The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - May 16, 2026


Eby KILLS Carney's Fake Pipeline Scheme - Alberta and BC Fight over agreement!

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In this episode of the National Telegraph, Wyatt Claypools his thoughts on Mark Carney's deal with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith regarding a potential pipeline between Alberta and Canada. He also discusses the impact of David Eby's opposition to the deal and what it means for the project.

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00:00:00 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.
00:00:06 I just quickly wanted to comment on this development around Mark Carney's potential
00:00:11 maybe someday pipeline with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith. Now I want to start this video
00:00:18 off saying I actually kind of agree here with Marty up north. We don't agree on everything,
00:00:23 but on this we definitely agree. Not 100%, but I agree with the sentiment. He says
00:00:29 it's too bad she had a lot of potential but she's going to go down as just another one-term premier
00:00:35 and he is of course referring to alberta premier danielle smith because today she signed an
00:00:42 agreement with mark carney to potentially maybe build a pipeline someday mark carney right here
00:00:49 says today's agreement between canada and alberta will diversify our exports reduce our emissions
00:00:55 and give investors the certainty they need to build.
00:00:58 Together, we're building a stronger, more prosperous, and more sustainable future for all.
00:01:03 Now, if the agreement commits to reduce our emissions,
00:01:07 I'm sorry, but that is kind of what we call in the business foreshadowing
00:01:12 that we're probably not going to actually get a pipeline.
00:01:16 Now, everyone is ballyhooing the idea that this is a pipeline agreement.
00:01:22 We know we're going to get a pipeline because we signed something that said
00:01:25 pipeline in it. But this is not a pipeline agreement. This is another kicking the can
00:01:30 down the road to potentially saying yes someday to a pipeline of some kind. What happens is on
00:01:39 October 1st, 2026, Mark Carney will designate the concept of a West Coast pipeline as a project
00:01:47 of national interest, and then may end up following up to give a construction approval
00:01:55 to one in September of 2027. But none of this actually guarantees somebody is going to build
00:02:03 a pipeline, or that the regulatory hurdles are going to be gotten out of the way for the pipeline.
00:02:10 You will note that Bill C-69 and Bill C-48, I forget the exact technical names for them,
00:02:16 are still in place. There is a federal conservative private members bill actually from my MP David
00:02:24 McKenzie currently going through Parliament to try and repeal Bill C-48, which is one of the biggest
00:02:30 hurdles that prevents any oil and gas from being shipped off of the northwest coast, a big hurdle
00:02:38 to actually having any proponents step up and want to build a pipeline. Carney and the liberals could
00:02:44 already gotten rid of Bill C-48 if they wanted. They could have gotten rid of Bill C-69. So what
00:02:49 I'm seeing here is Danielle Smith has gone from what I assume to be a little bit of performative
00:02:55 naivete to just being naive. She effectively committed to reducing emissions and paying more 0.98
00:03:03 money, just signing Alberta's oil and gas industry to paying more carbon taxes for the general vague
00:03:09 promise that something might be built at some point, even though what she signed in theory
00:03:14 actually makes it less attractive for a proponent to come forward. In many ways, maybe this does
00:03:20 result in the pipeline and I'm going to look foolish. I've never closed the door to the
00:03:24 possibility it might get built. I just don't think it's in the cards with Mark Carney. If he wanted
00:03:29 to get one built, as people like Pierre Polyev have been suggesting, he could have immediately
00:03:35 put out a permit, just said, I approve any pipeline concept going to the Northwest coast,
00:03:42 and I'm going to get rid of all the regulatory hurdles, all the tax hurdles, and just get it
00:03:48 going right now. He could have done that a long time ago. He's stretching out this process as
00:03:53 long as possible. And already, the entire project has hit another new hurdle. And that is the
00:04:01 Premier of British Columbia, David Eby, who after the announcement was made, immediately came out to
00:04:08 attack Daniel Smith and Alberta. And you could say, well, this is just whining from David Eby.
00:04:14 What does this matter anyways? It actually matters a lot because Prime Minister Mark Carney
00:04:21 has said his Liberal government will only go forward with a pipeline if First Nations and
00:04:28 the provinces approve. And David Eby here has basically said that he does not approve because
00:04:34 Danielle Smith is a secret separatist or whatever. I'm going to read you guys this so you can
00:04:38 just see how delusional this whole thing is. But the problem is Mark Carney is hinging the success
00:04:44 of the project on a delusional person, David Eby. The next BC elections are not until 2028,
00:04:52 And I do not see an early election in that province in the cards. And so even if Mark Carney stays true to giving a construction approval in 2027, the problem is he's going to let the BC government determine the speed at which things move forward or full on have a veto, give First Nations a veto because they don't like it.
