The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - November 03, 2025


CBC make excuses for Carney - Pierre demolishes them!

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tariffs on China budget cuts and redistribution
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Wyatt Claypool
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Pierre Poilievre Rosemary Barton Mark Carney Stephen Harper Donald Trump Don Davies Bill C-63 John Rustad Doug Ford David Eby McKinnon Reagan Polio
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Pierre-Olivier Polyev calls out the media for not asking tough questions about the Carney's trade trip, and why they should have been asked the tough questions. I love when stuff like this happens, and this interview does a great job of dismantling her fake neutrality.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.
00:00:02.780 I love when stuff like this happens.
00:00:05.560 Yesterday, Federal Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev went on Rosemary Barton's show on the CBC,
00:00:12.980 and it didn't go so well for Barton.
00:00:16.020 Barton is one of these obviously liberal-leaning reporters who puts on the affectation of being neutral,
00:00:23.880 but we all know that she is not neutral.
00:00:26.260 And I think this interview does a great job of dismantling her fake neutrality,
00:00:32.560 because Pierre Polyev basically calls out not only Barton, but the rest of the media,
00:00:37.400 for not asking very basic questions of Mark Carney's trade tour that he's been on around Europe and now Asia.
00:00:45.560 What has Carney actually accomplished?
00:00:47.820 Well, Rosemary and many other liberal reporters have never actually asked the question or pressed on the issue.
00:00:53.640 In fact, we basically do not see reporting on that topic outside of places like the Western Standard
00:00:59.680 and the National Post and True North's wire service for Juno News.
00:01:05.240 When you read the CBC or the Globe and Mail or Citi TV, you will always just get the neutral,
00:01:12.660 and this is fake neutrality, the neutral reporting that Carney's out there trying to make deals.
00:01:17.500 They never actually follow through, follow back up, and say, well, did we get a deal?
00:01:22.280 Is this actually going to help us out?
00:01:24.320 You know, those are what a good reporter would do, but they do this fake neutrality where they just act as stenographers for the media.
00:01:31.460 But if a conservative says something, suddenly we need experts, suddenly we need other people to come in and tell us why the conservative is wrong.
00:01:38.820 There's tons of follow-up questions, and in many cases, these are good follow-up questions, but it's never put to the liberals.
00:01:45.840 They'll sometimes do it to the NDP when they're trying to defend the liberals,
00:01:48.940 but it's mostly only against the conservatives that these tough follow-up questions are asked.
00:01:54.580 So let's get into the tape here because it is quite great, and of course I'm going to give a shout-out to CBC Watcher on X,
00:02:02.480 who does a great job clipping the CBC so people like myself don't have to.
00:02:07.420 But before we get into it, guys, I also just want to quickly mention that if you like the show, make sure to leave a like on the video.
00:02:13.820 Subscribe if you are not yet a subscriber, and help me hit 100,000 subscribers by mid-December.
00:02:19.640 Actually, not mid-December. By the end of December of this year, the timeline has shifted a little bit.
00:02:24.760 I don't think I'm going to make it, but, you know, shoot for the moon and land among the stars or whatever the thing is.
00:02:33.060 Subscribe. Subscribe if you're not a subscriber. That is the thesis here.
00:02:35.800 And then, of course, leave a comment on what you think about all this.
00:02:39.580 But now, without further ado, let's get into this exchange between Pierre Polyev and Rosemary Barton.
00:02:46.620 It seems like everywhere Mark Carney goes, with his grand meetings and photo ops, we end up with more tariffs.
00:02:55.360 His failures abroad are costing us at home.
00:02:57.660 He met with the Chinese president, you know, and they made a decision that their officials were going to get together and try and solve the trade irritant.
00:03:04.340 He is trying to make some progress, you know, you don't see those things as a bit of progress.
00:03:08.620 What progress? Can you name one tariff line that he's reduced abroad?
00:03:13.160 Not at this stage, no.
00:03:14.400 Not one. He said seven months. He's been on 20 trips.
00:03:17.480 What would you like to see him do then? What do you think is the missing piece here?
00:03:20.860 You think that she would have had, she would have asked this at some point.
00:03:24.620 That's the problem here.
00:03:25.520 Rosemary is almost blindsided by the fact that Pierre Polyev actually has good questions of what Carney is doing.
00:03:32.360 She's like, well, you know, they have another meeting scheduled with the Chinese president's team.
00:03:37.200 Who cares? Like, what are we talking about?
00:03:39.900 Why do we have tariffs on at all with the Chinese government?
00:03:43.800 I know that we have tariffs on some of their electric vehicles, although that is actually something where there's a good argument.
