The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Did Pierre Poilievre or Maxime Bernier destroy the PPC？

00:00:00.240 Hello, everyone. Wyatt Claypool here. And on the show today, I want to discuss the People's Party of Canada, its leader, Maxime Bernier, as well as Pierre Polyev, the leader of the Conservative Party.

00:00:13.040 I made a post on X yesterday saying I might make a video on this and then giving my reasons why I think the PPC is done as a party at this point.

00:00:22.180 And the response was good enough. I basically had to make this video and give you my perspective on why the PPC has faded into irrelevancy and whether it was Maxime Bernier who killed the PPC or was Pierre Polyev and the Conservative Party who killed the PPC.

00:00:39.540 So I'm going to be answering that question hopefully for you today, at least from my perspective.

00:00:44.640 Of course, leave a comment on what you think about the topic, you know, like this video, subscribe, do all that great stuff.

00:00:51.140 But I'm just going to get straight into it. So I have been critiquing the PPC from the outside, not from the perspective that some Conservative supporters have that, oh, it's helping out the Liberals, it's splitting the vote in 2021, that they're paid by the Liberals.

00:01:06.680 Guys, that's not true. I think most vote splitting is effectively a myth. You don't split your vote, you lose your vote to somebody else.

00:01:15.140 And you only lost it because you didn't have it in the first place, which plays into my point about the PPC today.

00:01:22.340 They don't have support because they lost it. Nobody else stole it from them.

00:01:27.040 Yes, when Pierre Polyev became the Conservative Party leader in late 2022, it really ate into the PPC's polling numbers.

00:01:35.240 But that's because the PPC's polling numbers were never robust in the first place.

00:01:39.820 Nobody really was voting for the PPC. They just didn't like Aaron O'Toole, as nobody should have liked him.

00:01:45.780 I voted for the People's Party in 2021, not because I agree with every single thing Maxime Bernier says.

00:01:52.400 I think he's generally on the mark on most issues.

00:01:55.820 But I was mostly just voting to not vote for the Conservatives because Aaron O'Toole had completely hollowed out all the principles of the Conservative Party.

00:02:03.140 And to say something right here, right off the bat, there's a lot of people out there saying,

00:02:08.280 well, the PPC's were actually responsible for Pierre Polyev becoming the leader and then becoming more conservative.

00:02:14.920 Although the same PPC people will also still say the Conservative Party is still a uniparty and they're still basically socialists, as somebody told me today, which is pathfully absurd.

00:02:23.840 The Conservatives were always far more conservative than Aaron O'Toole sort of portrayed as a leader.

00:02:30.660 They were always more conservative probably than even Andrew Scheer was, at least on fiscal issues, since Andrew Scheer is pretty conservative when it comes to social issues.

00:02:39.480 Bernier didn't move the Conservatives.

00:02:42.360 Aaron O'Toole just fell out of favor and they went back towards the more conservative norm.

00:02:47.460 Plus, Canadians in general became more conservative.

00:02:50.540 So Pierre Polyev positioned himself more along the lines of what most Canadians wanted.

00:02:55.960 They didn't want somebody who was soft on whether or not they were going to cut the carbon tax.

00:02:59.660 They want someone who was very hard on saying they're going to cut the carbon tax.

00:03:02.940 They want someone saying that immigration is too high, that we need to reduce regulations on house building.

00:03:07.940 That doesn't mean getting rid of zoning laws.

00:03:09.500 It just means speeding up housing by reducing regulations, reducing taxes, labor codes, all this sort of thing.

00:03:16.360 We've had zoning laws forever, and somehow it never made housing expensive in the past.

00:03:22.440 Obviously, the main issues are regulations and mass immigration.

00:03:26.100 But Polyev has genuinely been far more conservative on those issues than any of the previous conservative leaders.

00:03:33.340 But you'll still have the PPC saying he's still not conservative enough.

00:03:36.840 And this is where I'm getting into, yes, Polyev became the leader and took some PPC support, but he didn't kill the PPC.

00:03:43.640 The PPC has its own agency.

00:03:46.340 Maxime Bernier has personal agency to do the right thing and position himself better on the issues.

00:03:52.320 And my perspective is that Bernier killed the PPC.

00:03:55.920 The People's Party of Canada could have been a thing.

