The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Floor-crosser Chris d'Entremont blows himself up in CBC interview!

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here.

00:00:02.820 Well, it's official.

00:00:04.920 The Liberals and the legacy media have beat the floor-crossing story to death.

00:00:10.040 When it first happened, when Chris Dontremont crossed the floor from the Conservatives over to the Liberals,

00:00:16.100 it did make the Federal Conservatives look bad.

00:00:18.920 How could it have not made them look bad?

00:00:21.600 Whenever you lose anyone for whatever reason,

00:00:24.120 it's going to cast doubt on the leadership of the Conservative leader,

00:00:28.240 and it's going to make it seem like the brand of the Conservatives is toxic.

00:00:32.660 Look, people are going from Conservative to the Liberals.

00:00:35.860 It's a very nice political visual metaphor for how support may be shifting in the electorate.

00:00:42.660 The problem is that support really hasn't shifted in the polls.

00:00:46.480 Conservatives in Abacus Data's poll are still ahead of the Liberals,

00:00:49.820 and pretty much nothing has changed at all.

00:00:53.200 But the Liberals needed something to distract from their budget,

00:00:56.880 which is an ongoing controversy because the budget is not popular.

00:01:01.280 And so yesterday, they decided to march out Chris Dontremont to do an interview with the CBC

00:01:07.300 to attack Pierre Polyev and his poor leadership.

00:01:11.060 The problem is that Chris Dontremont didn't leave the Conservatives for good reasons.

00:01:15.900 And so he just makes himself look like a petty political hack,

00:01:19.660 rather than somebody who got morally indignant with Pierre Polyev and just had to leave the party.

00:01:25.300 So, we got to go over this interview because it was a complete train wreck,

00:01:29.700 and then I want to talk about some of the other commentary around this issue,

00:01:33.480 and why in politics you should never overplay your hand.

00:01:37.520 But, before we get into it, I just want to remind you guys that if you like the channel,

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00:02:00.860 and reply to a smattering of people here and there.

00:02:03.700 But now, let's jump on to this interview with Chris Dontremont.

00:02:07.700 He is the now Liberal MP from the Nova Scotia riding of Acadie Annapolis.

00:02:14.420 You campaigned against the Liberals just six months ago,

00:02:18.440 and now you might actually be key to handing them a majority government.

00:02:23.360 How are you personally squaring those two things?

00:02:26.700 It's hard, in a way.

00:02:29.140 I know what my positioning was during that election.

00:02:34.600 You know, people will say,

00:02:35.620 well, you know, I voted for you or the Conservatives or the platform or many different things.

00:02:41.000 Yes, very good point by the unnamed people in your riding.

00:02:46.140 Yes, they didn't really vote for Chris Dontremont.

00:02:48.740 That has been a pretty solid Conservative riding for a very long time,

00:02:52.560 and it's not because of Chris Dontremont occupying it.

00:02:55.100 Now, a good local candidate can add a lot of votes to what a party normally would have got

00:03:01.220 if they just put in some, you know, generic standard for their party in that riding.

00:03:06.600 Chris Dontremont doesn't really strike me as one of those guys

00:03:09.580 who ends up getting people to run out the doors to put a ballot in the ballot box.

00:03:14.100 Now, maybe he is, and I just don't know this,

00:03:17.060 but people do vote mostly for brands in Canada.

00:03:20.120 They were voting against the Liberals and for the change the Conservatives represented.

00:03:25.100 Many of them probably were voting for Pierre Polyev in his riding

00:03:28.000 more than they were voting for Chris Dontremont,

00:03:30.360 because although Pierre Polyev with older Canadians is not very popular,

00:03:34.640 he is very popular with young Canadians,

00:03:36.740 many of whom had not even voted until the last election.

00:03:40.180 So immediately, Chris is trying to set up this whole thing like,

00:03:43.440 well, yeah, the Conservatives had their own leader on their own platform,

00:03:46.920 which I signed on to in my literature,

00:03:48.640 would have had all the bullet points of what we wanted to do,

00:03:51.200 but I was kind of always doing my own thing.

