The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Exposing a CBC Entrapment Scheme (ft. Frances Widdowson)

00:00:00 Hello, everyone. Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph.

00:00:06 We are currently doing a live show, which I have not done for several months, partially because I'm lazy,

00:00:13 but you can thank my guests today for making me come out of retirement in streaming and doing one today

00:00:19 on a very massive story that I think could do serious damage to the CBC and APTN for some reason

00:00:27 that they thought what they did here was going to, I don't know, get them accolades.

00:00:31 It was going to be like a big anti-woke expose or a big woke expose on the anti-woke crowd.

00:00:39 I'm not sure what they're doing, but to attempt to explain it is my guest today, Dr. Francis

00:00:45 Widdowson, who was the, I guess, victim, but also victor in the CBC's entrapment scandal.

00:00:54 How are you doing, Francis?

00:00:55 I'm doing very well.

00:00:56 Thanks for having me on.

00:00:57 Yeah, so there was this, I don't know what they're attempting to do, I guess, Borat style, humiliation type, like project that the CBC, APTN and an affiliated production company was working on using fake aliases and fake company names in order to go after people, I guess, who, let's just be, you know, straight,

00:01:26 who say correct things about the reconciliation industry, who say correct things. Usually,

00:01:33 you know, you go after people because they're like, you know, some powerful individual spreading

00:01:38 misinformation. But I guess, you know, in the year 2026, we go after people who do not have

00:01:44 institutional power who are saying things that are correct. So what was your experience like

00:01:49 with this whole Forge Media,

00:01:52 What's Up Canada thing.

00:01:55 I'm still having a hard time believing it.

00:01:58 It's so bizarre

00:01:59 and has so many different tentacles to it.

00:02:04 But my own experience was,

00:02:08 I received an email,

00:02:09 I think in March 23rd

00:02:12 from a person by the name of Pam Gibson,

00:02:15 who we have now found out is Molly Gore,

00:02:17 who is an activist from the United States

00:02:19 and works with uh igor vamos from the yes men so they're connected in some way and she told me all

00:02:27 the right things that things that i were interested in said that you know she was they were all very

00:02:33 impressed with you know how i would speak my mind on these topics etc so i was already thinking

00:02:42 that you know this this is good they want to talk to me about things that all these things

00:02:46 that i'm interested in so they arranged i didn't have any kind of elaborate stuff like lindsey

00:02:50 shepherd have but had but they just arranged all the travel arrangements and then they flew me to

00:02:55 vancouver and i stayed in a hotel for the night and i showed up uh oh no so they they had a driver

00:03:05 drive me to this studio i didn't even know where i was going i was just driven somewhere in

00:03:10 vancouver i was brought into this this studio and met by uh that guy that you see on the screen his

00:03:18 name is uh igor vamos he's a i didn't know who he was he's he called himself mike smith at this

00:03:24 proceedings but he's from the s-men and uh what's her name amy mercer who is from the uk

00:03:32 had a british accent is involved in some kind of these sorts of things too so we still haven't

00:03:38 figured out the uk connection because there is some of that anyway they told me there's a johnny

00:03:43 mcdonald uh actor who's going to be joining me and it was to give the kind of theatrical

00:03:49 kind of side of things so to talk to him about his experiences playing johnny mcdonald in various

00:03:55 theatrical things well i thought that was a bit odd because i didn't really had never seen that

00:03:59 before but i thought hey they can get a artistic side and the and the academic side yeah like the

00:04:05 the whole idea of oh well what does it feel like to play a character that everybody hates you're

00:04:10 in this you know stage production out there and people think it's you know it's wrong for you to

00:04:14 do this and you're probably assuming it's it's from like the idea that i'm a serious actor it's

00:04:19 it's like when the guy there was a lot of interviews around the swiss actor who ended up

00:04:23 playing hitler and downfall and what does that feel like and you know i guess maybe that was

00:04:28 the angle they were going for in your mind when you just heard about the idea yeah that's what i

00:04:33 thought uh i thought it was a bit odd but hey whatever and then we went in and there was this 0.69

00:04:40 woman with a blonde wig who was really kind of tarted up as they say she she had like serious 0.99

00:04:47 makeup on and i she looked weird and i was thought that's an odd interviewer for a you know a docu 0.99

00:04:55 series this is supposed to be like a historical stuff and i thought okay well this is odd and she

00:05:02 the questions she was asking me were not they were very softball questions they weren't

00:05:08 informed questions mostly about free speech um vamos intervened at one point to get me to talk

00:05:17 about the aboriginal industry so they were interested in having me talk about the aboriginal

00:05:22 industry and around i think it was about half an hour it might have been as much as an hour

00:05:27 uh oh sorry one thing will happen before they they pretended to turn off the cameras and the

00:05:33 microphones at one stage saying that they had some technical difficulties and the interviewer

00:05:38 this woman her name uh she's an actress she's a comedian her name is dakota uh ray

00:05:46 hebert anyway i didn't know that she was the one wearing the the blonde wig who was calling

00:05:51 herself becky yes calling herself becky i don't i didn't remember her name to be honest but

00:05:56 in her video because of course the same uh people in the same costumes yeah yeah they're same same

00:06:04 stuff and then the interviewer becky kept on talking to me while the the supposed microphones

00:06:12 were off which i thought was odd because i kept on saying to myself why is why are they continuing

00:06:18 with the interview when it's not having sound on it but of course obviously what she wanted me to

00:06:23 do was to say you know those really racist things that I was going to say with the microphones off

00:06:30 that I wouldn't have said with them on um but of course I say I'm not I say the same things

00:06:35 regardless I'm not I'm not trying to hide anything anyway about at least half an hour in but maybe as 0.53

00:06:40 much as an hour two aboriginal men walked in they dumped a bag of children's shoes on the coffee

00:06:48 table in front of me and i was i was shocked about this i i thought what they were were

00:06:56 were guests who were coming in to be interviewed after me who had caught wind of me being there

00:07:02 and were sabotaging the interview but then i i realized that becky was looking at me with this

00:07:11 intense hatred in her eyes and not saying anything so i knew she was in on the whole thing

00:07:18 I tried to talk to these two men. I was asking them, what is this about? Like, what are you doing? Like, why are you, what do you mean when you're putting these shoes on there? Is that, are you trying to make a comparison with the Holocaust and the memorials that we see where, you know, children who died, that was their shoes? Like, and these are obviously not children who, so is that an appropriate comparison to be making?

00:07:41 so i was trying to talk to them and they just were glaring at me and then uh and one of them

00:07:49 uh his name there's two and we know the names of them ryan moccasin is the man on the far right

00:07:54 and then gets crazy boy is the guy second from the left yeah next to the blonde wigged woman

00:08:01 yes next to her and amy mercer's in the middle next to vamos uh anyway uh they just kind of

00:08:10 glared at me and then crazy boy kept on yawning as if he was really bored with what i was saying

00:08:17 and then so i finally started to just ask the the members of the crew because there's a lot

00:08:23 the large crew those people they were all there that's the crew so there's tons of people there

00:08:28 so saying what is this about what is going on here and then amy mercer was going you're gonna

00:08:35 miss your flight we should we should step outside and i said i am not going anywhere until i find

00:08:41 out what this is all about and then i re i really wanted i didn't have my this is a big mistake i

00:08:46 made i didn't have my handheld recorder on me i don't know why i allow that to happen and i knew

00:08:54 that my phone was in my bag but my bag was in the other room so how am i going to get my bag with my

00:09:00 phone in it so i said excuse me i have some medications that are in my bag could you please

00:09:07 bring me my bag so i can take my medications so they go and they bring me my bag and as i got my

00:09:12 bag i whipped out my phone and started live streaming this interrogation of and before you

00:09:20 get into um what ended up happening when you started recording i just have to comment on the

00:09:25 fact that they took months and hundreds of thousands of dollars to trick you into doing a

00:09:33 interview where i guess they were going to dump a bunch of shoes in front of you have a john a

00:09:39 mcdonald impersonator say some racist things and you were just going to sit there and be confused

00:09:44 while trying to have a real discussion and you in about 10 seconds were able to grift them easier

00:09:50 by getting them to give you your bag so you could start filming them and destroy the entire thing

00:09:55 so these people who had thought about every single contingency hadn't thought hey maybe she doesn't 0.99

00:10:01 in the middle of this moment right now need medication maybe she's just going to get her 1.00

00:10:06 phone and start recording us and blow up our entire operation because this video ended up and 0.76

00:10:12 maybe i'll go and i'll bring up the video here but that this video uh and you can start describing

00:10:17 what ended up happening ended up kind of blowing up everything they were doing because now everyone

00:10:22 knows with verification not just stories that these people did in fact do this thing yeah yeah

00:10:29 thank goodness I've been able to do that because if I hadn't I don't know if any of this would have

00:10:34 ever seen the light of day like it it's it's a totally different situation when you watch that

00:10:39 which when you watch that live stream you can you can sort of see the seediness of it the

00:10:45 smarminess of it the kind of the horribleness of it like this guy is this

00:10:50 anyway so that's and he just kind of like acts extremely like aloof about everything oh and

00:11:02 you're like what did i just participate in asking him questions like that and he the most detail you