00:03:58.640 And I'm going to go all the way back to 2019, the first federal election that the PPC contested.

00:04:04.720 From my perspective, Bernier intentionally flubbed that election.

00:04:09.680 The PPC only got 1.9% support, but that doesn't really matter.

00:04:12.940 You don't actually need a lot of popular vote support in order to have a political impact.

00:04:18.200 My problem is it seemed like Bernier didn't actually want to have a political impact by winning a seat.

00:04:23.080 And he intentionally never campaigned at all in his riding of Bose.

00:04:26.900 He only lost Bose, can I remind people, by around 10%.

00:04:31.400 I think it was like 9.8%, which isn't a big loss considering that Bose was a riding that was only really being contested between Bernier and his conservative opponent.

00:04:41.360 If he took 5% from the conservative of the vote, he would have been tied with them.

00:04:47.780 And then he just needs to take a little bit more support maybe from liberals who don't want a conservative or maybe by reaching out to maybe Bloc Québécois type French sovereignists or whatever,

00:04:58.920 who might be willing to vote for Bernier because he wants to empower the provinces to be more independent.

00:05:03.900 He could have done that.

00:05:04.560 I think he intentionally didn't do that because he's already being paid to be the PPC leader, $114,000 a year.

00:05:10.860 Plus, if he doesn't get back into Parliament, he can just start taking his pension.

00:05:14.280 I don't think Bernier ever actually wanted to win.

00:05:16.820 Why else would he just be gallivanting around rural Alberta and rural Manitoba, rural Saskatchewan, winning no seats?

00:05:24.820 Yes, you can gain a lot of rural votes, but you're not going to get more than 15%, 16%, even the most rural supportive ridings you can find.

00:05:33.440 You have to prove, and it's crazy I have to give her a compliment, you have to prove the formula works.

00:05:39.460 And Elizabeth May did that with the Green Party. 1.00

00:05:42.200 I dislike the Green Party deeply.

00:05:44.040 I am a very conservative person, so obviously I don't like them.

00:05:47.760 But Elizabeth May realized that they actually had a chance to win in Saanich and the Gulf Islands. 1.00

00:05:53.640 She used to run in Nova Scotia center against Peter McKay and would get blasted every single time.

00:05:59.660 And then eventually she realized Saanich and the Gulf Islands is a really good riding that they can win.

00:06:06.060 It used to be a Reform Alliance riding.

00:06:08.540 This is a conservative area.

00:06:09.800 But there was enough kind of a granola conservative crossover voters who are willing to vote green because there's a lot of anti-establishment voters who vote green, even though they maybe don't even agree with the policies.

00:06:21.080 They like voting for non-typical politicians.

00:06:24.180 So Elizabeth May targeted this riding, literally flew in tons of Green Party activists from around Canada and the U.S. to hit doors with her, to drop leaflets, to put up signs. 1.00

00:06:33.820 She was there for months in advance of the election, and she won it.

00:06:38.660 Bernier, after he lost in Boas twice in 2019 and 2021, and then for some reason ran in York Center just to get slapped, you never run your leader in a dead-on-arrival riding.

00:06:51.260 That's a great way of stealing away their mystique. 0.99

00:06:53.820 Watching your leader get less than 5% of the vote in a given riding is a very stupid idea. 0.89

00:06:59.000 But anyways, then in 2023, he targets the riding of Portage Lisgar. 0.85

00:07:05.300 He's going to run in the PPC's best riding in 2021, which is really pathetic that his best riding wasn't his own.

00:07:11.820 He only got like 18% the second time in Boas, even though the first time he got like 36%.

00:07:16.380 It was like not a bad showing at all.

00:07:18.440 So he goes to Portage Lisgar, which the PPC got 21% in the last time.

00:07:23.700 He only shows up 28 days, 30 days before the race.

00:07:27.420 He knew there was going to be a by-election there for probably six months because when Bergen, Candace Bergen, the interim leader for the Conservatives between O'Toole and Polyev, when she said that she was going to resign from Parliament, she's going to be retiring, he knew that that was going to be a coming by-election area, and it was a really great riding for the PPC.

00:07:45.760 He could have been there for six months, talking to people, showing that he was serious, moving to the riding, buying a house there, you know, showing up to farmers markets, talking to people at churches, going to bars, just meeting people at where they're at.