00:03:53.740 No, you weren't, and if you were, that's kind of scummy

00:03:57.020 that you were basically saying you're going to do one thing

00:03:59.680 when in fact, you know, to other allies of you behind the scenes,

00:04:03.280 you're like, oh, yeah, of course I won't do this.

00:04:05.100 Oh, of course I won't do that.

00:04:06.100 I actually am interested in this.

00:04:07.800 That's just not transparent and frankly, very underhanded.

00:04:12.200 But I know that I did not really run on the Conservative platform.

00:04:15.900 The platform that we had, you know,

00:04:18.980 did not address some of the things that we needed here.

00:04:20.940 Phishing, of course, is always an important issue here.

00:04:24.700 We tried to stay away from, you know, pictures of the leader

00:04:27.360 and all those things because every single door

00:04:29.800 or many of those doors that we went to,

00:04:32.440 it was, Chris, I can't vote for you this time

00:04:35.380 because I don't like Pierre Polyev.

00:04:38.400 Now, I have to address this.

00:04:40.420 This is just very stupid points by Chris D'Entremont.

00:04:43.260 So first off, he just says,

00:04:44.540 well, I didn't really run on the Conservative platform.

00:04:47.120 Well, what platform did you run on?

00:04:48.520 Can you show us the platform you ran on?

00:04:50.700 Can you show us a piece of literature or your website

00:04:53.020 that would have shown us that alternative platform?

00:04:56.640 Because obviously he's lying.

00:04:58.860 Obviously he's lying.

00:05:00.740 Chris D'Entremont ran on the Conservative platform.

00:05:03.240 He ran with the coattails of Pierre Polyev,

00:05:06.900 helping him win the riding.

00:05:08.800 Now, Akkadianapolis tends to usually be a safer Conservative seat

00:05:12.500 and he only won it by 1% of the vote.

00:05:14.600 But that's more of a consequence of Jagmeet Singh

00:05:17.600 and the NDP completely collapsing

00:05:19.520 and the Liberals having an ideal news cycle to run on.

00:05:23.280 That being, you know, we need to stand up to Donald Trump

00:05:25.920 because of the tariffs and all that stuff.

00:05:27.420 And hey, look, we got rid of Justin Trudeau

00:05:29.860 when we put a sort of Conservative type Liberal

00:05:32.640 in the riding or in the leadership

00:05:35.140 in the form of Mark Carney,

00:05:36.760 who's not very Conservative at all,

00:05:38.440 but his temperament, his style seems more Conservative.

00:05:41.540 And yet he still won.

00:05:44.040 So for all the, you know, pearl-clutching about how,

00:05:47.620 well, people didn't like Polyev

00:05:49.160 and so I had to run away from him

00:05:50.900 as the leader of the party and do my own thing,

00:05:53.740 well, people still voted for you.

00:05:55.980 And him making a big deal about how we made sure

00:05:58.720 not to have images of the leader

00:06:00.600 on advertisements and our literature,

00:06:03.340 I know tons of Conservative MPs and MP candidates

00:06:06.680 who also did that.

00:06:08.000 Not because they think Polyev's a bad leader,

00:06:10.200 or it's because based on the demographics

00:06:11.920 of their riding, Polyev being at the forefront

00:06:14.600 of the campaign would sometimes help them

00:06:16.240 or it would sometimes hurt them.

00:06:18.380 That's pretty much what all parties do.

00:06:20.920 If Justin Trudeau is not very popular in Alberta,

00:06:24.320 in the last elections,

00:06:25.280 I don't really think that they would have emphasized

00:06:27.740 Justin Trudeau just as in 2023,

00:06:31.580 or I think it was the previous election, 2019,

00:06:34.040 the Alberta NDP in the provincial election

00:06:36.240 is not very popular.

00:06:37.980 But people like Rachel Notley,

00:06:39.940 so they almost de-emphasized NDP

00:06:41.720 and they put forward Team Notley.

00:06:43.760 A lot of people really like Polyev,

00:06:45.700 especially younger Canadians.

00:06:47.300 Older Canadians don't like him as much,

00:06:49.480 and certain temperamental voters

00:06:51.680 who think he's too harsh.

