The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - CBC Melts Down after Danielle Smith's Alberta Referendum Move!

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.

00:00:06.180 It's been a lot of fun watching the political opponents of Alberta Premier Danielle Smith

00:00:11.060 collectively meltdown in the aftermath of her calling the referendum question on Alberta

00:00:17.460 independence. Now, I know there are many people from the pro-independence side who don't like

00:00:22.680 the question she put forward. I think she legally has to put it forward in the way that she did,

00:00:27.620 but you have to see the greater game here that the liberal media and her political opponents

00:00:33.420 like Alberta NDP leader Nahid Nenshi were trying to play. Like everything with the left,

00:00:40.140 the issue is never about the issue. The issue is about the revolution, and they wanted to take

00:00:46.020 down Danielle Smith. Nahid Nenshi and the media know the pro-independent side would not win a

00:00:51.540 referendum, and I'm not just trying to slag the pro-independent side and naysay them. Janet Brown,

00:00:56.880 the best pollster in Western Canada, literally got the last Alberta provincial election

00:01:02.240 within decimal points of the real results in her polls, puts the pro-independence support

00:01:07.940 at 27% to 30%. Now, that's nothing to sneeze at. That's a substantial amount of people who would

00:01:16.020 vote to separate from Canada. But it's still a far cry from winning a referendum. Nenshi and

00:01:23.400 liberal media know that they are simply trying to use the issue to hurt danielle smith and danielle

00:01:29.560 smith guaranteeing that this is going to be on the ballot in october of 2026 means that it's

00:01:36.200 not going to be on the same ballot as her in 2027 and that was the game the media and the

00:01:43.080 ndp were trying to play the judge who ended up blocking the pro-independence question from being

00:01:49.480 on the ballot in the form they wanted it in was probably also trying to destroy Danielle Smith.

00:01:55.340 Again, they know if the actual question went to Albertans, maybe highest, it would get 35% support,

00:02:01.760 which is still a lot, but again, that would not pass. They simply want this issue to keep

00:02:07.540 dogging Danielle Smith because they know outside of this, she's pretty popular. This is the only

00:02:13.160 way that Nenshi can move his fat body over the electoral finish line in 2027 is making himself

00:02:19.640 Mr. Canada with Daniel Smith representing the separatists, even though she's not a separatist.

00:02:26.400 So in just a second here, I just want to take you guys into the video of Daniel Smith announcing

00:02:31.160 the question. Then we're going to get to the CBC panel where they're all whining and complaining

00:02:37.240 about what Daniel Smith did here and making no sense along the way. Because again, this whole

00:02:42.520 thing does not compute to them. They don't know how to deal with this now that Daniel Smith has

00:02:46.940 taken their favorite club away, and they're still trying to make it work anyways. But before we get

00:02:52.380 into it, I just want to remind you guys, if you like the channel, make sure to leave a like on

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00:03:01.380 member of the channel to make it more sustainable for me. And of course, leave a comment below about

00:03:06.560 what you think about all this. Are you pro-independence? Are you not pro-independence?

00:03:10.680 what do you think this whole situation is about if you disagree with me, but it being all about

00:03:15.680 Danielle Smith? But anyways, with that being said, let's get into the video of Danielle Smith first.

00:03:22.220 Now, I want to be clear. I support Alberta remaining in Canada. That is how I would vote

00:03:27.920 on separation in a provincial referendum. It is also the position of my government and my caucus.

00:03:34.040 However, despite my personal support for remaining in Canada, I am deeply troubled by an erroneous

00:03:39.860 court decision that interferes with the democratic rights of hundreds of thousands of Albertans.

00:03:46.180 Alberta's future will be decided by Albertans, not the courts. Our government will therefore

00:03:51.700 be appealing the decision to Alberta's Court of Appeal and, if necessary, the Supreme Court of

00:03:56.660 Canada. But this process will take many months and possibly years before being addressed by those

00:04:02.580 higher courts. In the meantime, under our legal system, this troubling court decision is binding

00:04:08.580 law in Alberta until it is successfully appealed. That is why I'm announcing today that I will be

00:04:14.500 requesting our government add an additional question to the October 19th referendum vote

00:04:19.260 announced previously. The additional question will be, should Alberta remain a province of Canada

00:04:25.460 or should the government of Alberta commence the legal process required under the Canadian

00:04:30.560 constitution to hold a binding provincial referendum on whether or not Alberta should

00:04:36.080 separate from canada because this proposed referendum question does not directly trigger

00:04:41.600 separation but if successful would ask alberta's government to commence the legal process necessary

00:04:47.760 to hold a binding referendum on the matter the recent court ruling would not be applicable

00:04:52.720 and the referendum question i outlined could proceed now i know a lot of people who are pro

00:04:58.560 independence hate this because it's not actually something that would get alberta out of canada

00:05:03.980 To that, I would say this should be easier than a normal referendum to win, because it doesn't

00:05:09.840 actually weigh on people's minds if they vote yes to separate or yes to start the legal process.

