The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - December 07, 2025


CBC host makes fool of himself LYING for the Liberals!

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David Cochran arguing with Robert Fyfe
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Wyatt Claypool
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Donald Trump David Cochran Danielle Smith Mark Carney Goldie Heider Laura Babcock Nicolas Maduro Tlaib Nur Muhammad Jonathan Wilkinson Justin Trudeau Robert Fyfe Robert Fito Doug Ford Tinkerbell
John Rustad Resigns - BC Conservatives will become MORE LIBERAL Liberals in Trouble! Carney trapped himself as CPC puts forward pipeline motion!

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On our first show back in the normal studio, let's talk about the CBC, specifically Power and Politics host David Cochran, making a complete fool of himself carrying water for the liberal agenda of the CBC's power and politics show.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. It's great to be back on the normal set after being in hotel rooms for the last three weeks.
00:00:08.700 That was getting a little bit depressing, and so it's going to be nice to be just here for a couple of months,
00:00:15.300 not having to shift around and set up makeshift podcasting studios.
00:00:20.640 And today, on our first show back in the normal studio, let's talk about the CBC,
00:00:26.660 specifically power and politics host David Cochran, making a complete fool of himself carrying water for the liberals.
00:00:35.560 Now, in this clip I'm about to show you, he's literally responding to somebody who themselves is a liberal.
00:00:41.800 Robert Fife is not exactly a conservative dude. He is a stalwart liberal.
00:00:47.980 Yes, he's a journalist and he would say he's neutral, but everyone kind of knows he's liberal.
00:00:52.160 Well, David Cochran, in the face of just irrefutably true things, starts arguing because you just cannot have a conservative narrative
00:01:03.580 be presented in front of the public without someone trying to naysay it, including the supposed neutral host of the show.
00:01:12.380 Anyways, I want to stop belaboring this intro. Let's get into David Cochran looking like a fool. 0.98
00:01:19.060 It's still, it's sort of energizing people towards an actual project that they might be able to support, 0.96
00:01:26.240 but it actually gives them some idea that the economy is growing.
00:01:27.820 You know, it's important to point out, too, that Canada's contribution to greenhouse, global greenhouse gas emissions is one and a half percent.
00:01:35.440 Yeah, per capita, we're pretty high, though.
00:01:36.840 Right.
00:01:37.380 Like, we were like double the global average.
00:01:39.580 But if you sell our, if we sell our natural gas to China and India, that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
00:01:47.120 Maybe, if it displaces coal.
00:01:48.880 Like, I, maybe, like, immediately he's starting to try to argue with his fellow liberal on the panel because he said something that was conservative-tinted,
00:01:58.820 i.e., just a factual statement that if China and India, you know, Vietnam, all the other manufacturing hubs,
00:02:05.880 if they started using Canadian natural gas to power factories and whatnot, that would, in fact, displace coal.
00:02:13.000 And he's like, well, you know, it could happen, but it also couldn't, it could also not happen.
00:02:17.440 It's like, what are you possibly talking about?
00:02:19.880 The countries are using as much energy as they currently want, and displacing it with cleaner energy is just smart,
00:02:27.320 especially when we're being paid.
00:02:28.560 It's not even really cleaner energy.
00:02:30.160 It's just more efficient.
00:02:31.600 It's not like China wants it because it's more expensive but cleaner.
00:02:35.660 They want it because it is, in fact, cheaper and more efficient for them to be using.
00:02:40.420 Displaces coal. 0.99
00:02:41.100 Like, I mean, we hear this argument from Goldie Heider and others, and I'm not throwing shit on Goldie. 0.95
00:02:45.540 It's a legitimate argument. 0.90
00:02:46.900 Well, unless they...
00:02:48.040 Robert Feit just cuts in and just, like, points out that this is just kind of, like, a lot of nonsensical prattle from David Cochran.
00:02:56.140 I like how David Cochran is just jumping around like, oh, you know, that's one of those arguments that we hear from, like, you know,
00:03:01.320 a pro-oil conservative out there. 0.98
00:03:04.000 Goldie Heider and others, and I'm not throwing shit on Goldie. 0.97
00:03:06.100 It's a legitimate argument. 0.97
00:03:07.180 Well, unless they just add it into their energy mix and don't displace the dirtier stuff, right?
00:03:12.120 Because, I mean...
00:03:12.740 That's just nonsensical.
00:03:15.060 Sorry, does China have a current energy deficit?
00:03:18.360 Like, they're only able to have 80% of their factories online because they just don't have enough energy.
00:03:25.460 Yes, they keep putting more coal on the grid, but it's not because they are missing energy.
00:03:31.760 It's just because they are expanding their productive capacity.
00:03:35.380 Having natural gas show up in as much of a quantity as China wants doesn't mean they're just going to slot it in with the coal.
00:03:42.780 Most companies, if they're smart, would want to swap from more expensive coal to cheaper natural gas.