00:06:54.280 In that riding, you'll kind of de-emphasize

00:06:57.100 the leader a bit and maybe emphasize yourself

00:06:59.120 or emphasize just the ideas

00:07:00.660 in order to be able to win the election.

00:07:03.220 But he's acting like if there's a significant portion

00:07:06.800 of a riding who don't like Polyev,

00:07:08.620 then you're just justified in leaving

00:07:10.540 and joining the carny liberals,

00:07:12.860 even though in practice,

00:07:14.620 fewer people voted for the carny liberals

00:07:16.500 in his riding than voted for the conservatives.

00:07:20.220 But I'll let him keep going.

00:07:21.240 Oh, actually, the other thing I wanted to mention

00:07:23.240 that he said is like,

00:07:24.300 oh, we had a platform that didn't really mention

00:07:26.120 things like fishing.

00:07:27.960 What?

00:07:28.460 But he realizes that Polyev picked up two more seats

00:07:32.740 in Newfoundland and Labrador

00:07:34.160 because of the strength of the conservatives' position

00:07:37.360 on fishing,

00:07:38.820 on bringing back the seal hunt

00:07:40.780 in order to make sure that seals

00:07:42.520 are not destroying the fishing stocks

00:07:44.160 for the fishermen,

00:07:45.700 who already have to deal with very low quotas

00:07:48.160 put out by the liberal government.

00:07:50.520 The liberals have been decimating

00:07:52.160 the fishing industry,

00:07:53.120 and so Chris Dantremont

00:07:55.300 is going to falsely say

00:07:56.740 that the conservatives didn't talk

00:07:58.020 about fishing enough,

00:07:59.480 and so he joined the party

00:08:00.900 that is decimating the fishing industry.

00:08:04.060 You know what I mean,

00:08:04.980 where he's just throwing out

00:08:06.500 these popcorn excuses.

00:08:08.580 It's just random little excuse

00:08:10.180 here and there

00:08:10.860 to kind of see if you'll buy it.

00:08:12.400 He's like nickel and diming you

00:08:13.820 with a bunch of justifications

00:08:15.280 to hope that you'll cobble together

00:08:17.600 enough of the absolutely paper-thin excuses

00:08:21.240 and then think,

00:08:22.580 well, okay, I can see why he left.

00:08:24.780 I can't see why he left at all.

00:08:26.560 And really, it's the deputy speaker issue.

00:08:29.220 He was not allowed to be deputy speaker again

00:08:31.220 because the conservatives

00:08:32.020 rightfully didn't want to fill a position

00:08:34.080 that the liberals had to fill themselves

00:08:36.240 if no one else wanted to.

00:08:38.260 And because, like,

00:08:39.760 if the conservatives put up a speaker,

00:08:42.280 they put up Chris Dantremont

00:08:43.600 as the speaker or the deputy speaker,

00:08:45.340 it would have made it easier

00:08:46.700 for the liberals to pass legislation.

00:08:48.880 They didn't want to do that,

00:08:49.820 and so they didn't vote for him to be speaker.

00:08:51.960 And this was, like,

00:08:53.560 just, like, the original sin

00:08:55.360 of the conservative party

00:08:56.440 in Dantremont's mind.

00:08:58.080 So we had to try to, you know,

00:09:00.380 adapt our campaign style

00:09:02.220 to be able to try to put that to a side

00:09:05.120 and try to ignore some of those facts.

00:09:08.140 But there's a number of things

00:09:09.660 that I can attach to

00:09:10.800 within the platform

00:09:13.060 that the liberals put out.

00:09:14.320 Many times with my opponent,

00:09:17.580 Ronnie LeBlanc,

00:09:18.140 we agreed on the majority of the things.

00:09:20.960 He was agreeing with my stuff.

00:09:22.280 I was agreeing with his stuff.

00:09:24.100 So ultimately, at the end of the day,

00:09:26.140 we need to be able to enact things

00:09:28.100 that are right for our writings.

00:09:29.860 And I still think

00:09:31.440 this is the best avenue for that.

