00:00:57.680Yeah, so there was this, I don't know what they're attempting to do, I guess, Borat style, humiliation type, like project that the CBC, APTN and an affiliated production company was working on using fake aliases and fake company names in order to go after people, I guess, who, let's just be, you know, straight,
00:01:26.160who say correct things about the reconciliation industry, who say correct things. Usually,
00:01:33.520you know, you go after people because they're like, you know, some powerful individual spreading
00:01:38.340misinformation. But I guess, you know, in the year 2026, we go after people who do not have
00:01:44.860institutional power who are saying things that are correct. So what was your experience like
00:02:12.120from a person by the name of Pam Gibson,
00:02:15.080who we have now found out is Molly Gore,
00:02:17.260who is an activist from the United States
00:02:19.640and works with uh igor vamos from the yes men so they're connected in some way and she told me all
00:02:27.960the right things that things that i were interested in said that you know she was they were all very
00:02:33.240impressed with you know how i would speak my mind on these topics etc so i was already thinking
00:02:42.040that you know this this is good they want to talk to me about things that all these things
00:02:46.040that i'm interested in so they arranged i didn't have any kind of elaborate stuff like lindsey
00:02:50.680shepherd have but had but they just arranged all the travel arrangements and then they flew me to
00:02:55.800vancouver and i stayed in a hotel for the night and i showed up uh oh no so they they had a driver
00:03:05.720drive me to this studio i didn't even know where i was going i was just driven somewhere in
00:03:10.440vancouver i was brought into this this studio and met by uh that guy that you see on the screen his
00:03:18.520name is uh igor vamos he's a i didn't know who he was he's he called himself mike smith at this
00:03:24.440proceedings but he's from the s-men and uh what's her name amy mercer who is from the uk
00:03:32.760had a british accent is involved in some kind of these sorts of things too so we still haven't
00:03:38.840figured out the uk connection because there is some of that anyway they told me there's a johnny
00:03:43.960mcdonald uh actor who's going to be joining me and it was to give the kind of theatrical
00:03:49.640kind of side of things so to talk to him about his experiences playing johnny mcdonald in various
00:03:55.640theatrical things well i thought that was a bit odd because i didn't really had never seen that
00:03:59.960before but i thought hey they can get a artistic side and the and the academic side yeah like the
00:04:05.400the whole idea of oh well what does it feel like to play a character that everybody hates you're
00:04:10.140in this you know stage production out there and people think it's you know it's wrong for you to
00:04:14.740do this and you're probably assuming it's it's from like the idea that i'm a serious actor it's
00:04:19.840it's like when the guy there was a lot of interviews around the swiss actor who ended up
00:04:23.640playing hitler and downfall and what does that feel like and you know i guess maybe that was
00:04:28.260the angle they were going for in your mind when you just heard about the idea yeah that's what i
00:04:33.360thought uh i thought it was a bit odd but hey whatever and then we went in and there was this0.69
00:04:40.740woman with a blonde wig who was really kind of tarted up as they say she she had like serious0.99
00:04:47.040makeup on and i she looked weird and i was thought that's an odd interviewer for a you know a docu0.99
00:04:55.620series this is supposed to be like a historical stuff and i thought okay well this is odd and she
00:05:02.120the questions she was asking me were not they were very softball questions they weren't
00:05:08.360informed questions mostly about free speech um vamos intervened at one point to get me to talk
00:05:17.960about the aboriginal industry so they were interested in having me talk about the aboriginal
00:05:22.120industry and around i think it was about half an hour it might have been as much as an hour
00:05:27.000uh oh sorry one thing will happen before they they pretended to turn off the cameras and the
00:05:33.240microphones at one stage saying that they had some technical difficulties and the interviewer
00:05:38.300this woman her name uh she's an actress she's a comedian her name is dakota uh ray
00:05:46.000hebert anyway i didn't know that she was the one wearing the the blonde wig who was calling
00:05:51.720herself becky yes calling herself becky i don't i didn't remember her name to be honest but
00:05:56.840in her video because of course the same uh people in the same costumes yeah yeah they're same same
00:06:04.460stuff and then the interviewer becky kept on talking to me while the the supposed microphones
00:06:12.440were off which i thought was odd because i kept on saying to myself why is why are they continuing
00:06:18.480with the interview when it's not having sound on it but of course obviously what she wanted me to
00:06:23.900do was to say you know those really racist things that I was going to say with the microphones off
00:06:30.540that I wouldn't have said with them on um but of course I say I'm not I say the same things
00:06:35.760regardless I'm not I'm not trying to hide anything anyway about at least half an hour in but maybe as0.53
00:06:40.820much as an hour two aboriginal men walked in they dumped a bag of children's shoes on the coffee
00:06:48.640table in front of me and i was i was shocked about this i i thought what they were were
00:06:56.640were guests who were coming in to be interviewed after me who had caught wind of me being there
00:07:02.320and were sabotaging the interview but then i i realized that becky was looking at me with this
00:07:11.120intense hatred in her eyes and not saying anything so i knew she was in on the whole thing
00:07:18.640I tried to talk to these two men. I was asking them, what is this about? Like, what are you doing? Like, why are you, what do you mean when you're putting these shoes on there? Is that, are you trying to make a comparison with the Holocaust and the memorials that we see where, you know, children who died, that was their shoes? Like, and these are obviously not children who, so is that an appropriate comparison to be making?