00:11:08 ever get he says he says oh it's a social experiment or oh well what do you think you

00:11:12 participated in or what do you why do you know how much it costs but the best thing which has been

00:11:19 pointed out to me is that I said it looks like what these people are doing is they're doing this

00:11:24 so that they can paint me as a racist and then put that on social media and Igor Vamo says

00:11:31 you got that yeah you got that right so he's admitted this is what they're going to be doing

00:11:40 is they're going to be painting me as a racist that that's what they're that's their whole thing

00:11:44 is what they're going to be doing so that was a incredible admission on his part uh the whole thing

00:11:51 is like the thing i noticed the most about this is i understand the prank genre

00:11:57 it has its place and it can be quite funny especially if you've got someone in power who 0.95

00:12:02 who's a hypocrite you're you're uh you're exposing their hypocrisy uh matt walsh's takedown of uh 0.98

00:12:09 uh gender activists and whatnot right white fragility yeah he gets her to take money out 1.00

00:12:17 of her purse and gives it to the black uh cameraman or something so that she can make 0.72

00:12:22 reparations like that difference there between what the cbc and the aboriginal people's television

00:12:30 network and the other aboriginal organization that was the production company behind this and

00:12:35 Igor Vamos from the Yes Men in America. They're specifically entrapping somebody to come to them

00:12:43 to participate in something completely fake. What Matt Walsh is doing is he's going to the people

00:12:49 that he's ranking. He is entering their studio. He is acting as a customer to engage in the product

00:12:56 or service that these people are selling. He is getting himself onto somebody's show and kind of

00:13:01 being silly and every single sign should have been there ahead of time he gave them all of

00:13:06 and that's the difference he let them have all the control still he was just going to come in 0.88

00:13:11 and ask some funny questions or get up on the tv show and make him make her give him money on

00:13:16 television it wasn't that he's getting one person a single individual when they're not in their

00:13:22 normal workspace to come out to someplace so he can set up an entire elaborate thing around them

00:13:28 to try and trick and humiliate them he's just going and seeing what this person would say to

00:13:32 any other customer you know some of these like dei or you know gender activists who like take

00:13:38 money to do consulting work and all this stuff and he's sitting down with them and saying well what

00:13:42 what do you say to this and that and then seeing them fall apart the difference with you is like

00:13:46 what what is how how are they punking you and your normal no i don't i still have figured this out

00:13:53 i've not figured this out what is the punch line here i don't understand like that they're gonna

00:13:58 pour these shoes on the table and i'm what are they expecting me to do about this i don't what's

00:14:05 funny it's not funny um i don't understand the joke that they're trying to get at and it's and

00:14:11 and as lindsey was saying in her because lindsey's done a video on a very very good video yeah i just

00:14:16 watched it last night uh that gives you a sense of the horror kind of stuff horrific things that

00:14:21 that were done they were entering her home and they were stringing her along paying her as an

00:14:26 employee for like you know product lines they were going to launch about john a mcdonald and it's

00:14:32 like you could get into you they're in the territory where they could be sued because

00:14:37 you have deliberately wasted somebody's time for months on end knowing this was never an actual

00:14:44 real job opportunity imagine just doing that to someone that you hate just giving them small bits

00:14:49 of money to keep them strung along not really a real salary but they're not looking for real work

00:14:53 because they think this might turn into real work and like four months later you basically just prove

00:14:58 that you were just trying to humiliate them the whole time plus and we've talked to lawyers

00:15:03 ourselves because they tried to do this to us at one bc and dallas brody as well now naturally

00:15:07 we're an entire team of people dallas actually used to work at the cbc briefly so she kind of

00:15:12 knows how they do things so we immediately had red flags for the way they were approaching us

00:15:17 and we get media requests all day long so we see a lot of media requests that are legitimate

00:15:21 contrasted to what forge media had sent us but like again what they were effectively like

00:15:30 borderline kidnapping somebody because we've had lawyers say it is still kidnapping if you say

00:15:36 your daughter's hurt you need to get into this car right now we need to drive you across town

00:15:40 because it just happened and then they just drop you off in the middle of nowhere and leave it's

00:15:44 like well they never hurt you i'm like well they had strung you along made you go to a different

00:15:49 city gotten into a car with a driver that was associated with their production to drive to a

00:15:54 building that you didn't know the location of right at the moment it happened and they could

00:15:59 have done anything yeah you know in hindsight it's kind of like i i could have just disappeared

00:16:07 and no one would have known what happened to me because i i didn't even know where i was going so

00:16:11 So I never told anyone where I was going to be or anything like that.

00:16:17 It was false pretenses.

00:16:18 So they took me there under false pretenses.

00:16:21 I was surrounded by a whole bunch of hostile people.

00:16:25 Right.

00:16:25 So I'm I'm kind of in a in a bit of a vulnerable position, you know, emotionally vulnerable.

00:16:32 But, you know, like I'm I, you know, if someone were not did not have my personality, you

00:16:40 i can see how this would have been quite alarming but because of my experience of being surrounded

00:16:46 by hostile forces quite often anyway um yeah so i the whole thing is is well i found just watching

00:16:53 lindsay's video like what happened to her is like my thing doesn't compare to that at all like like

00:17:01 her thing was just months of getting her to do a whole bunch of things that were not the case and

00:17:09 and i would say you know there's some significant damages that are involved with that situation

00:17:16 because her mindset was you know this could be something that i could build upon to develop

00:17:22 something more like she's got time off and she's thinking about her future she's spending time

00:17:28 doing that as opposed to doing other things because she thinks this is a good opportunity

00:17:32 and now it turns out it was all made up you know i i don't i think this is fraudulent

00:17:37 and a serious problem uh that was happening and based on just the fact that when they finally

00:17:46 did bring her to the same studio location that they brought you in to pull off effectively uh

00:17:52 almost the same like prank i guess she actually had to come not only uh with herself she had to

00:17:58 come bring her infant child as well as her sister to babysit her child which i doubt the production

00:18:04 company was paying for as well and so it's doubtful that even in participating in this even

00:18:09 made her any money and so they probably they probably actually do have financial damages not

00:18:15 just because oh yeah this is this is bad this is that that what happened was terrible like with

00:18:20 you know with me it was like i i find it kind of funny actually the whole thing i i'm still trying

00:18:25 to sit not not what happened to other people but you know just because of my personality

00:18:29 you know i can i can pretend to be you know seriously damaged and so on so maybe i can get

00:18:35 a million bucks out of the cbc or whatever um you know the funny thing is they chose you and

00:18:41 shepherd now we're gonna get to some of the other people that they actually had tried to humiliate

00:18:46 as well and in terms of like they'd gone and tried to get dallas brody to do it and aaron gun

00:18:51 you know that got filtered out one politicians have a lot of you know don't have that much time

00:18:55 on their hands so it's harder to entrap a politician but um it's funny that they chose

00:19:01 you and lindsey because you're both very stoic individuals and are not likely to have like a big

00:19:06 freak out blow up meltdown on camera like what do they think that you're gonna start like throwing

00:19:11 stuff i don't this is what i'm trying to figure out if it had all gone according to what they

00:19:17 wanted what what did they want i don't i think they pull up pour these shoes on what were these

00:19:23 shoes under the table. I have a big hissy fit about it or something. I storm out of the offices.

00:19:32 I don't exactly know. So the whole thing doesn't, although it's supposed to be a quote-unquote

00:19:37 prank, no one understands what the prank is supposed to be. And I really don't think so.

00:19:44 Lindsay mentioned this too. I believe it was dissimiliation that that's what they're trying

00:19:51 to do it's not funny it doesn't have a lightheartedness about it it's not like just for

00:19:55 laughs or anything like that it's just malicious and an attempt to punish people and uh have it's

00:20:06 basically vengeance it's revenge and vengeance so this is the kind of thing that they think

00:20:12 is going to assist reconciliation is having this kind of revenge fantasy that they're acting out

00:20:19 in this studio by getting some quote-unquote white woman to come and humiliate her and berate her 1.00

00:20:27 and glare at her and do all these things to make her feel like, you know, she's an odious person 1.00

00:20:33 or something like that. And it's a sign that you become a radical activist, not just an activist.

00:20:39 Hey, at times I'm an activist on things too. But when you've kind of gone to the dark side of being

00:20:44 an activist is that you can't even be funny when you're trying to be funny everything is severe all

00:20:50 the time everything is not about trying to make an ironic point and maybe make somebody laugh

00:20:55 it's first and foremost to destroying people who don't agree with you yeah and this was funded by

00:21:01 by the tax dollars this was from lindsey shepherd because she did poking around and obviously

00:21:08 if the cbc's asked if they're associated with this and if it's true they have to say yes

00:21:13 because, you know, it would be, you know, freedom of information requested and they'd be caught in a lie.

00:21:18 Well, yeah, yeah, we'll have to tell them.

00:21:20 A Wolfgang woman had gotten back to Lindsay Shepard when she had asked if this was a production that they were involved with.

00:21:28 And she says, hi, Lindsay, we can confirm that this project is in early production for CBC Entertainment and APTN.

00:21:35 No details pertaining to exhibition are confirmed at this time.

00:21:39 Please contact the independent producers with any further questions.

