The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - February 08, 2025


China targets Freeland in Liberal leadership race to help Mark Carney and Trudeau


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Chrystia Freeland's campaign has been targeted by a group of pro-China internet trolls, and Mark Carney has been accused of colluding with them. Is China behind all of this, or is it just a coincidence?

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00:00:00.000 Here is another way that Mark Carney is basically just Justin Trudeau with less charisma.
00:00:06.780 China loves the guy.
00:00:08.800 Not only does China love him, but they're trying to make sure he wins the liberal leadership.
00:00:14.080 This is according to the Bureau, but has been reported elsewhere.
00:00:17.640 The headline here is,
00:00:19.600 And yes, basically, the intelligent threats to election task force has gone through WeChat,
00:00:47.600 which is a Chinese-based social media platform,
00:00:50.600 and it has detected at least 30 accounts going around,
00:00:54.380 basically acting as bots to dump out misinformation and disinformation about Chrystia Freeland to help Mark Carney.
00:01:02.560 Because who else are they helping?
00:01:04.360 Are they helping Ruby Dalla?
00:01:06.080 Are they helping Karina Gould?
00:01:08.280 Frank Bayless?
00:01:09.480 I don't think so.
00:01:11.420 And again, am I sympathetic to Chrystia Freeland?
00:01:15.280 Not really.
00:01:16.000 I think Chrystia Freeland and Mark Carney and these other people are all pretty much corrupt,
00:01:21.400 except Ruby Dalla. 0.98
00:01:22.780 She's just a very strange candidate for this liberal leadership race. 1.00
00:01:26.260 But this is obviously trying to help Mark Carney,
00:01:29.040 so I specifically just dislike Mark Carney more.
00:01:33.720 It's obvious that they know that if they put Mark Carney in place,
00:01:37.080 that he is going to hold down the Canadian economy and pump up free trade with countries like China.
00:01:42.060 This is actually the big danger of the recent tariff conflict that didn't end up happening between Canada and the United States.
00:01:50.340 I think the liberal establishment, including Mark Carney most especially,
00:01:55.500 as the financial advisor, would like nothing more than an excuse to start trading with U.S. enemies like China, Iran,
00:02:05.400 and other anti-Western nations.
00:02:07.980 Justin Trudeau has been extremely easy on China during his entire tenure of office,
00:02:13.360 and Mark Carney has been there advising Trudeau along the way for much of the time.
00:02:18.540 And on top of that, we also have those videos from before when he was Trudeau's economic advisor,
00:02:25.720 of Pierre Polyev questioning him in committee.
00:02:28.220 This is before Polyev is even the Conservative Party leader,
00:02:31.780 where Mark Carney admits to supporting pipelines in countries like Brazil and the United Arab Emirates,
00:02:37.720 but says there's no business case, there's no environmental case,
00:02:41.600 to have pipelines or new oil and gas ventures in our country, but elsewhere it's okay.
00:02:49.120 Again, this is why I suspect that China likes Mark Carney quite a bit.
00:02:54.240 He is somebody who will only ever basically champion international economic development
00:02:59.500 while basically just kind of throwing his hands up in the air and saying,
00:03:03.020 who really cares whenever there's an actual opportunity for Canadians to get ahead?
00:03:07.600 And I want to quickly talk about the reaction that Mark Carney's campaign has had to this,
00:03:13.060 because what they should have said was absolutely nothing.
00:03:16.400 I don't even know why he even acknowledged what this happened, because it just makes him look bad.
00:03:23.100 It's really stupid for him to say anything, because everyone knows who this is trying to help.
00:03:28.500 So he should have just ghosted it.
00:03:30.200 But Mark Carney said in response to this,
00:03:33.200 I fully support Chrystia Freeland and her campaign in the light of this disturbing report.
00:03:39.580 I am fully committed to defending the integrity of this race and stand firm against any attempts to undermine our democracy.
00:03:46.420 Well, you're committed to defending the integrity of this race.
00:03:51.000 A candidate who is actually threatening to you was already kicked out, Chandra Aria.
00:03:56.420 And if you're going to say, well, Chandra Aria, because I've seen this rumor on social media,
00:04:00.760 Chandra Aria was removed because he was probably involved in foreign interference himself.
00:04:05.680 Well, what's Mark Carney's campaign involved with?
