The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - May 24, 2026


Danielle Smith Absolutely HUMILIATES Snarky CBC Host in Brutal Interview


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In the ongoing running battle between David Cochran and Rosemary Barton to determine who is the worst person at the CBC, I think David may have one because the interview he did with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith on her Alberta referendum question was thoroughly embarrassing.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.
00:00:06.020 I just watched the absolute worst interview I've ever witnessed in my life and you guys are going
00:00:13.480 to be forced to watch it too with me. In the ongoing running gun battle between David Cochran
00:00:19.300 and Rosemary Barton to determine who is the worst person at the CBC, I think David Cochran may have
00:00:25.600 one because the interview he did with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith on her Alberta referendum
00:00:31.420 question was thoroughly embarrassing. The man does not hide his left-wing bias and he went into the
00:00:38.740 interview trying to make a fool of Smith and just made a fool of himself. The interview, as they say 0.94
00:00:45.140 in the fashion world, is everything. It's everything and you have to see it. But before you do see it,
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00:01:05.880 sustainable for me and allows me to be less reliant on the YouTube algorithm. But let's get
00:01:12.040 into this long car crash. This is a 16-minute long car crash where David Cochran doesn't even
00:01:20.480 ask a neutral question at the beginning. He immediately jumps into the worst line of
00:01:26.580 questioning I have ever heard from a supposedly neutral commentator. Check this out. All eyes
00:01:33.820 are on Alberta as a province asks its residents to weigh in on staying in Canada or starting the
00:01:39.240 process that could lead to the breakup of the country. We begin our show today by hearing
00:01:44.220 from the province's leader. Alberta Premier Daniel Smith joins me now. Premier Smith,
00:01:49.700 third Friday in a row. Thank you for making time for us yet again. We appreciate it.
00:01:53.560 Hi, David.
00:01:54.400 If you are so determined to put this question to Albertans, why not just call an election and make
00:01:59.800 it the central issue? Because this is a process that seems to satisfy neither of the parties
00:02:04.640 agitating on this. That is quite possibly the worst question that has ever been asked to Danielle
00:02:13.380 Smith on this subject. Forever, that will be the worst question. If you are so determined to put
00:02:19.480 this question to voters, why don't you just call a provincial election? She's not determined to put
00:02:25.880 it to voters. She is, you know, she is honoring the fact that the Stay Free Alberta people have
00:02:33.000 collected over 300,000 signatures, and the Forever Canada people collected 400,000 signatures.
00:02:39.320 And yes, the Forever Canada leader, Thomas Lukasik, can keep claiming, oh, I never actually
00:02:44.320 collected the signatures to have a referendum. I wanted a legislative vote on this. Now we
00:02:49.460 didn't. No, he didn't. He's lying. He previously said he wanted a referendum, and he just wanted
00:02:54.800 a pro-Canada version of the question, just as the state-free Alberta people wanted a pro-Independence
00:03:00.020 version of the question, where saying yes would be leaving, or in the case of the Forever Canada
00:03:05.280 people, saying yes would mean staying. She's just putting forward a question, because that's what
00:03:12.180 the petitioners wanted, and they easily passed the threshold to have the referendum. And then he goes
00:03:19.240 into, why don't you have a provincial election about this? Because she's a federalist. She's 1.00
00:03:23.780 not in favor of leaving Canada. She is not pro-independence. She is simply doing her job,
00:03:30.660 which seems to elude David Cochran, who is abysmal at his own job, but is apparently trying to tell
00:03:38.040 Daniel Smith what her job is. Well, I would say a couple things. I mean, the position of my
00:03:44.660 government is that we want to remain in Canada. It's part of the reason I've been working
00:03:48.160 collaboratively with the federal government to try to address some of the legitimate grievances
00:03:52.640 that arose over the last 10 years but i would say that we have a citizen initiative petition process
00:03:57.600 400 000 albertans signed that they wanted to hold a referendum to remain and 300 000 signed a
00:04:03.360 petition saying that they wanted to hold a vote on whether to leave the court does not allow for
00:04:08.480 a binding referendum because of a recent court decision which we're appealing but i want to get
00:04:13.360 an indication from albertans about are we going to have this debate which direction are we going to
00:04:17.600 go and let's get the debate the uh the vote over with on october 19th and move on and i hope that
00:04:23.280 that vote is to remain and that we can move on with fixing canada and by the way the thing the
00:04:29.120 reason why the media and her political opponents are so elevated about the subject has nothing to
00:04:34.880 do with independence it all has to do with partisan political games they didn't want this referendum
00:04:41.440 to be held in 2026, because they wanted it to be held in 2027 and be included on the exact same
00:04:48.900 ballot that Danielle Smith was running on, because the only way the Alberta NDP and the
00:04:53.580 Heed Nenshi can beat Danielle Smith is by falsely implying that if you support remaining in Canada,
00:05:00.540 you have to vote NDP. And so they wanted to run on the same ballot as that question, as it was
00:05:06.520 going to be very polarizing and the NDP could maybe find UCP canvassers who are pro-independence
00:05:13.520 on tape saying that that's what they believe in. And people in the public will falsely get the
00:05:18.220 choice or falsely get the impression that the UCP is pro-independence and vote NDP to save the
00:05:23.520 country or something like that. That is why they don't like that Daniel Smith is doing this in 26
00:05:28.080 because she basically flipped the board and said, we're not going to be screwing around with having
00:05:34.040 this at the same time as a provincial election to try and disrupt people's normal voting patterns
00:05:38.840 anyways let's get into david cochran's follow-up here canada forever initiative though was sort of
00:05:44.380 started as a preventative measure against the separatism referendum it is i don't think thomas
00:05:49.940 lakasik would have done his thing if the threat of a referendum to leave wasn't a material thing
00:05:56.260 under your law so i don't is he just admitting that thomas lakasik was just doing the other
00:06:00.920 petition to block a pro-independence petition that's that's called fraud that's using electoral
00:06:07.820 like mechanisms in order to block democracy just getting a petition signed but then not actually
00:06:14.320 submitting it but because it's in the works the other people can't submit theirs like what that's
00:06:19.900 not a also that's not a counter to what to what daniel smith said the forever canada people or
00:06:25.680 the sorry the state free alberta people still had over 300 000 signatures they only needed like
00:06:30.140 177,000 to trigger an election. We can't just say, well, the forever Canada people don't want to do
00:06:35.020 it. Let's just pretend that's true, even though their own statements contradict themselves now.