00:05:15.780 It's not going to actually cause it to happen right away. So it's almost like people get the

00:05:19.900 training wheels version of it. It should be very easy to win this if you actually have the support.

00:05:24.960 The problem is I don't think the pro-independence movement has the support. And if this goes down

00:05:29.000 to flaming defeat in October, it kind of gets the separatists off Danielle Smith's back.

00:05:34.640 She's not a separatist, but it makes it extremely difficult to have people in the media and people

00:05:40.160 like Nahid Nenshi keep smearing her as such. So now let's get in to the CBC panel that is hosted

00:05:48.980 by the awful David Cochran here. Let's go, because every single one of these people, even the supposed

00:05:55.740 and conservatives on the panel are whining about how this isn't good enough and Daniel Smith is

00:06:00.880 horrible, but it's all falling flat because Daniel Smith really did outplay them. They don't

00:06:05.440 actually know how to complain at Daniel Smith anymore. So just another Friday national unity

00:06:10.240 crisis for our party insiders. We've got Greg Keckern. He is a former liberal ministerial

00:06:14.500 advisor. Fred Delory is a former national conservative campaign manager. Melanie Richet

00:06:19.140 is a former communications director for the NDP. And we have reinforcements today. A special guest

00:06:23.340 for today's conversation graham thompson is a political commentator based in edmonton uh graham

00:06:28.860 uh thank you for bringing some alberta content to this conversation i just want they finally

00:06:33.860 started putting some albertans on their panels to talk about alberta issues because people were

00:06:37.320 complaining what is the lay of the land how is this playing out uh the day after daniel smith's

00:06:44.400 big address on television saying this is going on the ballot october 19th yeah a lot of response

00:06:49.900 from business people who do not like this saying it's bringing uncertainty but let me point something

00:06:53.980 out really important smith is saying a 700 000 albertans signed different petitions to get this

00:06:59.660 referendum going no the forever canadian petition in other words let's stay in canada got more than

00:07:05.500 400 000 people but they wanted a vote in the legislature not a referendum see they're all so

00:07:12.300 mad they don't actually want the referendum to happen he's talking about oh business owners

00:07:16.940 hate this because it doesn't bring certainty. Yes it does. Having an actual vote tells people if

00:07:22.860 it's happening or if it's not happening. The media want uncertainty. The NDP want uncertainty

00:07:29.820 because they want to pin that uncertainty onto the political brand of Danielle Smith.

00:07:35.900 So yes, actually it will bring certainty because in October they'll see 66% of Albertans voted to

00:07:41.820 stay so it doesn't really matter the referendum probably would never succeed we can all rest easy

00:07:47.740 and by the way i don't really think businesses would flee if alberta went independent if anything

00:07:51.660 your taxes would go down again i'm not pro-independence but i can absolutely understand

00:07:56.860 a lot of the arguments in favor of it but this is just a bunch of whining and neighing he is just

00:08:02.940 neighing and clopping around like a horse just saying oh my goodness this is bad because well

00:08:07.740 the Forever Canada petition, they didn't actually want this. They wanted a legislative solution.

00:08:13.580 No, the leader of Forever Canada, Thomas Lukasik, the former hacky progressive conservative MLA,

00:08:20.940 did say he wanted a referendum on this. He said it multiple times. Why were you going around

00:08:25.580 collecting petition signatures to hold a referendum? That was the whole point. He was

00:08:30.220 trying to block the pro-independence referendum question from getting out of the ballot box.