00:07:41.940so i was trying to talk to them and they just were glaring at me and then uh and one of them
00:07:49.220uh his name there's two and we know the names of them ryan moccasin is the man on the far right
00:07:54.180and then gets crazy boy is the guy second from the left yeah next to the blonde wigged woman
00:08:01.620yes next to her and amy mercer's in the middle next to vamos uh anyway uh they just kind of
00:08:10.820glared at me and then crazy boy kept on yawning as if he was really bored with what i was saying
00:08:17.380and then so i finally started to just ask the the members of the crew because there's a lot
00:08:23.460the large crew those people they were all there that's the crew so there's tons of people there
00:08:28.820so saying what is this about what is going on here and then amy mercer was going you're gonna
00:08:35.620miss your flight we should we should step outside and i said i am not going anywhere until i find
00:08:41.620out what this is all about and then i re i really wanted i didn't have my this is a big mistake i
00:08:46.900made i didn't have my handheld recorder on me i don't know why i allow that to happen and i knew
00:08:54.260that my phone was in my bag but my bag was in the other room so how am i going to get my bag with my
00:09:00.180phone in it so i said excuse me i have some medications that are in my bag could you please
00:09:07.620bring me my bag so i can take my medications so they go and they bring me my bag and as i got my
00:09:12.580bag i whipped out my phone and started live streaming this interrogation of and before you
00:09:20.900get into um what ended up happening when you started recording i just have to comment on the
00:09:25.940fact that they took months and hundreds of thousands of dollars to trick you into doing a
00:09:33.060interview where i guess they were going to dump a bunch of shoes in front of you have a john a
00:09:39.460mcdonald impersonator say some racist things and you were just going to sit there and be confused
00:09:44.660while trying to have a real discussion and you in about 10 seconds were able to grift them easier
00:09:50.740by getting them to give you your bag so you could start filming them and destroy the entire thing
00:09:55.300so these people who had thought about every single contingency hadn't thought hey maybe she doesn't0.99
00:10:01.620in the middle of this moment right now need medication maybe she's just going to get her1.00
00:10:06.100phone and start recording us and blow up our entire operation because this video ended up and0.76
00:10:12.580maybe i'll go and i'll bring up the video here but that this video uh and you can start describing
00:10:17.140what ended up happening ended up kind of blowing up everything they were doing because now everyone
00:10:22.500knows with verification not just stories that these people did in fact do this thing yeah yeah
00:10:29.360thank goodness I've been able to do that because if I hadn't I don't know if any of this would have
00:10:34.800ever seen the light of day like it it's it's a totally different situation when you watch that
00:10:39.780which when you watch that live stream you can you can sort of see the seediness of it the
00:10:45.000smarminess of it the kind of the horribleness of it like this guy is this
00:10:50.040anyway so that's and he just kind of like acts extremely like aloof about everything oh and
00:11:02.860you're like what did i just participate in asking him questions like that and he the most detail you
00:11:08.380ever get he says he says oh it's a social experiment or oh well what do you think you
00:11:12.680participated in or what do you why do you know how much it costs but the best thing which has been
00:11:19.120pointed out to me is that I said it looks like what these people are doing is they're doing this
00:11:24.520so that they can paint me as a racist and then put that on social media and Igor Vamo says
00:11:31.980you got that yeah you got that right so he's admitted this is what they're going to be doing
00:11:40.120is they're going to be painting me as a racist that that's what they're that's their whole thing
00:11:44.160is what they're going to be doing so that was a incredible admission on his part uh the whole thing
00:11:51.680is like the thing i noticed the most about this is i understand the prank genre
00:11:57.360it has its place and it can be quite funny especially if you've got someone in power who0.95
00:12:02.160who's a hypocrite you're you're uh you're exposing their hypocrisy uh matt walsh's takedown of uh0.98
00:12:09.440uh gender activists and whatnot right white fragility yeah he gets her to take money out1.00
00:12:17.900of her purse and gives it to the black uh cameraman or something so that she can make0.72
00:12:22.820reparations like that difference there between what the cbc and the aboriginal people's television
00:12:30.260network and the other aboriginal organization that was the production company behind this and
00:12:35.180Igor Vamos from the Yes Men in America. They're specifically entrapping somebody to come to them
00:12:43.080to participate in something completely fake. What Matt Walsh is doing is he's going to the people
00:12:49.480that he's ranking. He is entering their studio. He is acting as a customer to engage in the product
00:12:56.220or service that these people are selling. He is getting himself onto somebody's show and kind of
00:13:01.660being silly and every single sign should have been there ahead of time he gave them all of
00:13:06.940and that's the difference he let them have all the control still he was just going to come in0.88
00:13:11.340and ask some funny questions or get up on the tv show and make him make her give him money on
00:13:16.540television it wasn't that he's getting one person a single individual when they're not in their
00:13:22.700normal workspace to come out to someplace so he can set up an entire elaborate thing around them
00:13:28.140to try and trick and humiliate them he's just going and seeing what this person would say to
00:13:32.060any other customer you know some of these like dei or you know gender activists who like take
00:13:38.780money to do consulting work and all this stuff and he's sitting down with them and saying well what
00:13:42.940what do you say to this and that and then seeing them fall apart the difference with you is like
00:13:46.860what what is how how are they punking you and your normal no i don't i still have figured this out
00:13:53.020i've not figured this out what is the punch line here i don't understand like that they're gonna
00:13:58.700pour these shoes on the table and i'm what are they expecting me to do about this i don't what's
00:14:05.100funny it's not funny um i don't understand the joke that they're trying to get at and it's and
00:14:11.820and as lindsey was saying in her because lindsey's done a video on a very very good video yeah i just
00:14:16.460watched it last night uh that gives you a sense of the horror kind of stuff horrific things that
00:14:21.100that were done they were entering her home and they were stringing her along paying her as an
00:14:26.540employee for like you know product lines they were going to launch about john a mcdonald and it's
00:14:32.540like you could get into you they're in the territory where they could be sued because
00:14:37.340you have deliberately wasted somebody's time for months on end knowing this was never an actual
00:14:44.140real job opportunity imagine just doing that to someone that you hate just giving them small bits
00:14:49.260of money to keep them strung along not really a real salary but they're not looking for real work
00:14:53.740because they think this might turn into real work and like four months later you basically just prove
00:14:58.620that you were just trying to humiliate them the whole time plus and we've talked to lawyers
00:15:03.260ourselves because they tried to do this to us at one bc and dallas brody as well now naturally
00:15:07.900we're an entire team of people dallas actually used to work at the cbc briefly so she kind of
00:15:12.460knows how they do things so we immediately had red flags for the way they were approaching us
00:15:17.340and we get media requests all day long so we see a lot of media requests that are legitimate
00:15:21.820contrasted to what forge media had sent us but like again what they were effectively like
00:15:30.300borderline kidnapping somebody because we've had lawyers say it is still kidnapping if you say
00:15:36.380your daughter's hurt you need to get into this car right now we need to drive you across town
00:15:40.380because it just happened and then they just drop you off in the middle of nowhere and leave it's
00:15:44.060like well they never hurt you i'm like well they had strung you along made you go to a different
00:15:49.100city gotten into a car with a driver that was associated with their production to drive to a
00:15:54.380building that you didn't know the location of right at the moment it happened and they could
00:15:59.500have done anything yeah you know in hindsight it's kind of like i i could have just disappeared
00:16:07.020and no one would have known what happened to me because i i didn't even know where i was going so
00:16:11.420So I never told anyone where I was going to be or anything like that.
00:16:25.340So I'm I'm kind of in a in a bit of a vulnerable position, you know, emotionally vulnerable.
00:16:32.460But, you know, like I'm I, you know, if someone were not did not have my personality, you
00:16:40.460i can see how this would have been quite alarming but because of my experience of being surrounded
00:16:46.060by hostile forces quite often anyway um yeah so i the whole thing is is well i found just watching
00:16:53.660lindsay's video like what happened to her is like my thing doesn't compare to that at all like like
00:17:01.820her thing was just months of getting her to do a whole bunch of things that were not the case and
00:17:09.500and i would say you know there's some significant damages that are involved with that situation
00:17:16.140because her mindset was you know this could be something that i could build upon to develop
00:17:22.460something more like she's got time off and she's thinking about her future she's spending time
00:17:28.300doing that as opposed to doing other things because she thinks this is a good opportunity
00:17:32.700and now it turns out it was all made up you know i i don't i think this is fraudulent
00:17:37.980and a serious problem uh that was happening and based on just the fact that when they finally
00:17:46.220did bring her to the same studio location that they brought you in to pull off effectively uh
00:17:52.220almost the same like prank i guess she actually had to come not only uh with herself she had to
00:17:58.300come bring her infant child as well as her sister to babysit her child which i doubt the production
00:18:04.300company was paying for as well and so it's doubtful that even in participating in this even
00:18:09.900made her any money and so they probably they probably actually do have financial damages not
00:18:15.020just because oh yeah this is this is bad this is that that what happened was terrible like with
00:18:20.940you know with me it was like i i find it kind of funny actually the whole thing i i'm still trying
00:18:25.500to sit not not what happened to other people but you know just because of my personality
00:18:29.660you know i can i can pretend to be you know seriously damaged and so on so maybe i can get
00:18:35.680a million bucks out of the cbc or whatever um you know the funny thing is they chose you and
00:18:41.960shepherd now we're gonna get to some of the other people that they actually had tried to humiliate
00:18:46.900as well and in terms of like they'd gone and tried to get dallas brody to do it and aaron gun
00:18:51.200you know that got filtered out one politicians have a lot of you know don't have that much time
00:18:55.980on their hands so it's harder to entrap a politician but um it's funny that they chose
00:19:01.140you and lindsey because you're both very stoic individuals and are not likely to have like a big
00:19:06.860freak out blow up meltdown on camera like what do they think that you're gonna start like throwing
00:19:11.760stuff i don't this is what i'm trying to figure out if it had all gone according to what they
00:19:17.020wanted what what did they want i don't i think they pull up pour these shoes on what were these
00:19:23.840shoes under the table. I have a big hissy fit about it or something. I storm out of the offices.