00:06:41.280 Okay, the other one has it. So Daniel Smith putting the thing forward. But again, David
00:06:45.880 can't let it go because he's trying to basically buttonhole Daniel Smith into representing
00:06:51.220 independence in the minds of Alberta voters who don't like independence. I don't know if you can
00:06:57.000 really use that 400,000 as people clamoring for a referendum, as that was largely an initiative
00:07:02.460 to oppose the Jeff Rath, Mish Sylvester effort to get things on the ballot?
00:07:09.000 Well, I know that they're trying, the proponents trying to rewrite history on that. But if you go
00:07:12.720 back and look at the comments, it was very clear that that was the intention. That's why 400,000
00:07:17.080 people signed up. And that's what I've got to be looking at is what was the intention of the people
00:07:20.840 who signed those two different petitions? 700,000 people is a lot of people asking for a democratic
00:07:26.100 process. And that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to do it within the limits of the law,
00:07:29.720 within the limits of the court decision. But I need to get an indication of whether Albertans
00:07:34.000 want to, as I do, remain in Canada or whether they want to initiate a legal process for a binding
00:07:39.620 referendum. And that's what we're going to be asking in the fall. You've made clear you disagree
00:07:43.000 with the court decision, but we do have a court decision that stands as of right now that said
00:07:47.080 the citizens initiative petitioned by the separatists didn't meet the burr. There's been
00:07:50.860 a data breach and the sharing of private information that is now still visible on
00:07:54.640 american websites and david parker is refusing to cooperate with the elections canada elections
00:07:59.840 alberta investigation excuse me so what does this have to do with anything the court blocking
00:08:06.240 the petition and not letting it go towards a referendum was an undermining of democracy
00:08:12.080 their actual stated reason for blocking it was like oh well you need to do consultations with
00:08:16.720 first nations people uh well this could undermine indigenous rights so we can't do it i'm like what
00:08:22.240 But based on that logic, you could block literally any piece of legislation because you didn't consult with First Nations people, or this could affect their rights in some way.
00:08:31.160 And you can always say that.
00:08:32.760 But the thing is that nobody ever actually goes into detail on what the court decision said, because, you know, it would actually make a lot of people ticked off with the courts and the whole reconciliation industry that basically is completely warping our laws around the priorities of Indigenous ban councils.
00:08:51.300 Yeah. And again, like the data breach, that's a nothing. It's not that it doesn't matter.
00:08:55.920 It has no, it has no, it doesn't bear any weight on the current situation. David Parker and the
00:09:02.740 Centurion Project being stupid doesn't mean anything about the overall independence movement. 0.98
00:09:08.100 It doesn't mean anything about whether the petition should be accepted from Mitchell, 0.99
00:09:12.200 Sylvester and Stay Free Alberta. It has no bearing on if Daniel Smith should override the court and
00:09:18.660 least put some form of a question on this issue to albertans in the in october but with all of
00:09:24.580 that swirling around this how is any of this in the best interest of all albertans well it's all
00:09:30.740 the reasons why it can't be a binding referendum and why it's being put forward as a policy
00:09:36.260 referendum our policy is to remain in canada but there is a group of people who want that policy
00:09:40.900 to change and i guess the the question is you you don't have legislation uh called the citizen
00:09:46.180 initiative act if people are going to go out in a with a with good will and with good intentions
00:09:51.140 get signatures and then ignore it and so i i feel obligated to make sure that we have an opportunity
00:09:56.020 for voices to be heard 700 000 albertans is about 25 of our total adult electorate and so we now have
00:10:03.460 several months here where we'll be able to go out and make our case i'll be making the case about
00:10:07.860 why we should remain in canada my canada is working better now than it has for the last 10 years
00:10:12.340 And I hope to help to bring a number of my fellow Albertans on board with that.
00:10:16.880 No, I would disagree with Daniel Smith that Canada is somehow working better than it did the previous 10 years.
00:10:23.300 Yeah, Justin Trudeau was terrible, but there has been no actual material change with Mark Carney other than the man who now leads Canada is named Mark Carney and not Justin Trudeau.
00:10:33.780 Carney was the economic advisor to Justin Trudeau for five years.
00:10:37.600 And so we shouldn't be shocked that everything he's going to propose and agree to on pipelines, while rhetorically sounding like he's in favor of it, is never actually going to get us to the finish line of building one because he's ideologically against it and much of his own party is ideologically against it.
00:10:56.120 That's why we covered the other day 14 liberals signed a letter against Mark Carney, even signing that fake pipeline agreement with Daniel Smith.
00:11:05.080 It won't even result in a pipeline getting built. And that was still rhetorically too much for them.
