The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - July 04, 2024


Clueless Liberal MP blames Conservatives for Liberal failures!

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Wyatt Claypool
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Mark Gerritsen Justin Trudeau Erin O'Toole Karen McDougal Ralph Klein
Justin Trudeau is running away from his own Liberal MPs Eby and the BC NDP know the Conservatives can beat them

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After 9 years in office, the Liberals are still in denial about their unpopularity. In an interview with the Kingston and the Islands MP, Mark Gerritsen said that the problem is not with the Liberals, it's with the Tories.

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00:00:00.000 As enjoyable as it is to watch Liberal Party officials and politicians finally realize after nine years of their government that Canadians don't like them,
00:00:09.980 what's even more entertaining is watching the few remaining Liberal MPs still in denial or completely clueless of their own unpopularity.
00:00:19.880 Yes, this might seem like low-hanging fruit, but isn't low-hanging fruit also the most delicious?
00:00:24.800 Today we're going to talk about this very embarrassing interview that Liberal MP from Kingston and the Islands, Mark Gerritsen, did,
00:00:33.020 pretending that, no, no, no, it's not the Liberal government that's unpopular, it's just that the Conservatives have propagandized Canadians against the Liberals.
00:00:42.080 Mark, I'm going to get into this interview in a little bit, but it's so absurd, it's preposterous,
00:00:47.640 that somehow the Liberals cannot stand up in the face of Conservative propaganda, it's just too powerful.
00:00:54.000 You guys basically have the entire legacy media willing to do softball interviews with just backbench MPs like Mark Gerritsen or your cabinet ministers to pat you on the back and say all your policies are fantastic.
00:01:07.200 You guys have the bigger propaganda machine, and yet you're losing to the Conservatives who mostly just have social media.
00:01:14.860 It might not just be that Purpolyev's really good at messaging, and it might also be because your policies are terrible.
00:01:22.280 In this interview, Mark Gerritsen, the stallion of man here in front of you, he really reminds me of the thinker here,
00:01:29.120 he is going to argue that the carbon tax was actually super popular until Purpolyev showed up.
00:01:36.820 Ridiculous, but here's him making the case.
00:01:39.200 Do you need to change cabinet, do you need to change staff, or is it just policy change, what is it?
00:01:43.480 I think it's more along the lines of our communication and policy.
00:01:47.420 You know, you brought up the carbon tax earlier, and Ken McDonald's point on that.
00:01:50.420 The carbon tax has been around since 2018.
00:01:53.060 We've had a carbon tax since 2018.
00:01:54.940 The scheduled increases since 2018.
00:01:57.000 It didn't really become an issue until Purpolyev made it an issue eight or nine months ago.
00:02:01.460 I'm going to take this in pieces.
00:02:03.200 That's about half of what he has to say here.
00:02:05.740 I'm just going to start off with his assertion that, no, no, no, it's not that the liberals need to change policy.
00:02:10.540 We just need to be better at communications.
00:02:12.880 I hate this argument.
00:02:14.380 You see it all over the place in politics from failing governments, from failing parties.
00:02:18.800 This is what the BC United Party is trying to argue out in British Columbia right now.
00:02:23.160 They're like now in fourth place in the polls. 0.99
00:02:24.880 It's completely pathetic. 1.00
00:02:26.140 But it's not that we suck. 1.00
00:02:27.980 It's just that we're bad at telling people how great we are.
00:02:31.460 It's not that hard to tell people that you're great if you're actually doing a good job.
00:02:35.520 People like Ralph Klein in Alberta could basically not even campaign and he would have still been reelected as the premier of Alberta because he was doing a good job.
00:02:45.120 You guys are not doing a good job and that requires you to put more money into messaging and marketing and trying to make people hyper aware of the tiny little programs that are giving them very small benefits that really when you add up their taxes and the value of the benefit, it doesn't even really matter.
00:03:00.720 That's a problem with the policy being bad if you have to message it a lot.
00:03:06.320 And then the second thing he said there is that, well, you know, the carbon tax wasn't unpopular until Pure Poly came around because the carbon tax was around since 2018.
00:03:16.400 Guys, I didn't even notice that you guys only won a minority government in 2019 and 2021.
00:03:22.320 You guys weren't exactly setting the world on fire back there.
00:03:25.200 You literally lost your majority government in 2019 and you still didn't re-secure it in 2021 despite running against Aaron O'Toole, the weakest conservative party leader who could have been possibly helming the party at that point.
00:03:38.840 A man who probably lost that election because he signed an agreement saying that he would scrap the carbon tax and then later flip-flopped and said he was going to pass his own version of a carbon tax after repealing the Justin Trudeau one.
00:03:52.280 The carbon tax is a big issue.
00:03:53.800 Yes, you can find polls saying, you know, 57% of people are okay with a price on pollution that they also get a rebate for.
00:04:01.440 Yeah, if you put a polling question in that way, you might have more than half the public saying, well, that sounds okay.