00:19:32.640I don't exactly know. So the whole thing doesn't, although it's supposed to be a quote-unquote
00:19:37.180prank, no one understands what the prank is supposed to be. And I really don't think so.
00:19:44.680Lindsay mentioned this too. I believe it was dissimiliation that that's what they're trying
00:19:51.020to do it's not funny it doesn't have a lightheartedness about it it's not like just for
00:19:55.300laughs or anything like that it's just malicious and an attempt to punish people and uh have it's
00:20:06.340basically vengeance it's revenge and vengeance so this is the kind of thing that they think
00:20:12.220is going to assist reconciliation is having this kind of revenge fantasy that they're acting out
00:20:19.500in this studio by getting some quote-unquote white woman to come and humiliate her and berate her1.00
00:20:27.260and glare at her and do all these things to make her feel like, you know, she's an odious person1.00
00:20:33.760or something like that. And it's a sign that you become a radical activist, not just an activist.
00:20:39.560Hey, at times I'm an activist on things too. But when you've kind of gone to the dark side of being
00:20:44.920an activist is that you can't even be funny when you're trying to be funny everything is severe all
00:20:50.200the time everything is not about trying to make an ironic point and maybe make somebody laugh
00:20:55.400it's first and foremost to destroying people who don't agree with you yeah and this was funded by
00:21:01.640by the tax dollars this was from lindsey shepherd because she did poking around and obviously
00:21:08.020if the cbc's asked if they're associated with this and if it's true they have to say yes
00:21:13.440because, you know, it would be, you know, freedom of information requested and they'd be caught in a lie.
00:21:18.600Well, yeah, yeah, we'll have to tell them.
00:21:20.680A Wolfgang woman had gotten back to Lindsay Shepard when she had asked if this was a production that they were involved with.
00:21:28.260And she says, hi, Lindsay, we can confirm that this project is in early production for CBC Entertainment and APTN.
00:21:35.340No details pertaining to exhibition are confirmed at this time.
00:21:39.260Please contact the independent producers with any further questions.
00:21:42.600and who what was the independent production company again because you maybe remember the name
00:21:48.120it is uh nlt1 productions out of saskatoon and it's uh the director is ryan moccasin who was
00:21:57.880one of the aboriginal actors who was glaring at me after he poured the shoes on the table
00:22:04.280um but there's a a group of them we have this application it's some kind of indigenous screen
00:22:11.400office i think that's the name of it has has diverted 6.3 million dollars to a whole bunch
00:22:16.540of these productions someone has done a deep dive into those productions and found that
00:22:21.460they haven't produced anything uh in the last year so now this might not see the light of day
00:22:27.920either because france has pulled her phone out on them and now the whole game was kind of exposed
00:22:32.640yeah it's gonna be a hard sell to well everyone's gonna be i hope i hope they do uh personally i i
00:22:40.600the rcmp retired office or he probably doesn't want that to happen but i i'd love to see what
00:22:46.920they come up with out of all of this um you know unfortunately i'm really kicking myself because i
00:22:53.080didn't have my recorder so i'm not going to be able to say okay that was completely out of context
00:22:58.440what they did there this wasn't me this is an ai voice whatever they're planning on doing is gonna
00:23:03.720but the cbc has all the coverage they have all the footage of these things so
00:23:13.080and because it's taxpayer money there actually might be a way of demanding all raw footage from
00:23:18.840it because you could say that anything associated with myself and any other anyone else could say
00:23:24.840legally because you spent taxpayer money on this this is public and it's associated with myself
00:23:30.040i demand all the raw footage uh and you know i know i know we keep saying this i have no clue
00:23:36.120how this docuseries is even going to come together and be viewable at all like i don't know what
00:23:41.720you're what what's it going to be like it's a doc if anything it could make a fantastic
00:23:46.440uh counter docuseries now once all the footage comes out and yeah we could do a documentary on
00:23:53.400this cvc could hire me i'm doing documentaries right now to do a documentary on this whole
00:24:01.880fiasco that they've been involved in like that would be fantastic because it's really now a huge
00:24:08.680it's just and then there's a lot more as i'll get into shortly um but just finishing off on my
00:24:14.440whatever happened in my situation so i started i put on my smartphone i'm i'm uh they and then
00:24:20.440they all get up so johnny mcdonald who's sitting next to me and a bear who's the interviewer with
00:24:28.040the wig and the two aboriginal guys they both they all get up and they walk out when i started to0.84
00:24:33.400to and if i've been thinking i would have i would have nailed them all and gone around and got0.96
00:24:39.320footage of them each of them but i i was too busy dealing with igor here anyway so i'm i'm
00:24:47.080interrogating him and i'm asking him what all this is he's being very evasive he's not really
00:24:51.000answering these questions and uh he's telling me that i should know what's you know what this is
00:24:58.200about and how much it's going to cost because i'm quote-unquote participating in this uh social
00:25:05.000experiment they turn up eventually turn off the lights in the studio you look like marlon brando
00:25:11.400there in apocalypse now when you think about it anyway we we go out i do a bit more live streaming
00:25:18.920of the the lounge area and then i go outside i do some i do a little bit of filming of the camera
00:25:25.400crew that follows me outside i should have spent more time there i should have hung hung back and
00:25:31.880but i wasn't sure how much time i had for my flight and uh but i should have milked it for
00:25:37.400as much as i could it would have been really funny if they had to then call the police to make you
00:25:41.640leave there i was thinking of it like because this is my one of my signature moves here is
00:25:49.080you gotta and then we would have seen what they're gonna do i i that that would have been better but
00:25:54.840anyway i was i was already pretty discombobulated and uh so then i got in the car and got taken back
00:26:04.600to the airport and i was talking to the driver saying are you in on it are you in on this
00:26:08.360what's going on and he said he wasn't but it's it's it's 50 50 whether the driver cameron mcleod
00:26:17.160was uh in on this thing or not probably was just although he acted like he had no clue what i was
00:26:23.720talking about who knows i the whole thing is just unbelievable and then i i'm i though they paid me
00:26:31.320in cash that's the other kind of odd thing is they paid me a thousand dollars in cash which
00:26:37.480i've never been paid in cash before for these things so i i have a b i have a b in the studio
00:26:45.000that's crawling on me i'll figure we'll we'll figure that out later okay okay i'm gonna be
00:26:50.120very careful that doesn't get pissed at me it's now crawling up my neck okay so we'll go solo
00:26:55.000on you while you figure this out um yeah so that was really very strange um and then i had no i
00:27:03.780thought it was me i thought i was the only one involved i kept on thinking wow they've done all
00:27:09.100this for me that was gonna my my sort of believe about it um and so i and that's why i asked him
00:27:15.100am i the target and so i did this live stream when i was in the airport and i was having a drink
00:27:20.640doing i was just totally wired saying wow this is incredible i can't believe this happened
00:27:26.380and then lindsey when she was doing some research on all her stuff she found my live stream
00:27:32.760and so she i hadn't yet got the the um uh what's his name uh igor vamos uh i hadn't yet got that
00:27:41.280because uh i i there's something that went wrong with the live stream and uh i had to get my
00:27:49.240videographer daniel pages in uh in manitoba to rescue it unfortunately he was able to rescue it
00:27:56.440because if i wasn't able to find it then i would have we would have problems with trying to
00:28:01.960identify some of these people but lindsay did amazing amounts of research on she did uh reverse
00:28:10.840image recognition through ai so she found out a lot of stuff yeah she was the one who found out
00:28:16.200all their names because apparently the woman in the wig had been posting all these production
00:28:20.900images on her instagram and in stories and whatnot and she's like saved all of it and it's funny as
00:28:25.860soon as she mentioned that she had all this stuff it all went private yeah yeah yeah no so they're
00:28:30.260they're running scared and they should be running scared because what they've done is an outrage
00:28:36.780and we've only just begun to go after these people for this and you know this the whole thing and
00:28:44.620And that's kind of one of the most disturbing things is the hatred, seeing the hatred that existed.
