The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - January 19, 2026


CBC cannot defend what Carney just did in China!

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After Prime Minister Mark Carney's trip to China, media outlets like the CBC and the Globe and Mail are quick to highlight the economic benefits of trade with China, but completely ignore the elephant in the room: China being a threat to Canada's national security.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.
00:00:02.840 Prime Minister Mark Carney's trip to China is obviously going to be very concerning for Canadian voters,
00:00:09.300 and you can tell that the trip is probably not going to be an electorally good thing for Carney
00:00:14.280 based on how news outlets like the CBC are covering it.
00:00:19.160 The CBC will always try and make Mark Carney and the Liberals overall look good.
00:00:24.300 If there was a big Liberal scandal out there, while yes they can't spin it as a good thing,
00:00:28.700 they would say that it's a nothing burger and nobody actually cares about this,
00:00:32.340 and they'd make the scandal as boring as possible to try and make as few Canadians actually care about it
00:00:37.780 while fulfilling their duty to actually cover the news.
00:00:42.200 And after Mark Carney's China trip, you see from outlets like the CBC that, well, one,
00:00:48.760 they want to quickly move the news cycle on to anything but China.
00:00:52.400 You can see right here on Google, we're talking about Qatar and Greenland when it comes to Mark Carney,
00:00:59.020 not the extremely concerning China trip.
00:01:02.420 The trip to Qatar was also quite concerning, but not as many Canadians really understand the problems with Qatar.
00:01:09.020 It's one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism on the planet,
00:01:12.000 but it just doesn't, you know, loom as largely in the foreground as a country like Iran or Russia does
00:01:18.780 in terms of just being an international troublemaker.
00:01:22.560 But with the China story, and we're going to be specifically talking about the CBC and Rosemary Barton here,
00:01:28.540 they're celebrating what Carney is doing while also being very guarded and defensive of it.
00:01:34.500 They want to talk about all the great aspects while trying to just completely ignore the elephant in the room
00:01:41.600 in terms of Carney saying that China was our biggest national security threat.
00:01:46.580 You think that would be the wall-to-wall coverage?
00:01:49.440 Why are we talking with China and wanting to integrate closer with them on security and culture and economics 0.96
00:01:56.460 when they're our greatest national security threat, which is something that Carney himself specifically said?
00:02:03.560 He literally went out of his way on the debate stage last election to mention it,
00:02:07.900 even though they had actually not even gone into the foreign policy topic yet, or they passed it.
00:02:12.440 He used his own moment to talk about whatever he wanted to specifically say that China was a threat.
00:02:18.440 And so we're going to look at, in shortly here, a clip from the Rosemary Barton show.
00:02:23.440 But I attempted to watch the Rosemary Barton live show just to give you the rundown of what they're doing.
00:02:31.040 And this is currently the propaganda effort.
00:02:32.880 So the show opened up with Rosemary Barton giving just the cliff notes details of what the new trade deal with China is.
00:02:41.060 It's bringing down our tariff on Chinese-made electric vehicles from like 100% or some large percentage down to like 6.1%.
00:02:50.560 They are going to be removing their large tariff on things like Canadian seafood products and canola oil.
00:02:56.140 Well, that's good for the people that that affects, obviously, but there's a lot more to it, to the story than simply just what the trade terms are.
00:03:05.700 If it was an allied nation and we had reduced tariffs on both sides, that would be a good thing.
00:03:10.720 But obviously, you know, they just want to cover the economics of it because they don't want to talk about China being a national security threat.
00:03:18.180 So Rosemary Barton does the cliff notes and then she brings on an economist, a very liberal person, as you can probably detect, who then talks about how this is so fantastic because think of the economic benefits for Canada's economy.
00:03:32.780 And we need to we need to basically trade more with China into to become more independent from the United States.
00:03:38.540 And this is just taken as an inherently good thing between Rosemary and this guest.
00:03:43.180 And then Rosemary moves on to her second guest, who is a Saskatchewan canola farmer.
00:03:48.720 Now, this is a very sympathetic character in the narrative because nobody wants canola farmers in Saskatchewan to go broke.
00:03:55.640 China was a big market for them. So this is a good thing.