00:07:59.240 Instead, he shows up right when the Ritt gets dropped for that election, and he gets clobbered by Brandon Leslie, the Conservative candidate, who had already had to run in a nomination to become the Conservative candidate in that riding, so he had already been campaigning for months.

00:08:13.660 Did Bernie really think he was going to show up, still dressed like a Montreal ponce, and that people in Portage Lisgar, a partially farming community, was going to vote for him?

00:08:23.260 He's out of his mind to think they would, and I don't think he actually is out of his mind, I think he knew he was going to lose, and he intentionally lost, because he doesn't actually want the PPC to get traction, because that might mean work.

00:08:34.880 And so, that's the real thing here, Bernie doesn't work, that's why he's losing, but to keep people donating, and the donations are drying up right now, this is where I'll bring up Twitter, donations are drying up.

00:08:46.040 But to be able to keep the donations coming in the last couple years, because they raised more than a million dollars in 2023, which is decently impressive, since Polyev is the Conservative leader, and he was gaining a lot of traction.

00:08:57.580 So, it showed that the PPC hadn't run out of gas yet, there were still the resources around to try and expand.

00:09:04.040 Right now, they're only at $582,189, with all three of the last quarters combined. 0.94

00:09:10.600 That's absolutely pathetic. You cannot run a party nationally on this kind of a budget. 0.94

00:09:17.460 But to keep people donating, he takes hardcore stances, and that's what drives me off the wall with Maxime Bernier.

00:09:23.820 It's become the purity testing party.

00:09:26.400 Oh, here Polyev wants to lower immigration, even below what Justin Trudeau just proposed, down to 400,000 permanent residents.

00:09:33.220 Polyev wants to go even lower, and has been telling French media and other media that he wants immigration rates to be much lower, temporary foreign worker rates to be much lower, all that stuff.

00:09:43.180 Well, Bernier will come out and say, I want a moratorium.

00:09:45.500 See, Polyev, you're a communist compared to me, because I have taken a ridiculously purist position, which you're not going to take, because you're not insane.

00:09:53.240 But I get to go talk to my supporters, who still believe in me, and say, see, he's still liberal light.

00:09:59.180 He's still part of the uniparty, because he doesn't want zero immigration. 0.78

00:10:03.920 Even people who want very low immigration, I want very low immigration for the next several years, because of how high it's been over the past decade.

00:10:13.500 We need it lowered a lot.

00:10:15.300 But I'd have a cap of 70,000, maybe 100,000, and it's just a cap.

00:10:20.340 I'd also want means tests, values tests.

00:10:22.580 You can't bring in too many dependents with you.

00:10:25.140 It has to be very low, the amount of people you bring with you, even if you're a professional, skilled immigrant. 1.00

00:10:32.440 And maybe if not more than 10,000 people qualify in a year, that's fine with me.

00:10:37.680 I just want people who are skilled and not just going to lower the wage pool for Canadians just getting their first jobs.

00:10:43.680 Anyways, so, but like, but then Bernier could then say to me, oh, why?

00:10:48.880 So you're not as purest as me.

00:10:49.980 I want zero immigrants, and you want 100,000 max. 1.00

00:10:54.820 No doubt this is why nobody wants to vote for them, because you don't, you can't win an election just being the most pure guy.

00:11:02.260 And it's a self-defeating argument, because I, in theory, could just start the Wyatt Claypool Party.

00:11:07.400 And turns out the Wyatt Claypool Party supports 100% of the things I, Wyatt Claypool, believe in.

00:11:13.140 I could, why don't I just vote for the Christian Heritage Party?

00:11:16.440 I'm a social conservative.

00:11:17.860 Aren't they technically more purest than the PPC is?

00:11:21.080 Sure.

00:11:21.680 So that's where the PPC undermines itself.

00:11:24.020 And that's where I want to bring up some more Maxime Bernier posts.

00:11:27.420 It's delusional how he casts himself as being like a populist hero like Donald Trump, when he hasn't put the work in that Donald Trump did.

00:11:36.300 Where is the membership signups for the PPC?

00:11:39.320 Where is the EDAs?

00:11:40.680 Their EDAs get dissolved all the time because they don't even put in their paperwork, their financials at the end of the year that every party has to.