00:11:10.100 They want no agreement signed ever on pipeline because they just fundamentally disagree with the oil and gas industry.
00:11:16.140 I know it's technically not constitutionally binding, but you have, in fact, said option B to pursue the legal process to have a referendum on separatism would be binding on your government.
00:11:26.120 Because if you get this, if that's...
00:11:28.640 But it's nothing.
00:11:29.880 It's binding the Alberta government to have another referendum.
00:11:34.360 Now, that's the best Daniel Smith can do.
00:11:35.960 And I know a lot of pro-independence people are claiming,
00:11:38.120 no, she could just put the question forward straight.
00:11:40.240 Yes, she could.
00:11:41.260 And then the court would, it would be challenged in court again
00:11:43.840 and it could be shut down before the actual date. 0.71
00:11:47.420 The thing is, this is the cleanest way she can do it.
00:11:49.760 But he keeps trying to basically imply that she really wants to put
00:11:54.120 an independence question towards people. Well, you didn't have to do it this way. Oh, you chose
00:11:59.460 to put this binding question to Albertans to maybe have another referendum on separatism
00:12:05.220 because the media is trying to kind of create falsely this idea that this woman who is a
00:12:11.660 federalist who keeps saying she is a federalist to David Cochran might secretly be a separatist
00:12:16.680 because the NDP really needs that narrative to run on in 2027. It wins this ballot. You're going
00:12:23.220 go ahead with it so you have made that in effect binding on you whether it's legally binding or
00:12:28.580 not i mean given all of the irregularities and concerns around what has happened here
00:12:34.340 how is that in the best interest of the people of alberta to commit irregularities like there's
00:12:38.660 nothing wrong with a petition there's something stupid a third party group who was working with 0.96
00:12:42.900 the republican party of alberta a completely irrelevant party did who cares none of this 0.97
00:12:48.020 matters to that process knowing there's illegality and the courts have already intervened well there'd
00:12:55.380 be no commitment to the process and unless that side wins in the vote on october the 19th that's
00:13:00.540 why we're putting it forward there's two options there's a vote to remain which is the option i'll
00:13:04.780 be choosing or there's a vote to commence the legal process that would lead to a binding referendum
00:13:09.720 and and that's a another position to take but i i don't want to prejudge the outcome i'm going to
00:13:14.180 work as hard as i can to address the issues that are legitimate issues raised by my fellow citizens
00:13:19.540 and work to convince them that canada can work and canada will work and so that's what the next
00:13:24.580 five months is for but you know premier you keep pushing because in the same time frame that this
00:13:29.140 is happening the pipeline is going to move through whatever processes it's going to move through you
00:13:32.500 keep pushing for a pipeline the private capital and you keep taking these steps that could lead
00:13:36.820 either to separation or no she's not taking any steps she is not taking any steps that lead to
00:13:44.280 separation she is simply honoring the work other people have done so notice how every single time
00:13:49.860 danielle smith is answering she says i would vote to remain in canada i support canada i don't want
00:13:56.060 to leave canada i'm just paraphrasing her responses here and every single time he comes back with well
00:14:02.580 you keep taking you keep taking steps well you keep moving this forward well you're putting it
00:14:07.660 you put in place a binding referendum you made it binding well what's the point of a referendum if
00:14:12.100 it's not binding obviously there's going to be something binding about one of the options in
00:14:18.820 the referendum and that's not on her that's not her choice yes she's doing it but that's simply
00:14:25.860 because the like the courts blocked the citizens petition which is supposed to result in a
00:14:31.180 referendum. And so she's basically just trying to like, you know, someone unplugged the power 0.78
00:14:35.560 cord and she's just plugging it back in there like you chose to do that. Not really. She's just doing
00:14:40.680 her job as a government official. She didn't like there wasn't like if let's say this, let's say
00:14:46.440 the Stay Free Alberta people got 169,000 signatures. They were like 8,000 signatures off of the real
00:14:54.240 goal. And she just said, ah, they worked hard. I'm going to put it forward. That's her putting
00:14:58.240 it forward. That's her overriding the rules in order to have it on the ballot. She's not doing 0.99
00:15:03.680 that. They well passed the threshold for having a referendum. The Stay Free, the Forever Canada 0.98
00:15:11.600 people blew past the signature requirement as well. She's simply saying, hey, we have two
00:15:19.780 referendum questions right now that passed. How about we basically meet the two in the middle,
00:15:25.700 make it so that it doesn't it's not a real separatist referendum because the courts aren't
00:15:30.660 letting us but let's just get to some version that's at least somewhat satisfying to everyone
00:15:35.260 or at least somewhat dissatisfying to everybody and get this thing over with she's not choosing
00:15:40.200 to do anything but again the media is trying to propagandize and keep repeating that you are
00:15:46.320 doing something you are acting you are doing something like no she's not make the separatist
00:15:51.360 movement a permanent and enduring part of Alberta politics why would any private sector company
00:15:56.200 bet on Alberta under these circumstances well I don't think we can have this hanging over our
00:16:02.420 heads for years and and that's part of the problem is that and she's right they keep saying that like
00:16:06.860 oh you're basically making the separatism issue permanent by half of this vote no she's not if
00:16:12.200 the separatist of the pro-independent side loses like 70 to 30 it kind of puts it to bed for at
00:16:18.020 least a decade where, yes, I'm sorry, you don't have the support. And by the way, on independence,
00:16:22.480 I'm perfectly agnostic. I don't even, I probably would vote against it at this point, because I
00:16:27.560 just don't think it's being very productive right now. I don't think the movement is professionalized.