00:21:42 and who what was the independent production company again because you maybe remember the name

00:21:48 it is uh nlt1 productions out of saskatoon and it's uh the director is ryan moccasin who was

00:21:57 one of the aboriginal actors who was glaring at me after he poured the shoes on the table

00:22:04 um but there's a a group of them we have this application it's some kind of indigenous screen

00:22:11 office i think that's the name of it has has diverted 6.3 million dollars to a whole bunch

00:22:16 of these productions someone has done a deep dive into those productions and found that

00:22:21 they haven't produced anything uh in the last year so now this might not see the light of day

00:22:27 either because france has pulled her phone out on them and now the whole game was kind of exposed

00:22:32 yeah it's gonna be a hard sell to well everyone's gonna be i hope i hope they do uh personally i i

00:22:40 the rcmp retired office or he probably doesn't want that to happen but i i'd love to see what

00:22:46 they come up with out of all of this um you know unfortunately i'm really kicking myself because i

00:22:53 didn't have my recorder so i'm not going to be able to say okay that was completely out of context

00:22:58 what they did there this wasn't me this is an ai voice whatever they're planning on doing is gonna

00:23:03 but the cbc has all the coverage they have all the footage of these things so

00:23:13 and because it's taxpayer money there actually might be a way of demanding all raw footage from

00:23:18 it because you could say that anything associated with myself and any other anyone else could say

00:23:24 legally because you spent taxpayer money on this this is public and it's associated with myself

00:23:30 i demand all the raw footage uh and you know i know i know we keep saying this i have no clue

00:23:36 how this docuseries is even going to come together and be viewable at all like i don't know what

00:23:41 you're what what's it going to be like it's a doc if anything it could make a fantastic

00:23:46 uh counter docuseries now once all the footage comes out and yeah we could do a documentary on

00:23:53 this cvc could hire me i'm doing documentaries right now to do a documentary on this whole

00:24:01 fiasco that they've been involved in like that would be fantastic because it's really now a huge

00:24:08 it's just and then there's a lot more as i'll get into shortly um but just finishing off on my

00:24:14 whatever happened in my situation so i started i put on my smartphone i'm i'm uh they and then

00:24:20 they all get up so johnny mcdonald who's sitting next to me and a bear who's the interviewer with

00:24:28 the wig and the two aboriginal guys they both they all get up and they walk out when i started to 0.84

00:24:33 to and if i've been thinking i would have i would have nailed them all and gone around and got 0.96

00:24:39 footage of them each of them but i i was too busy dealing with igor here anyway so i'm i'm

00:24:47 interrogating him and i'm asking him what all this is he's being very evasive he's not really

00:24:51 answering these questions and uh he's telling me that i should know what's you know what this is

00:24:58 about and how much it's going to cost because i'm quote-unquote participating in this uh social

00:25:05 experiment they turn up eventually turn off the lights in the studio you look like marlon brando

00:25:11 there in apocalypse now when you think about it anyway we we go out i do a bit more live streaming

00:25:18 of the the lounge area and then i go outside i do some i do a little bit of filming of the camera

00:25:25 crew that follows me outside i should have spent more time there i should have hung hung back and

00:25:31 but i wasn't sure how much time i had for my flight and uh but i should have milked it for

00:25:37 as much as i could it would have been really funny if they had to then call the police to make you

00:25:41 leave there i was thinking of it like because this is my one of my signature moves here is

00:25:49 you gotta and then we would have seen what they're gonna do i i that that would have been better but

00:25:54 anyway i was i was already pretty discombobulated and uh so then i got in the car and got taken back

00:26:04 to the airport and i was talking to the driver saying are you in on it are you in on this

00:26:08 what's going on and he said he wasn't but it's it's it's 50 50 whether the driver cameron mcleod

00:26:17 was uh in on this thing or not probably was just although he acted like he had no clue what i was

00:26:23 talking about who knows i the whole thing is just unbelievable and then i i'm i though they paid me

00:26:31 in cash that's the other kind of odd thing is they paid me a thousand dollars in cash which

00:26:37 i've never been paid in cash before for these things so i i have a b i have a b in the studio

00:26:45 that's crawling on me i'll figure we'll we'll figure that out later okay okay i'm gonna be

00:26:50 very careful that doesn't get pissed at me it's now crawling up my neck okay so we'll go solo

00:26:55 on you while you figure this out um yeah so that was really very strange um and then i had no i

00:27:03 thought it was me i thought i was the only one involved i kept on thinking wow they've done all

00:27:09 this for me that was gonna my my sort of believe about it um and so i and that's why i asked him

00:27:15 am i the target and so i did this live stream when i was in the airport and i was having a drink

00:27:20 doing i was just totally wired saying wow this is incredible i can't believe this happened

00:27:26 and then lindsey when she was doing some research on all her stuff she found my live stream

00:27:32 and so she i hadn't yet got the the um uh what's his name uh igor vamos uh i hadn't yet got that

00:27:41 because uh i i there's something that went wrong with the live stream and uh i had to get my

00:27:49 videographer daniel pages in uh in manitoba to rescue it unfortunately he was able to rescue it

00:27:56 because if i wasn't able to find it then i would have we would have problems with trying to

00:28:01 identify some of these people but lindsay did amazing amounts of research on she did uh reverse

00:28:10 image recognition through ai so she found out a lot of stuff yeah she was the one who found out

00:28:16 all their names because apparently the woman in the wig had been posting all these production

00:28:20 images on her instagram and in stories and whatnot and she's like saved all of it and it's funny as

00:28:25 soon as she mentioned that she had all this stuff it all went private yeah yeah yeah no so they're

00:28:30 they're running scared and they should be running scared because what they've done is an outrage

00:28:36 and we've only just begun to go after these people for this and you know this the whole thing and

00:28:44 And that's kind of one of the most disturbing things is the hatred, seeing the hatred that existed.

00:28:50 And, you know, this is not, you know, we're talking about reconciliation and creating a better future and creating a more cooperative environment.

00:28:58 You know, these resentments and anger are being stoked by the aboriginal industry, the lawyers who make money off of these disputes and all of these media companies and all these things.

00:29:10 it's all about getting people really angry about perceived injustices instead of trying to 0.87

00:29:17 to solve them so that media company is just an absolute joke uh nl nlt1 i think that's what's

00:29:27 name of it yeah and these these comedians are not funny at all you know they're what you know

00:29:33 who have absolutely no talent this show uh like the cbc because people a lot of people are saying

00:29:43 defund the cbc and and i i think that public broadcasting plays an important role in societies

00:29:48 and and cbc does have a a long uh illustrious career of doing very good work in the news side

00:29:58 not this nonsensical entertainment stuff because the entertainment stuff is just lame

00:30:04 completely my favorite my favorite version of some operas was done by the cbc in the 80s but

00:30:11 it's been a while yeah have you ever tried to sit down and watch that north of north show or

00:30:16 whatever the funniest one is the um as when i brought up another context is the uh the great

00:30:25 canadian baking show so they this is what they always do and this is what they've done with the

00:30:29 yes man is they they're having the yes man which i've never watched the s man i don't know what

00:30:33 they're like but i've heard they're top tier prankers yet they've got this lame quote-unquote 0.99

00:30:40 prank show because it's it's got this idiotic aboriginal thing where they're just acting out 0.99

00:30:46 their revenge fantasies which are not funny um but you have the great british baking show which 1.00

00:30:54 is a very charming show done in the uk which has all sorts of great things and i i loved watching

00:31:00 it and what is what does the cbc do they have the exact same thing except they make it the great

00:31:06 canadian baking show and it doesn't have any of the charm it's just horrible so it's like a lame

00:31:12 same thing but just terrible and this is the kind of thing that's going to be going on well that's

00:31:17 why you know the old show and this is honestly i think you could you people would probably you

00:31:22 probably couldn't do it for copyright reasons although maybe you could just do it on patreon

00:31:26 if people like pay five bucks they can watch it i i think it would be funny if you were forced to

00:31:31 watch the north of north show basically imagine if a really lame version of corner gas if it was 0.68

00:31:38 filmed in none of that and all the people were woke indigenous people i'm not even kidding it

00:31:44 is so woke even a non there are some white people in the show and of course there are 0.98

00:31:48 stupid and villains or something like that there's like not really or you know up to something but 0.99

00:31:53 even another character because of course everything has to be indigenous one of the guys is like a guy 0.99

00:31:59 who's like maori who's living in the middle of nowhere none of us on an island and it's like oh 0.95

00:32:05 my goodness the show couldn't get any more woke like that we now need like a disabled black woman 0.99

00:32:10 to be on the show to really round out this thing and they all talk like metropolitan toronto people 1.00

00:32:15 And by the way, the only person with like an accent that you would have if you like lived in like an Inuit community is supposed to be a stupid religious person. 0.99

00:32:25 Because, of course, because, of course, let's make her the one with the heavy, thick accent. 1.00

00:32:30 Yeah. Yeah. And that's, you know, you actually could have a very interesting show if you were to do it like it was reality.

00:32:38 It would be kind of horrifying, but it would actually have some interesting characteristics.