00:04:08.620 We should probably look into this, because there's already a lot of hinky stuff going on on his campaign,
00:04:14.180 with him being briefed by cabinet ministers, giving daily updates to cabinet and having them brief him.
00:04:22.120 Like, that's not how you act if you truly are an outsider.
00:04:26.060 And if anything, that should be illegal.
00:04:28.340 But Mark Carney goes on here to say,
00:04:30.560 my deepest gratitude to the national security and intelligence officials who lead this important work
00:04:35.820 to sustain trust in our democratic process.
00:04:39.280 What are you going to do about it?
00:04:40.400 I know he can say that I'm going to stand up for the integrity of the race.
00:04:44.620 I'm going to defend stuff.
00:04:47.760 How?
00:04:48.540 How are you going to defend stuff?
00:04:49.880 Are you going to pass a foreign agent's law?
00:04:51.820 I know we've kind of been doing that in Canada,
00:04:53.980 but are you going to dig deeper on the Hogue report that came out,
00:04:57.560 which was basically just a censored report by the former justices they had dig into this.
00:05:04.320 And it was just kind of like trying to show that there are problems,
00:05:07.720 but blame no one in particular, even though the report was chock full of indications
00:05:13.180 that a liberal MP or a liberal minister was engaging with a Chinese or Iranian front group
00:05:19.780 and obviously being used, which were being used to curry favor with those elected officials.
00:05:24.860 It always excuses.
00:05:26.480 It was just a happenstance.
00:05:28.660 This person didn't know.
00:05:29.820 Well, how do you know they didn't know?
00:05:31.640 They won't even name who the MPs are.
00:05:33.480 We kind of know who a lot of the MPs are, but like, my goodness.
00:05:38.320 I want to get over to what Chrystia Freeland's campaign had said here.
00:05:41.940 But again, the funny thing is, again, I don't feel sympathy for Chrystia Freeland as like a politician.
00:05:48.120 I think she's terrible and corrupt too, but she legitimately is the outsider of this race. 1.00
00:05:54.040 She is actually the person that Team Trudeau hates because she decided to turn on them at the last moment. 0.95
00:06:00.800 And that's really the standard in Team Trudeau.
00:06:03.900 You're either fully 110% with Trudeau.
00:06:07.460 You, like, will give him a pint of your blood to sustain him every month,
00:06:13.440 or you will be thrown out of the back of the van and probably run over a few times.
00:06:18.280 Because Freeland used to be a close ally of Trudeau.
00:06:20.900 Everyone knows this.
00:06:21.940 Former deputy prime minister, former finance minister,
00:06:24.700 helped feed the helpless body of Bill Morneau under the liberal bus for the We Charity scandal,
00:06:31.220 which had little to do with Bill Morneau and was, in fact, a Justin Trudeau scandal.
00:06:36.600 But because at the end, she then gets mad at Trudeau for making her basically blow out the deficit
00:06:42.420 even more than she originally was, and she looks like an idiot, and he's done this to her before.
00:06:46.560 Now she's persona non grata, can't trust her.
00:06:50.140 All the liberal cheerleaders are online and say, what a snake. 1.00
00:06:54.100 I can't believe she would do this to Justin, the man of principle.
00:06:59.000 But Christy Freeland, in response to the intelligence report that came out, said,
00:07:05.480 Again, even Xi's not going to do anything about foreign interference.
00:07:25.740 Nothing's being protected.
00:07:27.820 Things are just being mentioned.
00:07:30.100 Is this stuff still happening on WeChat?
00:07:32.040 Absolutely.
00:07:32.560 Have they done anything to counter the disinformation, misinformation?
00:07:36.480 Give people notices within the party that there are lies going on in WeChat?
00:07:40.380 Probably not.
00:07:41.700 And that's where we're at.
00:07:43.360 Anyways, I want to do an update on what's kind of going on in the liberal party leadership at the moment
00:07:48.720 and how I think that this is going to kind of play out.
00:07:51.980 I think we all kind of know there's like a 90% shot that Mark Carney is going to win.
00:07:56.340 But the thing that I'm seeing early on, and I know some people are pointing to specific polls
00:08:01.120 where the liberals are actually getting really close to the conservatives.
00:08:04.420 What we have to realize is even Kim Campbell, for a brief moment of time,
00:08:08.500 actually did eclipse the Kretchen liberals in 1993.