00:05:15 and apparently that was part of the formula. What I think Mark Carney is doing is what I've
00:05:20 been saying he's been doing the entire time. He will keep saying yes while outsourcing saying no
00:05:25 to other people later. But before we get into that statement with David Eby a little bit later
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00:06:18 So here is what David Eby said on social media just a bit ago. He says, it cannot be the case
00:06:25 that the projects that get prioritized in Canada are those where a premier threatens to leave the
00:06:30 country. Next week, I'll be meeting with the prime minister to bring him a list of projects we can
00:06:35 work on for the benefit of all Canadians. So what it sounds like here is NDP Premier David Eby
00:06:42 is playing a brinksmanship game against both Alberta Premier Daniel Smith as well as Prime
00:06:50 Minister Mark Carney. Now the problem for Mark Carney is again not only has he put decision-making
00:06:56 power partially in the hands of Premier David Eby but more seats are at risk for the federal
00:07:04 liberals in British Columbia than Alberta. I am predicting that, again, what is going to happen
00:07:10 is that Eby and Carney are going to come to an agreement to basically slowly kill the prospects
00:07:16 of a pipeline. Talk about how they worked some things out. They discussed how things need to
00:07:22 move forward with full consultation with First Nations and environmental groups. And the timeline
00:07:28 will keep going. But as time goes on, Mark Carney will start bumping back construction approval
00:07:33 by a few months here and there and the media will keep saying it's just a few months they just have
00:07:38 to talk to the Haida Gwaii they just have to talk to this indigenous group they just have to talk
00:07:43 to the Heights Foundation and we will never actually get to a project remember we had what
00:07:49 it was at the uh it wasn't the coastal link or it wasn't the TMX but you get my point we've had
00:07:55 pipelines that almost started building even partially started building and got shut down
00:08:00 The idea that we have the media now promoting and saying, see, Carney's pro pipeline. On the surface, I still have not seen any pipe actually laid down into the ground to get the thing to the coast. We are preemptively celebrating something that by definition is a year and a half away from even being theoretically started.
00:08:23 but in uh in david eby's full statement here he says as a country it's time to stop rewarding bad
00:08:30 behavior it cannot be the case that the projects that get prioritized in canada are those where
00:08:34 a premier threatens to leave the country here in the bc we have the what the rest of the world is
00:08:40 looking for critical minerals natural resources and port access we have shovel ready projects
00:08:45 with real proponents and investments that will provide good paying jobs and funding for public
00:08:49 services some of our 88 billion in prioritized projects have been reached final investment
00:08:54 decisions creating thousands of new high-paying jobs despite this early success our 35 additional
00:09:00 job creating projects need more attention and coordination with ottawa these 35 projects will
00:09:05 bring jobs and prosperity to all of canada the federal government must work as closely must work
00:09:11 as closely with us on these projects as they work with the government of alberta on daniel smith's
00:09:16 proposed pipeline a project that has yet to identify a proponent or a route and it just
00:09:23 keeps going on and trying to conspiracy conspiracy eyes about how danielle smith is secretly controlled
00:09:30 by the separatist forces in alberta and she's threatening to leave the country never has danielle
00:09:36 smith ever threatened to leave the country to have alberta separate she simply says the sentiment is
00:09:42 there and it is growing because of the actions of ottawa now again i think that danielle smith is
00:09:49 being played a little bit here by mark carney because she has just signed up to increasing
00:09:55 the industrial carbon tax in alberta that was previously frozen at 95 dollars a ton
00:10:03 right here in the ctv news report it says as reported earlier the deal lowers the effective
00:10:10 carbon price for Alberta to 130 a ton by 2024 instead of 2030. As previously laid out in the
00:10:17 memorandum of understanding signed by the pair in November, that deal originally laid out
00:10:22 conditions for the new pipeline to the West Coast. The province estimates the new pricing will save
00:10:26 the industry $250 billion by 2050. And it's like, well, okay, well, we're just pushing back the date
00:10:34 to get to the $140 per ton. We shouldn't be increasing taxes at all. We had previously
00:10:41 frozen it because that was the smart thing to do. In fact, if I was in charge, I would be slashing
00:10:48 the industrial carbon tax, if not eliminating it entirely. So what Daniel Smith is kind of putting
00:10:56 industry on the hook for right now is no actual pipeline approval, but we are going to have the
00:11:02 industrial carbon tax start ticking up from $95 a ton towards that $140 a ton by 2040 with no
00:11:11 actual guarantee it's going to lead to a pipeline. So we may end up losing industry, a bunch of
00:11:17 revenue that's going to go to the government without actually anything on the table, anything
00:11:24 tangible, tangibly gotten. But now I just want to quickly move on to one last thing I want to cover.