00:16:31.880 I think there's so many things it needs to address before jumping to an independence vote, like win
00:16:36.700 the fight on the Alberta pension plan before you get on to an independence fight. But like this,
00:16:42.760 what daniel smith is doing is actually bringing certainty having a vote and showing investors no
00:16:48.400 this province is not going to break away anytime soon just look at the referendum vote that
00:16:52.740 happened they lost this has been lurking in the background some would say for decades but i think
00:16:58.540 it really came to a head in in april of last year when the liberals won another majority government
00:17:04.520 that's when it went up as high as 42 percent and i certainly want a resolution one way or the other
00:17:09.780 because i i don't think that the uncertainty of having this linger on for years is good for
00:17:14.420 investment climate i don't think it's good for albertans it's not good for uh our sense of
00:17:18.660 unity it's not good for the country and so that's why with 700 000 people having signed a petition
00:17:23.540 one way or the other it's time for us to vote and get it out of the way and then uh to to deal with
00:17:28.580 the uh the the results and to make those decisions at that time but i i think i've made pretty clear
00:17:34.180 the direction that i think we're going just through my actions as but i'll be doing a lot
00:17:37.700 lot of traveling over the over the province over the summer and hope that I can win a few more
00:17:41.580 people over to my side but voting get it out of the way doesn't happen if option b wins it oh wow
00:17:47.340 oh really David you under you understand how to read the English language yeah we all know that
00:17:53.080 it keeps going if if they win the whole point though is that the CBC will one day show polls
00:18:00.540 from Janet Brown who's a very good pollster showing the independence movement only has 27 to
00:18:04.920 30% support. But now he's fear
00:18:07.040 mongering and saying, oh my goodness, but if
00:18:08.920 they win, the process continues. If they
00:18:10.980 lose, the process stops. And if we don't
00:18:13.000 hold the referendum, it's going to
00:18:15.000 keep going anyways. They're not just going to be like,
00:18:17.000 oh, you didn't let us have a
00:18:18.200 referendum in 2026, ergo
00:18:21.080 we're all just going to pack up our bags and go
00:18:23.020 home. No, they're not. But David
00:18:25.020 is contradicting himself because, again,
00:18:26.980 no matter how emphatic
00:18:28.540 Danielle Smith is, that she is
00:18:30.700 a federalist, that she will vote to
00:18:32.840 remain in Canada, he keeps
00:18:34.920 trying to make this a danielle smith separatism problem boat and go into another process that
00:18:40.760 further destabilizes the investment climate in alberta i mean we saw what happened with this
00:18:45.240 by the way further destabilize the investment climate no the liberals have destabilized
00:18:50.200 investment climate in alberta because they've made it difficult to get anything done why do
00:18:54.520 you think there's no pipeline being built it's not because of instability within alberta because
00:18:59.000 of the federal government they push in quebec it led to capital flight the loss of corporate
00:19:03.320 headquarters you're never going to get a pipeline to the bc coast if it's a separate country or it
00:19:09.160 certainly seems unlikely so if option he's saying this like again he keeps saying you he keeps using
00:19:15.240 second person uh perspective and saying well if you do this well if you you can't build a pipeline
00:19:21.640 if you're a separate country trying to constantly subtly imply that somehow she's doing this you're
00:19:28.680 doing this if you separate you can't build a pipeline oh well so really it's your fault
00:19:33.480 daniel smith of a pipeline doesn't go through because you've threatened separatism now you
00:19:38.360 haven't but i keep saying you have it doesn't matter how many times you say you're a federalist
00:19:42.840 you let a referendum go forward even though it was like your legal obligation to do it
00:19:48.120 b wins which you are choosing to put on the ballot look if you are choosing to put it on the ballot
00:19:54.280 even though she opposes it. Oh, you chose to give those dirty independence people 0.56
00:19:59.000 their vote. The dehumanization of the independence people by the media has been
00:20:06.780 quite something to watch. Now, I agree with many of the things pro-independence people say. I
00:20:11.440 disagree with some of the things that they say, but the media treats them like complete dirt. 0.92
00:20:16.160 It's really gross to watch. But again, this is the worst interview I have ever seen in my entire
00:20:22.320 life the level of overt propagandizing that's going on and just how much it's also falling apart
00:20:29.920 is remarkable again he will always he'll just keep saying you to keep basically pushing the idea
00:20:36.720 that danielle smith the premier of alberta you you are the one putting this on the ballot
00:20:43.920 i guess so david you got her you got her she's a secret separatist oh if option b wins which you
00:20:50.880 are choosing to put on the ballot it derails everything you're trying to do with mark kearney
00:20:55.360 doesn't it well she has asthma danielle smith has as much involvement in putting this on the ballot
00:21:04.160 that david cochran had in going bald she had none she is doing her basic legal obligation to put
00:21:11.360 this on the ballot because that's what has to happen and it's going to happen regardless if
00:21:16.560 she puts on the ballot this year it's will eventually happen later once the court case
00:21:21.680 what's the appeals go through and once the consultation happens if it has to happen
00:21:26.400 it will eventually happen daniel smith is simply letting it go through the way it should have
00:21:32.800 goodness people remember albertans chose uh 400 000 albertans wanted to vote on a question to
00:21:39.520 remain and 300 000 want to vote on a question to to leave and that's 700 000 by the way guys this
00:21:44.880 I have not been skipping back on the interview.
00:21:47.360 We're six minutes in.