00:08:13.040 Parties get this kind of false sense of energy and momentum as they select a new leader.
00:08:18.320 That doesn't even mean their actual support base has grown at all.
00:08:21.320 It's not that it grows and then it's going to retract.
00:08:23.740 What happens is a response bias.
00:08:25.540 People who are now more excited who are voting liberal, same group of people,
00:08:30.380 maybe it's expanded by a couple points,
00:08:32.700 they are now far more likely to pick up the phone and tell you who they're voting for.
00:08:36.760 So, in fact, the party might have always been at 26%, 27%,
00:08:40.300 but there were so many people depressed at the prospect of running another election with Trudeau,
00:08:44.740 who was going to obviously get clobbered,
00:08:46.940 that as soon as it's Mark Carney or Freeland as the potential leadership prospects,
00:08:51.300 even though both of them, in theory, could lose even harder than Trudeau,
00:08:55.320 these same people are picking up the phone and telling people what they actually think.
00:08:58.900 So, there was probably an artificial depression in the liberal voter base
00:09:04.060 that was causing them not to take polls,
00:09:05.980 and now there is an artificial excitement getting them to take polls.
00:09:10.340 Same thing happened again to Kim Campbell in 1993.
00:09:13.520 Same thing definitely happened to Kamala Harris after she replaced Biden. 1.00
00:09:18.000 All the Democrats started taking the polls again, and she rocketed it up, 0.95
00:09:22.420 and then she kind of slumped back down very quickly afterwards.
00:09:26.240 So, I think once we see Mark Carney in this role,
00:09:29.180 it's going to be, as the leader, he's going to probably fade pretty quickly.
00:09:34.220 Now, I just want to talk quickly about Ruby Dalla,
00:09:36.380 because this actually does have to do with the race.
00:09:39.400 There actually is something with Ruby Dalla
00:09:41.760 that actually has a strong ability to affect how this thing is going to play out.
00:09:46.460 So, Ruby Dalla, a former MP in the Liberal caucus between 2004 and 2011,
00:09:55.180 she was actually, in fact, rated like one of the worst people to work for in Parliament, 0.98
00:09:58.520 because she can be a bit of a diva, and you can kind of tell from her campaign, 1.00
00:10:01.600 although it's been a fun campaign.
00:10:03.600 She says,
00:10:04.120 And she's actually running, like, a shadow conservative campaign inside the Liberal Party.
00:10:25.380 I commend her. It's interesting.
00:10:28.500 She's even calling herself, like, the female Canadian Trump.
00:10:31.820 You know, again, more power to her.
00:10:34.880 And the reason this matters, because you could say this is ridiculous,
00:10:38.020 someone who's not going to win,
00:10:39.080 I don't know how many memberships she has.
00:10:40.860 There's only 400,000 active memberships.
00:10:43.480 Maybe there's a good amount of people inside the Liberal Party
00:10:45.620 when they read her emails, and they see her posts,
00:10:48.040 say, like, you know, I could actually get behind some of this.
00:10:50.360 And then she has all the ironic, like, non-liberal sign-ups
00:10:53.640 who are just voting for her because they hate Carney and Freeland.
00:10:56.300 But the reason this does matter is that there might be a debate.
00:11:01.440 And if there's a debate, do you think Mark Carney survives that debate?
00:11:05.920 Watching him is like watching paint dry in slow motion.
00:11:09.820 It's terrible.
00:11:11.220 Freeland could beat him in a debate.
00:11:13.040 Because Freeland has the ability, although she's awful,
00:11:16.160 although she's twitchy and kind of awkward,
00:11:18.160 she can go for the jugular. 1.00
00:11:19.340 Mark Carney in every piece of media I've seen him in is just awful.
00:11:24.400 He is professorial in a way that it's not even Ignatieff-like.
00:11:30.820 Ignatieff could be interesting.
00:11:32.660 He kind of has this kind of John Kerry caricature feel.
00:11:37.440 Mark Carney just feels like, man, we have found a generic guy.
00:11:42.300 And so in a debate setting, Freeland and Ruby could actually take a strip out of this guy.
00:11:49.720 And I'm convinced at this point that Karina Gould might have actually flipped on Carney.
00:11:55.060 Because there's no chance that if the liberals are getting back in with Carney.
