The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - December 15, 2023


Did India sabotage a Conservative leadership candidate？

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India-US-Canada political interference
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Wyatt Claypool
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John Brown Justin Trudeau Pierre Poilievre Biden Calistanis Paliyev O'Toole Modi
Annoying Liberal MP tries to patronize Conservative Canadians Liberals desperately try and tie Poilievre to Trump

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Another India vs Canada story, another story about foreign interference, clandestine dealing, CSIS, and Patrick Brown. This is a story about the Indian government trying to interfere in the Conservative campaign against Patrick Brown, and why they should not be allowed to run.

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00:00:00.260 We have another India vs. Canada story, foreign interference, clandestine dealing, CSIS, and Patrick Brown.
00:00:08.220 Okay, so this is a story about, allegedly, the Indian government trying to interfere in the federal conservative race against Patrick Brown last year.
00:00:18.120 Now, full disclaimer, I am anti-Patrick Brown. I have been since like 2016-2017. He is my least favorite politician in Canada.
00:00:25.400 I personally consider him a national security threat to the country, and he needs to be a restraining order of 10,000 feet between Patrick Brown and any elected office.
00:00:35.140 He should not be in office, should not hold office. He is a danger to the conservative movement and the country.
00:00:41.460 And I will grant India, he's also clearly a national security threat if you were to get into India. 1.00
00:00:46.160 Why? He was trying to delist the Tamil Tigers, a terrorist organization that has assassinated the Indian prime minister before.
00:00:50.780 So, there's a reason why India doesn't like him.
00:00:53.200 Now, the Sam Cooper report does show that CSIS does have some evidence that the Indian High Commission wanted to undermine Patrick Brown.
00:01:04.180 Now, this is, I think, a story, or there's a meta story around all this Canada, India stuff, and India America stuff,
00:01:11.620 where it's very, very clear that Canada, America, and the West do not understand India, its interests, how its political system works,
00:01:21.080 and it's how society views all these issues. That's very clear.
00:01:24.660 It is also equally as clear that India and the Indian government does not understand Canada, the West, America,
00:01:30.740 and how our politics or social politics function in any way.
00:01:34.100 Neither side understands the motivations of the other, and it's causing trouble.
00:01:39.140 Now, let's go back to what's happened here.
00:01:40.720 So, Patrick Brown, who was disqualified by the Conservative Party itself from the race,
00:01:45.760 is alleging that, you know, the Indian government is after him, and this is all done by the Indian government.
00:01:51.420 Now, the reason I brought up the Indian government not understanding Canada is Patrick Brown had a 0% chance of winning.
00:01:57.220 No one needed, this is like going back in time and planting a bomb on the Titanic.
00:02:02.820 Like, you don't need to. It's going down.
00:02:07.020 This is sort of the equivalent of what the Indian government is alleged to have done here.
00:02:11.080 Patrick Brown would not have won.
00:02:13.000 Patrick Brown's entire campaign smelled like a money laundering scheme, and was disqualified.
00:02:17.640 So, in Canada, what you need to know is, there's a maximum amount you can give to a politician.
00:02:22.600 It's like $1,600 around that. Let's just say around $1,500.
00:02:26.020 It's just above that, but that's the max cap an individual can give.
00:02:30.400 So, the average donation to Paliyev was like under $100, whereas the average donation to Patrick Brown was like right at the maximum.
00:02:38.620 So, to anyone who understands Canadian politics, this smelled a high hell.
00:02:43.140 You look at it and you go, 99% chance something shady is going on here.
00:02:46.880 You have the Patrick Brown, I mean, Patrick Brown himself.
00:02:49.300 I mean, this is a man who, you know, anytime he shows up somewhere, he's in bed with the Kalistanis, he's in bed with the Islamists, he's in bed. 0.99
00:02:56.020 With the Tamil Tigers.
00:02:57.780 Again, so, there's a reason why India does not like him.
00:03:01.160 Same reason, I don't like him.
00:03:03.100 Well, I have an extra reason.
00:03:04.200 That's one reason.
00:03:04.920 It's like, in my opinion, Patrick Brown should not be in politics.
00:03:08.720 He should not be in politics.
00:03:09.840 He should not be allowed to run.
00:03:10.960 Too much shady stuff has gone under Patrick Brown's watch.
00:03:15.920 And the people in the organizations, you know, a lot of organizations that promise to kill 50,000 Hindus love Patrick Brown. 0.99
00:03:24.500 I mean, we know where this is.