00:09:33.780 So he agreed with some generic policy

00:09:36.340 recommendations

00:09:37.640 with his liberal opponent.

00:09:39.760 And so it doesn't really matter

00:09:41.880 when you think about it

00:09:42.840 that Iran is a conservative.

00:09:43.880 I kind of agreed with Ronnie

00:09:45.420 on some things.

00:09:46.280 So why don't I just join Ronnie's party?

00:09:48.660 It's like,

00:09:49.460 well, how about you be honest

00:09:50.980 and you say that I basically lied

00:09:53.940 to my constituents.

00:09:54.780 And if they want to think

00:09:55.920 that I was a conservative champion,

00:09:57.220 I'd let them think that.

00:09:58.540 And if they want to think

00:09:59.460 that I was a secret liberal,

00:10:00.700 I'd let them think that too.

00:10:02.820 He's just describing

00:10:03.780 being a political hack.

00:10:05.380 Well, yeah, I did say something,

00:10:06.700 but I also thought something

00:10:07.760 in the back of my mind as well.

00:10:09.420 And you should have known

00:10:10.080 I also thought that.

00:10:11.180 So, yeah, it's not really a big deal

00:10:13.440 that I crossed the floor.

00:10:14.360 And in fact, somehow

00:10:15.400 this makes Polyev look bad,

00:10:17.020 even though I'm admitting

00:10:17.920 to basically being

00:10:18.860 a shallow opportunist.

00:10:21.160 Is it your intention

00:10:22.040 to run as a liberal

00:10:22.720 in the next election,

00:10:23.740 Chris D'Entremont?

00:10:24.880 I'm not sure at this point,

00:10:26.520 you know, because quite honestly,

00:10:27.780 I've been around for a long time.

00:10:29.440 You know, it was a 17-year career

00:10:30.620 as a provincial politician.

00:10:32.320 We're on the third election now,

00:10:34.460 federally,

00:10:35.320 which was probably one more

00:10:36.640 than I had expected to do.

00:10:38.140 But again, we're in minority situation.

00:10:41.220 You know, we have parties

00:10:42.320 that continue to struggle

00:10:44.260 in getting that majority going.

00:10:46.040 So, you know, like I said,

00:10:47.900 I'm 56.

00:10:48.660 I need to spend some time

00:10:50.100 at home maybe.

00:10:51.940 So, you know,

00:10:52.800 we'll talk that over

00:10:53.700 with the family

00:10:54.200 when the time comes

00:10:54.980 and just see, you know,

00:10:56.940 what the political fortunes are.

00:10:58.560 You know.

00:10:59.040 Why isn't he talking over

00:11:00.140 with his constituents?

00:11:01.340 You think that would be,

00:11:02.800 you know, an important thing

00:11:03.680 to do in all of this.

00:11:04.960 But the problem is

00:11:05.600 he's not actually discussed

00:11:07.300 any of this with his constituents.

00:11:08.400 And now he's like,

00:11:09.180 OK, well, I'll talk to my family

00:11:10.580 about whether I'm going

00:11:11.260 to run as a liberal.

00:11:12.360 How about you survey the riding

00:11:14.480 and you see if they think

00:11:16.280 it was appropriate

00:11:16.860 for you to have left over

00:11:18.240 literally nothing?

00:11:19.360 Time, you know,

00:11:20.280 a week is a long time

00:11:22.000 in politics in Canada.

00:11:24.340 Listen, thank you

00:11:25.120 for making the time

00:11:25.800 for us this morning.

00:11:26.480 I appreciate it.

00:11:27.060 Chris D'Entremont.

00:11:27.700 I appreciate it.

00:11:28.400 Thank you so much.

00:11:30.280 We have received...

00:11:32.260 Oh, this is something

00:11:33.580 actually funny to see.

00:11:35.640 So this is actually

00:11:36.660 going to set me up

00:11:37.280 to talk about another

00:11:38.060 CBC story that ended up,

00:11:39.760 again, proving that

00:11:40.720 Chris D'Entremont is a liar.

00:11:43.160 Basically, the Conservatives

00:11:44.660 called out Chris D'Entremont

00:11:46.040 for having basically concealed

00:11:48.160 all of his positions

00:11:48.980 in the election.