00:08:35.100 He was deliberately using a petition method that would get it on the ballot and now he's

00:08:41.980 just suddenly saying no I never wanted this on the ballot because again the whole idea was they

00:08:46.300 didn't want the pro-independence version of the question. They didn't want any question getting

00:08:51.020 on the ballot in October because they wanted it on the ballot in 2027 because they knew it would

00:08:56.780 be ballot box poison for Daniel Smith and the UCP to be running at the same time it is a pro or

00:09:03.900 anti-independence question, because naturally, the Conservative Party in Alberta, the UCP,

00:09:10.660 is more pro-independence than the NDP. The NDP is like 99 pros staying in Canada. UCP is like 50-50,

00:09:17.880 if not like 60-40, depending on which way you look. Janet Brown and some of the other pollsters

00:09:22.440 show, yes, there's substantial support in the UCP, but it's more like 70 or 60 percent are in favor

00:09:28.720 of staying, and then the 40 percent are in favor of leaving. There's a lot of non-voters who are

00:09:33.540 in favor of leaving and whatnot, but you get my point. They wanted it so that there's this

00:09:39.780 contentious thing on the ballot box that makes you potentially more likely to mark NDP when you

00:09:45.360 actually are asked who you're voting for to represent you, because the NDP is going to be

00:09:49.560 the most stridently pro-Canadian. It's such a grift, and they absolutely know what they're doing

00:09:54.500 by trying to try to slag this referendum now. Vote, and they were saying we want to stay in

00:09:58.860 Canada very clearly that was verified by Elections Alberta don't have a referendum have a vote in the

00:10:05.220 house and Smith just sidetracked that into a committee and delayed everything and also that

00:10:11.140 300,000 people who purportedly signed the separatist petition that has not been verified

00:10:17.440 by Elections Alberta so Smith is bypassing all that just saying making it sound like

00:10:22.360 they got almost double the amount of signatures they needed man the only reason they never got

00:10:27.860 verified it's because the judge blocked it and now he's acting like oh they failed to get them 0.97

00:10:31.720 verified yeah because a judge blocked it idiot did you not hear the address she made the previous 0.63

00:10:36.940 night burtons want a big debate no they don't most albertans want to stay in canada 65 70 percent 0.99

00:10:42.980 according to many polls also most albertans do not want a referendum didn't ask for this

00:10:48.340 then why are you complaining about certainty he's like he's going from being like a horse

00:10:54.940 neighing and clopping to flopping around like a fish, and he can't actually

00:10:58.540 solidly drill down on what he thinks. Is it causing uncertainty, or are we certain we would

00:11:05.420 be staying if a referendum happened? What's going on here? Maybe apparently it's going to chase

00:11:11.060 business out of Alberta, but only the really stupid businesses that can't read a poll and see 0.99

00:11:15.620 that this thing's probably not actually going to happen. It's all just so lame, the excuse-making 1.00

00:11:21.660 that contradicts itself because again they're just ticked off and they're throwing everything

00:11:25.660 at the wall to attack danielle smith for doing this when they're really internally angry again

00:11:30.620 that this is not going to be on the ballot with danielle in 27. this goes back to smith playing

00:11:36.300 to a certain fringe element in alberta politics that pretty much controls the ucp that the

00:11:42.460 governing party in alberta they want a separation you got people who actually want to separate

00:11:46.940 some who are thinking let's just send a message to ottawa and get more from ottawa by threatening

00:11:51.020 perhaps to separate and by the way the question in the fall is not to separate it's actually to

00:11:57.580 uh to have a vote to have another vote later down the road so smith is delayed she keeps saying this

00:12:03.100 shouldn't be kicked down the road let's deal with it now she is actually delaying this even further

00:12:08.220 right well it's not delayed even further because you even just said that there wouldn't be the

00:12:11.820 support to actually leave canada and if it gets voted down there's not going to be a second

00:12:16.300 in a referendum. Does he even listen to himself? The courts got involved, Fred, and so Mitch

00:12:22.960 Sylvester and Jeff Rath and others couldn't go ahead. And well, and Daniel Smith said today,

00:12:28.420 the lawyers and the courts will not let her do what Jeff Rath wants to do, which is called a

00:12:32.320 binding question herself, which was where me and Rath disagreed when we spoke last week. But

00:12:37.640 on this, with the business community upset, with the data leak, with the breach of privacy,

00:12:44.040 is this a wise move to put this on the ballot with all of these conditions around what is the data

00:12:48.960 breach there's obviously tremendous risk anytime you put the country at stake when you put a

00:12:52.940 question like this that could lead to a uh yeah the former conservative campaign manager fred

00:12:58.320 delori saying oh you're putting the country at risk oh my goodness you can tell the man's lived

00:13:03.460 in toronto far too long in his life like he's she's putting the country at risk how by having

00:13:09.660 a question that everyone agrees would not actually succeed an eventual binding referendum uh

00:13:17.740 i look at this on the political side of it i'm well familiar with the players on the uh the

00:13:23.820 separatism side these are not strong organizers these are not legitimate uh players right now