00:21:49.260 It feels like Groundhog's Day because David Cochran cannot get off of his first and second question, 1.00
00:21:56.300 which is just a stupid smear question. 0.98
00:21:58.620 This interview has basically gone nowhere. 0.99
00:22:00.740 It's been spinning its tires the entire time because David won't let Danielle Smith go past him
00:22:07.760 without basically admitting to being a separatist or something like that.
00:22:12.160 So we keep repeating the same couple of lines over and over again, just slightly rephrased.
00:22:17.780 It's an Albertans who want to have this question.
00:22:19.520 So you raise some very good rationale about why it is that we should vote to remain.
00:22:25.980 I think we do have a much higher chance than we ever have before of getting a pipeline to the West Coast.
00:22:30.860 I think we have our fellow Canadians on our side in a way that wasn't the case for the past 10 years.
00:22:36.220 We've got two national conservative, two parties, the national conservatives and the national liberals who represent 85 percent of the public in wanting to develop resources.
00:22:45.540 There's only a small number of extremists in the fringe parties who want to block it.
00:22:50.440 So things have. Now, again, I don't quite actually agree with that.
00:22:53.500 I think the vast majority of the liberal party is against building pipelines, but she has to kind of put on this slightly naive face of, oh, hey, we're like where it's going to happen.
00:23:02.640 because if she doesn't act optimistic, then the liberals will be like, ah, see, it didn't work
00:23:07.160 because Daniel Smith was a pessimist. You know, she didn't believe in Tinkerbell enough, and
00:23:10.880 Tinkerbell died. Changed dramatically in the last year and a half, and that's part of the reason
00:23:15.380 why I have confidence that if Albertans are asked this question, that they can be persuaded to see
00:23:22.160 it as I do, that the country is worth fighting for, the country's worth working on. You don't
00:23:25.640 necessarily get 100% of the things that you want 100% of the time, but I think that the opportunities
00:23:30.800 now are better than they ever have been.
00:23:32.840 Nahed Nenshi says you're doing this to pay back separatists like David Parker for helping
00:23:36.640 you win the leadership of the United Conservative Party in the wake of Jason Kennedy's ouster,
00:23:40.580 and this is ultimately all about trying to save your job.
00:23:44.260 Well, it's about trying to hear and respect 700,000 Albertans.
00:23:48.880 By the way, guys, David Parker, he's not being paid back.
00:23:51.940 David Parker has no power in Alberta.
00:23:56.020 I think he just fled to Texas.
00:23:57.440 Maybe he's just on vacation.
00:23:59.060 The guy has no power.
00:24:00.180 For a little bit in 2022, he had relevance when he was going after Jason Kenney, and yes, he was encouraging people to sign up and vote for Danielle Smith. Now, did that get her over the finish line? If he was not involved, would she have not won? I'm not really sure, because at the same time, he also was kind of a campaign liability for her at the same time.
00:24:18.700 So I think in a lot of ways, as many votes as he added to UCP or Danielle Smith causes, he often took the same amount away. The man used to literally be the hatchet man for Aaron O'Toole. He literally blackmailed Pierre Polyev into not running in the 2020 Conservative Party leadership.
00:24:37.500 I know this because I used to only do print journalism. I used to only do online reports. And my friend Daniel Boardman and I did a report on the fact that David had basically blackmailed Pierre not to run him because he used to be a red Tory hatchet man and now he's like some savior of Alberta.
00:24:55.140 At one point, he even tried to sue us for that article of posting his text messages bragging about causing Pierre Polyev not to run in 2020. 0.96
00:25:04.660 He filed the lawsuit, we filed our defense, and then he immediately ran away because the man's a complete coward.
00:25:11.180 Now he probably doesn't have more than two nickels to rub together.
00:25:14.360 But the fact that Nohid Nenshi and the media are trying to bring up David Parker as a boogeyman here is just embarrassing.
00:25:20.540 when when you start a process that affirms that you believe in citizen initiative referenda and
00:25:26.820 democracy then you should follow through on it so i want people to see that that their efforts
00:25:31.560 in going through this process um give them an opportunity to have a say it doesn't necessarily
00:25:36.560 give you the opportunity to have your way but we will have the say and we'll have it on october the
00:25:40.700 19th and i think that that's just being respectful of the citizens who went through that process and
00:25:45.300 being respectful of democracy and i would hope that the uh that that the leader of the opposition
00:25:50.740 would work with me on on persuading more albertans to remain and identifying the problems that are
00:25:56.660 causing the division part of the problems causing the division is his national leader avi lewis
00:26:00.660 who got elected saying he wants to keep all fossil fuels in the ground that's part of the reason
00:26:05.700 why we have had this division in our province and in our country so if he wants to be constructive
00:26:09.940 then i would say that he should be talking to his federal leader first right look avi lewis doesn't
00:26:13.780 have a seat and he has a caucus of five so i'm not sure how much that is moving the needle in
00:26:17.460 alberta politics with all due respect with all due respect david david use whatever brain is in your
00:26:26.900 bald head to think about how much better of a point danielle smith's point about avi lewis was
00:26:34.260 than every single attempt that you have made to imply that danielle smith is secretly a separatist
00:26:39.540 And you, you're the one choosing to put this on the ballot.
00:26:43.140 Avi Lewis is literally the leader of the federal NDP party, a party you are automatically enrolled into if you buy a provincial NDP membership.
00:26:53.940 That is a far stronger connection between Nahid Nenshi and radical anti-oil and gas left-wing politics than there is a connection between Danielle Smith and separatism.
00:27:05.840 But he comes in, oh, Mr. Mr. Premier, I think that's a bit of a wild speculation you're making right there.