00:11:50.160 And then Chris D'Entremont,

00:11:51.280 after all this,

00:11:52.000 ended up firing back.

00:11:53.060 And it's funny.

00:11:53.760 You'll see what happens.

00:11:55.180 We have received a response

00:11:56.920 from Pierre Polyev's office

00:11:58.340 to what D'Entremont said

00:11:59.900 in that interview with us

00:12:00.900 about pushing and yelling

00:12:02.420 by Andrew Scheer

00:12:03.220 and Chris Warkington.

00:12:03.900 That response reads in full,

00:12:06.300 Chris D'Entremont,

00:12:07.100 who established himself

00:12:08.160 a liar after willfully

00:12:09.700 deceiving his voters,

00:12:11.320 friends, and colleagues

00:12:12.420 because he was upset

00:12:13.580 he didn't get his coveted

00:12:15.020 deputy speaker role,

00:12:16.520 is now spinning more lies

00:12:18.260 after crossing the floor.

00:12:20.460 He will fit in perfectly

00:12:21.660 in the Liberal caucus.

00:12:23.380 That statement from

00:12:24.100 the Opposition Leader's Office.

00:12:25.780 So that came out

00:12:26.900 from another story

00:12:28.760 that the CBC wrote

00:12:30.220 where they had reached out,

00:12:31.960 obviously,

00:12:32.320 to the Conservatives

00:12:33.440 on allegations

00:12:34.720 that there was

00:12:35.500 widespread bullying

00:12:36.880 going on right now

00:12:38.040 in the party.

00:12:39.340 And, you know,

00:12:39.920 obviously,

00:12:40.680 by the way,

00:12:41.800 in a big enough party,

00:12:42.700 there's probably a few bullies

00:12:43.880 who are hard to get along with.

00:12:45.340 You can be in a pretty small caucus

00:12:47.040 and you can have somebody

00:12:47.920 who's a problem.

00:12:48.940 You know,

00:12:49.100 they have like over 140 MPs

00:12:51.700 or whatever.

00:12:52.480 So like the idea

00:12:53.560 that we're going to try

00:12:54.200 and spin a tale

00:12:54.940 of someone being rude

00:12:55.840 to somebody as a big deal

00:12:57.080 is pretty mind-boggling.

00:12:59.320 But regardless,

00:12:59.880 I don't even know

00:13:00.920 any details about that stuff.

00:13:02.520 But the CBC

00:13:03.160 tried to put out

00:13:04.360 this hit piece

00:13:05.560 by Sharon Kaur

00:13:06.800 talking about

00:13:08.260 the issues

00:13:09.420 inside the Conservative Party.

00:13:11.540 And when they,

00:13:12.800 or I think that was CTV News,

00:13:14.600 I think they might have both

00:13:15.540 put it out

00:13:16.020 because it was Canadian press.

00:13:17.780 But when they wrote up the story,

00:13:19.680 there was this lurid story

00:13:22.240 about how

00:13:23.100 Andrew Scheer

00:13:24.760 and Chris

00:13:25.340 Workington

00:13:27.100 had burst in

00:13:29.540 to Chris Dantremont's

00:13:31.700 office

00:13:32.420 before he crossed the floor

00:13:33.580 and they pushed

00:13:34.500 his secretary

00:13:35.460 out of the way.

00:13:37.040 And the CBC

00:13:37.500 had to retract

00:13:38.380 and Chris Dantremont

00:13:40.040 had to admit,

00:13:40.920 no,

00:13:41.100 they didn't push

00:13:41.800 his secretary.

00:13:42.640 They didn't

00:13:43.380 lay on hands

00:13:44.520 his secretary

00:13:45.140 and like throw her

00:13:46.060 asunder.

00:13:47.360 They literally

00:13:48.180 just walked

00:13:48.860 into his office

00:13:49.560 and they said,

00:13:50.180 oh yeah,

00:13:50.460 and they almost

00:13:51.040 knocked over my secretary

00:13:52.020 who was nearby the door.

00:13:53.120 It's like,

00:13:53.660 so they walked

00:13:54.280 into your office.