00:32:43 But it's all phony, right? 1.00

00:32:45 like like like you know understanding aboriginal communities is you're not going to have a bunch 0.99

00:32:50 of people who are like they're sipping around having their lattes and stuff like that or whatever

00:32:55 kind of nonsense they're going to be yeah but they genuinely try and do stuff like that and

00:33:00 actually i think somebody who ends up doing some of the soundtrack is that obnoxious throat singing

00:33:04 woman who is screaming at you in dallas at at victoria or whatever when did that nally frittato

00:33:12 send off or whatever you got it you got to feel so bad for nally for the cringe the cringe of the 1.00

00:33:18 cringe and such an arrogant person too like that's the thing is that these aboriginal neo-tribal 1.00

00:33:25 elites because they're coddled and pandered to all the time they have no sense of their own self you 1.00

00:33:33 know where they fit in with anything if you were not just being funded by the cbc no one would ever

00:33:39 give you the time of day if these people like yeah like and they have the personalities of rich

00:33:46 entitled kids who have never actually accomplished anything because effectively they are they're

00:33:51 the everything that they want they get funded everyone pretends they're amazing they're a bunch

00:33:56 of rich kids effectively and like and the thing is like uh this is a point that the comedian ben

00:34:02 bankus makes uh where he talks about how all of the comedians who do just for laughs and who do

00:34:09 a lot of like the cbc approved television shows hate him because they don't like that he's actually

00:34:14 funny and they're not and i think there's a tim dylan line about how everyone always like oh i'm

00:34:20 too good at my job to make money and that's all these people they're just too good at their jobs

00:34:24 to actually you know be effective and so all these people like that woman wearing the the the blonde

00:34:29 wig who's apparently a comedian it's like lady you are on a cbc production where you were not even

00:34:36 deemed funny enough to be a writer on it you are literally an actor that is all you've done

00:34:44 yeah she's something else she's a piece of work that one the hatred you know but i was i was i

00:34:49 stared her down for at least a minute because i you know because i do this if people are staring at me

00:34:57 i just stare back at them and then i won't i won't break my gaze i'll just continue staring at them

00:35:02 and see who's going to break gays first and it won't it's not going to be me so anyway i stared

00:35:07 into her eyes for quite a long time yeah that's any she's just hurt she's not funny at all i've

00:35:14 watched her stuff was just oh um yeah so so that was pretty much my thing which which is really not

00:35:21 you know it was kind of it was it was like i don't like being set up obviously it it results

00:35:28 and you and I don't want to operate in the world worrying about whether I'm going to get set up I

00:35:35 know I'm probably gonna have to do that now but you know someone wants to talk to me I'm happy to

00:35:40 talk to them I'm not trying to do anything or anything so now I'm gonna have to be cautious

00:35:45 about you know people approaching me about things so it's kind of annoying that that's sort of what's

00:35:49 what's happening um but yeah but there's there's some really really even more uh Lindsay's was

00:35:56 really bad that's probably the the worst that's public but there's a story that is

00:36:04 not public yet well it's public because i've talked to the rcmp retired rcmp officer who got

00:36:10 set up yeah maybe don't mention names but can you go into that at all because i think you have

00:36:16 described what they did to them not that we talked to him several times three times i think i've

00:36:21 talked to him three times just to get all the details now this is his account so uh you know

00:36:26 we have to be a bit cautious i guess he seems like a completely open book of a person and the story

00:36:31 he tells is so crazy that i don't think he could have made it up because yeah what they did to you

00:36:38 and lindsay on steroids like full studio audience everything so he's a retired rcmp officer he's

00:36:46 minding his own business and he gets approached by uh some kind of company which says uh he's uh

00:36:57 it's it's bbc they claim to be from bbc and that's mercer is is maybe associated i don't

00:37:04 know if this is true this could just be made up and the cbc i think cbc and the and bbc

00:37:10 or maybe it was just bbc anyway they they say they're doing a program it's going to involve

00:37:16 not just rcmp retired officers in canada it's going to be rcmp retired officers in various areas

00:37:22 of the world and they're going to just see how they're doing after they've retired that that

00:37:28 was the premise oh so they yeah so that's not even anywhere close to where they went with it

00:37:34 no so they come over to his house and uh interview him and his house and uh he's he's not liking it's

00:37:48 a bit more of his like lindsey was saying her interview was very softball this seemed to have

00:37:54 like got him to say things which he he wasn't entirely comfortable with saying so he actually

00:37:59 wanted to redo that interview at some point which they said they would think about doing but they

00:38:04 never actually did that they took him to they they paid him to come to Vancouver for three days so

00:38:12 this was a three-day thing wow and there was supposed to be a rehearsal on I think it was

00:38:19 the night of March so it's March 25th and March 26th this was when this took place

00:38:24 at the CBC studio in Vancouver.

00:38:28 So this was pure CBC here.

00:38:32 And the 25th, he was supposed to go for a rehearsal

00:38:36 with two other RCMP officers.

00:38:39 They delayed it and delayed it

00:38:41 and then eventually canceled that.

00:38:44 But he says that another RCMP officer

00:38:46 who he's talked to did go on the 25th.

00:38:49 So there seems to have been something

00:38:51 that happened on the 25th.

00:38:52 We don't know what went on there.

00:38:56 And then on the 26th, the driver, Cam, picked up this guy and two other RCMP, retired RCMP officers.

00:39:07 So they're all in this car together.

00:39:11 They're driven into the basement of the CBC studio in Vancouver.

00:39:17 There's all sorts of people there.

00:39:19 there's the crew comes out and it's taking pictures of them getting out of the the car and

00:39:24 they're brought up to a some kind of green room type of thing and uh then they go into the makeup

00:39:32 area and and the two of the rcmp officers have makeup put on them and this guy didn't want to

00:39:37 have that done and they're they're talking like so they're all being filmed all this time there's

00:39:44 this conversation going on that's being filmed just casual stuff and then they say they're gonna

00:39:50 there's gonna be a special announcement it's gonna be they're gonna go and witness the special

00:39:54 announcement and they're they're under the impression that they're they're uh gonna be

00:39:59 in an interview of some kind and then they said you know prince william is gonna be here

00:40:04 and so everyone's like all excited and are they oh you know prince william so anyway so they're

00:40:17 they don't they're under the pressure it's going to be some kind of interview thing whatever

00:40:20 they're taken out and they're brought into this big studio and they're put on a stage in front

00:40:26 of what is supposed to be a live studio audience the bright lights all the thing and this guy says

00:40:34 he thinks that there were he's not sure now after i questioned him on it a lot because there's all

00:40:39 the bright lights and so you couldn't see very well he said he thought there was about 80 people

00:40:44 in the studio audience but he's not exactly sure now anyway so they're all like deer in the

00:40:49 headlights what's going on oh so they get sat down and they're kind of trapped because

00:40:55 they they don't this wasn't what they were expecting but they they they're kind of now

00:41:00 sitting down on a stage with a whole studio audience watching them as to what they're going

00:41:07 to be doing and so they think it's obviously i don't know who those people were that were in

00:41:12 this quote-unquote audience so they have two aboriginal guys dressed up in aboriginal regalia

00:41:19 i don't and and i assume it's it's gets uh crazy boy and um ryan moccasin but i don't know but

00:41:28 anyway and they're there castigating the rcmp just like saying the rcmp is terrible they've

00:41:34 done all these terrible things on and on and the rcmp officers or the retired guys are all

00:41:41 and and sitting there going oh they but what they do like they're here they're on the stage they

00:41:47 and then they have a tv screen that they can't see very well off to the side and it has king charles

00:41:54 giving us giving a speech on on the screen and they but they can't see it very well and it's

00:42:03 obviously ai generated from now just knowing what he said and he's talking about dissolving the rcmp

00:42:11 in the speech and the rc did he just say they're going to dissolve the rcmp is this this is what

00:42:18 he just said they're like what and so they're there and then they then there's a few other

00:42:23 things that happen and they say okay they're now they're going to bring prince william in right so

00:42:27 prince william gets brought in but it's not principal this is an actor but he doesn't look

00:42:32 at all like prince william the actor so so the rcmp retired guys are going you know what that's

00:42:42 not that's not prince william is it or like that's not what i remember prince william looking at so

00:42:46 everyone's like what and so then prince william is going to come and shake the hands of the rcmp

00:42:52 officers about the disillusion of the RCMP. That's what this setup is, to get them to

00:42:59 agree to it or whatever. And at this point, this retired RCMP, he becomes just totally outraged

00:43:05 at what's going on. He says, that's it. You know, I've had enough. I'm not, I'm not want to be

00:43:09 involved with this anymore. And he gets up and he leaves. The other two guys stay there. So we don't

00:43:14 know exactly what transpired. And he heard from them afterwards that they had actually shaken the

00:43:20 hands of prince quote-unquote prince william agreeing that somehow got trapped into agreeing

00:43:28 that it was a good idea to dissolve the rcmp and that's taking advantage just of just social

00:43:34 politeness that someone's forcing you into a scenario and you're surrounded by people and

00:43:40 let's be clear this is probably not a real studio audience because how could you get an actual just

00:43:44 random studio on it's probably cbc employees that's why this one was filmed at the cbc

00:43:49 instead of the off-site studio that you were at and it's like well you have all these people you