00:27:11.880 And I know you say you want to respect the wishes of the 700,000 people who signed these petitions,
00:27:17.680 but neither Thomas Lukasik or Jeff Rath or Mitch Sylvester seem happy with the option you've chosen.
00:27:23.480 So they say it doesn't actually respect their wishes.
00:27:26.260 Oh, it's almost like she's not a separatist and she's not bending over backwards for them.
00:27:30.180 She put up a referendum question that satisfied nobody, which is actually the right thing to do.
00:27:36.140 If one side was satisfied, the other side would be screaming mad.
00:27:39.180 This option, basically both sides aren't quite satisfied.
00:27:42.520 Probably perfect from her perspective.
00:27:45.580 And now David Cochran's saying, well, you know, the separatists don't like this.
00:27:48.760 It's almost like she's not a separatist, David.
00:27:50.800 It's almost like the first half of this interview was complete nonsense.
00:27:53.660 sense. Right. And I know you've singled out Mr. Lukasik for criticism in terms of inconsistency,
00:27:59.500 citing six, seven, eight statements that he has made on a referendum. But I know you're trying
00:28:04.860 to thread a needle here, but neither side of it seems to think you've done it. Well, I guess we'll
00:28:09.240 find out on October the 19th. There's two pretty clear options. Do you want to remain in Canada,
00:28:13.060 or do you want to start the process to leave? And so I don't know that there's any way of going
00:28:16.920 beyond those two options, but I dispute you in saying that somehow a rump caucus of five has no
00:28:22.680 influence um these minor fringe parties for a long time for the past 10 years have dictated
00:28:29.000 the agenda of canada and the dictate of the agenda in canada has been to target alberta to landlock
00:28:35.080 our resources to take action that would leave our resources in the ground and they are still
00:28:39.480 continuing with that agenda so if you want to understand why albertans are frustrated it's not
00:28:44.520 enough to say oh yeah well they're irrelevant now they're relevant now because canadians have
00:28:49.320 changed their opinion and they changed their opinion because i think albertans have done the
00:28:53.160 work of demonstrating that we were being treated unfairly and that's again part of the reason why
00:28:57.480 i think that there has been a change in attitude in the last 18 months and people should be
00:29:01.480 encouraged that we're going down a process that where canada can work we've got more work to do
00:29:06.280 but i think that there's been a real change and we need to acknowledge that but maybe daniel
00:29:09.880 smith should just become the host of this show she's so much better at being neutral literally
00:29:13.560 as a partisan politician here i was listening to you speak earlier and talk about jagmeet singh
00:29:17.960 and talk about Justin Trudeau and talk about your frustrations with the policy direction of the
00:29:21.320 country under the prime minister's leadership and then the coalition. And I couldn't help but
00:29:25.900 think that you might be voting to separate if Justin Trudeau was still prime minister and still
00:29:29.860 in a confidence. Oh my goodness. What is going on here? He cannot drop it. He's now coming up
00:29:38.340 with a hypothetical scenario where Danielle Smith is a separatist leader. You know, I can't help but
00:29:43.220 think if Justin Trudeau, who's not the prime minister, was the prime minister, that you might
00:29:47.720 be a separatist. You got her, dude. You got her. And the alternative reality of Canada where Justin
00:29:56.100 Trudeau is still the prime minister, I guess you really just cornered Danielle Smith with that
00:30:01.520 gotcha question. Oh my goodness. In a different space-time continuum, Danielle Smith could be
00:30:07.040 a separatist. Supply agreement with Jagmeet Singh. Am I right on that, that your federalism is kind 1.00
00:30:12.640 of conditional on the fact that Mark Carney is there now, not Justin Trudeau? Well, I can tell
00:30:17.500 the entire country threw out both of those leaders and i think it was because they were going in an
00:30:22.300 agenda that the the country realized that we just couldn't afford them anymore we couldn't afford
00:30:26.940 carbon taxes we couldn't afford the increase in prices we were seeing at the pump in our home
00:30:31.420 heating in our electricity we couldn't afford to keep on spending money on social programs without
00:30:36.380 developing the resources to pay for them so i would say that the that all of canadians rendered
00:30:40.860 a judgment on those two leaders and i'm glad that the the current leadership of the liberal party
00:30:45.340 has seen that but would you be voting differently on october 19th if it was still justin trudeau
00:30:50.940 i can tell you i was trying the same process with the previous prime minister as i have with the
00:30:55.180 current prime minister i'm glad the current prime minister uh brought together a team and engaged
00:30:59.980 with me in in good faith i the the deal that we we signed in the mou uh that was basically hatched
00:31:06.060 in the very first conversation i had with justin trudeau and so that tells you what happens when
00:31:10.380 When you have a change with Justin Trudeau, the MOU, when I called Justin Trudeau, I told him I want to start a process where I can we can meet in the middle and we can work on emissions reduction to 2050.
00:31:20.540 Will you work with me from the very first conversation that I had with Justin Trudeau and he continued with bad policy after bad policy to go in the wrong direction.
00:31:29.340 And I'm glad that the current prime minister has taken a very different approach.
00:31:32.420 But that's the kind of approach I take as a leader.
00:31:33.940 I don't actually think that Mark Carney is taking a different approach.
00:31:36.780 I think he's taking a different rhetorical approach to seem more moderate while never actually really changing his policy outside of like slightly lowering how high he wants Alberta to raise its industrial carbon tax.
00:31:49.860 But that's only to get Alberta to start raising it again anyways, because Alberta previously was freezing it.