00:11:31 And that is, of course, the media reaction to it, talking about how it's going to be very difficult for conservatives to criticize what has gone on here.
00:11:40 Because apparently, if we say that we've, you know, if we say we're pro-pipeline and we sign documents that don't actually result in a pipeline, this means you are now beyond criticism.
00:11:50 Here is a supposed conservative on the panel, Fred Delory, talking about this.
00:11:55 The Conservatives say essentially nothing's changed here, which is, I don't know if that makes life difficult for Daniel Smith in Alberta, because if there's a proponent by Canada today, clearly something's changed.
00:12:07 Look, it's very, very hard to be a Conservative messaging on this right now.
00:12:11 It's like, Mark Carney, the day he's elected, should have grabbed a shovel and started digging that pipeline.
00:12:15 Why didn't he get it done then?
00:12:16 So it's very challenging.
00:12:18 On this are all things.
00:12:19 For all things.
00:12:19 except fred that germany as pure polyev has been highlighting was able to build a new port terminal
00:12:28 for lng in 100 days from approval to construction you can build things fast if you want mark carney
00:12:36 keeps acting like his hands are tied and he has to negotiate with everybody and their dog before
00:12:42 he can actually get the pipeline approved and we can start even considering building it he's the
00:12:49 prime minister with a majority not gotten the proper way but he does have a majority he could
00:12:55 hammer this thing through in an afternoon if he wanted and he chooses not to dragging it out and
00:13:02 i cannot stand all the people online trying to say well conservatives are just whining about this you
00:13:06 know mark carney has won this round and conservatives just need to accept it so we're gonna give him
00:13:12 applause for his intention to maybe someday do something i'm sorry if he eventually builds it
00:13:18 we'll all applaud him at that point you don't applaud the guy a year and a half before we
00:13:24 even get to the maybe we'll build something portion of the plan but here's fred delori
00:13:30 talking more should have been every province digging something it's it's uh it's it's tough
00:13:36 when you have a liberal prime minister acting like a conservative trying to build for both parties
00:13:42 it is well it seems to be uh look liberals seem to just suck it up and go with it whether you know
00:13:48 you go left right they're just happy to be in power um but ideologically you know look he's
00:13:52 getting things done if this happens a lot of albertan conservatives this is what they've
00:13:57 been asking for this is what they wanted uh so this is yeah politically it is uh it's one of
00:14:02 those things where i think polyev is probably best he could have just taken today off he didn't
00:14:06 right way into this well how would we know if he did no and here's the my goodness you can really
00:14:13 tell that there is currently a red Tory push against Pierre Polyev. I want to cover this in
00:14:18 a future video. There are a bunch of what I would consider consulting firm, strategy firm pawns
00:14:25 coming out to now try and undermine Pierre Polyev. Basically say, oh, he's lost his touch. Oh, he
00:14:32 can't beat Mark Kari. Just kind of trying to astroturf this narrative into the open, probably
00:14:37 because they're working for people who are wanting to run for office like Jason Kenney, like Mark
00:14:42 Mulroney like a bunch of other people who what's their plan to beat Mark Carney because all these
00:14:47 people who are criticizing Polyev keep giving artificial praise to Mark Carney sorry what is
00:14:52 one of their leaders going to become one of their candidates become going to become the leader of
00:14:57 the conservative party and win by giving Mark Carney rapturous applause for doing nothing right
00:15:03 now it's like if you asked me to go pick you up your food to go pick you up something to eat and
00:15:09 I said, I came home empty handed saying, I have signed a commitment to go get you food in two
00:15:15 weeks. Well, Wyatt, I want food now. Well, you don't understand. I signed a piece of paper that
00:15:23 says we're going to explore the idea of going and getting you some food. We haven't gotten any food
00:15:29 yet. I'm sorry, but that's just, if you haven't done it, you haven't done it. And if he actually
00:15:34 signed something within his first 100 days to build a pipeline it would actually be quite along
00:15:41 by now yeah it takes years to build a pipeline through canada's you know in like fairly harsh
00:15:48 environment at times it would be kind of like you know heavily underway by now we would be probably
00:15:55 within months maybe a year of getting the full thing connected if we just got regulations and
00:16:02 taxes out of the way you'd have a proponent celebrating this right now but we still don't
00:16:07 and i'm not i'm not saying like oh there's no proponent so the pipeline so don't bother building
00:16:11 a pipeline i'm saying we can't get a proponent when we keep raising taxes not getting rid of
00:16:17 any of the bad regulations and just simply kind of making vague commitments that we might build
00:16:22 something but here's now greg mckecker and reacting to all of it i'm not sure if fred
00:16:26 was being facetious or not about pier polia but he is a an alberta mp who did not and he's the
00:16:31 leader of the of her federal party and he didn't seem to play any factor in this did he not say
00:16:37 this week that he wanted a pipeline done with a much more rapid timetable than approve within a
00:16:43 hundred days of receiving the application you know and and so you know when you see the announcement
00:16:47 today between the premier and the prime minister um it it really does feel that he's not in the
00:16:54 loop he doesn't seem to know what's going on and and again if you know Albertans are unhappy
00:16:59 with you know how things are playing for them in Ottawa you know they have a ton of MPs from
00:17:05 Alberta that you never ever see there I think they're very happy they know that if they win
00:17:10 they're probably not going into cabinet they're very happy to do what they do but they are absent
00:17:16 from this and I'm circling back because I think it's important when I saw that headline about
00:17:20 Jason Kenney he said where's the Federalist voice I thought who is he talking about and he was
00:17:26 talking about the federal conservative MP. Where's the federalist voice in terms of like
00:17:32 Alberta independence? It pulls at 27, 30%. I'm not trying to naysay the independence movement.