00:13:31.260 you're giving them a number of months to organize and to build something and to actually because

00:13:35.100 there will be people that will want to be a part of this to to vote to separate um so you know when

00:13:40.940 she talks about this um you know let's have this vote and get it over with we'll never you know

00:13:45.500 as if that's it well we've already had two quebec referendums and potentially a third that the

00:13:49.740 current pq party is is presenting this doesn't mean you have a vote and this dies it goes away

00:13:55.500 if you give it fuel if you allow a movement to potentially to grow here where there could become

00:14:01.180 like there is no you know go back because it would give it more fuel if a referendum happens

00:14:06.380 and the question gets blown out 70 to 30 they're going to go for another referendum in a few years

00:14:11.900 okay and they'll get beaten harder and part of part of it and i'm trying to actually give some

00:14:17.100 advice here to the independence movement they need to professionalize too much of it i find

00:14:21.900 is having rallies in the same locations over and over again having leaders who are more concerned

00:14:27.500 with getting attention and sounding populist than actually being able to reach seniors and

00:14:32.420 suburban areas worried about their pensions, or people who basically think, hey, is this going

00:14:38.020 to prevent me from traveling? Or, well, how am I going to do this? Or what are we going to do with

00:14:42.200 the military? They haven't messaged enough, but the average Albertan could actually work.

00:14:47.200 People can't imagine what an independent Alberto looks like, because we haven't actually put in

00:14:53.140 place enough of the things that would make it easier for people to understand. How about we

00:14:57.160 try and win the Alberta pension plan fight first. That was abandoned because the support wasn't

00:15:01.800 there. And people were saying, oh, Danielle Smith abandoned the APP thing. Like, well, yeah,

00:15:06.160 because the support wasn't there. What do you want her to like have her entire career go up in flames 0.97

00:15:11.740 over an issue that people just like absolutely despise having an Alberta pension plan? And 0.97

00:15:16.740 Alberta pension plan, by the way, would be better than the current Canadian pension plan.

00:15:20.720 But the messaging isn't good enough. And so you can't win the pension plan issue. But the pro

00:15:26.200 independence people want to jump all the way down the staircase and try and win the alberta

00:15:30.760 independence referendum it's like come on people win smaller battles before you get to the larger

00:15:36.660 battle but again people here like fred delori are contradicting themselves is there going to be

00:15:41.640 referendum after referendum or like you guys keep saying is it not popular and it's going to lose

00:15:46.440 meaning that they're probably not going to go to the ballot box again for quite a while solidify

00:15:51.860 and make it legitimate you could end up with more actual separatist political parties that could

00:15:57.740 get a foothold which they do not have and federally they've had one too right go back to the 21

00:16:02.240 election there was a separatist party federally the maverick party it was a fringe it had some

00:16:06.440 former uh members of parliament involved in it jay hill uh there is you know it's there but it's not

00:16:12.620 getting off the ground yeah they didn't even get one percent of the vote in alberta so who cares

00:16:16.700 this gives a dangerous opportunity for something to actually grow there.

00:16:21.860 Oh, dangerous. Dangerous. Something might happen. Something might grow. Danger.

00:16:25.820 Now, Mel, I was surprised to hear Abby Lewis and the Gang of Five being played as a force in this,

00:16:30.480 but here we are. I mean, what do you make of what we've heard from the premature,

00:16:34.460 the rationale, the approach she's taken here?

00:16:36.400 Yeah, it was really interesting. And, you know, kudos to you in that interview,

00:16:40.000 because you kept tasking her on, you know, why are you still going ahead with this,

00:16:46.160 you're saying that you want to stay in canada and the reasons behind that and and to me the

00:16:49.840 way the way that yeah yeah we i will be making a completely separate video on david cochran's 0.88

00:16:56.000 interview with danielle smith it was asinine that he should just change his last name to asinine

00:17:01.760 because it would make it would save me having to actually just say the word over and over again

00:17:06.080 if i just had to already say it to introduce the man oh why are you calling the referendum

00:17:11.520 if you don't support it because people signed 300 000 signatures were collected to have it and

00:17:17.680 we're dang well going to have at least a version of it if the courts won't let us like democracy

00:17:23.180 is confusing to these people people went through the democratic process collected the signatures

00:17:28.100 in winter and you're like well why are we even having it while all of us in this nice toronto

00:17:32.760 office are collecting our tongues and saying it's so terrible maybe or maybe they're in ottawa i

00:17:37.520 don't actually know like oh my goodness we don't like it in our fancy cocktail party in Toronto