00:28:50.940And, you know, this is not, you know, we're talking about reconciliation and creating a better future and creating a more cooperative environment.
00:28:58.900You know, these resentments and anger are being stoked by the aboriginal industry, the lawyers who make money off of these disputes and all of these media companies and all these things.
00:29:10.940it's all about getting people really angry about perceived injustices instead of trying to0.87
00:29:17.180to solve them so that media company is just an absolute joke uh nl nlt1 i think that's what's
00:29:27.460name of it yeah and these these comedians are not funny at all you know they're what you know
00:29:33.540who have absolutely no talent this show uh like the cbc because people a lot of people are saying
00:29:43.720defund the cbc and and i i think that public broadcasting plays an important role in societies
00:29:48.880and and cbc does have a a long uh illustrious career of doing very good work in the news side
00:29:58.200not this nonsensical entertainment stuff because the entertainment stuff is just lame
00:30:04.680completely my favorite my favorite version of some operas was done by the cbc in the 80s but
00:30:11.660it's been a while yeah have you ever tried to sit down and watch that north of north show or
00:30:16.940whatever the funniest one is the um as when i brought up another context is the uh the great
00:30:25.120canadian baking show so they this is what they always do and this is what they've done with the
00:30:29.520yes man is they they're having the yes man which i've never watched the s man i don't know what
00:30:33.440they're like but i've heard they're top tier prankers yet they've got this lame quote-unquote0.99
00:30:40.000prank show because it's it's got this idiotic aboriginal thing where they're just acting out0.99
00:30:46.240their revenge fantasies which are not funny um but you have the great british baking show which1.00
00:30:54.040is a very charming show done in the uk which has all sorts of great things and i i loved watching
00:31:00.760it and what is what does the cbc do they have the exact same thing except they make it the great
00:31:06.280canadian baking show and it doesn't have any of the charm it's just horrible so it's like a lame
00:31:12.920same thing but just terrible and this is the kind of thing that's going to be going on well that's
00:31:17.880why you know the old show and this is honestly i think you could you people would probably you
00:31:22.680probably couldn't do it for copyright reasons although maybe you could just do it on patreon
00:31:26.600if people like pay five bucks they can watch it i i think it would be funny if you were forced to
00:31:31.080watch the north of north show basically imagine if a really lame version of corner gas if it was0.68
00:31:38.760filmed in none of that and all the people were woke indigenous people i'm not even kidding it
00:31:44.280is so woke even a non there are some white people in the show and of course there are0.98
00:31:48.280stupid and villains or something like that there's like not really or you know up to something but0.99
00:31:53.840even another character because of course everything has to be indigenous one of the guys is like a guy0.99
00:31:59.740who's like maori who's living in the middle of nowhere none of us on an island and it's like oh0.95
00:32:05.880my goodness the show couldn't get any more woke like that we now need like a disabled black woman0.99
00:32:10.700to be on the show to really round out this thing and they all talk like metropolitan toronto people1.00
00:32:15.860And by the way, the only person with like an accent that you would have if you like lived in like an Inuit community is supposed to be a stupid religious person.0.99
00:32:25.980Because, of course, because, of course, let's make her the one with the heavy, thick accent.1.00
00:32:30.820Yeah. Yeah. And that's, you know, you actually could have a very interesting show if you were to do it like it was reality.
00:32:38.180It would be kind of horrifying, but it would actually have some interesting characteristics.
00:46:24.560Not to say, like, I think it's horrible what happened to her.
00:46:26.840um i'm obviously can take care of myself i'm not i'm gonna don't try to set me up anyone if you
00:46:35.960want to set me up you're gonna get it like i'm gonna go after you um but that's no excuse uh
00:46:42.520you know the fact that i can i'm used to this and don't get too flustered about it doesn't mean
00:46:48.520that's okay to do these kinds of humiliation rituals even if they go terribly wrong but this
00:46:56.160is really bad because you are involving people who don't they have no background in any of this
00:47:01.940this is totally shocking to them um and uh yeah this is bad this is really bad what the cvc has
00:47:08.840done i just want to pull up the email that we ended up getting at 1bc from forge media pam
00:47:14.460gibson who we now know is the molly right is it what's the name molly gore molly gore so this is
00:47:22.200the email that they sent to us and i'm just going to read it just because it gives you some good
00:47:26.340flavor for how they end up presenting themselves yeah so they said here hello miss brody i'm a
00:47:32.080producer developing a docuseries for the cbc that investigates how land law and democracy are
00:47:37.820negotiated in canada going to air later this year we're looking at the impact of land decisions on
00:47:43.420the erosion of public trust and civil life and we would love to feature your voice we value the way
00:47:48.540you speak to, the issue honestly and practically, and at a time when there's so much public pushback
00:47:53.680on the truth and a breakdown of democratic process, we think our perspective deserves
00:47:59.040broader engagement. In the episode where we'd like to feature you, we're looking
00:48:05.280specifically at how Indigenous land rights are being advanced in ways that sidestep0.63
00:48:09.720democratic accountability, eroding public trust, and undermining Kennedy's future as a functioning
00:48:14.660democracy. We'd love to invite you to a short interview with one of our producers and a single
00:48:20.060camera, a simple setup over an hour or two. Are you available in the next two weeks? Let me know
00:48:24.620and I'll get some of the logistics and happy to share some questions ahead of time to help you
00:48:29.080prepare. Now, I think what is key here is that they say in this one section, in the episode
00:48:37.760where we'd like to feature you, we're looking specifically at how Indigenous land rights are
00:48:43.340being advanced in ways that sidestep democratic accountability. Now, we know that that is an0.92
00:48:48.580absolute lie about what their actual angle is. In the previous paragraphs or the previous sentences,
00:48:54.820you could say they're being a little evasive. They could be saying something but mean something
00:48:59.600a little bit different than the way that you would interpret it. That's not up to someone's
00:49:04.460interpretation. They are directly saying, well, you have a great perspective on how just signing
00:49:10.380away land or these court cases are hurting democracy it's you know it's ceding land power
00:49:15.180and money to a small uh group of and especially an even smaller group on band council but the
00:49:21.900thing is like with you it's not just that well if you read between the lines you'd understand what
00:49:26.700was happening no they will outright lie to you about what's going to happen yeah no it's very
00:49:33.340deceptive you know it's kind of interesting i've had a lot of conversations with people about this
00:49:37.820you know in terms of ethics of these things and you know is the pranking genre fundamentally
00:49:46.220unethical uh you know and i think it these are open questions i think with people are in power
00:49:54.540you know that's what happens when you're in power you you you have a different standard that is
00:50:00.620applied because of your in fact you're wielding power over people and therefore it's part of
00:50:05.980of accountability but you know again all these people that are involved they're not powerful
00:50:12.380people you know these are these are not and and and the fact that they're the ones that are seen
00:50:17.480as a target you know how about the cbc and executives let's get them uh let's do some
00:50:24.180humiliation rituals on them you know that'd be a good one that'd be good show do that you know
00:50:31.420how about uh you know what's his name vamos sorry sorry i had to put you on solo layout
00:50:39.500there for a second i killed the bee finally there has been resolution to this problem
00:50:44.300it tried to attack my foot okay we're good wow um yeah so i'm professional i know how to take
00:50:54.220myself off camera when there's bees that need killing as people have been saying
00:50:58.680was huge i was crawling on my face it's i'm good i don't have a phobia there oh my goodness but
00:51:07.300my first live stream back isn't going very well in certain ways uh i need to bring up this story
00:51:16.380now because you're putting a fine point on it why not go after some of the cbc executives who have