00:43:55 feel like you're in danger in a certain sense like from like your lizard brain you feel like

00:43:59 you're in danger and you should go along with what's happening in order to be polite and so

00:44:04 that you get out of it you don't know if you're going to look worse by getting up and running out

00:44:07 and someone going to do something and this is where again where is the humor in entrapping

00:44:12 somebody who the retired police officers this isn't like some corrupt politician that you got

00:44:18 on a show to give them a fake lifetime achievement award then you're going to confront them with a

00:44:23 bunch of crimes you committed it's it's officers who did their time by the way helped probably

00:44:29 protect many indigenous people throughout their time as officers and then you have these like 1.00

00:44:35 garbage human beings but because they happen to be indigenous that they're they're they're good 1.00

00:44:41 people they're the good people in this scenario not them because they're police officers even 1.00

00:44:45 though they've done 10 000 more to protect indigenous people than these like basically

00:44:51 cbc welfare queens have yeah and and then this guy so he's really pissed off the the other ones

00:44:59 are there they're still trapped but he's this guy's left so he's now kind of fuming and he's

00:45:04 being followed around by this all these cameras and they're just basically continuing to harass

00:45:09 him for quite some time after this all took place so um the whole thing is off the charts like i i

00:45:17 cannot believe that this has happened you know we know the dates of this which is march 25th and

00:45:24 march 26th so cbc we want to know we want to know what happened one who was involved who who who was

00:45:32 the one because it's that cbc studio it's not it was close to where the news anchors were and

00:45:39 everything it was it's just like in the they should pull up every single person who was even

00:45:44 playing a fake extra in the audience because every single one of them participated in what

00:45:49 they knew was going to be a humiliation ritual yeah against regular citizens yeah so you know

00:45:55 we have all the footage from that so let's take a look at what what went down on that day so

00:46:00 So this guy, he's trying to figure out what to do about it.

00:46:04 He's obviously very unhappy.

00:46:07 He's worried about it because, you know, he wasn't a guy who was used to these kinds of things.

00:46:13 Like, you know, in terms of, and maybe even, you know, Lindsay's had more of a career of having people confront her and stuff too, right?

00:46:21 So she's more used to it.

00:46:24 Not to say, like, I think it's horrible what happened to her.

00:46:26 um i'm obviously can take care of myself i'm not i'm gonna don't try to set me up anyone if you

00:46:35 want to set me up you're gonna get it like i'm gonna go after you um but that's no excuse uh

00:46:42 you know the fact that i can i'm used to this and don't get too flustered about it doesn't mean

00:46:48 that's okay to do these kinds of humiliation rituals even if they go terribly wrong but this

00:46:56 is really bad because you are involving people who don't they have no background in any of this

00:47:01 this is totally shocking to them um and uh yeah this is bad this is really bad what the cvc has

00:47:08 done i just want to pull up the email that we ended up getting at 1bc from forge media pam

00:47:14 gibson who we now know is the molly right is it what's the name molly gore molly gore so this is

00:47:22 the email that they sent to us and i'm just going to read it just because it gives you some good

00:47:26 flavor for how they end up presenting themselves yeah so they said here hello miss brody i'm a

00:47:32 producer developing a docuseries for the cbc that investigates how land law and democracy are

00:47:37 negotiated in canada going to air later this year we're looking at the impact of land decisions on

00:47:43 the erosion of public trust and civil life and we would love to feature your voice we value the way

00:47:48 you speak to, the issue honestly and practically, and at a time when there's so much public pushback

00:47:53 on the truth and a breakdown of democratic process, we think our perspective deserves

00:47:59 broader engagement. In the episode where we'd like to feature you, we're looking

00:48:05 specifically at how Indigenous land rights are being advanced in ways that sidestep 0.63

00:48:09 democratic accountability, eroding public trust, and undermining Kennedy's future as a functioning

00:48:14 democracy. We'd love to invite you to a short interview with one of our producers and a single

00:48:20 camera, a simple setup over an hour or two. Are you available in the next two weeks? Let me know

00:48:24 and I'll get some of the logistics and happy to share some questions ahead of time to help you

00:48:29 prepare. Now, I think what is key here is that they say in this one section, in the episode

00:48:37 where we'd like to feature you, we're looking specifically at how Indigenous land rights are

00:48:43 being advanced in ways that sidestep democratic accountability. Now, we know that that is an 0.92

00:48:48 absolute lie about what their actual angle is. In the previous paragraphs or the previous sentences,

00:48:54 you could say they're being a little evasive. They could be saying something but mean something

00:48:59 a little bit different than the way that you would interpret it. That's not up to someone's

00:49:04 interpretation. They are directly saying, well, you have a great perspective on how just signing

00:49:10 away land or these court cases are hurting democracy it's you know it's ceding land power

00:49:15 and money to a small uh group of and especially an even smaller group on band council but the

00:49:21 thing is like with you it's not just that well if you read between the lines you'd understand what

00:49:26 was happening no they will outright lie to you about what's going to happen yeah no it's very

00:49:33 deceptive you know it's kind of interesting i've had a lot of conversations with people about this

00:49:37 you know in terms of ethics of these things and you know is the pranking genre fundamentally

00:49:46 unethical uh you know and i think it these are open questions i think with people are in power

00:49:54 you know that's what happens when you're in power you you you have a different standard that is

00:50:00 applied because of your in fact you're wielding power over people and therefore it's part of

00:50:05 of accountability but you know again all these people that are involved they're not powerful

00:50:12 people you know these are these are not and and and the fact that they're the ones that are seen

00:50:17 as a target you know how about the cbc and executives let's get them uh let's do some

00:50:24 humiliation rituals on them you know that'd be a good one that'd be good show do that you know

00:50:31 how about uh you know what's his name vamos sorry sorry i had to put you on solo layout

00:50:39 there for a second i killed the bee finally there has been resolution to this problem

00:50:44 it tried to attack my foot okay we're good wow um yeah so i'm professional i know how to take

00:50:54 myself off camera when there's bees that need killing as people have been saying

00:50:58 was huge i was crawling on my face it's i'm good i don't have a phobia there oh my goodness but

00:51:07 my first live stream back isn't going very well in certain ways uh i need to bring up this story

00:51:16 now because you're putting a fine point on it why not go after some of the cbc executives who have

00:51:22 been wasting taxpayer money paying themselves out massive bonuses for sucking at their jobs

00:51:28 literally every year without fail. They literally, they estimate downwards how much audience capture

00:51:36 they're going to have in Canada because they know nobody really likes to watch them. There's other

00:51:40 media, I don't think that subsidies should be given to media for many of the things that they

00:51:44 are given to them for, but other media who gets far less taxpayer money has far more audience

00:51:50 capture because at least they somewhat try and serve up the stories properly. But here is a great

00:51:56 example of the sort of person that they thought was appropriate to go after. Not just you and

00:52:02 Lindsay, not just retired RCMP officers, an 82-year-old man involved in reenactments. This

00:52:10 was reported by Jonathan Kaye at Quillette, and he says, the CBC-funded quote-unquote prank didn't

00:52:16 just target pundits. In Quillette, I report on the effort to mock a humble 82-year-old

00:52:21 brothel granddad who enjoys 19th century historical reenactments producers repeatedly lied to him for

00:52:28 months then exploited his trust like that is going away from unethical to just evil

00:52:35 a two-year-old man who just wants to you know do his like 19th century reenactments really loves

00:52:43 history likes the community that's all involved in it and i assume the angle here i haven't written

00:52:48 read the full article is the idea that you're reenacting things that are from a racist era

00:52:53 and you shouldn't be celebrating this stuff it's like well what how what should we celebrate guys

00:52:59 because the only thing apparently we're allowed to celebrate is like indigenous history you know

00:53:04 not oftentimes not written down indigenous history and culture and that's kind of it pretty much you

00:53:11 know gender stuff and indigenous history is all you can do if you're an 82 year old man who likes

00:53:18 the era of the 1870s and wants to do a historical reenactment of you know the uh the what is it i

00:53:25 forget what the war's name is but you know the metis versus the uh uh the canadian government 0.97

00:53:30 battle out in saskatchewan well you know screw you you're actually racist yeah and they're they're 0.51

00:53:37 they're sort of assuming almost that you know johnny mcdonald is like hitler so if you have 0.95

00:53:43 johnny mcdonald agreeing with things that you say you know it's like you're this is hitler agreeing

00:53:49 with you and you're kind of hitler because you're associated with a hitler like all these kinds of

00:53:54 things which is not helping us to better understand you know johnny mcdonald i'm sure mistakes were

00:54:02 made historically a lot of it has to be placed in the context because things were a lot harder to

00:54:08 move around like logistics in those days was very difficult so trying to provide supplies to anyone

00:54:15 would have been a major kind of you know production and so on so so that's the kind of thing that has

00:54:20 to happen and in fact jerry americ who who i've been talking to quite a bit this week too because

00:54:26 he was the third person at that studio franklin studio that day you know he's just written a book

00:54:32 um called sleepwalking which is about historical figures and trying to correct the record to have

00:54:38 facts to talk about facts and you know because of the unpopularity of having certain truths be told