00:11:46.800 It's because they aren't putting in the work.

00:11:48.240 Here's what Maxime Bernier said after Donald Trump won the presidency.

00:11:51.560 This is on the 9th, so it's a few days afterwards.

00:11:53.980 He says, woke leftists are saying that right-wing populist politicians like me, Trump and others, are fascists.

00:11:59.980 They are utterly wrong.

00:12:01.540 Fighting for fundamental rights and freedoms is the opposite of fascism.

00:12:04.560 And I agree with that.

00:12:05.580 Obviously, it's the opposite of fascism.

00:12:07.200 Fascism is a left-wing totalitarian socialist ideology.

00:12:11.240 And he goes on to talk about all the great things he wants to do.

00:12:13.980 And it says, the rise of fascism in the U.S. and Canada.

00:12:17.820 And guys, nobody was talking about Maxime Bernier.

00:12:21.500 Maxime Bernier randomly asserts himself into conversations about Trump.

00:12:25.420 He randomly asserts himself into conversations about Javier Mele in Argentina, of Bukele in, what is that?

00:12:34.680 I was going to say San Jose for no reason.

00:12:37.220 Whatever that country is.

00:12:39.040 I'm not sure why I can't.

00:12:40.120 El Salvador.

00:12:40.900 There you go.

00:12:42.420 He will assert himself and compare himself to, like, Gert Wilders or Nigel Farage.

00:12:47.500 It's like, you have to earn it, Bernier.

00:12:49.760 Being a populist is not actually a good thing.

00:12:51.740 I'm anti-populist.

00:12:53.120 And I know a lot of people are going to be like, well, populism is good, Wyatt.

00:12:56.180 You define populism as good.

00:12:57.740 I'm not even against it exactly.

00:12:59.640 I'm only anti-populism because I'm pro-principles.

00:13:02.800 Because the things that you stand for that are populist today could be not populist tomorrow.

00:13:08.780 But if it's the right thing, you should just stick with it.

00:13:10.640 That's where I'm more so saying I'm at.

00:13:12.840 I stand for things I believe are right.

00:13:15.280 Rather than just popular or, you know, it's very fiery and the emotionally resonant types of positions.

00:13:21.060 I'll take boring positions if I think it's the right one compared to the more emotionally resonant one.

00:13:26.400 But Bernier has not put in the work, but he keeps just projecting that he's the guy.

00:13:30.800 Here's a video that a PPC person clipped and posted from one of his meetings, I believe, in Calgary.

00:13:36.280 It was some national convention for the party.

00:13:38.720 And by the way, the PPC does not actually have a constitution.

00:13:43.500 They've never made a constitution.

00:13:45.280 Bernier, despite being the freedom guy, is effectively a dictator of his party.

00:13:48.880 You cannot do – they had a leadership review, but he did the leadership review right after the 21 election where a lot of people were, like, happy that the PPC got 5%, not 1.9%.

00:13:59.440 And so he passed it, even though – even if he failed that leadership test, it wouldn't have mattered because Bernier chooses if he stops being a leader or not.

00:14:07.260 He has the same protections as leader that Justin Trudeau does.

00:14:11.000 Nobody can throw him out, and nobody's membership means anything.

00:14:14.480 You don't get to vote on anything other than if he lets you vote on it at the time that best suits himself.

00:14:18.980 But here's him delusionally talking about how he has momentum.

00:14:22.820 There's a quiet momentum.

00:14:25.660 Oh, it's a quiet momentum.

00:14:28.460 It's a momentum nobody can see because, you know, it doesn't exist.

00:14:32.100 In Montreal, Toronto, Calgary, I can feel it.

00:14:37.360 People are ready for a big change.

00:14:40.660 And we are there.

00:14:44.160 We are ready.

00:14:46.020 We are a small team, but a strong team.

00:14:50.300 People should ask, why, since 2018, is it still a strong team?

00:14:55.220 You've had six years plus to make it not a small, strong team.

00:14:59.260 How about we have a big, strong team?

00:15:01.320 Well, they haven't been using their money right.

00:15:02.780 You know that Preston Manning never paid himself to be the leader of the Reform Party until they actually won seats?

00:15:09.140 Bernier pays himself regardless if he wins seats or not, or even improves his results.