00:03:26.660 So, the other reason I dislike Patrick Brown is Patrick Brown, his job is to undermine the conservative party and the conservative movement to Canada.
00:03:34.980 This is sort of his own personal ambition.
00:03:36.600 This is a game he plays.
00:03:37.800 What he does is, you know, he ran to be a provincial conservative leader as, like, did the O'Toole thing.
00:03:42.920 The true blue conservative, and then got in and then immediately became this far-left person.
00:03:47.460 He supports the carbon tax.
00:03:48.800 He supports, you know, the M103 Islamophobia motion.
00:03:51.260 He supports, you know, like, again, more taxes, you know, pandering to vote bank politics, intersectional diversity, feminism, DEI stuff.
00:04:04.900 All the stuff that the radical left believes in, Patrick Brown believes in.
00:04:08.900 And his job is to implement that, and then when a conservative gets on TV, like Pierre Polyev or something, and says,
00:04:14.440 actually, we need to get rid of the taxes, and everyone should be treated as an individual.
00:04:19.500 Patrick Brown's job is to go in the CBC and be like, oh, this isn't conservatism.
00:04:25.960 Not the conservatism I believe in.
00:04:28.120 Real conservatives believe in gender diversity, equity, transgender, Islamophobia motions.
00:04:36.080 That's what real conservatism is, a billion percent tax rate to fight Islamophobia and homophobia in Nunavut.
00:04:44.040 That's what we need to be doing, right?
00:04:45.680 This is the Patrick Brown stuff, and then he plays fake conservator on TV.
00:04:48.660 So, an utterly detestable character from every angle.
00:04:53.180 I mean, Patrick Brown bad.
00:04:56.700 It's been one of my defining political stances since I've been very public with them.
00:05:01.020 Patrick Brown bad.
00:05:02.280 Now, India. 0.58
00:05:06.140 Stop it.
00:05:07.840 Stop the silliness.
00:05:09.360 Like, if you want to, if you want to, like, listen, I get it.
00:05:13.080 And Sam Cooper makes the only, like, the Chinese interference is worse.
00:05:16.220 Like, the real story we have here is that of Chinese interference.
00:05:19.960 But at least the CCP is going after people where there's some effect.
00:05:24.000 Like, you kind of respect it.
00:05:24.940 It's like, oh, you look at the writings they're tinkering with.
00:05:27.400 Oh, this guy's pro-Islamic regime, and he's connected to the regime, so we'll just push 0.85
00:05:32.700 him over the top here, and he'll be friendly to the CCP here, and we'll push this and push
00:05:37.120 here.
00:05:37.360 Like, little things.
00:05:38.040 Like, the CCP isn't wasting time on Patrick Brown.
00:05:40.820 Pierre Polyev won with 68% of the vote in the first round.
00:05:44.260 He crushed it.
00:05:44.900 It was so clearly, it was so clear that no one but Polyev was going to win.
00:05:51.320 No one but Polyev was going to win.
00:05:55.080 Like, the charade nonsense was nonsense.
00:05:59.620 Polyev destroyed it.
00:06:00.920 This was utterly unnecessary, okay?
00:06:03.540 And, you know, so from the Indian perspective, it's like, guys, one, this is undermining you. 0.91
00:06:13.760 But two, if you're going to do it, like, pick your battles.
00:06:15.500 Like, pick a place where it's actually, like, I look at it and go, okay, this makes sense
00:06:21.320 that they would do this.
00:06:22.780 Like, no.
00:06:26.560 Conversely, Westerners.
00:06:29.400 The Indian government and the Indian society is quite reciprocally anti-terrorist these
00:06:35.700 days because they tend to get killed by terrorists a lot because many types of terrorists, Hindus,
00:06:40.720 Islamists, you know, communists, Marxists, Keralists, Naxalites, whatever you want to 0.99
00:06:45.960 call them, they hate Hindus and like killing them. 0.99
00:06:48.460 And they've had a very pro-soft-on-terrorist government for a while. 0.99
00:06:51.080 Now the government's more hard on terrorism.
00:06:52.940 And this is a big selling factor to the billions of people in India who are suffering from terrorism.
00:06:57.320 So when we sort of cast them as trying to, like, assassinate, you know, Hardip Singh Ajar
00:07:02.560 and Panun, who they view as terrorists because Hardip Singh Ajar has been described by his
00:07:07.880 supporters as the leader of the Kalistan Tiger Force, which openly, you know, conducts,
00:07:12.560 you know, clandestine assassinations in India.