00:03:49.160 You should put tariffs on China trying to dump, just waste electric vehicles into our economy because no one wants to buy them there either. 0.82
00:03:58.120 So they just dump them into our market, which actually lowers the price of better quality electric vehicles.
00:04:03.360 But here's the thing.
00:04:05.740 The thing is that China interferes in our elections.
00:04:09.500 They are clearly trying to influence our government in a pro-People's Republic way, away from Taiwan. 0.81
00:04:16.800 And we just kind of act like we should be negotiating with them in good faith.
00:04:21.360 And we're even pursuing them in a way we do not pursue the Americans. 0.89
00:04:25.000 We're pursuing them, begging them for a deal in a way we do not beg Donald Trump for a deal.
00:04:29.760 And again, Rosemary Barton doesn't ask questions about this. 1.00
00:04:32.380 In fact, she's kind of blithely celebrating the fact that we have another meeting with these people who have held Canadians hostage 0.97
00:04:38.620 and who literally try and interfere in our elections and who are currently tariffing our canola oil and seafood sectors.
00:04:46.260 Oh, my goodness.
00:04:47.680 Keep his promise.
00:04:49.320 Yeah, but how?
00:04:50.280 It's easy to say that.
00:04:51.400 It's the how that's difficult.
00:04:53.020 Well, the how.
00:04:53.860 I said that I would face President Trump and the rest of the world from a position of strength.
00:04:58.740 Right now, we're in a position of weakness.
00:05:00.520 The Americans know we can't sell our goods to anyone else because we don't have pipelines and LNG plants to get our most valuable export to other markets.
00:05:08.720 I would pass the Canadian Sovereignty Act, which would rapidly greenlight and legalize pipelines, LNG plants, and other infrastructure.
00:05:17.780 But the government is doing some of that.
00:05:19.300 There's an LNG plant that's happening.
00:05:21.780 There's a group approved by Stephen Harper.
00:05:23.400 All they're doing is, like, slightly expanding an old LNG plant.
00:05:29.240 Like, what are we talking about here?
00:05:31.000 And she just acts like she's, like, she's, like, debating Pierre Polyev on something she doesn't have the facts for.
00:05:36.820 Like, trying to, trying to turn the little crumbs of what Carney's done into, well, that's kind of what Carney's trying to do.
00:05:43.300 Not nearly on the same level.
00:05:45.420 Look, get out of here, Rosemary. 1.00
00:05:46.800 Expansion of it.
00:05:47.780 There's an expansion.
00:05:48.260 And the Major Projects Office, it does allow them to get around laws and regulations.
00:05:53.500 You know, that's the goal of it.
00:05:55.220 Does she know that?
00:05:57.900 Oh, it helps them get around regulations and laws in order to get these projects done.
00:06:02.400 Cabinet already had those powers.
00:06:04.940 They could have also just gotten rid of many of the laws that are holding up pipelines rather than creating a new bureaucracy that they didn't even need to try and do end runs around their own bad laws.
00:06:16.520 Like, again, if this was explained to Canadians properly, and it's not a conservative thing to do.
00:06:24.300 If they basically just said, oh, well, they're trying to create this Major Projects Office because things like Bill C-69 and Bill C-48 exist and in B.C.
00:06:33.420 DRIPA exists and then the federal government also recognizes UNDRIP and that's why we can't get anything done.
00:06:39.780 So they're going to create this Major Projects Office that's supposed to try and fast track them through these issues.
00:06:44.400 More people would probably just ask, why don't we just repeal all those stupid laws so we don't need another bureaucracy to maybe one day hopefully try and speed up a project a little bit. 0.94
00:06:55.740 It's so pathetic that this person has a television show that's subsidized by the taxpayers and they cannot ask the most basic questions of the liberal government. 0.99
00:07:05.440 That's the goal. We're seven months in and the clock is ticking. 0.96
00:07:08.800 I think we've been through enough goal setting and now it's time for results achieved and we're not getting any results.
00:07:16.220 Mr. Carney won't even tell us if he supports an oil pipeline to the Pacific.
00:07:21.340 His energy minister says it's just too hypothetical.
00:07:24.500 What do you mean hypothetical?
00:07:25.820 We had a project that was approved prior to the liberals taking office.
00:07:30.120 So here we are with no progress on expanding our resources or getting things done.
00:07:35.140 It's all very good that he's setting up these offices and agencies in Ottawa, but I've got news for him.
00:07:40.380 We're not going to make our economy economically independent by setting up new bureaucracies in Ottawa.
00:07:45.000 I want to ask you about leadership because I know that it's probably on your mind.
00:07:48.600 You have a leadership review coming up in January.
00:07:50.880 Yes, let's quickly move away from the topic where the liberals look really bad on.
00:07:56.140 We start talking about whether or not Pierre Polyev is in danger at his next leadership review in January.