00:54:46 about these historical figures he couldn't get a publisher to publish his book and to get it done

00:54:51 self-publishing so this is the powerful figure that they think they're taking down with their

00:54:57 incredible you know pranking and so on as you know some guy who is is just a very very kind

00:55:03 of scholarly personality who you know paid to have his you know got used the self-publishing

00:55:11 because he doesn't get any recognition by society you know wouldn't it be all these people who

00:55:16 constantly online will just say that people like yourself people like um other people who've

00:55:24 investigated things like the cam loops 215 what i would call these days a hoax like maybe it didn't

00:55:29 start as a hoax it becomes a hoax when you know that you probably aren't going to find anything

00:55:33 and you're finding reasons not to dig but people pushing on stuff like this who who is the who is

00:55:40 the publisher of your the grave error book i forgot his name flanagan champion and flanagan

00:55:46 so tom flanagan and chris champion were the editors yeah so but like it all these people

00:55:51 online will constantly say oh no uh francis is spreading misinformation and disinformation she's 0.99

00:55:57 so wrong oh like she can convince a bunch of bunch of idiots a bunch of racists online that she's 1.00

00:56:03 right i'm like then how about bring francis in and fact check her back check her face because 1.00

00:56:10 Like, I keep on asking, what is the misinformation that you're talking about? 0.96

00:56:16 And, you know, this woman, Emily Enns, she's a graduate student, a supposed graduate student with a journalism program.

00:56:23 She's not doing a story on how the 215 is a deception and it's like Canadians have been misled to extract all sorts of transfers and, you know, bring forward things like the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

00:56:38 she's concerned about the hurt and the harm that uh you know the people feel because the

00:56:44 leadership of the Kamloops Indian Band is being castigated for the fact that they have taken all

00:56:50 this money and that they are not excavating on that site and I kept on asking her what is the

00:56:56 misinformation that you're talking about and she says well they would say that it would be the

00:57:01 deception that you're saying is a deception I said well we have a whole bunch of evidence that

00:57:05 a deception you know like starting in the you know well i find activists tend to like to do

00:57:15 this they like to turn things into the emotional battle it's the personality of francis widowson

00:57:20 versus casimir chief casimir and and victims and it's like what sorry what is this and we've had

00:57:29 so many hoaxes uh perpetrated against dallas where i remember this one video that went up

00:57:35 trying to disprove dallas's claims about residential schools even though she doesn't

00:57:40 they oftentimes exaggerate what her actual point is and her point is like these are not abuse mills

00:57:46 i'm sorry this is not the holocaust you know there's no bodies at kamloops and i remember this

00:57:51 one video that was like posted all over facebook at one point and it seemed really exploitative

00:57:55 because there was this indigenous grandmother who seemed like she was in her 80s holding up a photo

00:58:01 of of dallas and i'm like i'm going to expose dallas brody because she's saying that we're

00:58:06 lying about uh about deaths at at places like kamloops and apparently she went to kamloops or

00:58:11 another residential school and it was and it was funny their own story the story contradicts the

00:58:16 story because she says well i was working at an infirmary in the school when i was 12 or something

00:58:23 like that and a girl was brought in and she was there and i heard she later died and many years

00:58:30 later someone said that she was hit by a two by four in the head multiple times i'm like i'm sorry

00:58:34 wouldn't you have probably figured that at the time that somebody was just brought in bleeding

00:58:41 or something like that and will look like they're in bad shape and don't you think that would have

00:58:45 been a story floating around at the time don't you think a lynch mob would have come together

00:58:50 to find the person who did that but it's always even when it's like oh this person's direct

00:58:55 testimony is always something vague happened and years later somebody told me a story about it it's

00:59:00 like i'm sorry it can't just be stories all the way down eventually you need primary documents

00:59:06 the remanded on x is doing a brilliant job of requesting all sorts of information showing

00:59:12 from the 1800s up until the 1960s there's community saying please give us more funding for the school

00:59:19 we like the school can we have another i'm sorry in the protest era of the 60s and 70s was there

00:59:25 nobody in the moment of opposing the vietnam war and free tibet and all this stuff who said hey

00:59:30 how about we go and protest the school down the street where everyone's getting killed now i mean

00:59:36 how about we do that abuse mill down the street it's almost like it wasn't what was going on

00:59:41 that doesn't mean that we don't care about people who've been victimized if anything it trivializes

00:59:47 anyone who was actually a victim of something terrible to say, your story's not good enough.

00:59:53 Your victimization is not powerful enough. We need to use your story to paint a picture of

00:59:59 like genocide and mass abuse. Your story is just too trivial for us. So we need this to become

01:00:05 a brick in a larger narrative. It's like, wow, what a horrible thing to actually kind of put

01:00:10 on somebody who has actually experienced terrible things that you have not been victimized hard

01:00:16 enough for us to care about you it needs to be part of a grand community narrative and we're all

01:00:20 now going to basically take ownership of your abuse yeah no when the Kamloops this is like

01:00:27 that's largely you know the residential school is a complicated area of history different times

01:00:33 different places etc depend on the people who work at the school and so on but the Kamloops one

01:00:39 is a particularly fascinating case first of all because of the claims about clandestine burials

01:00:45 the rest most of the other residential schools the burials that are being talked about are the

01:00:50 burials in in cemeteries that um used to have marked graves and now those grave markers have

01:00:56 deteriorated but with kamloops there's a cemetery across from saint joseph's church if you're going

01:01:03 to have people buried who come from the kamloops reserve they're going to be buried in that

01:01:07 cemetery and there's many many unmarked graves graves that were once marked but are now unmarked

01:01:13 because the markers have deteriorated.

01:01:15 But if you look at the history of the Kamloops school,

01:01:19 you see just like almost an exemplary school

01:01:23 with a swimming pool that was built for students

01:01:27 so they could have swimming lessons.

01:01:29 All these trips that were taken in terms of, you know.

01:01:34 They would go down to Mexico for dance competitions

01:01:37 and stuff like that.

01:01:38 Yeah, a reunion that was held in 1977

01:01:41 where everyone showed up and had food for two days

01:01:46 and were all sort of thanking all the staff

01:01:49 for the great things that they'd done.

01:01:51 The Eyes of Children, which is a 1962 documentary

01:01:55 done by whomever, who would it be?

01:01:58 The CBC did this documentary in 1962

01:02:01 showing three Aboriginal teachers that were on staff.

01:02:05 All these children, you know, looking very healthy, 1.00

01:02:09 happy going to shop classes to learn how to do skills you know it just does not add up and can't

01:02:18 the school as well if you go to and i've been to the kamloops residential school several times now

01:02:23 with a different experience every time um and it's very close to the city of kamloops it's just

01:02:32 across the bridge so if there were all these burials happening in the middle of the night

01:02:37 don't you think that they would have seen like lanterns and stuff like that moving around so

01:02:42 suspicious activity somebody because it wasn't a partially a day school it was half for people who

01:02:49 were you know orphans or and they lived there at the institution and then the kids who have gone

01:02:54 home or maybe they would only be there during school year then they would go home somewhere

01:02:58 else no one decided to say oh yeah uh billy died no i mean oh and also dan did too and also vanessa

01:03:04 that no i mean like come on people this is just obviously not in in some of the stuff the remanded

01:03:09 has been posting people would cite we want what kamloops wants it's fantastic we want that and

01:03:16 it's like oh my goodness if you have is was there ever footage during the holocaust of the of the

01:03:24 nazis filming jewish people and it was just like oh yeah it's casual and they're hanging out with 0.74

01:03:28 It's all happy. Like, clearly not.

01:03:31 Yeah. Anyway, but as well, the other things to keep in mind, you know, no police report, no parents reporting children missing.

01:03:41 The 1990s RCMP investigation that involved the famous Charlene Bellow, the one who wishes that I would be raped.

01:03:50 She was the liaison who was helping the members come and make reports to the RCMP.

01:03:56 No one ever mentioned any burials about Kamloops.

01:04:00 The 1993 Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples, like hearings that were held where Charlene Bellows said that her mother and her grandmother had a really good experience at the residential school.

01:04:14 The Truth and Reconciliation Commission hearings in 2013 when Jeanette Jules gave testimony, never mentioned anything about burials or anything like that.