00:51:22.000been wasting taxpayer money paying themselves out massive bonuses for sucking at their jobs
00:51:28.100literally every year without fail. They literally, they estimate downwards how much audience capture
00:51:36.060they're going to have in Canada because they know nobody really likes to watch them. There's other
00:51:40.100media, I don't think that subsidies should be given to media for many of the things that they
00:51:44.700are given to them for, but other media who gets far less taxpayer money has far more audience
00:51:50.120capture because at least they somewhat try and serve up the stories properly. But here is a great
00:51:56.560example of the sort of person that they thought was appropriate to go after. Not just you and
00:52:02.580Lindsay, not just retired RCMP officers, an 82-year-old man involved in reenactments. This
00:52:10.000was reported by Jonathan Kaye at Quillette, and he says, the CBC-funded quote-unquote prank didn't
00:52:16.080just target pundits. In Quillette, I report on the effort to mock a humble 82-year-old
00:52:21.920brothel granddad who enjoys 19th century historical reenactments producers repeatedly lied to him for
00:52:28.500months then exploited his trust like that is going away from unethical to just evil
00:52:35.460a two-year-old man who just wants to you know do his like 19th century reenactments really loves
00:52:43.160history likes the community that's all involved in it and i assume the angle here i haven't written
00:52:48.240read the full article is the idea that you're reenacting things that are from a racist era
00:52:53.440and you shouldn't be celebrating this stuff it's like well what how what should we celebrate guys
00:52:59.120because the only thing apparently we're allowed to celebrate is like indigenous history you know
00:53:04.780not oftentimes not written down indigenous history and culture and that's kind of it pretty much you
00:53:11.660know gender stuff and indigenous history is all you can do if you're an 82 year old man who likes
00:53:18.380the era of the 1870s and wants to do a historical reenactment of you know the uh the what is it i
00:53:25.500forget what the war's name is but you know the metis versus the uh uh the canadian government0.97
00:53:30.380battle out in saskatchewan well you know screw you you're actually racist yeah and they're they're0.51
00:53:37.480they're sort of assuming almost that you know johnny mcdonald is like hitler so if you have0.95
00:53:43.160johnny mcdonald agreeing with things that you say you know it's like you're this is hitler agreeing
00:53:49.400with you and you're kind of hitler because you're associated with a hitler like all these kinds of
00:53:54.760things which is not helping us to better understand you know johnny mcdonald i'm sure mistakes were
00:54:02.360made historically a lot of it has to be placed in the context because things were a lot harder to
00:54:08.920move around like logistics in those days was very difficult so trying to provide supplies to anyone
00:54:15.720would have been a major kind of you know production and so on so so that's the kind of thing that has
00:54:20.680to happen and in fact jerry americ who who i've been talking to quite a bit this week too because
00:54:26.200he was the third person at that studio franklin studio that day you know he's just written a book
00:54:32.920um called sleepwalking which is about historical figures and trying to correct the record to have
00:54:38.760facts to talk about facts and you know because of the unpopularity of having certain truths be told
00:54:46.040about these historical figures he couldn't get a publisher to publish his book and to get it done
00:54:51.880self-publishing so this is the powerful figure that they think they're taking down with their
00:54:57.560incredible you know pranking and so on as you know some guy who is is just a very very kind
00:55:03.960of scholarly personality who you know paid to have his you know got used the self-publishing
00:55:11.000because he doesn't get any recognition by society you know wouldn't it be all these people who
00:55:16.760constantly online will just say that people like yourself people like um other people who've
00:55:24.120investigated things like the cam loops 215 what i would call these days a hoax like maybe it didn't
00:55:29.560start as a hoax it becomes a hoax when you know that you probably aren't going to find anything
00:55:33.480and you're finding reasons not to dig but people pushing on stuff like this who who is the who is
00:55:40.520the publisher of your the grave error book i forgot his name flanagan champion and flanagan
00:55:46.840so tom flanagan and chris champion were the editors yeah so but like it all these people
00:55:51.960online will constantly say oh no uh francis is spreading misinformation and disinformation she's0.99
00:55:57.640so wrong oh like she can convince a bunch of bunch of idiots a bunch of racists online that she's1.00
00:56:03.320right i'm like then how about bring francis in and fact check her back check her face because1.00
00:56:10.520Like, I keep on asking, what is the misinformation that you're talking about?0.96
00:56:16.260And, you know, this woman, Emily Enns, she's a graduate student, a supposed graduate student with a journalism program.
00:56:23.360She's not doing a story on how the 215 is a deception and it's like Canadians have been misled to extract all sorts of transfers and, you know, bring forward things like the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
00:56:38.240she's concerned about the hurt and the harm that uh you know the people feel because the
00:56:44.760leadership of the Kamloops Indian Band is being castigated for the fact that they have taken all
00:56:50.700this money and that they are not excavating on that site and I kept on asking her what is the
00:56:56.420misinformation that you're talking about and she says well they would say that it would be the
00:57:01.040deception that you're saying is a deception I said well we have a whole bunch of evidence that
00:57:05.220a deception you know like starting in the you know well i find activists tend to like to do
00:57:15.220this they like to turn things into the emotional battle it's the personality of francis widowson
00:57:20.820versus casimir chief casimir and and victims and it's like what sorry what is this and we've had
00:57:29.620so many hoaxes uh perpetrated against dallas where i remember this one video that went up
00:57:35.460trying to disprove dallas's claims about residential schools even though she doesn't
00:57:40.580they oftentimes exaggerate what her actual point is and her point is like these are not abuse mills
00:57:46.820i'm sorry this is not the holocaust you know there's no bodies at kamloops and i remember this
00:57:51.620one video that was like posted all over facebook at one point and it seemed really exploitative
00:57:55.860because there was this indigenous grandmother who seemed like she was in her 80s holding up a photo
00:58:01.540of of dallas and i'm like i'm going to expose dallas brody because she's saying that we're
00:58:06.260lying about uh about deaths at at places like kamloops and apparently she went to kamloops or
00:58:11.540another residential school and it was and it was funny their own story the story contradicts the
00:58:16.980story because she says well i was working at an infirmary in the school when i was 12 or something
00:58:23.860like that and a girl was brought in and she was there and i heard she later died and many years
00:58:30.220later someone said that she was hit by a two by four in the head multiple times i'm like i'm sorry
00:58:34.980wouldn't you have probably figured that at the time that somebody was just brought in bleeding
00:58:41.320or something like that and will look like they're in bad shape and don't you think that would have
00:58:45.620been a story floating around at the time don't you think a lynch mob would have come together
00:58:50.220to find the person who did that but it's always even when it's like oh this person's direct
00:58:55.260testimony is always something vague happened and years later somebody told me a story about it it's
00:59:00.700like i'm sorry it can't just be stories all the way down eventually you need primary documents
00:59:06.220the remanded on x is doing a brilliant job of requesting all sorts of information showing
00:59:12.940from the 1800s up until the 1960s there's community saying please give us more funding for the school
00:59:19.100we like the school can we have another i'm sorry in the protest era of the 60s and 70s was there
00:59:25.340nobody in the moment of opposing the vietnam war and free tibet and all this stuff who said hey
00:59:30.860how about we go and protest the school down the street where everyone's getting killed now i mean
00:59:36.140how about we do that abuse mill down the street it's almost like it wasn't what was going on
00:59:41.660that doesn't mean that we don't care about people who've been victimized if anything it trivializes
00:59:47.580anyone who was actually a victim of something terrible to say, your story's not good enough.
