Conservatives up 19% over Liberals - Canadians not buying Trudeau Liberal rebrand
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Summary
Abacus Data has some good news for the Conservatives on the national polling front. While other pollsters are showing the Liberals surging under the hypothetical leadership of Mark Carney, Abacus Data double-checked with two separate surveys that shows while the Liberals are up a bit since Trudeau announced he would be stepping down in March, the Tories are not.
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There is very good news out today for the federal conservatives on the national polling front.
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While other pollsters are showing the liberals surging under the hypothetical leadership of Mark Carney,
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Abacus Data just released results that they in fact double-checked with two separate surveys
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that shows while the liberals are up a bit since Trudeau announced that he'll be resigning in March,
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they're not up that significantly, and I think it stood to reason that just swapping out Justin Trudeau
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with Chrystia Freeland or Mark Carney or somebody else wasn't really going to make the government
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Anyways, before I get into the exact details, I just want to give you guys a reminder,
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And leave a comment, especially comment on what you think about the accuracy of Abacus Data here
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I don't think the other pollsters are just making stuff up like ECOS might be.
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I think the other pollsters are just not correcting for a response bias.
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The liberal leadership is engaging a lot of liberals, so they're more likely to take polls now,
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which means they are more likely to look like they're artificially up.
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And I think Abacus Data has a better methodology to make sure that the demographics of people
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Because when you make a poll, you have to assume who's going to show up and vote.
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And I think a lot of these other pollsters are like, oh, 65% women are going to vote?
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And then they're just like putting up these polls that show the liberals significantly up
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because the demographics entering the polls are more liberal.
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Anyways, not to insult women, obviously, although women are more likely to vote NDP or liberal.
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Anyways, but here is the poll results from Abacus Data from the two separate surveys they ran to
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It shows the conservatives currently at 46% or 45%, depending on the survey, the liberals
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at 27 or 25, the NDP at 15 or 17, block 7 or 8, and so on and so forth.
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These numbers, to me, strike me as very realistic.
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Maybe I think the conservatives could be down to around 44% or 43% if it's a good day for
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But the thing that cannot be avoided here is Pyro Polyev is a very popular leader right
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He has a positive approval rating, which is very tough to pull off as a conservative because
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A lot of conventional wisdom in Canadian politics is that the conservatives are the dark, unfriendly
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It's a stupid media and left-wing political narrative, but a lot of people believe it.
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So the fact that the conservative leader has a positive approval rating of like three or
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four points is actually very telling about how well-liked they are, whereas Jagmeet Singh
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Maybe Mark Carney has a positive approval rating once he becomes a liberal leader.
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The problem with that and the problem with the polls that were coming up from Leger showing
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that if Mark Carney is the leader, the federal liberals and conservatives are tied at 37%.
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Yes, there's a certain type of older Canadian who remembers him as the governor of the Bank
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of Canada, and maybe there's a certain nostalgia for old names from the early 2000s in politics.
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I really don't think the average Canadian cares about Mark Carney.
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This feels like a repeat of Michael Ignatieff, that because so many liberals bought Michael
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Ignatieff's books and they've been watching him on TV and at book talks for so long that
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He's some random guy that liberal insiders and liberal party members might like, but the
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And that person has just awful likability ratings and name recognition when you get right down
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This feels like a Kamala Harris repeat, but in Canada, when you swap out Trudeau with
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Anyways, I want to get into some of these other numbers.
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David Coletto is doing a really good job, I think, at Abacus Data because he's been very
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transparent about the way that they balance their model.
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Because again, what you don't want to do, like I said before, is have way too many young
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people answering your poll, or way too many men or way too many women, because that's
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Elections tend to look decently similar election to election.
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Older voters show up much more than younger voters.
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But the thing is that those things get really out of whack, like you are way over polling
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older voters in the GTA or in Montreal areas, or you have too many women, like 60% of the
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people answering your poll are women, and you don't properly rebalance that, your poll
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results are not going to look like a real election.
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That is why you have to re-weight things, because young people are very unlikely to take
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They are disproportionately unlikely to take a poll, then they are even likely to vote.
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Young people don't vote very much, but they take polls even less, so you actually usually
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have to weight their results up to actually reflect what turnout would look like.
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He says, in our Apicus data poll, the big reason why I'm a bit skeptical that the conservative
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vote is collapsing is this crosstab, and he's talking about other pollsters showing the
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The liberals are definitely up, because their voters are no longer depressed, thinking they're
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going to have to vote for Justin Trudeau a fourth time.
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But it makes no sense that they'd be digging into conservative votes.
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Maybe the Bloc in Quebec, and maybe the NDP elsewhere, but they're really significantly
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I kind of doubt it, because the conservatives have been a pretty stable home for people
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to park their vote over the past couple of years, and Polyev hasn't done anything to
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embarrass himself that would make people question who they're going to vote for.
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But here is David Coletto's chart on current and past vote, and look at this.
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2021 federal conservatives, 89% of them are still saying that they're voting conservative.
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2% liberal, 2% NDP, 1 green, 1 Bloc, and 3% undecided.
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I'll zoom in a little bit more so it's easier to see.
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But 2021 liberal voters are 15% likely to be voting conservative.
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7% for the Greens, 2% for the NDP, 2% for the Bloc.
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And that's massive, considering that's a major chunk in Quebec.
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12% for the Liberals, and that's where the Liberals are eating into the NDP quite a bit.
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And 60% of NDP voters are going to be voting NDP again.
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Did not vote is actually still leaning towards the conservatives.
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They're still 39% undecided, and that's significant.
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But did not vote is only going 18% to the Liberals and 10% to the NDP.
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The buckets available for the Liberals to sort of draw votes out of is kind of running dry at this point.