00:15:13.660 Since the 21 election, the PPC have been bringing in around half of what they got in most of the ridings when they've run in by-elections.

00:15:20.300 And these are ridings where there's only one race or two races in the country to focus on, and somehow they can't pump up their vote.

00:15:27.880 Usually, small parties that are actually resonant will maintain or expand their vote in by-elections because fewer people are voting,

00:15:35.460 and your hardcore supporters, in theory, should come out and buoy your support numbers.

00:15:39.920 That happens all the time.

00:15:41.800 Actually, that happens with the new blue party in Ontario.

00:15:44.340 Small party starting off doesn't have seats yet.

00:15:46.360 But from when it ran in the 22 Ontario provincial election and into the by-elections, it's basically maintained its support around 5%, 6% or so.

00:15:55.200 In many of the ridings in the southwest they ran in, they're able to score better in some of these by-elections by small margins.

00:16:02.220 But that's not bad if you're a small party being able to hold on to the support you previously won.

00:16:07.720 I'd encourage people even to join the new blue party of Ontario because Doug Ford is just not actually conservative.

00:16:14.080 He is very liberal in both his social and fiscal policy.

00:16:18.140 And so to give him a slap on the head at the very least, someone should join the new blue party to actually pose a threat to the PCs rather than just simply being the best of the worst between himself, the Liberals, and the NDP.

00:16:29.240 He's blowing out the spending on Ontario.

00:16:31.640 He is doing the same types of subsidy politics that Justin Trudeau does.

00:16:35.200 He just targets subsidies to specific industries and regions in order to try and win support in those areas.

00:16:41.720 He literally will partner with Trudeau at times to do that same thing where they'll both go in on the same EV or battery plant subsidized jobs in order to both claim credit for creating jobs and driving the economy even though it's fake jobs because you had to pay for them to exist.

00:16:56.780 Anyways, but I'll let Bernier to get back to his point here.

00:17:01.240 Because our values are the right one.

00:17:05.460 We are not afraid to say that this country has been built on the supremacy of God and the rule of law.

00:17:15.920 You could tell he was uncomfortable saying that one because Bernier, spoiler alert, and I don't care, but Bernier is an atheist.

00:17:22.120 I don't care that he is, but stop pretending that you're a big social conservative now.

00:17:30.080 Here's a great one where somebody was responding to this guy, Alex Cargill, transplender on X, attacking my post about Bernier.

00:17:40.060 And this guy agreed with Alex saying, what a maroon.

00:17:44.000 He sees that Maxime Bernier is gaining traction, mostly because of his strong and consistent message on mass immigration and wants to get out in front of that before it intensifies.

00:17:53.600 New addition to the rebel smear machine dot com.

00:17:57.360 The tentacles run deep.

00:17:59.100 Rebel News still has Bernier on.

00:18:00.980 How are they the tentacle machine?

00:18:02.920 I've had Bernier on the show before, back in the day, and then he didn't answer our questions about the Constitution because he wasn't going to make one, even though he keeps promising it.

00:18:13.020 What traction?

00:18:14.360 I'm here doing a post-mortem.

00:18:16.820 There's no traction.

00:18:18.020 The traction died, and Bernier killed it because Bernier hasn't put the work in.

00:18:22.880 Just taking good positions on policy, and I can agree with a lot of the PPC's positions, just taking a good position doesn't mean that you've marketed that position.

00:18:31.100 You've got to take a good position and then market it to people.

00:18:34.280 I tell people all the time, I hate the Aaron O'Toole way of doing politics, where you water yourself down until you're so inoffensive that, in theory, anyone could vote for you.

00:18:46.800 But if you're the party for everyone, you're also the party for nobody.

00:18:49.840 People vote on issues that they're passionate about, and Aaron O'Toole lacked passion.

00:18:53.860 I always tell people, run on very conservative ideas and values and platform points, and then figure out how to describe that to somebody who might not be very conservative.

00:19:04.260 I did that.

00:19:05.360 I ran in a nomination.

00:19:06.520 I got kicked out of a conservative nomination because certain advisors at the top of the party didn't want me to win.

00:19:12.060 But I was gaining massive support running against immigration, running on reducing spending in government, running on putting way more police on the streets, expanding military spending, reducing a lot of bloated immigration incentive programs.

