber.
00:06:20.980 And so, yeah, right now, again, I actually like having fewer tariffs,
00:06:25.840 but it's more the hypocrisy that needs to be called out here.
00:06:29.980 And again, if you are still on the elbows-up train, like, goodness,
00:06:35.340 how can you live with the cognitive dissonance that they don't agree with you,
00:06:40.120 that they don't agree that that's the best approach for taking on the U.S.?
00:06:43.540 Because in their own policy, that's not what they're doing.
00:06:45.880 It says matching, but it's 25% on steel, aluminum versus 50%.
00:06:50.100 But the explanation for why they dropped the non-Kuzma-compliant goods from tariffs
00:06:55.720 is just to advance trade. Am I understanding that right?
00:06:57.940 Yeah, that's absolutely right.
00:06:59.140 They told me that it's true, what we're reporting,
00:07:03.540 but they didn't go into detail as to why in their response to me.
00:07:07.140 Yeah, because they just want to keep this issue as quiet as possible 1.00
00:07:10.000 because they look stupid, and they're making their own supporters look stupid. 1.00
00:07:13.200 I need to play you guys this clip again of Laura Babcock 1.00
00:07:17.180 freaking out about people who make fun of the elbows-up slogan.
00:07:20.820 Why do people make fun of it? Well, because it's ridiculous. 0.97
00:07:23.380 And so here we go. I'm pretty sure this is the one. 0.93
00:07:26.960 But she starts freaking out about those making fun of elbows-up.
00:07:30.600 Is this the right one? No, this isn't the right one.
00:07:33.320 Guys, we will find it. I believe it's this one.
00:07:36.200 He's parroting a very dangerous regime,
00:07:39.340 and I want Canadian journalists to start to ask Pierre Pauly of these questions.
00:07:42.700 If you're echoing what they're saying,
00:07:45.480 does that mean you intend to do what they're doing?
00:07:47.700 And if that's the case, every single Canadian should be on high alert.
00:07:51.560 Yep.
00:07:52.220 Okay, never mind. That's not it either.
00:07:53.700 But we get to see more Laura Babcock having a freak out. 1.00
00:07:56.820 Let's just keep going until we find the right one.
00:07:58.220 We're not only in a trade war. We might be in real war.
00:08:00.340 And the last thing we need is for anybody
00:08:02.000 to take our patriotic battle cry of elbows-up,
00:08:04.920 against Canadians, and mock it, and put it down.
00:08:08.160 Yeah, who could do that, guys?
00:08:09.560 If you're out there sitting on your couch right now mocking it,
00:08:13.780 shame on you.
00:08:15.220 You're making Laura Babcock not cry.
00:08:17.680 You're making Laura Babcock not take her lithium. 0.87
00:08:20.720 If you're nicer to her, she will go on her medication.
00:08:23.320 So stop making fun of elbows-up, guys.
00:08:25.720 When Pierre Pauly of says elbows down,
00:08:27.520 he is echoing MAGA talking points and attacks on our country.
00:08:31.600 You can criticize Mark Carney all you want.
00:08:33.360 It's your job, but you don't have to do it
00:08:35.280 by denigrating Canada's sense of power and purpose
00:08:39.320 and patriotism in this critical moment
00:08:41.940 for our sovereignty and our economy.
00:08:44.360 Yeah, so that woman's husband is a producer over at the CBC.
00:08:49.800 You know, the person who does all the technical stuff
00:08:51.920 for their programs, you know, sets up cameras,
00:08:54.700 sets up studios and whatnot.
00:08:56.060 And it's really telling that that's where her husband works.
00:09:01.620 The whole thing is just such a parody with these people
00:09:04.260 that they think that by simply just...
00:09:08.140 It's like the people who believe in manifestation.
00:09:10.880 If I just manifest that I want to make money,
00:09:13.240 I will eventually make money.
00:09:14.920 If I just say elbows-up enough,
00:09:16.540 eventually America will just decide,
00:09:18.620 ah, they are good kids.
00:09:20.740 No tariffs on them,
00:09:21.760 and we'll keep paying for their defense,
00:09:23.160 and we'll ignore the border with no security on it,
00:09:25.900 and we'll do all this other stuff.
00:09:27.540 Do I like the tariffs from the US?
00:09:29.960 No.
00:09:31.180 Also, we're in reality.
00:09:33.380 And in this reality,
00:09:34.980 we have to operate with the cards that we are dealt with.
00:09:38.060 We can't be sitting there wondering
00:09:39.520 why we don't have other cards
00:09:41.200 and why we may have to play this one
00:09:43.220 in order to keep things moving forward.
00:09:45.340 You just kind of have to do it.
00:09:47.480 And again, there's a lot of ways
00:09:48.940 where we can get to a win-win scenario here,
00:09:51.180 and maybe Mark Carney is finally starting to do that
00:09:54.040 by ratcheting back the tariffs really hard
00:09:56.740 and then trying to make a deal.
00:09:58.560 Okay, I'm capitulating.
00:10:00.700 I'm basically agreeing that you guys should,
00:10:03.600 like, are our biggest trade partner,
00:10:05.360 and I will do whatever it takes
00:10:06.740 in order for us to get back to a zero-tariff situation.
00:10:10.400 Perfectly fine.
00:10:11.600 I don't need fake strength.
00:10:14.140 I want victories.
00:10:15.700 I don't even care if you've got to get on your knees
00:10:17.900 and beg for a trade deal.
00:10:19.560 If it gets us there, do it.
00:10:22.080 What are we doing with these, like,
00:10:23.700 we're ratcheting up the tariffs,
00:10:24.760 like we're going to get into a brawl with a country 0.98
00:10:26.680 with a much bigger and more healthy economy than our own?
00:10:30.180 It's such a laugh.
00:10:31.580 And you have, again, people out there,
00:10:33.320 like Laura Babcock and others,
00:10:35.080 who are living, stewing in cognitive dissonance,
00:10:38.740 not being able to realize
00:10:40.000 every time the Carney government ratchets back tariffs,
00:10:43.680 is that they're admitting that the elbows-up thing 1.00
00:10:45.360 was stupid in the first place. 0.99
00:10:46.560 So the whole slogan should be mocked. 1.00
00:10:49.000 Why are they going after a patriotic battle cry?
00:10:52.240 Who's patriotic battle cry?
00:10:53.960 Like a small portion of liberals
00:10:56.440 who still don't know that this is completely fake?
00:11:00.300 But anyways, that should be it for me in this video, guys.
00:11:04.480 So that's, yeah, that is pretty much it.
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