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Federal conservatives from 2021 are still probably voting conservative,
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especially as the party has actually gotten more conservative.
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If they still had Aaron O'Toole around, I guarantee that federal conservative voters would be in the same position that Liberal and NDP voters are.
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That if some red Tory hack is the leader, maybe they're going to vote, you know, PPC.
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Maybe they're going to vote for another alternative party, and they're probably just going to stay home.
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Now that the Liberals are supposedly having all this excitement behind them, why isn't that their vote is reconsolidating behind their own party?
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If you, the death number I've always heard, is if you're trying to scratch, you should be starting at default with 75% of your vote from the last election willing to come and vote for you again this time.
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It's the exact same party in theory, so the exact same sort of people should be interested in showing back up.
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If you're below 75%, and especially if you're below 70%, they're at 60%, that's where your party is like just having to save the furniture.
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And I think that this is why we should maybe conceive Mark Carney's leadership, or even Chrystia Freeland,
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as the person who's going to try and save as many Liberal seats as possible.
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I've seen the chart on how this current polling for the Liberals affects their seat counts.
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This polling bump they've gotten from like 21% to 27% does save them in Toronto and Montreal.
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I'm going to get to the Atlantic and Ontario BC polling, because those are the major swing provinces.
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The Liberals are definitely up in those provinces right now from where they were previously.
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In fact, maybe they're even a little bit higher than this.
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But from when Trudeau first stepped down, they were at 23%, 22% in BC, Ontario, and Atlantic Canada.
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Now they've surged up to 30%, and the Conservatives are a little bit down, and they're at 46% now.
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There's a lot of metropolitan voters who default Liberal as long as the leader isn't entirely embarrassing.
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So many of those people who were only recently considering voting Conservative are back to voting Liberal.
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And so that 30%, when you actually put it into models, and I've seen the Quebec polling,
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it's about similar where the Liberals were falling down to mid-20s, and now they might be in low 30s again,
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They're still losing seats on the island of Montreal.
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They lose one to the Block, and they lose one to the Conservatives.
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I'm basing this off of Sheree Attiste's polling model.
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He does a really good website, polywave.ca, where he models out the elections.
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I think that you guys should go and check it out.
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But he shows that while the Conservatives grab one seat in Montreal, sorry, on Mount Royal,
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on the island of Montreal, on the Block, grab one seat, the Liberals still grab one seat back from the NDP.
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I'm not sure if that would actually happen, because I know that local NDP MP is pretty popular.
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So I think that oftentimes when a party only has one seat in a region, it's easy to assume that they're going to lose it
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based on their polling number, even though all that support's probably coming from that one riding.
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The Liberals are still losing seats on the island of Montreal.
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So right now, even if the Liberals go from 27% to 30%, that is probably simply the Liberals buying back all the seats
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that they should already be winning by default.
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Toronto should be a default for the Liberals, at least most of the downtown GTA.
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They should be winning many of the very downtown parts of Vancouver by default.
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But right now, they probably are still out like a good dozen seats in those areas
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that actually shouldn't really be in contention.
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Anyways, I want to go down and also look at some other indicators of popularity here.
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Oh, and here's a good chart on how the party would be faring under Mark Carney and Christia Freeland.
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When I see that, because this is the problem with the Leger poll,
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I don't really need to bring it up for you guys, you can trust me.
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When they polled Christia Freeland as the leader in the Leger poll,
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the Liberals came out at like 28%, and the Conservatives were at like 43%.
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Sounds decently realistic to me, but when they slot in Mark Carney,
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the parties were again, like I said before, tied at 37-37.
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Why is Mark Carney polling so much better than Christia Freeland?
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You have a lot of pro-Carni people answering the poll.
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You have a disproportionate amount of federal Liberals answering the poll
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because they're less depressed that Trudeau is no longer their leader,
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and they're picking up the phone at a rate of 90%,
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whereas a federal Conservative is only picking up the phone and answering a poll at the rate of 60%,
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and an NDP person is so unmotivated to pick up the poll
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because they secretly really don't like Jagmeet Singh.
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Many of the certain-to-vote NDP voters think Jagmeet Singh is a complete putz.
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But anyways, so that might end up being what it is.
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It's a bunch of Carney people picking up the phone,
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who would you vote for if Christia Freeland's the leader,
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and then when it gets to Carney, they're going to say Carney
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because they want to sort of, you know, support their boy.
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Anyways, but yeah, this numbers from Abacus Data shows that
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oh, wait, this is the wrong, no, no, this is the wrong one.
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That when generic Liberal, like current Trudeau Liberals,
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Christia Freeland polls all the way down at 21%,
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I don't think Christia Freeland would do that bad,
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especially because I think anyone would be more likely
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So what we've consistently found is if Carney is the leader,
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whether he surges up really close to the Conservatives
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NDPers seem susceptible to wanting to vote Liberal
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especially as this Liberal leadership race goes on
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I think that the NDP, frankly, is a bit of a cult,
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and I think that it's going to be very difficult
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and he correctly points out there is kind of a Marxist union base
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Those people would consider it a betrayal of themselves
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And the only people that you can really win over
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is maybe like, you know, the kind of school teacher
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you know, the middle class, socially progressive voter,
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But in general, that's a pretty rare thing to do.
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Most voters don't think in such an esoteric way
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Some people do it, but not really, you know, that much.
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when it comes to direction of the country and the world.
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but Canada, with the direction of Canada polling
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that's another way of saying the current government
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Yeah, the government does have an approval rating poll.
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They've been getting better since Trudeau has stepped down,
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The amount of people who approve of the government
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Carney, I don't think, will want an early election.
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One, the government is still not very well-liked,
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But these are still decently good approval ratings