01:04:24 And then when she was giving a talk in 2022, she was talking about incinerators and children

01:04:30 being buried on the grounds and all these things. So the only two eyewitnesses we have who've made

01:04:36 any claims about burials at Kamloops are Billy Coombs and Jesse Jules. They're both associated

01:04:42 with Kevin Annette. They're both were alcohol, you know, seemed to have, you know, be on the

01:04:47 Lower East Side and all sorts of, you know, on these, this is misremembering is very likely in

01:04:53 in this case. You know, it just is, there is nothing there. And it all came to light

01:04:58 after Sarah Bollier ran her GPR machine over that orchard and said she'd found these 215

01:05:05 anomalies, which then of course turned out to be 200, because the archaeology department from

01:05:12 Simon Fraser had already excavated this area, which had the 15. So if she's wrong on the 15,

01:05:19 why couldn't she also be wrong on the 200 that she found and the septic tiles don't forget the

01:05:25 septic tiles laid in that area all the excavations that have taken place on that site this is just

01:05:31 an entirely implausible types of claims that are being made yet we're being intimidated 0.76

01:05:37 by these neo-tribal elites and their aboriginal industry associates to just go along with it

01:05:44 because we're going to be called racists and deniers and colonialists if we don't go along

01:05:51 with this obvious falsehood that is being used to manipulate everyone you know like wake up people

01:05:59 we're coming up to the fifth anniversary it's coming up on the 27th we're having an event on

01:06:04 the uh the ground the uh lawn of the legislature i gotta i've even got a permit to be able to hold

01:06:11 this event and it's time to have a reckoning about the Kamloops case we must have truth about that

01:06:18 because you know as George Orwell says you know freedom is the freedom to state that two plus two

01:06:23 make four the remains of 215 children have not been confirmed everyone's going along like they

01:06:29 still believe this is the case and it's obviously not it's not good for people to proceed on the

01:06:35 base of these falsehoods. And the thing, this actually might be a funny experiment, but I know

01:06:41 a GPR machine would probably be very expensive to get. Just going like a mile down the road,

01:06:47 just to a random patch of ground, the same size. We've done it. We've done it. Okay. And how many

01:06:52 documentary on the Kamloops case, which I'm currently trying to get re-edited and so on.

01:06:59 Simon Haregott, myself, Kathy Drake, we all went to this patch of grass with a GPR expert,

01:07:04 and we did a gpr survey and we did an excavation of that site anyway that's coming out september

01:07:10 2026 okay cool but and and here's the thing too it's like i think that people

01:07:18 people like just people like a story in a lot of ways and the thing is that people don't like

01:07:25 frankly the boring reality of how life is and this is always the thing i'm not trying to go

01:07:31 into the residential school specific issues too much but I would always say that you would

01:07:36 immediately think somebody was up to something if they claimed that there is that the current

01:07:42 BC public school system is an abuse mill and they would line up a bunch of real stories of people

01:07:48 and then claim that if you deny that it's an abuse mill you're denying these stories I always

01:07:53 find that that seems to be the game that will it's like I compare many of these people to Al

01:07:58 sharped in they will take the general idea that racism does exist in america or has existed

01:08:04 ergo you must believe to wanna brawley ergo you must believe the story of the crown heights riot

01:08:11 ergo you must do this and it's always basically kind of like trauma laundering i guess you could

01:08:18 say that effectively because something bad here happened verifiably everyone condemns ergo you

01:08:24 cannot question Kamloops 215 because they always do that rhetorical pivot it's a it's the Mott and

01:08:31 Bailey that that is Bailey they want to exist in that the Canadian government has not just you know

01:08:37 it wasn't just that these institutions were imperfect and some bad actors sometimes worked

01:08:41 at them and maybe there were some institutions that were just bad and should have been shut down

01:08:45 and that some were good it's not they don't want that nuanced history they want to live in the nice

01:08:50 comfortable bailey that the canadian government committed genocide and ergo they owe money but if

01:08:55 you could if you like challenge them on that they retreat into the mot that is not nearly as

01:09:01 comfortable to live in which is that there was some abuse that occurred and it's like well who's

01:09:06 challenging that that's true about the current school system but you would immediately think

01:09:12 someone was up to something if they were claiming then it was like some sort of like the state

01:09:17 controlled conspiracy to destroy people or whatever yeah and i've even heard people like

01:09:23 leah gazan who's this horrendous mp from winnipeg center say that people the residential school

01:09:30 what they're calling residential school denialism which is just asking the questions that need to

01:09:35 be asked about this deception say people are denying the that the residential schools existed

01:09:42 like and and the words residential school denialism make it sound like that's the case

01:09:48 because if you just kind of translated it literally that would be the case but obviously

01:09:54 people aren't denying that the residential schools existed now some people i know some people members

01:10:00 of my resident the research group argue that on the on the balance sheet of it the residential

01:10:07 schools were a positive thing for Aboriginal people, especially children who were being

01:10:14 neglected and abused in communities. It was a necessary child welfare kind of institution.

01:10:20 I'm a little bit more, you know, open-ended about it. I'm not an expert in the entire kind of...

01:10:26 It depends. It really depends. You're never going to fully defend a policy from 100 years ago that

01:10:33 was probably too broad, too probably, you know, one size fits all, maybe not managed properly in

01:10:39 a lot of cases. That's just kind of the reality of government policy throughout all of history.

01:10:45 There's never going to be like, I'm not going to be the guy who's going to defend big government

01:10:49 policies. You know, you know, I'm, I tend to think that, you know, probably it wasn't managed

01:10:54 properly entirely. There's probably also some... There's virtues in... Yeah.

01:11:01 complicated policy area you know certainly you know government sometimes should have done more

01:11:07 there's a lot of insensitivity probably like people tended to be quite insensitive at the time

01:11:13 about people were having a difficult uh attempts at trying to get used to circumstances which were

01:11:20 not of their own making which you know it's not easy for people to go from a hunting and gathering

01:11:26 kind of existence to a modern civilization. That's quite a jarring kind of circumstance to

01:11:34 have to deal with. But the fact that there were these missteps, that doesn't mean it was a

01:11:40 genocidal attempt to destroy the aboriginal population, which is kind of what, this is what 0.93

01:11:47 we're always kind of faced with, is this kind of leap, which is like, no, you have to have a lot

01:11:52 more evidence for what you're claiming than what you do. But as soon as you say, well,

01:11:56 the evidence is not very clear on this point, you get intimidated by people who are even

01:12:02 threatening to put you in jail for what it is that you're arguing.

01:12:06 Yeah. And what's funny with the activists is that they so often will defend elements of like the

01:12:11 Indian Act that have not been good for the community at all. That's the kind of weirdly

01:12:15 perverse incentive structure that has been set up for themselves, is that they defend the reserve

01:12:21 system and they don't because of residential schools they don't put a lot of emphasis on

01:12:26 education these days at least like you know western centric education uh there was this

01:12:32 one school that uh you know dallas brody was kind of making fun of the name of and it's because

01:12:37 they translated into an indigenous language and whatnot and i actually had you know she's doing

01:12:42 her job fair enough she's she's nice a staff member from the green party asked me well well

01:12:48 Well, we had someone, because it's in Saanich, it's Rob Botterell's riding the green MLA for Saanich, North New Orleans.

01:12:55 And they said that, well, the Saanich, I forgot what the exact name of the tribe around that area is.

01:13:02 But they said that the chief wants to sit down with Dallas and talk to her about her making fun of the name of the school.

01:13:09 And I was just sitting there on my phone talking to this person, because the whole implication is you're making fun of an indigenous school for indigenous children that teaches the language.

01:13:18 I looked up that language, the Saanich indigenous language. Five people speak it. Five. To varying

01:13:26 levels of sufficiency. They're not teaching the language. It's like if I was teaching Russian,

01:13:31 I'm not Russian, but I could probably translate a few phrases and teach that to people. You're not

01:13:36 doing it. And they were like, well, what's wrong with that? Like the staffer, and fair enough,

01:13:41 they're being genuine about it. I'm like, it's the emphasis is wrong. Why is this what we're

01:13:45 emphasizing in a classroom setting for people that we want to succeed? Why is any time of day

01:13:51 being taken out to learn a language that is genuinely unfunctional? And I want congratulations

01:13:57 to people who revive nearly extinct languages and at least keep them kind of going in a form where

01:14:04 it's a bit of a museum piece, but at least it exists. What is ever going to happen to these

01:14:10 children if they learn fluently, they learn this language? Why do they, they're going to meet up

01:14:15 every once in a while and seven of them are going to speak the language to each other at a reunion

01:14:19 and that's it. Like it's, I'm sorry, you know, learning a click language or a, you know, Canary

01:14:26 Islands whistle language is not going to help you in the modern world. Oh, and we already have

01:14:31 serious educational problems for Aboriginal students. So teaching them a whole new thing 1.00

01:14:39 and the script, that's what really gets me. And I think that's what Dallas was sort of getting at

01:14:44 there is that linguists they're not it's not ordinary aboriginal people who know how to

01:14:52 pronounce these scripts it's linguist so no one knows how to pronounce these languages except

01:14:57 for a very few number of specialized uh academic types it's not gonna if even if you wanted to

01:15:06 preserve these languages which i think personally it's a huge waste of resources and a focus on

01:15:12 the past instead of trying to give aboriginal students the skills where they'll be able to

01:15:19 communicate with others all over the world not just canada but you know like no one speaks that 0.58

01:15:26 language therefore it has useful it has very very limited utility yeah and if you're going to spend

01:15:33 all your time trying to teach people a script that they can't pronounce because they have to

01:15:39 learn a whole new script to be able to do it that's going to take time away from the much

01:15:45 necessary remedial work that needs to be done in terms of being able to write clearly being able

01:15:53 to do mathematics being able to learn the whole of human history like why are we going to you know 0.63

01:16:01 encouraging aberrational people that was very narrow focus when we should be trying to bring

01:16:06 people into the wider kind of global history which can help us all understand how we fit

01:16:13 within everything that's happening in the world it would be like training somebody in

01:16:19 in ancient mesopotamian it's actually technically a phonetic language it was invented to be you know