00:59:53.060Your victimization is not powerful enough. We need to use your story to paint a picture of
00:59:59.300like genocide and mass abuse. Your story is just too trivial for us. So we need this to become
01:00:05.400a brick in a larger narrative. It's like, wow, what a horrible thing to actually kind of put
01:00:10.060on somebody who has actually experienced terrible things that you have not been victimized hard
01:00:16.160enough for us to care about you it needs to be part of a grand community narrative and we're all
01:00:20.680now going to basically take ownership of your abuse yeah no when the Kamloops this is like
01:00:27.980that's largely you know the residential school is a complicated area of history different times
01:00:33.200different places etc depend on the people who work at the school and so on but the Kamloops one
01:00:39.340is a particularly fascinating case first of all because of the claims about clandestine burials
01:00:45.480the rest most of the other residential schools the burials that are being talked about are the
01:00:50.840burials in in cemeteries that um used to have marked graves and now those grave markers have
01:00:56.780deteriorated but with kamloops there's a cemetery across from saint joseph's church if you're going
01:01:03.680to have people buried who come from the kamloops reserve they're going to be buried in that
01:01:07.800cemetery and there's many many unmarked graves graves that were once marked but are now unmarked
01:01:13.720because the markers have deteriorated.
01:01:15.800But if you look at the history of the Kamloops school,
01:01:19.100you see just like almost an exemplary school
01:01:23.760with a swimming pool that was built for students
01:03:31.660Yeah. Anyway, but as well, the other things to keep in mind, you know, no police report, no parents reporting children missing.
01:03:41.080The 1990s RCMP investigation that involved the famous Charlene Bellow, the one who wishes that I would be raped.
01:03:50.720She was the liaison who was helping the members come and make reports to the RCMP.
01:03:56.720No one ever mentioned any burials about Kamloops.
01:04:00.880The 1993 Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples, like hearings that were held where Charlene Bellows said that her mother and her grandmother had a really good experience at the residential school.
01:04:14.640The Truth and Reconciliation Commission hearings in 2013 when Jeanette Jules gave testimony, never mentioned anything about burials or anything like that.
01:04:24.780And then when she was giving a talk in 2022, she was talking about incinerators and children
01:04:30.780being buried on the grounds and all these things. So the only two eyewitnesses we have who've made
01:04:36.460any claims about burials at Kamloops are Billy Coombs and Jesse Jules. They're both associated
01:04:42.620with Kevin Annette. They're both were alcohol, you know, seemed to have, you know, be on the
01:04:47.900Lower East Side and all sorts of, you know, on these, this is misremembering is very likely in
01:04:53.340in this case. You know, it just is, there is nothing there. And it all came to light
01:04:58.480after Sarah Bollier ran her GPR machine over that orchard and said she'd found these 215
01:05:05.700anomalies, which then of course turned out to be 200, because the archaeology department from
01:05:12.620Simon Fraser had already excavated this area, which had the 15. So if she's wrong on the 15,
01:05:19.240why couldn't she also be wrong on the 200 that she found and the septic tiles don't forget the
01:05:25.000septic tiles laid in that area all the excavations that have taken place on that site this is just
01:05:31.100an entirely implausible types of claims that are being made yet we're being intimidated0.76
01:05:37.780by these neo-tribal elites and their aboriginal industry associates to just go along with it
01:05:44.600because we're going to be called racists and deniers and colonialists if we don't go along
01:05:51.400with this obvious falsehood that is being used to manipulate everyone you know like wake up people
01:05:59.000we're coming up to the fifth anniversary it's coming up on the 27th we're having an event on
01:06:04.440the uh the ground the uh lawn of the legislature i gotta i've even got a permit to be able to hold
01:06:11.220this event and it's time to have a reckoning about the Kamloops case we must have truth about that
01:06:18.960because you know as George Orwell says you know freedom is the freedom to state that two plus two
01:06:23.480make four the remains of 215 children have not been confirmed everyone's going along like they
01:06:29.520still believe this is the case and it's obviously not it's not good for people to proceed on the
01:06:35.400base of these falsehoods. And the thing, this actually might be a funny experiment, but I know
01:06:41.380a GPR machine would probably be very expensive to get. Just going like a mile down the road,
01:06:47.620just to a random patch of ground, the same size. We've done it. We've done it. Okay. And how many
01:06:52.320documentary on the Kamloops case, which I'm currently trying to get re-edited and so on.
01:06:59.360Simon Haregott, myself, Kathy Drake, we all went to this patch of grass with a GPR expert,
01:07:04.340and we did a gpr survey and we did an excavation of that site anyway that's coming out september
01:07:10.9602026 okay cool but and and here's the thing too it's like i think that people
01:07:18.720people like just people like a story in a lot of ways and the thing is that people don't like
01:07:25.680frankly the boring reality of how life is and this is always the thing i'm not trying to go
01:07:31.500into the residential school specific issues too much but I would always say that you would
01:07:36.080immediately think somebody was up to something if they claimed that there is that the current
01:07:42.360BC public school system is an abuse mill and they would line up a bunch of real stories of people
01:07:48.420and then claim that if you deny that it's an abuse mill you're denying these stories I always
01:07:53.640find that that seems to be the game that will it's like I compare many of these people to Al
01:07:58.640sharped in they will take the general idea that racism does exist in america or has existed
01:08:04.960ergo you must believe to wanna brawley ergo you must believe the story of the crown heights riot
01:08:11.400ergo you must do this and it's always basically kind of like trauma laundering i guess you could
01:08:18.240say that effectively because something bad here happened verifiably everyone condemns ergo you
01:08:24.660cannot question Kamloops 215 because they always do that rhetorical pivot it's a it's the Mott and
01:08:31.160Bailey that that is Bailey they want to exist in that the Canadian government has not just you know
01:08:37.340it wasn't just that these institutions were imperfect and some bad actors sometimes worked
01:08:41.920at them and maybe there were some institutions that were just bad and should have been shut down
01:08:45.140and that some were good it's not they don't want that nuanced history they want to live in the nice
01:08:50.320comfortable bailey that the canadian government committed genocide and ergo they owe money but if
01:08:55.680you could if you like challenge them on that they retreat into the mot that is not nearly as
01:09:01.840comfortable to live in which is that there was some abuse that occurred and it's like well who's
01:09:06.640challenging that that's true about the current school system but you would immediately think
01:09:12.080someone was up to something if they were claiming then it was like some sort of like the state
01:09:17.600controlled conspiracy to destroy people or whatever yeah and i've even heard people like
01:09:23.520leah gazan who's this horrendous mp from winnipeg center say that people the residential school
01:09:30.760what they're calling residential school denialism which is just asking the questions that need to
01:09:35.940be asked about this deception say people are denying the that the residential schools existed
01:09:42.960like and and the words residential school denialism make it sound like that's the case
01:09:48.480because if you just kind of translated it literally that would be the case but obviously
01:09:54.380people aren't denying that the residential schools existed now some people i know some people members
01:10:00.520of my resident the research group argue that on the on the balance sheet of it the residential
01:10:07.460schools were a positive thing for Aboriginal people, especially children who were being
01:10:14.720neglected and abused in communities. It was a necessary child welfare kind of institution.