00:03:58.400 And they bring on that person in order to, you know, pump up why this is great and we should ignore all the security issues.
00:04:04.700 This person's not nefarious. Obviously, they're just on to talk about their own interests.
00:04:09.480 But we don't bring on anyone to talk about the fact that we are now just going to damage Canada's auto sector by, you know, opening up trade with the country that is perfectly fine with just dumping cheap EVs into our economy to undermine our auto sector.
00:04:24.600 That doesn't get brought up in it. And what the biggest thing that doesn't get brought up in it is, you know, China's national security threat.
00:04:32.140 But the fact that they, you know, engage in massive amounts of human rights abuses, once they got into the panel show later on with Rosemary Barton, they did bring it up.
00:04:42.000 And the way they brought it up was very telling that the CBC doesn't really know long term how to pitch this as a good thing.
00:04:49.340 So they're just going to obfuscate around a lot of the details. They're going to bring up the stuff that's nice.
00:04:54.680 They're not going to bring up the stuff that they don't like. And then they are in this case, they're going to try and pretend Emily Nicholas here is going to pretend like,
00:05:04.700 well, what's the really the difference between China and the US in terms of, you know, moral standing on the planet?
00:05:11.840 Check out this clip that the CBC watcher put on X.
00:05:14.800 Well, and it comes Emily to all of Sherelle's excellent points, you know, as the prime minister himself agrees with that notion that that China is more reliable and more predictable than the United States.
00:05:27.360 I think that's probably a fair assessment, frankly, given what's happened just over this weekend, the threats that Donald Trump has made.
00:05:34.260 What does that tell you about how Ottawa is approaching these things?
00:05:38.180 And by the way, what kind of host is Rosemary Barton? 1.00
00:05:43.080 Pose the question, if you're going to be a neutral observer, a neutral interviewer, pose the question, let them answer it.
00:05:48.820 What was she doing there with all the qualifications of saying, well, I think that's a fair assessment that China is more stable and predictable than the United States. 0.60
00:05:55.880 It's like China supports chaotic, pro-terror, pro-war dictatorships all over the planet.
00:06:04.760 They partner with tons of them.
00:06:06.480 They were literally a main sponsor and partner of Maduro's communist regime in Venezuela.
00:06:13.780 They were really mad at Donald Trump capturing Maduro because China, in fact, is totally fine with regimes that are oppressing people around the world as long as they are getting their cut.
00:06:23.460 In fact, they really don't care if even if they weren't getting their cut, if they just weren't, they would just ignore the country and not help them at all.
00:06:30.640 But they partner with some of those brutal regimes around the planet.
00:06:34.080 And we're going to say that Trump is not stable or the U.S. is not predictable because he's mouthing off about Greenland.
00:06:41.720 Who cares, guys?
00:06:42.440 It's not going to turn into anything.
00:06:43.720 Do you think Trump's going to roll up tanks on Greenland?
00:06:45.940 It wouldn't accomplish anything.
00:06:47.340 Trump clearly is just looking for some symbolic victory over NATO and over Denmark right now, even though the U.S. can still build bases pretty much wherever they want on Greenland.
00:06:57.800 This is going to go away and it's going to be one of those episodes in history where people will bring it up one day.
00:07:02.740 They're like, remember when Trump tried to invade Greenland and you're going to have to fact check them like, oh, my goodness, that's not what happened.
00:07:08.700 People were just mouthing off back and forth and then nothing occurred.
00:07:12.140 But now let's get to the actual answer there after Rosemary Barton's just horrific setup. 1.00
00:07:19.100 I think it's very helpful for us to even be having this conversation on basically the economy versus morals.
00:07:28.360 I think for most Canadians, it's going to be clearer and more of a reflex when it comes to engaging in relationship with China.
00:07:36.400 But in hindsight and with perspective, it's also we could be raising exactly the same question with our relationship with the U.S.
00:07:44.920 Where are our guardrails when it comes to human rights abuse, when it comes to ICE agents coming in and harassing and deporting people?
00:07:55.720 What people? What people, Amelia? What people are these? What is this?
00:08:04.060 Oh, they're harassing and deporting people. Oh, yeah, there's walking into a random like just shop messing up people's hair and throwing just some random person in the back of the car and driving them out over to the Mexican border.