00:08:01.000 How confident are you that you will be okay, that you will survive that vote?
00:08:05.040 Very.
00:08:05.620 Yeah.
00:08:05.800 Why?
00:08:06.580 What makes you confident?
00:08:07.360 Well, because I'm going to focus on doing my job.
00:08:09.500 And people say, well, are you going to get distracted with this?
00:08:11.780 And the answer is no, because the same thing I have to do in January is what I have to do on Election Day, which is to do a good job.
00:08:16.720 Yeah.
00:08:16.860 And that means doing what I was sent here to do by the record 8.3 million people who voted for us, which is to fight for an affordable life, fight for our young people to be able to afford homes, fight for parents to be able to have safe streets for their kids to grow up on.
00:08:31.800 And that's the job I'm doing, and that's why I believe I'll win the support of both the party and the country.
00:08:37.220 And you think that the party will be willing to give you a second chance?
00:08:40.560 Because the last time they did that was Stephen Harper.
00:08:42.560 And look how that turned out.
00:08:43.820 Yeah, that's right.
00:08:44.300 We were in power for 10 years, so I'm glad you pointed that one out.
00:08:47.380 Do you think that they'll be willing to give you a second chance, Mr. Polio?
00:08:50.480 I think so.
00:08:51.140 I'm fighting for the things that our party and our country need.
00:08:54.280 And the great thing about our party is we're united around the things that we believe in and are fighting for.
00:08:58.640 We want balanced budgets and low taxes so people can afford good lives.
00:09:02.860 We want to lock up criminals so that our people are safe.
00:09:05.720 We want to get immigration and borders back under control. 1.00
00:09:09.500 We want a common Canadian identity that unites us all.
00:09:12.280 We want to bring back the promise of this country, that anyone who works hard gets a great life.
00:09:17.000 And so the great thing I have, the benefit I have, is a party whose values and interests are aligned with the country's.
00:09:22.720 And that's why I think both January and the next election will go in the right direction.
00:09:27.440 Listen, really appreciate you coming in today.
00:09:29.000 Thank you.
00:09:29.380 I just wanted to point out, I wanted to let the rest of that play out, to just point out the fact that she had more follow-ups about his leadership review in January.
00:09:39.160 Oftentimes, like, the same question, just rephrased slightly.
00:09:42.660 She wanted to spend more time on that, which is, frankly, kind of a nothing burger of a story, especially in early November.
00:09:49.160 Like, this isn't until later in January.
00:09:52.320 And we are asking multiple follow-ups on that one.
00:09:55.360 But we are cutting off the conversation early, which was actually interesting, about what the liberals are accomplishing on trade.
00:10:04.080 What they've accomplished in general for major projects or for actually trying to bring business back to Canada.
00:10:09.940 In fact, $60 billion plus has fled from Canada to the United States because of just how poorly, like, how poor business confidence is in Mark Carney's government.
00:10:22.600 But, like, in this clip, it was, like, 50% talking about the trade issues and then 50% her asking about the January leadership review.
00:10:33.740 But within that first 50%, Polyev was doing most of the topic talking, and Rosemary Barton was trying to obfuscate and move off the topic as much as possible.
00:10:43.580 Oh, well, you know, yeah, you're saying all this about Carney, but, well, how would you fix it?
00:10:47.780 And then he had a really good answer, and she's like, oh, well, let's move on to your leadership review. 1.00
00:10:52.460 It's nakedly transparent what's going on.
00:10:55.000 Well, let's jump over to another interview that was also on Rosemary Barton Live.
00:10:59.340 And that was NDP interim leader Don Davies saying that he is looking for basically a bunch of new giveaways in order to support the federal budget.
00:11:10.800 I said, yeah, it was the NDP interim leader Don Davies here. 0.98
00:11:15.000 If the liberals try and please Don Davies to get him on side, they're complete fools. 0.78
00:11:19.160 And the thing is for the liberals is that they may be right in just ignoring the NDP because the NDP doesn't have the ability to go to an election right this moment because they're in the middle of a leadership race at the moment. 0.93
00:11:32.080 And they may just, like, abstain and let the liberals pass the budget with less opposition.
00:11:38.580 But I just want to get to this because it's just let's contrast the interviews with Polyev and then Don Davies.
00:11:46.680 So, yeah, we have we have said that we want a budget that invests, you know, cutting good family sustaining jobs that exist in the public service at a time when we want to create jobs doesn't seem right to us.
00:12:00.480 But, you know, we're going to see where the cuts are.
00:12:02.020 You know, there was also a lot of rumours.
00:12:03.560 There was a rumour that the government was going to cut the wage program, the women and gender equity program.
00:12:08.280 And we saw it came out that they announced that they're going to be funding it.