00:31:54.600 So Mark Carney would see that as him getting at least some limited wins here without having to give up much.
00:32:00.320 I put my position on the table and I work darn hard to make sure that we get it.
00:32:04.920 I do what we can to do public interest campaigns as we did to change public opinion.
00:32:09.360 We did. And here are the consequences.
00:32:11.120 We're having a much happier conversation today.
00:32:12.920 But on the question, and I know it's a secret ballot,
00:32:14.920 but you've told the country how you would vote.
00:32:16.400 You are going to vote on October 19th based on things with Mark Carney.
00:32:19.440 On my question is that, you know, are you only voting to stay in Canada
00:32:23.960 because the posture of the Canadian government has changed?
00:32:25.920 Would you vote to leave?
00:32:27.160 You can't leave it, David, go home, go have a cup of coffee and a nap.
00:32:34.200 Go drink some chamomile tea and take a long sleep and rethink your life.
00:32:40.380 What is this?
00:32:41.280 Every question snakes back into, please, Danielle, please just say you're actually secretly a separatist.
00:32:47.900 Nenshi's entire political career rests on this, Danielle.
00:32:51.400 Come on, Danielle. 1.00
00:32:52.820 She's always wanted to be the premier of Alberta. 1.00
00:32:55.420 Let Nenshi do it.
00:32:57.500 No, she's not a separatist.
00:32:59.560 I'm sorry, David.
00:33:00.840 I am sorry to ruin your career here at CBC.
00:33:04.200 but she's not you cannot concoct or are you can you admit that you're only uh you're only uh
00:33:10.680 voting not to leave or leave because uh mark carney's negotiating with you so at least give
00:33:15.320 mark carney the credit that the only reason you're not separate is because you had to come to damascus
00:33:21.000 moment to come to ottawa moment with mark carney and he told you not he showed you the light and
00:33:26.200 you no longer believe in separatism can you give him that can you give him this danielle smith i
00:33:31.560 have this little award uh for you to pin onto the chest of mark carney can you pin it onto his chest 0.98
00:33:37.640 right now it's so stupid this entire interview sucks otherwise i am a proud alberton and a proud 0.98
00:33:44.840 canadian and i have always been a proud alberton and proud canadian uh sometimes politicians in 0.99
00:33:50.520 ottawa i think are offside with the the the values that make our country so great and sometimes they
00:33:55.880 have to be corrected and sometimes of course correction happens by the people and that has
00:33:59.640 already happened. And so I'm encouraged that we can work together to make things work.
00:34:03.800 But when you're a leader of a party such as mine and a government such as mine, you got
00:34:07.840 to keep working at it. And I'm glad to see that it's going in our direction.
00:34:12.020 But you know, you said repeatedly, you're a Federalist, but you've done these things
00:34:15.260 to give the separatists their day that they've been looking for.
00:34:18.360 No, she's not giving them their day. She's letting them have the day they already earned
00:34:23.560 by getting the signatures. Yes, the court tried to block it. And so she came up with 0.95
00:34:28.700 a meeting in the middle version of the question to honor the fact they had collected the signatures
00:34:33.820 we are 12 minutes and 48 seconds into this interview and i think this is about the 17 000th
00:34:40.060 time he's tried to put this to her that well you say you're a federalist but you do a lot of
00:34:45.500 separatist stuff on october 19th and you've explained your rationale why but a lot of people
00:34:50.460 would look at that and say a true federalist would not see guys she's a fake federalist you know some
00:34:56.060 people would say some people who don't look exactly like david cochran and have a hacky
00:35:01.660 television show would say that uh really you're not a real federalist because a real federal
00:35:07.980 federalist would have just executed mitch sylvester by firing squad by now why have you
00:35:13.420 not killed mitch sylvester danielle smith are you not a real federalist come on danielle fess up 0.56
00:35:19.500 you're a separatist i'll go to the lengths you have gone through to put the country on the ballot
00:35:24.140 Well, I believe in citizen initiative. And there's a ballot that isn't going forward. It was to end funding for private schools. There's another ballot that they're trying to get signatures for to have a question on coal. A citizen initiative process is not about ideology. It's about giving people their say. And in this case, we've had 700,000 people on two different positions saying they wanted to have this debate.
00:35:47.620 So what I stand for is supporting the democratic process, and that's what we're going to see play out over the next five months and have the vote on October the 19th.
00:35:56.320 The ballot questions I want to get affirmative are the five questions we have so that we can take more control over immigration and for others to address issues in the Constitution to give me a mandate to start doing that negotiation.
00:36:08.640 Those are the government questions.
00:36:10.340 The last one that we're adding to the list is because 700,000 Albertans asked for it.