01:10:20.120I'm a little bit more, you know, open-ended about it. I'm not an expert in the entire kind of...
01:10:26.440It depends. It really depends. You're never going to fully defend a policy from 100 years ago that
01:10:33.100was probably too broad, too probably, you know, one size fits all, maybe not managed properly in
01:10:39.460a lot of cases. That's just kind of the reality of government policy throughout all of history.
01:10:45.060There's never going to be like, I'm not going to be the guy who's going to defend big government
01:10:49.760policies. You know, you know, I'm, I tend to think that, you know, probably it wasn't managed
01:10:54.460properly entirely. There's probably also some... There's virtues in... Yeah.
01:11:01.320complicated policy area you know certainly you know government sometimes should have done more
01:11:07.960there's a lot of insensitivity probably like people tended to be quite insensitive at the time
01:11:13.460about people were having a difficult uh attempts at trying to get used to circumstances which were
01:11:20.460not of their own making which you know it's not easy for people to go from a hunting and gathering
01:11:26.460kind of existence to a modern civilization. That's quite a jarring kind of circumstance to
01:11:34.280have to deal with. But the fact that there were these missteps, that doesn't mean it was a
01:11:40.700genocidal attempt to destroy the aboriginal population, which is kind of what, this is what0.93
01:11:47.000we're always kind of faced with, is this kind of leap, which is like, no, you have to have a lot
01:11:52.020more evidence for what you're claiming than what you do. But as soon as you say, well,
01:11:56.420the evidence is not very clear on this point, you get intimidated by people who are even
01:12:02.260threatening to put you in jail for what it is that you're arguing.
01:12:06.240Yeah. And what's funny with the activists is that they so often will defend elements of like the
01:12:11.260Indian Act that have not been good for the community at all. That's the kind of weirdly
01:12:15.940perverse incentive structure that has been set up for themselves, is that they defend the reserve
01:12:21.420system and they don't because of residential schools they don't put a lot of emphasis on
01:12:26.700education these days at least like you know western centric education uh there was this
01:12:32.360one school that uh you know dallas brody was kind of making fun of the name of and it's because
01:12:37.480they translated into an indigenous language and whatnot and i actually had you know she's doing
01:12:42.040her job fair enough she's she's nice a staff member from the green party asked me well well
01:12:48.140Well, we had someone, because it's in Saanich, it's Rob Botterell's riding the green MLA for Saanich, North New Orleans.
01:12:55.920And they said that, well, the Saanich, I forgot what the exact name of the tribe around that area is.
01:13:02.860But they said that the chief wants to sit down with Dallas and talk to her about her making fun of the name of the school.
01:13:09.460And I was just sitting there on my phone talking to this person, because the whole implication is you're making fun of an indigenous school for indigenous children that teaches the language.
01:13:18.140I looked up that language, the Saanich indigenous language. Five people speak it. Five. To varying
01:13:26.540levels of sufficiency. They're not teaching the language. It's like if I was teaching Russian,
01:13:31.120I'm not Russian, but I could probably translate a few phrases and teach that to people. You're not
01:13:36.960doing it. And they were like, well, what's wrong with that? Like the staffer, and fair enough,
01:13:41.460they're being genuine about it. I'm like, it's the emphasis is wrong. Why is this what we're
01:13:45.640emphasizing in a classroom setting for people that we want to succeed? Why is any time of day
01:13:51.220being taken out to learn a language that is genuinely unfunctional? And I want congratulations
01:13:57.940to people who revive nearly extinct languages and at least keep them kind of going in a form where
01:14:04.340it's a bit of a museum piece, but at least it exists. What is ever going to happen to these
01:14:10.060children if they learn fluently, they learn this language? Why do they, they're going to meet up
01:14:15.320every once in a while and seven of them are going to speak the language to each other at a reunion
01:14:19.780and that's it. Like it's, I'm sorry, you know, learning a click language or a, you know, Canary
01:14:26.160Islands whistle language is not going to help you in the modern world. Oh, and we already have
01:14:31.840serious educational problems for Aboriginal students. So teaching them a whole new thing1.00
01:14:39.160and the script, that's what really gets me. And I think that's what Dallas was sort of getting at
01:14:44.660there is that linguists they're not it's not ordinary aboriginal people who know how to
01:14:52.240pronounce these scripts it's linguist so no one knows how to pronounce these languages except
01:14:57.640for a very few number of specialized uh academic types it's not gonna if even if you wanted to
01:15:06.180preserve these languages which i think personally it's a huge waste of resources and a focus on
01:15:12.140the past instead of trying to give aboriginal students the skills where they'll be able to
01:15:19.280communicate with others all over the world not just canada but you know like no one speaks that0.58
01:15:26.500language therefore it has useful it has very very limited utility yeah and if you're going to spend
01:15:33.780all your time trying to teach people a script that they can't pronounce because they have to
01:15:39.760learn a whole new script to be able to do it that's going to take time away from the much
01:15:45.680necessary remedial work that needs to be done in terms of being able to write clearly being able
01:15:53.280to do mathematics being able to learn the whole of human history like why are we going to you know0.63
01:16:01.580encouraging aberrational people that was very narrow focus when we should be trying to bring
01:16:06.920people into the wider kind of global history which can help us all understand how we fit
01:16:13.800within everything that's happening in the world it would be like training somebody in
01:16:19.880in ancient mesopotamian it's actually technically a phonetic language it was invented to be you know
01:16:25.960everything can be broken up into parsibles and sounds even that language would have limitations
01:16:31.320on knowing how to say microchip or jet propulsion system or whatever, because it wasn't made at a
01:16:39.700time when any of that stuff was ever going to be relevant. A lot of indigenous languages would be
01:16:44.620like trying to teach people how to use ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. It was made at a time0.97
01:16:50.360when there was a much more limited amount of things that you needed words for. And now you're
01:16:54.880going to be in a world where there's the internet, you're going to try and make this language go
01:16:58.040forth that keyboards don't even want to type because it's too complicated it's like there's
01:17:03.080a reason why the japanese in have hiragana and katakana because you can't write everything in
01:17:09.160kanji you can't have a unique symbol for everything and write that crazy and you know you it just
01:17:15.400brings money for the aboriginal industry and diverts it away from all the other kind of much0.54
01:17:19.640needed programs so the neo-tribal elites the ones that go and become knowledgeable in these scripts0.87
01:17:26.440and everything they get the money they distribute it to their networks and the money doesn't go to
01:17:32.920you know develop you know deal with the fuel alcohol syndrome problem the abuse the massive
01:17:38.680amounts of abuse that are going on in these communities the terrible water the terrible
01:17:44.200housing conditions etc etc etc so you know again we have this kind of intimidation which is getting
01:17:52.440us to develop nonsensical policies that are detrimental to the aboriginal population
01:17:59.320and everyone's afraid to say anything about it because you just get this barrage of you know
01:18:05.000criticism that's very very you know trying to bring you as a racist at the bc legislature i
01:18:12.040this is i guess this like last topic we wrap up here in a second but i was at the there was a
01:18:16.600missing and murdered indigenous women's event and i went in and sat up you know on it in the back
01:18:21.720there's something else going on so it wasn't actually that well attended but and i feel bad
01:18:26.200for the people who were speaking because they often lost family members presumably somebody
01:18:30.360had been murdered or had died in an accident they never found them or whatever the problem is is