00:13:55.280 What you're saying

00:13:55.800 is they walked

00:13:56.540 into your office.

00:13:57.820 Trying to make this

00:13:58.480 a dramatic story

00:13:59.440 is just demonstrating

00:14:00.860 how thin

00:14:01.740 this entire thing is.

00:14:03.140 But now I want

00:14:03.880 to move on

00:14:04.560 to a panel

00:14:06.040 where the liberals

00:14:07.000 were talking about

00:14:07.900 this story

00:14:08.880 and trying to again

00:14:10.740 make it seem

00:14:11.680 like this

00:14:12.240 is some cataclysm

00:14:13.940 for Pierre Polyev.

00:14:16.920 Actually,

00:14:17.540 before I get to that,

00:14:18.540 I need to bring up

00:14:19.320 the correction

00:14:20.040 because I did

00:14:20.600 just find it.

00:14:22.180 So this is the correction

00:14:23.060 that the CBC

00:14:23.960 had to put out

00:14:24.660 which reads,

00:14:25.540 in a previous version

00:14:26.360 of this story,

00:14:27.100 Nova Scotia MP

00:14:28.040 Chris Dontremont

00:14:29.020 told CBC News

00:14:30.240 that conservative

00:14:31.080 house leader

00:14:31.660 Andrew Scheer

00:14:32.420 and party whip

00:14:33.700 Chris Workington

00:14:34.960 pushed Dontremont's

00:14:36.280 assistant aside.

00:14:37.520 Dontremont has since

00:14:38.440 clarified to the CBC

00:14:39.540 that the conservatives

00:14:41.000 pushed open the door

00:14:41.900 to his office

00:14:42.480 almost knocking

00:14:43.680 over his assistant.

00:14:44.900 The headline

00:14:45.320 and the article

00:14:45.940 have been updated.

00:14:47.200 So originally,

00:14:48.220 he said they pushed

00:14:49.300 his assistant aside

00:14:50.720 and that turned

00:14:51.900 into they opened

00:14:52.920 the door

00:14:53.360 and she was

00:14:54.140 almost pushed aside.

00:14:55.560 Well,

00:14:56.080 that's a non-story.

00:14:57.740 That's like saying

00:14:58.560 somebody almost

00:14:59.780 shot me

00:15:00.320 because they own

00:15:01.000 a gun.

00:15:02.120 I was almost

00:15:03.120 killed by a car

00:15:04.000 because it drove

00:15:04.760 past me

00:15:05.440 and if I was

00:15:06.220 technically in front

00:15:07.000 of that car

00:15:07.520 it would have

00:15:07.920 ridden me over.

00:15:10.640 This is nothing.

00:15:13.400 But they're trying

00:15:14.100 to actually create

00:15:15.260 some sort of

00:15:15.960 leadership crisis

00:15:16.620 story out of

00:15:17.680 what is pretty

00:15:19.020 boring internal

00:15:19.800 political matters.

00:15:21.800 But now I'm just

00:15:22.620 going to jump over

00:15:23.520 to the commentary

00:15:24.260 that followed this

00:15:25.200 interview with

00:15:26.360 Chris Dontremont.

00:15:29.020 Here we go

00:15:29.960 with the panel

00:15:31.300 on the CBC

00:15:32.420 breaking down

00:15:33.500 this news.

00:15:34.580 Bring in our

00:15:35.620 Sunday scrum.

00:15:36.640 Rob Russo is

00:15:37.420 Canada correspondent

00:15:38.180 for The Economist

00:15:39.180 and former CBC

00:15:40.060 Parliamentary Bureau

00:15:40.900 Chief.

00:15:41.600 Donna McCharles

00:15:42.340 is the Ottawa

00:15:42.920 Bureau Chief

00:15:43.540 for the Toronto Star

00:15:44.440 and Aaron Wary

00:15:45.420 is a senior writer

00:15:46.920 for CBC News.

00:15:48.300 Aaron, I promised

00:15:48.900 you we were going

00:15:49.440 to start with you

00:15:50.160 this time.

00:15:50.780 I'm a woman of my word.