00:36:15.340 well if you choose to separate i guess you get all the control of immigration that you want but
00:36:18.820 you know oh my goodness if you choose to separate oh i guess if you choose to separate daniel then 0.99
00:36:23.040 you'll get all the control of the immigration that you want just a snarky stupid little jab 0.99
00:36:28.480 not a question not productive not even what what the heck was that this isn't an opinion show with 0.99
00:36:35.000 david cochran he's supposed to be the neutral host when you say you're going to spend the summer
00:36:38.560 traveling the province to try to make the argument will you formally campaign will you participate
00:36:43.900 in campaign style events, will you spend money and advertise in a traditional campaign style
00:36:51.340 to convince people to vote for the first option on October 19th? Yes, yes, and yes. Okay. And what
00:36:57.660 if option B wins as a final point? Because if you were putting it on the ballot and advocating to
00:37:02.060 stay in Canada, if the side that wants to start the process to potentially exit from the country
00:37:08.360 wins, how can you credibly stay on as a premier who says there are federalists and believes in
00:37:12.980 country when your argument would have been rejected by the voters on october 19th well that's why i'm
00:37:17.620 going to work very hard to the issues that are causing the frustration but um you put questions
00:37:22.980 forward in good faith in knowing that uh and people are going to vote in them expecting that
00:37:27.780 their their leadership is going to to take their cues from that direction and so um we've got a
00:37:32.740 we've got two questions and two different directions and as i said then i'm i believe
00:37:37.860 that the the right answer is i feel like i've been on like a death march through like the mountains
00:37:44.900 watching this interview this interview goes nowhere it keeps like what what kind of question
00:37:50.420 was like well what happens if you lose danielle will you resign was nenshi going to resign as
00:37:55.540 ndp leader of the vast majority of albertans say that they don't want like to remain in canada
00:38:01.700 you could ask that to any sitting elected official who is a federalist which is pretty much
00:38:06.500 100 percent of the mlas in alberta like come on it's to remain and that's what i will be
00:38:12.580 campaigning for okay well there's a lot of days between now and that'll end that referendum vote
00:38:17.300 jeff rath and others say they're going to be gunning for you for this they're going to try
00:38:20.740 to take over parts of the party they're going to try to get a special uh agm and they're going to
00:38:25.060 try to get you kicked out are you prepared to fight an insurgency within the united conservative
00:38:29.380 party from the separatists based on this choice today well look the the ultimate policy and test
00:38:35.380 is a province-wide referendum where all 4 million or so Albertans who are qualified to vote have a
00:38:43.220 chance to give their opinion. That's what we're doing, and that is the process that we're going
00:38:47.460 through, and I would hope that the results of that will be respected. I'll respect the results
00:38:52.820 of that, but in the meantime, I'll be working, as I said, to convince my fellow Albertans that
00:38:58.260 Canada's worth fighting for. We've had some politicians who've led us down the wrong path
00:39:02.180 for about 10 years but i think we're seeing a very strong uh reversal of a lot of those bad
00:39:07.620 policies and what's more we see that our fellow canadians are on our side so that's the the
00:39:11.700 direction i'll be going in the next five months but do you think that is a true and real material
00:39:16.020 threat from jeff wrath and others that they will organize to try to take you out as leader
00:39:20.180 well i i don't know i mean i i have a it's not what my consideration is right now my
00:39:25.300 consideration right now is the 700 000 people who said they wanted to vote and a five-month process
00:39:30.420 that we're going through to have a referendum and then we'll see what the outcome of that is
00:39:34.260 but october 19th is going to be the day and we've got a lot of work to do in the meantime alberta
00:39:38.740 premier daniel smith oh my goodness people okay if you survived that oh my goodness if you survived
00:39:45.140 that video that interview that the worst interview we've ever watched together you are worthy
00:39:51.940 to watch this channel people you are now worthy to watch the national telegraph because we have
00:39:57.380 survived over 40 minutes of nonsense from david cochran who is probably the worst person at the 0.96
00:40:06.980 cbc although maybe rosemary barton's going to make me eat those words just complete garbage 0.92
00:40:14.660 interviewing that wasn't an interview that wasn't an attack that wasn't an attack that daniel smith
00:40:20.740 couldn't push back on too harshly because he's pretending to be neutral so she has to be very
00:40:26.740 very nice. She has to be very decent to him, even though he is acting in a very indecent,
00:40:32.660 weaselly way. He is such a weasel of an interviewer. Every single question was an 0.88
00:40:38.940 implied attack. There was no question that was simply just trying to get more information.
00:40:43.560 He never accepted anything she said. He would just come back and rephrase it a different way
00:40:48.100 to try and keep the separatist boogeyman inside the premier's office narrative alive.
00:40:52.960 it's horrible we need to defund these people yesterday and the best day to defund them is
00:40:59.720 now and then the next best day is tomorrow the cbc should not get any canadian taxpayer funds
00:41:07.440 especially alberta canadian taxpayer funds that was horrifying worst interview i've ever seen
00:41:15.600 from the CBC. Nothing, nothing in that interview was productive. It was all just an attack on
00:41:22.860 Danielle Smith. And if she didn't do it, they would imply, oh my goodness, look, the separatist
00:41:26.680 premier is running away from talking to the CBC because she doesn't want to be exposed as a dirty, 0.99
00:41:33.080 nasty, evil, subhuman separatist like we keep implying everyone who supports it is. She's not 0.99
00:41:37.980 a separatist. The separatist independence people have good arguments. I don't agree with all them, 0.99
00:41:43.100 but they have good arguments. The CBC acts like they're all a bunch of fascists. They act like 0.86
00:41:47.980 they must eat babies or something like that. They have good policy arguments, guys. I don't agree
00:41:55.060 with all of them, but they're good arguments. And then they're trying to imply that Daniel Smith
00:41:58.500 must be secretly Hitler because she is letting the question go forward. Oh my goodness. Okay.
00:42:05.660 Thank you for surviving along with me. I didn't have to make this video, but I felt like I had
00:42:11.420 to you. I was holding myself hostage to watch it, and I've been driving a fork into my thigh,
00:42:16.700 working myself up to listen to another David Cochran interview where nothing productive is
00:42:23.480 discussed, and it's just a big barrage of random nonsense that the reasonable person being
00:42:28.480 interviewed has to simply survive. But good on Danielle Smith. That was a very good performance
00:42:33.660 by her, abysmal from David Cochran. And with all that being said, thank you guys for watching.
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