00:08:16.120 Like, no, that's not, in fact, what's happening. You can like ICE. You can dislike ICE.
00:08:23.640 I'm not sure why you would dislike ICE. Every country has border patrol agents who have to make sure to deport people who are there illegally.
00:08:30.040 You can maybe not like their tactics. Maybe you can just say that they're a little little heavy handed at times.
00:08:36.380 Compared to China? No, no, they are not. In China, they run concentration camps for people they just don't culturally like.
00:08:44.320 Like, that's a thing that happens there. And we're going to try and compare that to ICE.
00:08:49.080 But again, this is the only way we can actually make this seem morally reasonable that we are signing a deal with China,
00:08:56.620 who, again, is just going to exploit it by dumping cheap EVs into our economy.
00:09:01.160 Because this is also a bit of a tangent. Because China's EV manufacturers are partially government owned.
00:09:07.640 They will take a massive haircut on price in order to destroy your market.
00:09:11.920 And then they'll jack up costs after that.
00:09:13.740 You can't really trade freely with a hostile foreign actor. 1.00
00:09:18.020 You can trade freely with Japan and Korea.
00:09:20.740 All their firms are pretty much private.
00:09:23.520 Or at least they are run privately.
00:09:25.240 Like, I know Japan's government sometimes likes to own stock in companies.
00:09:29.440 But that's very different than China's very semi-direct control of some of these firms.
00:09:34.260 The thing is that you can't trade freely when a country is willing to lose money on a sale in order to make sure that your own auto sector becomes subservient to theirs.
00:09:44.240 But regardless, like, but now the only way we can actually justify what is already not a very good deal based on some other details that we have, we have to make sure that, like, we have to denigrate the United States as if it is the country that has concentration camps, wants to invade Taiwan, literally crashes boats into fishermen in the Philippines.
00:10:05.480 And see, yes, America's like that because they take illegal immigrants and they make them leave something every country either does or should do. 0.97
00:10:14.880 They're kicking them up, even American citizens, killing them on the street.
00:10:18.620 Where is our, where is our, our, our, our morale? 0.97
00:10:22.300 Oh, they're killing Americans in the streets. 0.99
00:10:24.080 Oh, my goodness, guys. 0.97
00:10:25.460 It's just like Iran. 0.99
00:10:26.900 Oh, my goodness.
00:10:27.600 It's just like Iran out there in the streets of Minneapolis. 1.00
00:10:30.780 You can say good shoot or bad shoot in terms of that one good woman who ended up getting shot when she started driving her car towards an ICE agent.
00:10:40.100 And I think that, generally speaking, if you drive a vehicle towards a police officer, you're probably going to, you're taking your life into your own hands.
00:10:47.920 That's probably a very basic common sense take.
00:10:51.360 Don't drive a vehicle towards a nice officer.
00:10:54.580 Regardless, let's even say the officer just took out a gun and shot some random activist.
00:11:00.260 Let's even just pretend.
00:11:01.280 How does that have anything to do with China as a government being a national security threat to Canada?
00:11:08.260 A rogue officer, even if it was a rogue officer, and I don't even believe that that's really what happened there, even if it was, that doesn't get China off the hook here. 0.81
00:11:18.880 China is a country where at the, what is it, the Tiananmen Square, I sometimes don't pronounce it right, in that massacre, like the army with tanks and other vehicles and by shooting people,
00:11:30.480 just murdered like a thousand of their own citizens protesting against the anti-democratic policies of them. 0.87
00:11:36.940 And we're going to compare that to a random woman getting shot by an ICE officer in a, in a case where, frankly, it's not even that hard to dispute that she was not trying, that she might have been either trying to hit him or did something so stupid he thought he was, she was trying to hit him and shot her. 0.96
00:11:53.240 Stand there. 0.92
00:11:54.700 We don't have one.
00:11:55.560 And so, because we don't have one there, it's a, it's a form of relativism that is really hard to swallow, what I'm discussing, but I think this is what Mark Carney was hinting to when he said, we take the will as it is.
00:12:10.500 Um, there is not a large power that is ethical for Canada to trade with right now.
00:12:17.440 Um, so, um, we just have to, uh, deal with, uh, with, uh, everybody that's, that's out there.