00:19:29.500 That works.

00:19:30.340 You can do it.

00:19:31.000 You can get it done.

00:19:31.900 But no PPC guy who's ever run in my area in a federal election has even knocked on a door.

00:19:36.440 That's the problem.

00:19:37.240 There's no incentives to do anything right because the PPC's genuine theory on politics, or at least the cheerleaders, are everyone is just a temporarily confused populist PPC supporter who's only voting for the conservatives or the liberals or the NDP because they haven't been woken up yet.

00:19:53.960 This is also what we call woke politics.

00:19:55.880 The idea that everyone's just an asleep sheep until they will wake up one day to the injustice of the system and start voting for your party.

00:20:02.720 If you sound like a far left Antifa communist, but from the right, you're doing something wrong.

00:20:09.800 And I'm not accusing them of being lefties, obviously.

00:20:12.620 I'm just saying that when your theory of politics, that things just have to get bad enough, then people flock over to you.

00:20:18.160 If that's your theory of how things are going to work, you're not going to win ever.

00:20:22.460 But here's also a thing.

00:20:23.560 Here's a thing that also has alienated people from Bernier.

00:20:26.400 He just slanders people.

00:20:27.960 A lot of what he does is frankly just slander.

00:20:30.520 However, attacking pure Polyev as being a lefty is not going to win you votes.

00:20:36.700 Saying that he's impure enough is not going to win you votes, especially because the purity argument will eventually lose you votes.

00:20:43.380 Here's what we have here.

00:20:44.940 He's retweeting stuff on his account.

00:20:46.960 If he does run his account, I know his people say he does, but I've had people who left the party say he absolutely doesn't.

00:20:53.640 Who's this?

00:20:54.660 Maxine Bernier reposted this.

00:20:56.420 Who's this appealing to?

00:20:58.240 Oh, Justin Trudeau is out for China.

00:20:59.900 You could make an argument for that.

00:21:01.580 Here, Polyev's out for India.

00:21:03.620 Now, that's just slander.

00:21:05.440 Does anyone think that Polyev is actually more interested in India than Canada?

00:21:10.140 Obviously not. 0.98

00:21:11.300 It's just a stupid little jab to say to make your people like you more, to make your own supporters who are already supporting you keep supporting you harder. 0.99

00:21:20.240 Here, I'm going to try and find this other one. 1.00

00:21:21.900 It's crazy the type of people he retweets.

00:21:23.900 He'll just retweet the most openly, not case type accounts as long as they're screeching his name enough.

00:21:29.800 And the problem with what I would say is purity politics is eventually with purity politics, you will cause other people from the right to say you're not pure enough.

00:21:39.460 Not even really on the right because I find who I'm about to talk about, white nationalists, are in fact not on the right.

00:21:45.580 They're collectivist leftists when you actually know what their social and economic views are. 0.99

00:21:50.920 And so now he has all these morons, these people who fell out of pickup trucks and landed headfirst like Ferryman's Troll, criticizing Bernier because he met with a Hindu group. 0.99

00:21:59.340 That's how nuts some of the people who used to support him are, that if you meet with Indian people, you're now bad. 1.00

00:22:04.780 But here's something that he posted himself, not just retweeting someone.

00:22:08.200 Oh, pure poly is against the carbon tax, but he's in favor of the Paris climate agreement.

00:22:12.840 He's not.

00:22:14.100 He's just not.

00:22:15.520 He's not.

00:22:16.100 He's obviously not.

00:22:17.280 But you'll have Bernier retweeting stuff about how polyev's in favor of the WEF.

00:22:22.740 Max, you went to the WEF in 2008.

00:22:25.480 I actually don't even care that he did that because it was obviously at a time where people don't really know what the WEF is all about.

00:22:31.020 It sounds prestigious.

00:22:32.160 They'll let me sit on stage.

00:22:33.880 And polyev, sorry, not polyev, politicians love having microphones thrown in their faces on stages and feeling important.

00:22:40.260 That's why actually a lot of people went to the WEF.

00:22:42.860 It's not because they take orders from them.

00:22:44.600 Some people go because they just already agree with Klaus Schaub and the more socialist, corporatist ideas that they push.

00:22:51.780 But a lot of other people who are actual conservatives, like Trump showed up to the WEF.