00:07:14.480 And you have Panun, who's threatening to blow up Air India flights again.
00:07:18.660 This just boosts Modi's internal polling.
00:07:23.200 That's what it is.
00:07:24.300 Conversely, Indians, you are doing the exact same thing. 1.00
00:07:27.320 To Justin Trudeau and Biden when you talk about free speech.
00:07:31.020 This Indian attack on free speech, I kind of get it because Justin Trudeau lectured you
00:07:35.740 guys on free speech when you first asked him about this.
00:07:38.080 You know, why are Kalistanis running around threatening to kill everyone? 1.00
00:07:40.320 He's like, freedom of speech.
00:07:43.660 The issue of, like, Panun threatening to blow up an airplane is not a free speech issue 0.60
00:07:47.520 in Canada.
00:07:47.980 That's a criminal act.
00:07:49.100 This doesn't fall under free speech.
00:07:50.680 And when you guys keep ranting about the West is too tolerant to freedom of speech, well,
00:07:54.360 Westerners are going to turn against you.
00:07:55.800 Because the big problem we have, the people who oppose Trudeau and Biden, is they are actually
00:07:59.700 very anti-free speech people.
00:08:01.660 And the majority of the support or potential support for India is locked in the people who 0.96
00:08:07.120 are, you know, adamantly pro-free speech.
00:08:09.240 And when you make these noises that you are against free speech, when you're actually against,
00:08:13.780 you know, open calls to genocide and terrorism, you actually make Biden and Trudeau look like
00:08:20.300 more staunch free speech defenders, which actually increases their popularity here, right?
00:08:26.060 So see how no one understands each other?
00:08:27.700 And we're all making this much, much, much less worse.
00:08:31.140 Yeah.
00:08:31.700 Maybe let's talk and figure out each other's motivations to calm this down.
00:08:37.260 And listen, if the Indian government is trying to mess around in Canadian politics, stop it. 0.98
00:08:43.880 Stop it bad.
00:08:45.440 You cannot do this.
00:08:47.460 And two, I do think a big part of this driving is, you see in the Biden administration, the
00:08:53.180 Trudeau administration, we have real problems to deal with internationally, but we choose
00:08:57.760 to deal with the Indians because I think we think it's easier. 1.00
00:09:00.240 This is why we don't talk, you know, yes, Hamas is committing lots of war crimes. 0.50
00:09:05.560 Every rocket fired from a civilian area to a civilian area is a double war crime. 0.61
00:09:09.320 But we don't try and deal with Hamas because we know they can't be reasoned with. 0.99
00:09:12.100 Instead, it's easier to bully the Jews or the Israelis, and it's too hard to deal with 1.00
00:09:15.980 the Chinese or the CCP because they'll push back. 0.95
00:09:17.760 So it's easier to bully the Indians. 1.00
00:09:19.460 And this is a problem we can actually talk about, right?
00:09:22.280 And it's easier.
00:09:23.100 So it's on the path of least resistance here.
00:09:24.860 I think a lot of that is happening.
00:09:26.860 And it's not good for India, and it's not good for America, and it's not good for Canada.
00:09:32.000 Ultimately, if we're going to try and fight off the forces of communism, Islamism, 1.00
00:09:36.340 Calistanis, and the CCP, we're going to have to work together.
00:09:39.860 But there's a massive breakdown between our two societies, and it's getting worse and
00:09:45.540 worse and worse.
00:09:46.120 So did India do this? 0.97
00:09:48.620 Maybe.
00:09:49.020 I would understand their motivations.
00:09:51.140 Did they need to do this?
00:09:52.320 Absolutely not. 1.00
00:09:53.140 This was stupid. 1.00
00:09:54.300 So stupid. 1.00
00:09:55.160 Patrick Brown's not going to win. 1.00
00:09:56.660 I mean, you know, next time you want to go after Patrick Brown, just share the videos
00:10:00.320 I've made explaining why no one should ever talk about Patrick Brown.
00:10:03.580 Like, that's a lot easier than doing anything else. 0.98
00:10:07.320 Like, but, again, it's 2023, and everyone is stupid, and no one is listening to each 0.99
00:10:13.340 other. 1.00
00:10:13.640 So expect more stupidity coming in 2024 as we pick fights with the entire world, and the 1.00
00:10:19.000 entire world picks fights with us, except for the people we need to be fighting, because 0.99
00:10:21.900 that would make sense, and that's not what we do anymore.