01:16:25 everything can be broken up into parsibles and sounds even that language would have limitations

01:16:31 on knowing how to say microchip or jet propulsion system or whatever, because it wasn't made at a

01:16:39 time when any of that stuff was ever going to be relevant. A lot of indigenous languages would be

01:16:44 like trying to teach people how to use ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. It was made at a time 0.97

01:16:50 when there was a much more limited amount of things that you needed words for. And now you're

01:16:54 going to be in a world where there's the internet, you're going to try and make this language go

01:16:58 forth that keyboards don't even want to type because it's too complicated it's like there's

01:17:03 a reason why the japanese in have hiragana and katakana because you can't write everything in

01:17:09 kanji you can't have a unique symbol for everything and write that crazy and you know you it just

01:17:15 brings money for the aboriginal industry and diverts it away from all the other kind of much 0.54

01:17:19 needed programs so the neo-tribal elites the ones that go and become knowledgeable in these scripts 0.87

01:17:26 and everything they get the money they distribute it to their networks and the money doesn't go to

01:17:32 you know develop you know deal with the fuel alcohol syndrome problem the abuse the massive

01:17:38 amounts of abuse that are going on in these communities the terrible water the terrible

01:17:44 housing conditions etc etc etc so you know again we have this kind of intimidation which is getting

01:17:52 us to develop nonsensical policies that are detrimental to the aboriginal population

01:17:59 and everyone's afraid to say anything about it because you just get this barrage of you know

01:18:05 criticism that's very very you know trying to bring you as a racist at the bc legislature i

01:18:12 this is i guess this like last topic we wrap up here in a second but i was at the there was a

01:18:16 missing and murdered indigenous women's event and i went in and sat up you know on it in the back

01:18:21 there's something else going on so it wasn't actually that well attended but and i feel bad

01:18:26 for the people who were speaking because they often lost family members presumably somebody

01:18:30 had been murdered or had died in an accident they never found them or whatever the problem is is

01:18:35 that the the way people are talking is about you know european-centric criminal justice that we

01:18:43 don't have enough like an understanding of the indigenous community and the like and the implication

01:18:50 that it's like the western system that has done this and it's like i'm not trying to be rude every

01:18:56 community if a white woman dies it's very likely a white man who did it but now we're acting as if

01:19:03 like the all the entire implication is that we don't want to ever tell ourselves the truth that

01:19:07 it's this community that needs more policing and the anti-police stance coming from activists and

01:19:14 even family members probably kind of indoctrinated into the language of how the activists talk about

01:19:19 this issue are basically saying, let's make the problem worse. Let's have less eyes and ears on

01:19:24 these people in the community. The Kalaju principle was never brought up during the discussion,

01:19:30 although people were still saying, oh my goodness, well, somebody had done something and then they

01:19:35 were released very shortly after not connecting the dots that it's your own rhetoric around

01:19:40 Western-centric criminal justice that is fueling the problem of letting murderers and rapists just

01:19:46 to go free. They're violent criminals, but they haven't done something yet. So it was just a few

01:19:51 fights. It was just a stabbing at a bar at one time. So let's let them go. I just talked to

01:19:56 somebody from Ontario where they were letting people out of prison for a murder after five

01:20:01 years because of good behavior. And maybe it could have been self-defense. And then they kill somebody

01:20:06 six months later again. And it's like, oh, well, now they're going to get 10 years. It's like,

01:20:11 oh, come on. And this is all Gladju principle stuff. Yeah. And then, you know, no. And I went

01:20:16 to a red dress event myself in Calgary just to monitor what was being said there. And it's all

01:20:24 just performative stuff when there's a few truths that need to be said about this issue, which is 0.76

01:20:30 one, it's not a non-Aboriginal killing Aboriginal problem. It's an Aboriginal men killing Aboriginal 0.96

01:20:38 women problem and also aboriginal men killing aboriginal men just murders generally because of

01:20:45 the cultural problems that exist in aboriginal communities such as the fetal alcohol syndrome

01:20:52 problem the problem that there is a lack of constraint like when you get angry you haven't

01:20:57 really learned how to control your your emotions and just generally people being very miserable so

01:21:03 you tend to have high rates of violence prostitution when aboriginal women leave 1.00

01:21:09 the reserves and go to the cities that's often one of the things that they're doing and that's

01:21:16 a high risk uh occupation and that's not to blame anyone is to say you know if you're going to have 0.96

01:21:23 like a higher percentage of people aboriginal people who are engaged in prostitution you're 0.99

01:21:27 gonna the murders are going to be are going to be higher because that the problem is to try to 0.54

01:21:32 address why it is that aboriginal women are so deprived that they would have to resort to that

01:21:37 and then the third thing is you have the um the uh the men who were released early so you have 1.00

01:21:44 like all these violent people going back into the communities well and you get the stupid sex worker 0.99

01:21:48 uh rhetoric from the people who are supposedly caring about these people immediately acting 1.00

01:21:55 like this is just some illegitimate form of employment that they were voluntarily choosing

01:22:00 They went through the Rolodex of all the jobs they could have and they landed on this one.

01:22:04 Not actually connecting the dots, that this is probably something tied to criminal activity and them going missing shouldn't be shocking.

01:22:12 Like, again, you feel bad for the families, but when people are talking about how, like, oh, and then the police didn't look for them.

01:22:20 And it's like, what are the police supposed to do?

01:22:22 You went missing on a highway or you went missing in some druggy part of the city.

01:22:28 who are they going to talk to all the other people who are strung out it's genuinely you're walking

01:22:32 into a black void in terms of they can't find you because you walked into the void yeah no it's uh

01:22:39 and it's it's sort of implied that there's there's lack of interest in investigating but

01:22:44 no one's considering that the investigations like you need to have certain things in place to be

01:22:50 able to make progress on investigations and people who just go into these cities and just sort of

01:22:56 melt into the glory side or whatever you know who's going to be talking about them and where

01:23:03 are the contacts that they're going to be able to get to be able to figure this out you know it just

01:23:07 is instead of looking at the deprivation like that's trying to address the deprivation that's

01:23:11 going on in various various kinds of contexts it's all about you know serial killers they want

01:23:17 to bring up serial killers and focus on robert picton and and uh the guy who resulted in the

01:23:23 landfill the women in the landfill um and and serial killers are a very small number of the

01:23:28 murders that are committed uh and aboriginal women it's going to be someone you know 0.68

01:23:33 it's going to likely be an intimate partner there's a lot of violence tremendous amounts

01:23:38 of violence in aboriginal communities why are we not focusing on addressing the violence in 0.97

01:23:44 aboriginal communities that is and you know if you proposed having police patrols and let's have a 0.97

01:23:49 permanent RCMP office in that community it would be protested immediately and they would say that

01:23:53 that was somehow racist and another thing one last thing they even brought up is they kept

01:23:58 whenever they kept bringing up the idea oh they wouldn't go looking for any of these women they

01:24:02 would consider them runaways I'm like have you ever like I'm not trying to be rude here but have

01:24:06 you ever watched a documentary about serial killers like you know John Wayne Gacy whenever

01:24:11 they had like 19 kids go missing and every single time they'd be like probably a runaway it was kind

01:24:17 of the it was kind of the trend at the time you could be a white blonde haired guy and you would

01:24:22 still just be considered some runaway even if it's super sketchy how you went away it's just how

01:24:27 policing used to be done back when it was hard to find evidence it was an easy way of just saying

01:24:31 i must be a runaway and they wouldn't do anything about it but now we are trying to pretend this is

01:24:35 like a special problem that specifically happens only for indigenous women yeah yeah anyways so

01:24:43 that should be it for today's video, guys. I know this was a very, we very much started on one foot

01:24:52 and ended on a completely different foot. But thank you, Francis, for showing up and talking

01:24:58 today and telling us about the harrowing experience dealing with the CBC's entrapment scheme. Is there

01:25:06 anything left you want to promote or mention? Yeah, so May 27th, I'm just going to mention

01:25:11 again. We have been trying for five years to have the truth about the Kamloops case,

01:25:20 the Kamloops 215 deception. I have got a permit to hold that event on 12 to 2 on the front lawn

01:25:28 of the BC legislature. I've invited all the MLAs to come to this event. It's not completely

01:25:36 nonpartisan and people who think that their remains of 215 children are buried, that they

01:25:41 should come and make their case so that we can have a discussion i sent a whole bunch of invitations

01:25:46 out to the people at the university of victoria because of course they tried to uh stop me from

01:25:53 speak well they did they prevented me from speaking to students and faculty so uh they

01:25:59 should come out all the activists have a discussion the time is now and we're going to have a reckoning

01:26:05 on the canlu's case and it's going to happen on the fifth anniversary perfect well thank you for

01:26:10 coming uh francis and definitely if something else goes down and i could see something going

01:26:15 down at your event uh you can always come back on the show and i'd love to hear more about it

01:26:20 okay sounds great yeah and uh thank you for for everyone for tuning in and of course i'll probably

01:26:26 be back with another video later today but you never know what's going to be with me

01:26:29 so until then i'll see you guys all later

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The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - May 15, 2026

Exposing a CBC Entrapment Scheme (ft. Frances Widdowson)

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