00:17:42.040 why are we even doing this oh my goodness this really perms my hair it's like having to describe

00:17:48.980 anything to these people it's like having to teach a toddler like calculus it's impossible

00:17:55.180 she was responding it sort of sounds like this is someone who um when the separatist movement

00:18:03.820 was helpful to her it was helpful to fuel that and to you know use it to her advantage in order to

00:18:10.460 get to where she's going and now that that is can she describe what she means by that when was it

00:18:14.860 useful to danielle smith when did she use it notice how there was no example there because

00:18:19.860 there is no example she's never used the alberta separatist movement for anything

00:18:24.660 people will try and point to old and uh to separate to get a pipeline no she didn't

00:18:30.300 No, she didn't. She just said that you realize the sentiment for separatism has risen like 10 points over the last few years, simply because people haven't been able, you know, there's no pipeline built. Albertans feel, you know, mistreated. It's just, she just uses it as a talking point of saying, you know, people feel disrespected because they do. Of course they do.

00:18:48.080 that she hasn't even used she's not been in the league with the separatist movement but again

00:18:52.480 these people are all butthurt because danielle smith is clearing the decks so that this is not 0.94

00:18:58.160 going to be an issue for her in her 2027 re-election this is going to basically mean

00:19:03.600 that naheed benji is politically cancerous because everything else about the man is detestable he is

00:19:11.160 a know-it-all dweeb who does hates anyone who's ever worked with their hands he has a layabout 0.81

00:19:18.060 professor. He literally wants to run against parental rights in favor of banning coal mining

00:19:25.680 in the Rockies. He wants to raise taxes on businesses. He wants to basically stop the

00:19:34.200 oil and gas industry from developing at the speed that Daniel Smith wants to develop at.

00:19:39.240 I don't know what he even offers that would actually entice Albertans. The only thing he

00:19:45.060 has is, oh my goodness, you had to vote for me or we're going to separate. He knows that they're

00:19:48.520 not going to separate. He just wants you to think that we are if you don't vote for him and if you

00:19:53.920 don't vote against the separatist referendum and then vote for him and the NDP. That is his only

00:19:59.260 game. And if he doesn't actually get to be on the ballot with a referendum, he's screwed. And right 0.92

00:20:05.320 now, Nenshi is butthurt because he's screwed. Happen. She's kind of over her skis a little bit 0.99

00:20:10.260 is now going to have to figure out how to manage going forward the the question around you know you

00:20:16.260 just signed this this mou with with the prime minister and that being put at risk because the

00:20:20.900 business community is just it it it's a little bit bonkers to to understand that you would put

00:20:28.740 something that you've worked so hard for uh you know she talked about working with prime minister

00:20:34.340 Notice what she's doing right now. She's attempting to try and pave the pathway to blame Danielle Smith for a pipeline not being built. Oh, you work so hard on this MOU with Mark Carney and you're going to throw it all away for a separatist referendum and scare businesses away. 1.00

00:20:53.940 No, she's providing certainty by showing the movement doesn't have the teeth that the media

00:21:00.500 pretends it has. That's the funny thing. Even though the media will one moment actually say

00:21:06.380 that the support isn't there, they will then fear monger about foreign interference and foreign

00:21:11.680 money supporting it. Oh my goodness, and data leaks. Oh my goodness, they could win because

00:21:15.540 of cheating. It's like they're not going to win, guys. You like to pretend that they're going to

00:21:19.580 win in order to hurt Danielle Smith and then call her some traitor to the country. But you

00:21:26.240 yourselves know that the support is not there. And now she's, again, trying to say that somehow

00:21:31.660 this referendum in October is her throwing out the whole MOU in the pipeline. No. The person

00:21:38.640 who's throwing away the pipeline is Mark Carney, who has put so many dumb stipulations in the

00:21:44.160 agreement that it's guaranteed no pipeline's ever going to get built.

00:21:47.540 Trudeau talking about putting this on the on the paper with Prime Minister Kearney.

00:21:52.120 You're putting that completely at risk by going ahead with this and not only going ahead with this, going ahead with this a week after signing that MOU with the prime minister.

00:21:59.320 It just seems nonsensical. And it also to, you know, credit with the interview.

00:22:05.500 She was a good communicator in talking about why she was going ahead with this.

00:22:09.040 But there was no real reason other than, you know, we said that we would listen to people and now we're going to listen to people.