00:04:08.000 But the people who actually understand the issue, it doesn't matter how you phrase it, they're going to be voting for whatever party is going to scrap it.
00:04:14.920 So within that 57% of people are people who are still going to vote conservative.
00:04:19.560 You can just happen to get them to agree the carbon tax sounds good if you manipulate a certain sense.
00:04:24.940 But the rest of the people, 43%, even in these skewed polls, they're all voting conservative.
00:04:29.740 That's the problem for the liberals is that they're cutting up, even ideally, this 57% of the vote with the NDP, with the Greens, with the bloc.
00:04:38.740 They're in a terrible position for actually being able to win on an issue where they're fighting over half the support with every other party and the conservatives can own the rest.
00:04:49.740 But I'm going to keep going on with this.
00:04:50.980 The carbon tax was always unpopular.
00:04:53.620 That was the big drive against the liberals in 2019, that and SNC-Lavalin corruption.
00:04:59.260 That has to do with a communication issue and less to do with a policy issue.
00:05:04.160 So I think there's a lot of stuff built into that and a lot of stuff for us to self-reflect on that, yes, we can do in a joint meeting together or we can do individually.
00:05:13.960 I know the prime minister has been doing a lot of outreach in the last few days, reaching out to colleagues throughout the country to have discussions with them about that exactly.
00:05:21.680 Do you need to change cabinet? Do you need to change?
00:05:24.220 The party's obviously doing terribly.
00:05:26.580 Mark Gerritsen is pushing this idea that actually it's just us needing to upgrade our social media communications team is in massive denial.
00:05:35.640 And I just quickly want to bring up this is the projection numbers for Mark Gerritsen's riding of Kingston in the islands, which shows that he is now in a tight three-way race.
00:05:46.260 Just let me get that off screen with the conservatives and the NDP.
00:05:49.880 They are projecting that the conservatives will get 32% of the vote, the liberals 31%, the NDP 30%.
00:05:56.100 Maybe let's say that Mark Gerritsen would still have the edge here simply because the NDP is so broke.
00:06:01.580 Maybe they wouldn't even be able to afford to put up a good camp in this area and more of those votes would end up going towards liberals.
00:06:07.760 Even then, that's not exactly accurate.
00:06:09.500 People see the party appeals based on a political spectrum, that the conservatives are, you know, on the right, and then to the left of them is the liberals, and then to the left of them is the bloc, and then the NDP.
00:06:21.000 So if, you know, the NDP doesn't put up a candidate, all those votes go to the liberals.
00:06:25.200 The problem is, in many of these ridings, like Kingston in the islands, you're going to have a lot of blue-collar working class people voting NDP, and if the NDP wasn't an option, it doesn't mean they're going to vote liberal because it's the next party to the right.
00:06:38.540 They might vote conservative because the conservatives have a stronger blue-collar grassroots appeal than the liberals, who tend to have more of an appeal towards pensioners and those who live in, you know, dense urban financial sector-type areas.
00:06:53.620 But, so yeah, very funny.
00:06:55.900 I actually quickly want to look up what Mark Gerritsen got in the last election here, because this has been a massive fall from grace.
00:07:02.160 He used to be the mayor of Kingston.
00:07:03.820 I believe his father used to be the MPP in the area.
00:07:06.860 This is an area where it should be easy for him to keep ruining re-election.
00:07:10.640 Yeah.
00:07:11.180 So in 20, I think the writing might have changed here.
00:07:15.560 No, it didn't.
00:07:16.120 So in 2021, Mark Gerritsen got 41.1% of the vote.
00:07:21.020 The next person up was the new Democrat at 29.3% and the conservative at 23.7%.
00:07:26.560 Previously in 2019, he won 45% of the vote.
00:07:29.420 He won 55% back in 2015.
00:07:31.780 This is an easy writing to hold on to.
00:07:34.060 This writing, in a lot of ways, actually mirrors Toronto St. Paul.
00:07:37.600 The demographics should be lining up behind the liberals traditionally.
00:07:41.240 But the liberals have been kicking people in the face for so many years that you can't get them back on site.
00:07:46.240 Like right now, the UK election is going on in the United Kingdom.
00:07:49.640 The conservatives should always be able to fight for around 50% of the vote.
00:07:54.600 Not that they always get 50% of the vote.
00:07:56.600 But the conservative party, the UK Tories, should have an appeal with that many people because it's a mainstream conservative party.
00:08:03.300 They can't even hold on to more than half their vote these days.
00:08:06.480 Because when you've consistently failed on policy and when you've consistently not delivered like you've promised, nobody's going to actually show up for you.
00:08:14.020 When you don't show up for the people, they're also not going to show up for you.
00:08:17.340 That's why UK reform is getting so many votes.
00:08:20.300 In a certain sense, labor is just as bad, if not worse, than the UK Tories.
00:08:24.440 But they still have votes showing up simply because they haven't been in government.
00:08:27.660 They haven't had to deliver.
00:08:29.180 When you're in a position to deliver and you can't deliver, nobody is going to vote for you after two, three chances like the Canadian liberals have had.
00:08:37.860 But anyways, that should be it for me today, guys.
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