00:22:55.140 Do you think he actually supports it?

00:22:56.660 No, they invited him to speak, and Trump likes to speak to crowds.

00:22:59.960 And he'll even attack the organization that he's on stage speaking at. 0.78

00:23:04.260 Javier Mele did this when he went to the UN and went to the WEF, just basically made fun of them and saying that you guys are the past and you guys are like socialist nutcases.

00:23:12.880 You can go to the places without being tainted.

00:23:14.820 I don't think Bernier's tainted.

00:23:15.760 But he's attacking polyev because in like 2005 or something like that, or like 2009, he said something nice about the WEF.

00:23:23.920 Who cares?

00:23:25.440 Who, what voters vote on issues like this?

00:23:28.920 Which voters are going to be like, oh, Bernier's the most anti-WEF guy.

00:23:33.440 I'm going to go vote for him.

00:23:34.340 It's an immaterial issue because other than like Chrystia Freeland inside the Liberal Party, no politician is ever going to say something nice about the WEF or run on a WEF platform.

00:23:46.340 Like, yes, the liberals are very much in line with the WEF, but that's just saying they're in line.

00:23:52.620 They just happen to agree on those issues.

00:23:54.860 That's really the real secret of the WEF. 1.00

00:23:56.700 There's a lot of idiots and they all happen to agree with each other. 1.00

00:23:59.660 Regardless, what type of voters care how hardcore the PPC is? 1.00

00:24:04.560 How is that winning them votes?

00:24:06.140 It doesn't.

00:24:07.080 And I think that Bernier is not trying to win any votes.

00:24:09.460 He's trying to be as hardcore as possible to squeeze his donors for money.

00:24:13.780 And then he can just keep paying himself until this thing eventually runs dry.

00:24:17.360 And Bernier is going to give himself a pat on the back and say, well, I tried my best when he hasn't.

00:24:21.360 He hasn't.

00:24:22.400 Smaller parties have succeeded.

00:24:23.940 The People's Alliance in New Brunswick succeeded.

00:24:25.700 Social credit back in the day succeeded.

00:24:27.720 Reform succeeded.

00:24:29.080 There's a lot of parties that have succeeded that are smaller, start out small.

00:24:32.440 BC Conservatives, even I would say the new blue party of Ontario, even though it hasn't won a seat yet, has been operating EDAs in all 124 ridings.

00:24:41.760 They actually have a constitution.

00:24:44.540 They just had a democratically passed policy resolution that they put forward.

00:24:48.740 They actually have a member voted on policy documents.

00:24:52.220 Some people liked everything in it.

00:24:53.440 Some people didn't like certain aspects of it or the membership, but it was done democratically because they promised to do that and they fulfilled it.

00:25:00.100 Bernier hasn't because he's not about fulfilling promises.

00:25:02.740 He's just about sounding hardcore.

00:25:05.100 He even is pretending to be so pro-life now.

00:25:06.780 He's never been pro-life.

00:25:07.760 He was one of the most pro-abortion people inside the Conservative Party when he was still a Conservative MP.

00:25:12.140 Anyways, that's it for me today, guys.

00:25:16.180 That's my – actually, you know what?

00:25:17.520 I'm going to end this video off with just me reading my post because I think it was at least a good way of summing this whole conversation up.

00:25:27.140 Here it is.

00:25:28.460 So I'll just end on this.

00:25:29.420 What I was basing this entire video on, I suppose, but I think I put more eloquently when I wrote it down.

00:25:35.140 I said, I'm probably going to make a video tomorrow on why Maxine Bernier and the PPC failed to gain traction.

00:25:40.940 But here's a general overview of the topic.

00:25:43.120 Pure poly of the Conservatives didn't steal their momentum.

00:25:45.320 They didn't earn the momentum they got when O'Toole was leader.

00:25:47.820 So all the momentum faded after the 2021 election.

00:25:51.260 The PPC could have maintained their 5% support and even potentially grown if they played their cards right and, you know, actually tried.

00:25:58.360 The PPC influencers believe all voters are just temporarily confused populists and will eventually wake up and support the PPC is how you stay at 1% to 2% in the polls.

00:26:09.120 People vote for candidates and parties they trust.

00:26:11.140 If you truly believe people are just confused or being tricked into not voting for you, then you don't understand the average voter.