00:22:13.840 there are a plethora of other ways to listen to people and um this this is yeah but you said that

00:22:19.900 you were going to honor the petition signatures and hold a referendum if people collected enough

00:22:27.580 to do it you only needed around 177 000 or so they have over 300 000 yeah well they're unverified

00:22:33.860 like the other guy said yeah come on we really think they're all fake they're real come up they're

00:22:38.180 real guys i saw them collecting the signatures myself down the hill from where i live they were

00:22:43.860 definitely doing it i know tons of people who signed the thing we're just going to pretend to

00:22:48.820 be stupid and like there's no legitimate reason to hold it the only reason they didn't verify 0.84

00:22:53.140 them was because of the courts blocking it being verified it's just a super extreme one so so greg 0.99

00:22:58.660 before i get to you i want to just show something from uh one of the liberal mps because the prime

00:23:02.500 ministry is trading lightly on this referendum but one of the alberta mps is laying out exactly

00:23:06.660 what he thinks about this in a post on social media cory hogan wrote in part the simple reality

00:23:12.340 a reality you would not find in her speech her being the premier is this she has pushed along

00:23:16.580 a question because her group has threatened to bring down her and her party if she does not

00:23:21.300 her internal political problems have become our national crisis yes there are some separatist

00:23:28.020 people who threaten that if daniel smith doesn't put forward the question they're going to try and

00:23:32.420 and take over the ucp party now the separatist people tried to take over the ucp party at the

00:23:37.300 last ucp agm and they pretty much i believe they lost every single board election position

00:23:44.180 available because at the end of the day even if you like the idea of independence in the ucp

00:23:49.300 you don't want the independence people just running the ucp you don't want single issue

00:23:54.340 people just taking over the party and then demanding that we all have to cater to their

00:23:57.860 you know hobby horse issue again you might care about it very deeply and you might have good

00:24:03.300 reasons for it fair enough i'm not trying to denigrate that i'm trying to denigrate those

00:24:06.900 who would basically take over a big tent political party and demand it's going to be about

00:24:11.540 independence now these people are not going to succeed in doing that plus i'm pretty sure that

00:24:16.500 there would actually be a good reason that if you noticed a bunch of people are trying to join

00:24:20.660 for the sole purpose of just independent stuff you could kick them out and say you're not joining for

00:24:24.820 for a legitimate purpose you're not really interested in becoming a ucp member you're

00:24:28.840 joining because you know mitch sylvester told you to join and you're going to try and take over the

00:24:33.040 party that's not actual democracy that's basically just a shakedown anyway so but no and even the

00:24:39.840 separatists are still mad at danielle smith because they don't like the question even though

00:24:42.740 she can't ask a stronger question if she wanted to greg what are your thoughts on that that's a

00:24:47.440 pretty unequivocal statement from cory hogan there yeah it's very well said i mean in her

00:24:52.480 attempts to unify Alberta, she's unified us all with none of us can figure out what this

00:24:57.360 referendum is actually about. You know, I understand being allergic to commitment, but

00:25:02.560 I didn't know that Greg McEachern was allergic to reading. You can literally read the question.

00:25:07.260 Do you want Alberta to remain in Canada? Or do you want them to start the legal process

00:25:12.040 to have a binding referendum on separating from the country, which might take years to actually

00:25:17.820 be able to do that legal process and make sure that the courts would actually clear the question.

00:25:21.860 but that's not confusing i could read it i could understand what it was but apparently greg mckecker

00:25:28.420 and liberal like a political expert here doesn't know what it means you know a referendum to have

00:25:33.780 a referendum seems a little odd and and now her you know her she explains why she had to do that

00:25:40.660 political spectrum and her supporters are from the you know the pipeline supporters to the

00:25:45.300 51st state curious and i think she's really diminished herself this week um she you know

00:25:51.140 Mel and I both have talked about, you know, she's a very, very able communicator,

00:25:56.580 but Graham pointed out right away the issues when she keeps citing, you know, the numbers

00:26:01.300 that participated in this. It's like, you know, it's like, it's self-defense that these people

00:26:06.660 got involved, you know. The 400,000 assigned Tom LeCassox, they'd be happy to have this go away,

00:26:11.780 or most of them, you know, and all of them. And you know, like I saw you raise that twice.

00:26:15.300 If you're admitting that, if you're saying that they would like this to go away,

00:26:18.420 the 400 000 who signed his petition you're just admitting that lukasik was only doing this for

00:26:25.620 like was a bad actor from the beginning he was just trying to block the other petition

00:26:29.860 and at the end of the day what what have they proven that they're willing to have a debate

00:26:34.500 on this issue that they're willing to go around signing papers regarding this issue so why don't 0.75

00:26:39.220 we just throw in a ballot box and end it now it's with her i saw i think it's doing breath the the

00:26:44.180 The political scientist was on the hour before your show saying something similar.