00:12:24.760 And I think, uh.
00:12:25.800 So based on this current framing, we could trade with North Korea, Iran, Equatorial Guinea, any country that basically enslaves and abuses its own people because, well, you know, orange man bad in the United States and ICE bad. 0.54
00:12:41.640 And really, can we even see a difference between ICE and the Chinese government locking up Uyghurs in concentration camps?
00:12:49.660 Can we even see the difference there? 0.99
00:12:52.280 It's so pathetic. 0.77
00:12:53.560 If you cannot, uh, if you cannot rely on, uh, people's ethical stance when it comes to commercial relationship, what you can do to, uh, protect your own capacity to be taking, uh, decisions on your own and protect your own sovereignty. 0.92
00:13:11.640 Is really just to diversify it, not to put your egg, your eggs all in the same basket and make sure that there is basically evil everywhere, but you're not too dependent on one sort of evil.
00:13:22.200 Um, and I think it's not.
00:13:23.920 So now in this framing, we've also moved, we have fully moved, although she's now admitting that China is a type of evil, but she's now also trying to put America in the evil basket here, which is again, just absurd.
00:13:34.980 The way I would just say the prime minister office would phrase it, but I think this is, uh, where we are in 2026 and that we need to get used to it.
00:13:43.000 Yeah.
00:13:43.460 Though, though they'd have said, or he has said, we, we can't be, we have become over dependent on the United States and, and that's obviously. 0.98
00:13:50.300 You're not going to challenge, okay, of course, Rosemary Barton is not going to channel a challenge any of that idiocy right there. 1.00
00:13:55.440 And that's going to be the CBC's tactic. 0.96
00:13:58.020 It's, they're going to basically pretend like, well, what's really the difference between China and, and, and the United States.
00:14:04.560 And then they're just going to talk about, oh my goodness, wow, you got canola or tariffs taken off.
00:14:09.240 That means we can just ignore all the stuff China does to us, you know, intellectual property theft, harassing our citizens on our own soil, harassing their families back home in China and Hong Kong, you know, locking up our people. 0.72
00:14:21.200 It's gotten to the point where we now are letting, there are Chinese officials going after Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavaro, I think.
00:14:30.740 Yeah.
00:14:30.960 Like the two Michaels who are locked up in China, they've been sounding off about the foolhardiness of what Carney is doing here.
00:14:37.920 And you have Chinese officials slandering them saying they were spies and they got what they deserved and they should have stayed locked up.
00:14:44.760 And no Canadian officials saying, hey, what are you saying there?
00:14:48.540 Oh yeah, we're no, no deal anymore if you're going to actually justify locking up our people.
00:14:53.080 No, that, that's something that can be thrown under the bus.
00:14:56.000 A, no longer an issue.
00:14:57.440 China interfering in our elections, no longer an issue because Carney needs to diversify trade away from the United States.
00:15:04.020 Oh my goodness.
00:15:04.880 It's all so tiring.
00:15:06.140 There's just one last thing I want to talk about here.
00:15:08.400 And it's just what I consider to be like the reason why the liberals still have voters.
00:15:14.820 And it's a person like this on X that I think actually really well defines the attitude inside the liberal party.
00:15:22.560 I sometimes use Laura Babcock jokingly as like the representative of the liberals.
00:15:27.380 She's the representative of like the crazy side of liberals. 1.00
00:15:30.280 This person is more moderate, but it doesn't make the take any less silly. 0.93
00:15:34.020 But this is where a lot of liberals are at right now in terms of how they think of the liberal government.
00:15:40.120 This person named Sask Kate, who's doing a big disservice to Saskatchewan by being such a Carney fan, says this.
00:15:46.160 I'll say it plainly.
00:15:48.300 Mark Carney is the right person for this moment.
00:15:50.740 And the people losing their minds about it are proving exactly why.
00:15:54.120 Canada's not weak. 1.00
00:15:55.140 Canada does not suck. 1.00
00:15:56.360 And we don't need to burn our institutions to the ground because a loud minority is addicted to grievance politics. 0.98
00:16:02.400 No leader is ever going to align 100% with your beliefs.
00:16:05.800 And that expectation isn't principled.
00:16:07.800 It's childish.