00:26:17.000 The PPC has also made itself an anti-CPC party rather than an alternative to the current Liberals the way the other far more serious parties position themselves as.

00:26:26.260 Campaigns are job interviews for government, but the PPC is not interviewing to become the next government.

00:26:31.600 It is interviewing to be the next opposition or more purest version of the Conservatives, which is not what voters care about.

00:26:38.180 Voters want a new government, not a more hardcore version of the opposition.

00:26:41.920 Couldn't have said it better myself because it was me saying that.

00:26:45.120 I'm just kidding.

00:26:45.980 I'm just being fake arrogant here.

00:26:47.840 But that does touch on another thing, too.

00:26:51.240 The PPC only criticizes the Conservatives.

00:26:53.340 They'll criticize the Liberals sometimes, but they mostly criticize the Liberals under the umbrella of the Uniparty.

00:27:01.220 They don't criticize the Liberals on their own terms and say what they would do better.

00:27:05.200 They mostly just say that the Conservatives aren't doing good enough and we do whatever the Conservatives are doing but more.

00:27:11.440 And nobody really wants that right now.

00:27:13.500 Nobody actually thinks if Polyev becomes the new Prime Minister that there won't be substantial change.

00:27:18.640 Polyev is running very hard on substantial change and they can say, well, he's like, well, how can you prove he will do substantially different things?

00:27:28.080 It's like the problem with Polyev is he said so much that he wants to change that if he didn't change things substantially, he would lose the next election because people would say you're a liar and you didn't achieve 90% of the things you said you were going to do.

00:27:40.320 And so Polyev has put himself in a position where he's incentivized to deliver.

00:27:45.700 That's what you have to do.

00:27:46.820 That's the problem with Bernier.

00:27:47.900 He is not incentivized to win an election.

00:27:51.000 He is incentivized to seem more hardcore than Conservatives.

00:27:53.920 And even the issues the PPC dwells on are issues where either the Conservatives are already good on those issues and Canadians agree with them and the PPC is just saying, well, we're 5% better.

00:28:05.700 Or they constantly talk about foreign policy in such a way that Canadians don't care.

00:28:10.320 Canadians don't think that somebody is a traitor to the nation or anti-patriotic if they care about Israel or Ukraine.

00:28:17.180 But that's where the PPC have positioned themselves and unnecessarily alienated tons and tons of people.

00:28:22.900 Just basically said that you're not a true patriot if you care about the sovereignty of other nations outside of Canada.

00:28:28.860 You can care about other countries outside of Canada and still care about Canada, guys.

00:28:33.100 It's not difficult.

00:28:34.040 I do it all the time.

00:28:35.220 I care about the country of Georgia.

00:28:37.020 I'm not Georgian.

00:28:37.880 I'm not from Georgia.

00:28:38.720 But I care because I tend to want to stand for the right things for the right reasons.

00:28:45.500 Anyways, that's it for me today, guys.

00:28:48.260 Have a good one.

00:28:49.080 If you want to support the show, you can donate to the Give, Send, Go in the description below as well as at the top of the comments.

00:28:55.320 I know I'm going to be accused of being paid now because I've made a video on the PPC.

00:28:59.920 But I do indeed fundraise money for my legal fund through these little donation links.

00:29:06.080 And then I make my money through AdSense money.

00:29:08.740 Apparently, though, I'm a conservative shill, even though I was kicked out of conservative nomination because people at the top didn't like that I wasn't, I don't know, like a shill. 0.82

00:29:18.780 I don't even know why.

00:29:20.560 That's not a problem with 99% of the party.

00:29:22.620 There was just a couple of advisors who didn't even necessarily hate me, but they just wanted their own guy in.

00:29:28.060 And if you know how my story ended in Calgary Signal Hill, I actually made sure the guy that certain party advisors were trying to jam through, I made sure he still lost.

00:29:36.560 So jokes on them.

00:29:38.060 That will make a great story in the future.

00:29:39.860 But obviously, I play my cards close to the chest on some of these issues.

00:29:44.080 Anyways, have a good one.

00:29:45.920 See ya.

00:29:46.340 See ya.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - November 11, 2024

Did Pierre Poilievre or Maxime Bernier destroy the PPC？

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