01:18:35.800that the the way people are talking is about you know european-centric criminal justice that we
01:18:43.080don't have enough like an understanding of the indigenous community and the like and the implication
01:18:50.600that it's like the western system that has done this and it's like i'm not trying to be rude every
01:18:56.840community if a white woman dies it's very likely a white man who did it but now we're acting as if
01:19:03.880like the all the entire implication is that we don't want to ever tell ourselves the truth that
01:19:07.980it's this community that needs more policing and the anti-police stance coming from activists and
01:19:14.860even family members probably kind of indoctrinated into the language of how the activists talk about
01:19:19.740this issue are basically saying, let's make the problem worse. Let's have less eyes and ears on
01:19:24.660these people in the community. The Kalaju principle was never brought up during the discussion,
01:19:30.320although people were still saying, oh my goodness, well, somebody had done something and then they
01:19:35.300were released very shortly after not connecting the dots that it's your own rhetoric around
01:19:40.020Western-centric criminal justice that is fueling the problem of letting murderers and rapists just
01:19:46.580to go free. They're violent criminals, but they haven't done something yet. So it was just a few
01:19:51.900fights. It was just a stabbing at a bar at one time. So let's let them go. I just talked to
01:19:56.320somebody from Ontario where they were letting people out of prison for a murder after five
01:20:01.520years because of good behavior. And maybe it could have been self-defense. And then they kill somebody
01:20:06.420six months later again. And it's like, oh, well, now they're going to get 10 years. It's like,
01:20:11.520oh, come on. And this is all Gladju principle stuff. Yeah. And then, you know, no. And I went
01:20:16.540to a red dress event myself in Calgary just to monitor what was being said there. And it's all
01:20:24.040just performative stuff when there's a few truths that need to be said about this issue, which is0.76
01:20:30.960one, it's not a non-Aboriginal killing Aboriginal problem. It's an Aboriginal men killing Aboriginal0.96
01:20:38.480women problem and also aboriginal men killing aboriginal men just murders generally because of
01:20:45.680the cultural problems that exist in aboriginal communities such as the fetal alcohol syndrome
01:20:52.020problem the problem that there is a lack of constraint like when you get angry you haven't
01:20:57.760really learned how to control your your emotions and just generally people being very miserable so
01:21:03.940you tend to have high rates of violence prostitution when aboriginal women leave1.00
01:21:09.620the reserves and go to the cities that's often one of the things that they're doing and that's
01:21:16.160a high risk uh occupation and that's not to blame anyone is to say you know if you're going to have0.96
01:21:23.880like a higher percentage of people aboriginal people who are engaged in prostitution you're0.99
01:21:27.940gonna the murders are going to be are going to be higher because that the problem is to try to0.54
01:21:32.580address why it is that aboriginal women are so deprived that they would have to resort to that
01:21:37.680and then the third thing is you have the um the uh the men who were released early so you have1.00
01:21:44.340like all these violent people going back into the communities well and you get the stupid sex worker0.99
01:21:48.760uh rhetoric from the people who are supposedly caring about these people immediately acting1.00
01:21:55.660like this is just some illegitimate form of employment that they were voluntarily choosing
01:22:00.480They went through the Rolodex of all the jobs they could have and they landed on this one.
01:22:04.920Not actually connecting the dots, that this is probably something tied to criminal activity and them going missing shouldn't be shocking.
01:22:12.360Like, again, you feel bad for the families, but when people are talking about how, like, oh, and then the police didn't look for them.
01:22:20.520And it's like, what are the police supposed to do?
01:22:22.800You went missing on a highway or you went missing in some druggy part of the city.
01:22:28.300who are they going to talk to all the other people who are strung out it's genuinely you're walking
01:22:32.660into a black void in terms of they can't find you because you walked into the void yeah no it's uh
01:22:39.220and it's it's sort of implied that there's there's lack of interest in investigating but
01:22:44.560no one's considering that the investigations like you need to have certain things in place to be
01:22:50.100able to make progress on investigations and people who just go into these cities and just sort of
01:22:56.320melt into the glory side or whatever you know who's going to be talking about them and where
01:23:03.280are the contacts that they're going to be able to get to be able to figure this out you know it just
01:23:07.440is instead of looking at the deprivation like that's trying to address the deprivation that's
01:23:11.980going on in various various kinds of contexts it's all about you know serial killers they want
01:23:17.020to bring up serial killers and focus on robert picton and and uh the guy who resulted in the
01:23:23.000landfill the women in the landfill um and and serial killers are a very small number of the
01:23:28.720murders that are committed uh and aboriginal women it's going to be someone you know0.68
01:23:33.120it's going to likely be an intimate partner there's a lot of violence tremendous amounts
01:23:38.960of violence in aboriginal communities why are we not focusing on addressing the violence in0.97
01:23:44.520aboriginal communities that is and you know if you proposed having police patrols and let's have a0.97
01:23:49.560permanent RCMP office in that community it would be protested immediately and they would say that
01:23:53.660that was somehow racist and another thing one last thing they even brought up is they kept
01:23:58.220whenever they kept bringing up the idea oh they wouldn't go looking for any of these women they
01:24:02.860would consider them runaways I'm like have you ever like I'm not trying to be rude here but have
01:24:06.500you ever watched a documentary about serial killers like you know John Wayne Gacy whenever
01:24:11.880they had like 19 kids go missing and every single time they'd be like probably a runaway it was kind
01:24:17.420of the it was kind of the trend at the time you could be a white blonde haired guy and you would
01:24:22.500still just be considered some runaway even if it's super sketchy how you went away it's just how
01:24:27.180policing used to be done back when it was hard to find evidence it was an easy way of just saying
01:24:31.500i must be a runaway and they wouldn't do anything about it but now we are trying to pretend this is
01:24:35.540like a special problem that specifically happens only for indigenous women yeah yeah anyways so
01:24:43.500that should be it for today's video, guys. I know this was a very, we very much started on one foot
01:24:52.800and ended on a completely different foot. But thank you, Francis, for showing up and talking
01:24:58.560today and telling us about the harrowing experience dealing with the CBC's entrapment scheme. Is there
01:25:06.240anything left you want to promote or mention? Yeah, so May 27th, I'm just going to mention
01:25:11.520again. We have been trying for five years to have the truth about the Kamloops case,
01:25:20.680the Kamloops 215 deception. I have got a permit to hold that event on 12 to 2 on the front lawn
01:25:28.860of the BC legislature. I've invited all the MLAs to come to this event. It's not completely
01:25:36.600nonpartisan and people who think that their remains of 215 children are buried, that they
01:25:41.440should come and make their case so that we can have a discussion i sent a whole bunch of invitations
01:25:46.120out to the people at the university of victoria because of course they tried to uh stop me from
01:25:53.440speak well they did they prevented me from speaking to students and faculty so uh they
01:25:59.280should come out all the activists have a discussion the time is now and we're going to have a reckoning
01:26:05.500on the canlu's case and it's going to happen on the fifth anniversary perfect well thank you for
01:26:10.960coming uh francis and definitely if something else goes down and i could see something going
01:26:15.420down at your event uh you can always come back on the show and i'd love to hear more about it
01:26:20.260okay sounds great yeah and uh thank you for for everyone for tuning in and of course i'll probably
01:26:26.080be back with another video later today but you never know what's going to be with me
01:26:29.600so until then i'll see you guys all later