00:03:49.520 Now, coal actually has a lot of other uses, and they'd probably just put it to those other uses, but probably not as their primary energy if they could have natural gas as it. 0.97
00:03:58.820 But again, there's just all these dumb equivocations, or not even equivocation, just stupid deflections by David Cochran, who, let's be clear, doesn't know what he's talking about at all. 0.82
00:04:08.900 This is like an 18-year-old college student taking sociology, trying to argue back against somebody just because they're an environmentalist, and they can't possibly conceive of a reason to ever export natural gas. 0.99
00:04:23.320 Legitimate argument.
00:04:24.500 Well, unless they just add it into their energy mix and don't displace the dirtier stuff, right?
00:04:29.160 Because, I mean, you've got 1.4 billion people.
00:04:31.060 But these countries also don't want to be burning coal.
00:04:34.000 Their own people don't want to be.
00:04:35.460 Yeah, because there's...
00:04:36.240 Pollution is terrible.
00:04:37.180 But it's interesting, just more on the abacus data from Coleto.
00:04:42.160 Let's just quickly move on there, David.
00:04:44.900 You know, just got caught having absolutely no clue what you're talking about and shilling really hard for Carney's liberals, setting up the narrative reason for why it doesn't really matter that much if we don't actually get a pipeline built.
00:04:58.420 If all this is happening in the context of the memorandum of understanding that Prime Minister Mark Carney signed with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, it's probably not going to actually turn into a pipeline.
00:05:10.240 It's not because I'm just cynical.
00:05:12.720 I think Danielle Smith probably knows it's also not going to turn into anything.
00:05:16.000 But she has to play her cards very carefully here because she's walking a tightrope where she can't be too arm-in-arm with Carney or tick off a lot of her base, naturally.
00:05:26.440 And also, at the same time, if she sounds skeptical of the project, Carney and the media will just say, well, see, that's why there's no project.
00:05:34.420 She didn't believe in Tinkerbell enough, and so the project died.
00:05:37.260 It's like, well, that's not how that works.
00:05:40.740 Like, the thing is, Danielle Smith has been, like, wanting to bend over backwards to make a project work for years.
00:05:48.260 And so, but again, she lives in a world where if she doesn't seem 100% willing to, like, accept everything that Carney says, then it's her fault if the pipeline doesn't get built.
00:05:59.380 She even had to sign on to some kind of silly stuff, but again, it only really comes into effect if the government actually gets a pipeline project going.
00:06:07.260 I just wanted to talk about another clip here just before we sign off.
00:06:12.740 We will be talking more about the MOU and the sort of games the Liberals have been playing with it and how the Conservatives are countering them on another episode.
00:06:19.900 I just really do need to jump over to one of our favorite podcasters, that being Laura Babcock, to talk about this clip from her OSHO here,
00:06:30.640 where she is talking about, like, this conspiracy she has that MAGA is secretly taking over Canada.
00:06:38.500 Everything under the surface that she does not like is secretly MAGA, except when Mark Carney is bending over backwards to please Trump.
00:06:46.100 Trump, that's not MAGA somehow.
00:06:48.240 And by the way, I don't even fault Carney for trying to, you know, engage in trade talks with Trump.
00:06:52.720 I only ever criticize Carney on that front when he messes it up and then has to grovel harder just to get Trump back to the table, 0.99
00:06:59.620 because Carney will act like he wants to sign a deal, mess up the deal by doing a bunch of stupid stuff, 0.85
00:07:05.140 and then he will make concessions just to get back to the table to talk for a deal that's probably still not going to happen, 0.86
00:07:10.780 because he will mess it up again.
00:07:12.800 But never you mind all that rambling I just did there.
00:07:16.340 Let's get to Laura Babcock.
00:07:17.820 Anyone out there who doesn't believe that there is a Maple MAGA in Canada, there is.
00:07:23.340 And they are in the form of Alberta separatists.
00:07:25.640 They are in, a lot of them are in Ontario.
00:07:27.740 You know, the whole convoy movement is a part of it.
00:07:30.100 They are involved with the Trump regime.
00:07:32.600 We know that.
00:07:33.580 We saw Daniel Smith run down to...
00:07:35.060 Guys, we know that.
00:07:36.780 We, all of us right here, don't pretend you don't know it.
00:07:40.040 We all know that we are working hand in glove with the Trump regime,
00:07:45.700 that the conservative movement is working with them.
00:07:48.540 What's her evidence here?
00:07:49.460 We know that.
00:07:50.640 We saw Daniel Smith run down to Mar-a-Lago.
00:07:52.860 We know that the Polyev MAGA Party of Canada, a.k.a. the Clown Party of Canada, 0.96
00:07:57.160 formerly the Conservative Party of Canada, has taken a dramatic and disgusting tilt to the hard right. 0.70
00:08:03.060 Hard right how?
00:08:04.600 She actually has to substantiate that.
00:08:06.120 And she's talking about, oh my goodness.
00:08:07.360 Well, we know they're MAGA because Daniel Smith went down to Mar-a-Lago.
00:08:12.320 Like, okay, well, so did Justin Trudeau.
00:08:16.220 So did Mark Carney.
00:08:18.680 Doug Ford and other premiers have gone down to the United States to try and meet with the Trump administration.
00:08:23.840 I'm sorry, but...