00:11:59.840 So why end up making yourself a pariah in your liberal circles by helping him win and then crashing the party
00:12:07.120 and then everyone just sees you as some sort of kamikaze candidate to take out Freeland?
00:12:11.100 Because early on it seemed like that was what was going on.
00:12:13.300 Because Karina just happened to do her announcement that I'm running and then her official launch right at the same time as Christia Freeland,
00:12:22.520 which seemed like the way of taking energy out of the race.
00:12:25.860 But Karina, who also qualified with the other $125,000 deposit that she needed, she is now calling for a debate. 0.97
00:12:35.380 And the one thing Carney does not want is a debate.
00:12:38.020 Because he's going to be asked about the CCP stuff.
00:12:40.640 He's going to be asked about all of his connections to Trudeau and Team Trudeau, Katie Talford, Gerald Butts.
00:12:45.660 He is going to be asked about all of his work in England and Liz Truss and other people saying he's utterly incompetent.
00:12:52.280 He's a bully. He's just a complete weasel when he was the Bank of England governor.
00:12:58.200 People can ask him about his Bank of Canada record, which his record's just okay.
00:13:02.900 And it's okay off of the back of Stephen Harper doing all the work.
00:13:06.640 He kept the fiscal and monetary policy steady.
00:13:10.180 And all Mark Carney had to do was follow his orders.
00:13:12.960 So he does not want to debate because Mark Carney only wins off of a sense of inevitability.
00:13:19.040 Once he has a bad debate, it's like, this guy is going to be the reaction with a lot of liberals.
00:13:25.760 And I'm a conservative.
00:13:26.600 Again, I don't like any of these people.
00:13:27.960 Even Ruby Dahl is not conservative enough for me to vote for her if she was a liberal party leader up against Pollyov. 0.99
00:13:33.280 Obviously, I'd be voting for Pollyov. 0.98
00:13:35.260 But still, I can see a liberal.
00:13:38.360 I can at least kind of get in the mind of a liberal who desperately wants to feel like they have the energy to beat Pollyov.
00:13:44.260 If they don't, I will show you how the polling – it's basically a polling mirage out there for the liberals right now.
00:13:50.520 But they don't want a guy who is immediately going to give them the sense that, yeah, this guy's not going to be able to fight Pollyov.
00:13:56.000 They want someone who can hit hard.
00:13:57.800 And the problem is nobody in this race can hit hard.
00:14:01.280 Less – like, in the worst is Mark Carney himself.
00:14:05.200 Have you seen any of his campaign videos?
00:14:06.820 It's, like, comatose.
00:14:07.820 Like, you're waiting for him to fall asleep.
00:14:09.220 So that's where I actually think that it's going to start dogging him that he won't do a debate this election cycle.
00:14:15.720 He's going to keep saying, oh, I don't have enough time.
00:14:17.740 I'm too busy meeting with Canadians at events with, like, five people at them.
00:14:21.900 Yeah, some of his events probably had, like, 70 people.
00:14:24.360 But you're running for a liberal party leadership.
00:14:26.560 You're running to be prime minister.
00:14:28.280 And you can't fill a room.
00:14:29.560 He has to pick, like, hallways to fill whenever he's actually trying to make himself look impressive.
00:14:33.520 To this day, Pollyov can fill a room of people, even if he's been to that town or city 10,000 times.
00:14:41.420 He'll show up again, and there will be 700 people in the room minimum.
00:14:45.820 Minimum.
00:14:46.500 He can go to towns with only, like, 7,000 people, and there will be 400 people in that room.
00:14:51.740 He will have a significant percentage of the town show up.
00:14:55.480 So, yeah.
00:14:56.780 That's pretty much it for me today, guys.
00:14:58.600 So, yeah.
00:14:59.420 China's back in Carney. 0.98
00:15:00.720 Why wouldn't they?
00:15:01.520 You know, he is Mr. Central Bank Digital Currency.
00:15:04.780 The one thing that the CCP loves is CBDCs.
00:15:07.840 He's massively involved and very supportive of the WF, the UN, all very anti-Western institutions,
00:15:14.420 proto-socialist institutions.
00:15:16.620 So, yeah.
00:15:19.020 Terrible, awful.
00:15:20.520 Hope he loses.
00:15:21.780 But, anyways, that's it for me, guys.
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