00:26:48.260 The case when politicians get involved and they're running from municipal,

00:26:51.980 they're going to go federal, things like this, the game changes.

00:26:54.900 And so this is where things, you know, like expectations, media training.

00:26:59.140 I think that she has elevated herself because Canadians really, really care,

00:27:05.040 elevated herself to this another level of debate.

00:27:07.920 And what she's bringing to the debate, it's not strong enough.

00:27:11.500 I think she might have been able to push this stuff around, you know, a couple of months ago.

00:27:16.000 But now the stakes are higher and the questions are tougher when she's in a press conference.

00:27:22.400 I don't think she looks as strong as she did.

00:27:25.780 Look, if you are considered strong because you're in front of a mob and you're, you know, running towards Ottawa,

00:27:33.320 but you're too scared to look over your shoulder and to say to the mob, listen.

00:27:37.640 is it just me or i have no clue what greg mckekern is even attempting to say right now

00:27:46.580 there's a mob and you're are you you're looking strong or not because you're running towards

00:27:51.540 ottawa but you don't want to look back at the mob because the mob might say something to you it's

00:27:56.240 like i i apparently he's like trying to imply that danielle smith is weak because she's being

00:28:02.400 forced into this by the evil orcs that run the separatist movement or whatever it's like

00:28:08.640 okay um i guess is that why she stated outright that she would vote to stay in the country

00:28:15.120 because she's scared of them and what they want like um okay uh well i'm kind of done with him

00:28:22.400 there i don't think we need to listen to any more of that cbc panel what i now want to do just

00:28:26.880 quickly jump over to what um to what mr naheed nenshi said about all this it's a bit of a shorter

00:28:33.760 clip here than that prep that panel obviously uh but i just want to go into naheed nenshi again

00:28:41.300 attempting to use this to attack danielle smith because the issue is not about independence the

00:28:45.560 issue is about danielle smith and he is not a happy camper because he knows that this has

00:28:51.400 completely upended his 2027 election strategy the full choice referendum do you want alberta to

00:29:00.520 remain a province of canada or do you want the government of alberta to start the lengthy

00:29:03.840 negotiations to have another referendum to stay out of canada and in fact i would argue that many

00:29:08.940 separatists would say no i want alberta to stay but i want alberta to negotiate with ottawa so

00:29:13.380 how do you answer the question by the way the answer is you say i want alberta to stay

00:29:16.900 there seems to be like a big brainworm problem in the both the cbc studio as well as in the

00:29:26.960 ndp offices in alberta uh did he not understand the question like greg mcg greg mckecher and

00:29:33.160 didn't understand the question it's that they will start the process of making sure that they

00:29:38.700 could set up a question that would be binding that is what the question says as what danielle

00:29:45.000 smith clarified but apparently he it was too complicated for nenshi to understand 0.59

00:29:52.600 but i don't know yes he's got he's just got nothing but with that said it's ridiculous

00:29:58.840 it's pandering this referendum will cost albertan taxpayers anywhere between 50 and 100 million

00:30:04.440 dollars in cash no it won't it's literally going on the ballot with nine other referendum questions

00:30:10.920 the alberta government was already going to ask if anything this question in particular might cost

00:30:16.600 an extra million bucks he just throws out that number oh my goodness she's spending a hundred 1.00

00:30:21.480 million dollars the entire referendum is only going to for all the questions there's only going 0.96

00:30:26.840 to cost around 10 to 20 million but somehow it's going to cost at minimum another 20 up to somehow

00:30:32.760 a hundred and unlimited amount and i'd rather have that in hospitals and schools myself

00:30:38.120 but in addition to that it will cause untold economic strife and it will cause untold emotional

00:30:46.080 strife for a question that will have zero results the other nine questions if it gets voted down

00:30:51.620 the result is that people want to stay in canada so i don't know how he came to the conclusion that

00:30:56.720 it will have no result the way the anti-immigrant questions the ridiculous unconstitutional

00:31:02.200 questions are also meaningless literally not one thing will change if you vote yes or no on any of

00:31:08.980 those questions the separatism one is different because if we don't well i thought he said that

00:31:14.420 nothing would change with the separatism one now he's saying that that's the only one that things

00:31:18.260 would change with and by the way what's happening with the other questions is that they are policy