00:08:25.360 Danielle Smith doing something smart and trying to smooth over the candid U.S. relationship does not make her an agent of the Americans.
00:08:33.880 These are obviously just double standards.
00:08:36.360 Really, Laura Babcock has no standard.
00:08:38.860 It's not like she applies one standard to the Conservatives and one standard to the Liberals.
00:08:42.960 She doesn't have a standard because her standard will shift so that she is always mad at the Conservatives and always friendly towards the Liberals. 0.75
00:08:50.600 They can literally do contradictory things day to day that completely throw her talking points in the trash.
00:08:56.880 And it's still okay.
00:08:58.260 The Liberals are the canned party.
00:08:59.960 Party and the Conservatives are somehow the evil American party that's in league with the Trump MAGA movement, something, something, fascism.
00:09:09.320 Can't pretend it doesn't matter because if this hemispheric spheres of influence thing gets any more traction, watch what's happening with Venezuela.
00:09:17.860 You know, what's to stop it from going on to Mexico or to Canada?
00:09:21.540 So we are in a serious, serious ass time here, people.
00:09:25.800 Sorry, is she defending Venezuela? 0.80
00:09:27.640 Does she think it's wrong for Donald Trump and the Americans to splat some drug traffickers in Venezuela?
00:09:35.500 They're not going to invade Venezuela.
00:09:37.180 And even if they did that, I couldn't really complain about it too much.
00:09:39.700 It's run by a communist dictator.
00:09:41.740 But the thing is that these people are just anti-American.
00:09:45.060 Again, I'm a Canadian.
00:09:47.040 I don't dislike the Americans.
00:09:48.700 I don't have any real complaints.
00:09:50.380 I don't like the tariffs, obviously, but that's just a policy issue that will eventually work itself out.
00:09:55.040 But these people hate America so much.
00:09:57.120 They will side with actual communist dictators, killers, people who literally rig elections to stay in power and use the military to, like, get rid of dissidents.
00:10:08.000 That's the good guy.
00:10:09.620 Nicolas Maduro is the good guy in the battle between Trump and himself because Laura Babcock doesn't like Trump.
00:10:17.900 Trump's not even going after Nicolas Maduro.
00:10:21.360 He's going after drug traffickers using Venezuela as a haven to, like, manufacture drugs and then try and speed both of them into the United States, killing lots of people.
00:10:32.880 I would hope that we would be tough on drug traffickers, but Trump's going after drug traffickers, ergo the drug traffickers are actually all just Aladdins who are selling drugs to feed hungry children. 0.96
00:10:44.100 They have to do this or the hungry children of Aqaba will all die. 0.96
00:10:49.140 I hate this way that liberals will look at crime simply to oppose a party or some entity that they don't like.
00:10:56.540 They don't like Trump.
00:10:57.640 So now drug traffickers are good people.
00:11:00.600 It's delusional.
00:11:01.840 But that should be it for this video, guys.
00:11:04.880 Just need to make a short one.
00:11:06.240 I'm so tired after traveling a lot.
00:11:08.660 But tomorrow I will be back talking about the ploy or more so the...
00:11:14.500 It's not even a trick.
00:11:15.800 It's literally just holding the liberals accountable.
00:11:18.600 There's a plan the conservatives have to try and embarrass the liberals on their MOU because all of their West Coast or pretty much all their West Coast MPs do not want the pipeline built.
00:11:28.640 People like Tlaib Nur Muhammad and Jonathan Wilkinson and some of these other guys on the West Coast.
00:11:34.520 And so the conservatives are just going to put forward a motion vote saying, hey, will you vote to approve a pipeline from Alberta to the West Coast and suspend the tanker ban in order to make sure that they can actually export?
00:11:47.920 Because the MOU was just, in my opinion, Carney pretending to be serious while never actually having to follow through.
00:11:54.620 So let's at least get them to actually sign on paper that this is actually what they want to do.
00:12:00.200 It's not just some vague memorandum of understanding where we might eventually get to some sort of a pipeline maybe someday.
00:12:06.040 Let's actually, on paper, have you guys vote on the record what do you guys actually want this pipeline to be done.
00:12:15.440 But that will be that video.
00:12:16.760 And then I also have to do another video regarding Carney's, frankly, just flailing around when it comes to trade.
00:12:23.120 Like, I'd love us to get a deal done. 0.97
00:12:25.200 I just have no confidence that he's actually going to get one done because he's the fool who thought he understood Donald Trump before the election. 0.84
00:12:32.240 And we are now nearly at the time when Carney started making noises about how he was going to be the guy to make a deal. 0.96
00:12:39.580 We are almost a year to that point where he started signaling hard about being the one man who knows how to deal with men like Donald Trump.
00:12:48.100 One year on, no trade deal.
00:12:49.980 I know he wasn't the prime minister at this point.
00:12:53.220 Like, the time I'm talking about is sometime in January.
00:12:56.240 But still, you get my point here.
00:12:58.520 It's been a year since he started mouthing off and we still have nothing.
00:13:03.380 But anyways, that should be it for me today, guys.
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00:13:09.280 And I'll see you all later.