00:16:08.440 What matters is competence, stability, and understanding how power markets and geopolitics actually work.
00:16:13.980 The nonstop Canada's broken rhetoric, born with a convoy and kept alive by Maple Mega, is a grift-wrapped talking point for foreign interference.
00:16:22.620 Oh, yeah, guys, it's foreign interference that people think that Canada is broken because we can look and read a chart and see the economy's not very good.
00:16:31.300 That crime over the past five to seven years is very elevated compared to what it was before.
00:16:36.760 We can see that the immigration system is broken, that we have a lot of cultural fraying right now because of it.
00:16:42.900 That's all just foreign interference. 0.97
00:16:46.600 Now, Chinese foreign interference, no, no, no, we do not care about that anymore. 0.99
00:16:50.680 We need to sell our canola oil.
00:16:52.500 And by the way, I'm happy for Saskatchewan canola farmers at the same time.
00:16:57.760 How about instead of subsidizing our auto sector, we just don't let the Chinese EVs into our economy, lower taxes, lower regulations. 1.00
00:17:08.200 And if we are to subsidize one thing over the other, how about we subsidize the canola oil before we subsidize the much larger auto sector in order to cope with the EV dumping that the Chinese government is going to do? 0.99
00:17:19.820 It's so stupid. In general, if we just cut taxes overall, we could probably just be running a far better economy right now without having to use subsidies targeted to different industries to keep them alive. 0.80
00:17:31.920 We're doing a lot of band-aid solutions here, but it's, oh my goodness, it's ridiculous that we're calling it foreign interference for people to criticize our own government.
00:17:39.580 At the same time, we're getting into bed with the CCP.
00:17:43.320 But she goes on, Saskatchewan says that this is a foreign interference and it undermines trust, stokes resentment, convince people their country isn't worth defending.
00:17:54.520 That's the playbook. I'm done pretending that constant cynicism is patriotism.
00:17:59.700 It isn't. It is. It's destabilizing, unserious and embarrassingly easy to manipulate.
00:18:04.120 We don't need louder outrage. We need adults who understand the stakes and remember what it means to be Canadian.
00:18:10.500 Well, I remember Mark Carney seeing China as our biggest national security threat.
00:18:17.640 This is where he doesn't seem serious, seeing as he will say one thing and flip-flop tomorrow when other opportunities arise.
00:18:26.320 That's people's problem here, but apparently we're unserious because we can see him say something and then do the opposite and have a problem with it.
00:18:35.060 That is apparently foreign interference.
00:18:37.080 The definition of foreign interference is now not liking something Carney and the liberal government do.
00:18:44.380 But the reason I use that woman as an example of where the liberals are at is there are so many people who just want to think that the people they voted for are competent.
00:18:53.460 Because a lot of these people are more upper middle class, retired, or at least financially stable, and they just want to feel comfy with their voting option.
00:19:03.820 Because all the decisions that they're making in terms of how they vote are not really affecting them too much.
00:19:10.060 Well, you know, you should shut up and stop whining if you're noticing things bad.
00:19:14.300 Because I'm actually doing pretty good right now.
00:19:16.640 And to admit that the liberals are not doing a very good job on all the promises that they had made and on just other standards of moral and integrity and corruption.
00:19:27.540 Because by pointing out they're not doing well on that, it's like saying I voted wrong.
00:19:32.480 And I don't want to feel like that.
00:19:34.080 Like, there are so many people who effectively just vote based on what makes them feel okay with themselves.
00:19:39.780 But anyways, with that all being said, thank you guys for watching this video.
00:19:45.040 Like, share, subscribe, leave a comment about what you think.
00:19:48.260 And I will be back next time with another video probably on polling.
00:19:52.280 There are some polling that came out today that's slightly frustrating.
00:19:55.580 Because it's interesting to talk about, but I think people are over-reading it.
00:19:59.560 We had some outlier polls coming out where the national numbers were pretty realistic.
00:20:03.140 And if anything, it's very encouraging for the conservatives.
00:20:05.240 But people are, like, over-emphasizing some of the further down numbers and acting like it's, like, a really bad thing for Pierre Polyev.
00:20:13.080 But we will be getting that to it tomorrow.
00:20:15.200 But again, until next time, I'll see you all later.