00:31:23.480 questions and the smith government because we're still a year away from another election happening

00:31:28.940 more than a year away from the next election, she's basically getting a mandate to pursue those 1.00

00:31:33.100 things before the actual election happens. Because there's this principle that a party should probably 0.57

00:31:37.940 try and not do too many things that it didn't run on doing, unless something came up and it has to

00:31:43.120 react to it. Generally, you should stick to what you said. So what Daniel Smith's doing is saying,

00:31:47.220 hey, we never ran on a bunch of these things. So how about we put it to voters, they tell us what

00:31:51.740 they think, and then we have a mandate to deal with it. Really smart move. A really good move

00:31:57.360 to have referendums to give yourself a mandate for things. Not give it to you, but let Albertans

00:32:01.320 give you the mandate. But apparently, again, this is also confusing to Nahid Nenshi.

00:32:05.760 Don't have a resounding, massive vote against separatism. That means this will just continue.

00:32:11.920 The way that Danielle has written this, it's going to continue anyway. But at least let's

00:32:16.120 send her a message by number one, giving her the thumping defeat in this referendum that she

00:32:20.800 deserves and number two what thumping defeat she's literally against separatism she is a federalist

00:32:28.080 what we need to give her the thumping defeat that she deserves who giving her the thumping defeat

00:32:33.840 in the next election that she deserves no no she's not losing the next provincial election

00:32:44.320 what if she's not actually on the ballot with the referendum but apparently we need to deliver that 1.00

00:32:50.160 nasty separatist witch 1.00

00:32:52.320 Danielle Smith, a thumping defeat at the 1.00

00:32:54.380 ballot box this October

00:32:56.000 on the referendum for separation.

00:32:59.340 He's so 0.50

00:33:00.280 terrible. He's just such 0.99

00:33:02.500 a bad politician.

00:33:04.200 Nobody likes Nahid Menchie.

00:33:06.440 I don't think his own supporters like him.

00:33:08.600 They just tolerate him.

00:33:10.360 He was the biggest name on the ballot during their leadership

00:33:12.480 and that's how he won.

00:33:13.940 Again, I like doing my impression of Nahid Menchie

00:33:16.460 because he kind of talks like this.

00:33:18.200 we need to go and give 0.96

00:33:20.460 that horrible human being 0.98

00:33:22.740 Daniel Smith a thumping 0.97

00:33:24.400 defeat at this next

00:33:26.200 at this referendum and then

00:33:28.440 at the next provincial election

00:33:30.460 he just kind of does this weird like

00:33:32.480 yo-yoing thing with his fingers

00:33:34.120 constantly like twitching his head around

00:33:36.440 and closing his eyes like he's staring directly

00:33:38.600 into the sun

00:33:39.320 oh my goodness but

00:33:42.260 Daniel Smith good for

00:33:44.480 you you have completely destroyed

00:33:46.560 the game of the liberal media and the Alberta NDP, and you are probably now going to sail to an easy

00:33:52.700 provincial re-election victory in 2027, because now the whole referendum question has been put

00:33:59.360 to rest. It was in fact the NDP and the media who wanted this to go on forever, but because they are

00:34:05.560 liars, they are now claiming the opposite to be true after Daniel Smith has put the whole thing

00:34:10.700 to bed. At the very least, it will be in bed finally by the time October rolls around. 0.93

00:34:16.560 Anyways, with all that being said, hopefully I didn't tick off too many people who are in favor of independence. I agree with a lot of your arguments. I disagree with some of them. And I actually find that in certain senses, I'd agree a lot with you, but I just have a different way of trying to get Alberta as much as possible.

00:34:34.680 I very much see an independent Alberta as yes, a lot of things would definitely improve 100%. I also see it as okay, you're stealing the keys to the kingdom to the rest of the country to reform. But in an independent Alberta, I would say the highs are not as high as a properly functioning Canada. The lows aren't as low either as a dysfunctional Canada. And that's kind of what I do.

00:34:59.200 I am an optimist. I'm a bit of a gambler, even though I don't literally gamble. And so I would rather have the chance at that 10 out of 10 perfect outcome where Canada reforms itself, then retreating to a smaller jurisdiction to make it a little bit better than the current country, maybe even a lot better, but not 10 out of 10 amazing, like if just the whole country started chugging along and actually functioning properly once again.

00:35:24.420 anyways with all that being said thank you guys for watching like share subscribe and I'll see

00:35:29.980 you guys all

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - May 23, 2026

CBC Melts Down after Danielle Smith's Alberta Referendum Move!

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