00:17:41 I'm not pro-independence, but I'm also not like anti. I'm not like some naysayer. I'm not someone
00:17:47 saying, oh no, you're all traitors. I absolutely understand the arguments. I have my own arguments
00:17:52 for why I wouldn't necessarily vote for it.
00:17:55 Maybe I would even just vote for it
00:17:56 just to show I'm not trying to hold you back.
00:17:58 I'd vote for it.
00:17:59 I encourage you, if you want to vote for it,
00:18:01 definitely go out there, campaign, and vote for it.
00:18:03 It's not going to actually win.
00:18:06 And we're somehow turning this into
00:18:07 Pierre Polyev bad
00:18:08 because he has not been pro-federalist enough
00:18:11 when there's no need to.
00:18:13 I'm sorry, there is not a need to in Alberta
00:18:16 for Pierre Polyev to waste his time
00:18:19 talking about why he opposes Alberta independence.
00:18:23 It's a waste of time.
00:18:24 But what the media always wants to do
00:18:26 is one, they somehow turn the pipeline announcement story
00:18:29 into just trashing Pierre Paliyev and the conservatives.
00:18:32 And then we also went into giving them advice
00:18:36 to get off Mark Carney's back.
00:18:38 That is what, if the conservative party listens
00:18:41 to the media and goes soft on this
00:18:43 because, oh, they said I shouldn't criticize.
00:18:46 They said it looks bad for me to criticize this.
00:18:49 don't criticize it. It's a non-plan. The media will always give you the worst possible advice
00:18:55 because if you're a federal conservative, they want you to lose. Pierre Polyev has actually been,
00:19:01 frankly, he's been taking my whiteboard ideas and he's been doing now videos on a chart with
00:19:10 markers and whatnot. I don't think he actually stole it from me. But it's great to see him
00:19:15 actually kind of getting analytical with the failures of the Liberal Party. I think he just
00:19:20 needs to be extremely critical, but very sharply analytical in how he is critical. And that is
00:19:27 what is going to help him basically undermine the myth of Mark Carney as like the conservative
00:19:32 liberal. I don't think I can find this clip offhand right now. But Jonathan Wilkinson is a
00:19:41 Liberal MP from North Vancouver, Capilano. And on his way out, he was saying, yeah, I probably can't
00:19:49 find it right now. We covered it on the show previously. He was doing kind of like an exit
00:19:53 interview on the CBC, and they were asking him about the possibility of a pipeline being built.
00:19:59 Do you think Mark Carney is going to pursue a pipeline? Jonathan Wilkinson, a very green
00:20:04 Liberal, said, no, I think he'll do the right thing, and he's not going to hammer a pipeline through
00:20:09 in more words than that, but I'm paraphrasing. Have we seen Stephen Gilbeau, the guy who climbed
00:20:15 the CN Tower to protest oil and gas, saying that he doesn't like this plan? No. He's saying that
00:20:22 because he knows there's no pipeline coming from it. You would already have all the green activists 1.00
00:20:27 in the Liberal Party screaming bloody murder if this was actually going to result in a pipeline.
00:20:32 They're all oddly quiet because they don't actually think it's going to happen. It'd be like
00:20:37 It would be like if somebody who was against cutting spending in government was part of a government that announced it's going to do a bunch of spending reform, and this person didn't protest it at all.
00:20:50 They're part of the government. They are very anti-cutting any spending, but they didn't mention. They didn't actually say that they disagree with it. It's almost like they know whatever's going to happen is going to not be that impactful.
00:21:01 Anyways, with all that being said, thank you guys for watching this video.
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