00:12:11.360 So that's why I think it's really important to take a good, thorough look at the budget, analyze it as a whole and see if those investments are there, particularly on the investment side.
00:12:20.240 If there's projects of national importance for building high speed rail between Windsor and Quebec and supporting mine development in partnership with indigenous people for putting people who work across this country with good jobs, you know, that has to be taken into account as well.
00:12:34.340 Do you want an election?
00:12:35.540 I don't see. I mean, you tell me, do you want an election?
00:12:38.340 You're the interim leader. There's other things going on with the party.
00:12:41.720 Where was the follow up question on if there was any sort of wasteful spending that Don Davies would be OK with cutting?
00:12:49.500 That's the problem is that the bias on the CBC is so obviously to the left that it just seemed natural not to even wonder if cutting things could be considered a good thing.
00:12:59.620 And let's be clear, the liberals are not really cutting anything.
00:13:02.760 They are redistributing their own budget towards different areas.
00:13:06.420 Maybe it's going to reduce some inefficiencies here or there, but they're not actually reducing the size of the budget.
00:13:11.800 The budget's going up. That is why we are running a massive deficit this year and probably next year as well, because they're not actually cutting spending.
00:13:20.380 They're just moving spending from this area over to this other area.
00:13:23.800 Maybe more subsidies or maybe they're going to try and fund some more infrastructure projects.
00:13:28.820 Yeah, maybe some of the infrastructure projects are, you know, positive overall.
00:13:33.040 But if you're not actually reducing bloat out of the budget and they're going to be doing very minor cuts, we're not getting anywhere.
00:13:39.420 We're pretending we're getting somewhere, but we're not actually moving in the right direction in a significant way.
00:13:45.360 But again, we're just going right on to, oh, do you want an election?
00:13:48.280 No question about whether or not the government actually has gotten too bloated over time and whether the NDP's philosophy of just the government creating jobs is a right one.
00:13:57.140 Yeah, you know, it's the other thing is it's not about us.
00:14:00.960 Like the reason I think the context is so important is because I think this budget should be about Canadians.
00:14:05.400 It shouldn't be about partisan interests and parties jockeying as to whether it's good or bad for them to have an election.
00:14:11.800 Personally, I don't think Canadians want an election is my feel.
00:14:15.260 That's my read of the situation.
00:14:16.940 It's only been six months since the last one.
00:14:18.920 And frankly, given the serious issues facing us, I'm not sure that an election is good for the country at the moment.
00:14:26.140 But, you know, as Mr. McKinnon said, people have won an election.
00:14:30.700 But if an election is necessary, then we're prepared to fight one.
00:14:35.080 Like, again, we're it's just limp questioning from Rosemary Barton on specifically like, well, what what makes it too early for an election?
00:14:46.720 Like we need why?
00:14:48.920 Have the liberals done anything that actually deserve them sticking around for six more months?
00:14:53.000 Or is it just because it's not been long enough since the last one?
00:14:56.400 And like, obviously, she should have asked about, well, are you guys willing to do or are you going to wait until the leadership review is done first or the leadership race is done first for the NDP?
00:15:04.940 But it just kind of ends there.
00:15:07.460 I know that the clip would have gone on longer.
00:15:09.280 And this is the CBC Watchers cut of it.
00:15:11.780 But overall, the way that she was questioning Polly on his leadership review compared to and she didn't want to ask him about having an election because obviously he wants one and he's confident in moving towards an election.
00:15:23.080 So we didn't have a question about that, but the question was put to Don Davies, who is a purely borderline irrelevant figure in Canadian politics.
00:15:31.720 He's an interim leader who doesn't really have the power to move his party into an election right now, but he's getting the significant national election questions, but not Polyev.
00:15:40.740 We're going to badger Polyev over his leadership confidence vote in January, which he is very likely to pass.
00:15:47.200 I'm going to be there as a delegate.
00:15:48.860 I'm very, very likely to vote yes for him.
00:15:50.880 Can I see flaws in Polyev?
00:15:53.300 Yes, sure.
00:15:54.380 Like most people, he's not perfect, but I would say he's probably the best person to lead the party.
00:15:58.480 And I've really liked the improvements he's made to the conservatives since the election loss, because unlike John Rustad in British Columbia and unlike many other conservative leaders, he hasn't gotten softer since the election.
00:16:09.640 He's actually firmed up on areas where we thought he was going a little bit too soft when he was running against Carney in the general.
00:16:16.420 Anyways, well, with that being said, thank you guys for watching this video.
00:16:20.120 I will be back later talking about Doug Ford fighting more with Carney over the Reagan ad, and then BC Premier David Eby now backing off of his own anti-American advertising campaign.
00:16:33.500 Anyways, until then, I'll see you guys later.