00:15:52.580 Obviously,

00:15:53.300 Chris Dontremont

00:15:53.880 had some pretty

00:15:55.280 critical things

00:15:56.640 to say about

00:15:57.220 his now former

00:15:58.060 party here

00:15:58.680 comparing them

00:15:59.340 to a frat party

00:16:00.200 describing the

00:16:00.900 conditions under

00:16:01.560 which he left

00:16:02.800 which the

00:16:03.520 Conservative Party

00:16:04.280 spokesperson

00:16:04.620 has denied.

00:16:06.000 I mean,

00:16:06.340 he is a liberal

00:16:07.120 now so how

00:16:07.940 much weight

00:16:08.660 do you think

00:16:09.120 there is

00:16:09.800 put on the

00:16:10.720 kinds of

00:16:11.060 criticisms

00:16:11.460 that he's

00:16:11.920 offering

00:16:12.200 of the

00:16:12.460 Conservatives?

00:16:14.760 Yeah,

00:16:15.520 look,

00:16:15.940 I mean,

00:16:16.160 I think people

00:16:16.600 are going to

00:16:17.180 judge his

00:16:17.740 comments

00:16:18.100 differently

00:16:18.460 and obviously

00:16:19.240 he's on the

00:16:19.780 other side

00:16:20.220 as you say

00:16:20.660 now so

00:16:21.040 there's

00:16:21.240 some incentive

00:16:21.780 for him

00:16:23.180 to speak

00:16:24.020 critically

00:16:24.340 of the

00:16:24.680 Conservatives.

00:16:26.520 You know,

00:16:26.980 that said,

00:16:27.680 I think

00:16:28.000 he's probably

00:16:28.740 speaking to

00:16:30.040 a conversation

00:16:30.820 that has been

00:16:31.480 ongoing really

00:16:32.420 for months

00:16:33.400 now which

00:16:33.860 is about

00:16:34.380 how

00:16:35.220 Pierre

00:16:35.540 Polyev

00:16:35.940 does

00:16:36.320 politics

00:16:36.900 and I

00:16:38.840 think it's

00:16:39.220 worth

00:16:39.520 remembering

00:16:39.960 that,

00:16:40.440 you know,

00:16:40.960 this sort

00:16:41.840 of most

00:16:42.180 recent concern

00:16:43.200 about,

00:16:43.660 you know,

00:16:43.900 unity and the

00:16:44.480 Conservative

00:16:44.820 Caucus started

00:16:45.540 with his

00:16:45.900 comments about

00:16:46.460 the RCMP

00:16:47.100 and suggesting

00:16:48.280 the idea

00:16:49.800 that the RCMP

00:16:52.200 story hurt

00:16:53.420 Pierre Polyev

00:16:54.180 or people

00:16:54.620 were like,

00:16:55.020 oh my goodness,

00:16:55.480 he doesn't

00:16:55.800 like cops

00:16:56.380 is insane.

00:16:57.820 No,

00:16:58.420 Polyev was

00:16:59.220 criticizing RCMP

00:17:00.320 leadership,

00:17:01.280 which you'd

00:17:01.760 probably hear a

00:17:02.520 lot from by

00:17:03.320 rank and file

00:17:03.900 officers if it

00:17:05.560 was off the

00:17:06.020 record.

00:17:06.540 I don't think

00:17:06.900 a lot of

00:17:07.300 rank and file

00:17:07.760 officers actually

00:17:08.740 like the RCMP

00:17:09.980 leadership

00:17:10.620 establishment.

00:17:11.960 They are often

00:17:12.740 liberal hacks

00:17:13.880 because the way

00:17:14.760 you get up

00:17:15.400 into these

00:17:15.940 higher ranks

00:17:16.500 inside the

00:17:17.000 RCMP

00:17:17.440 like becoming

00:17:18.220 the commissioner

00:17:18.780 like Brenda

00:17:19.340 Luckey was,

00:17:20.520 you end up

00:17:21.180 just being

00:17:21.860 somebody who

00:17:23.320 carries water

00:17:24.040 for the

00:17:24.560 Liberal government.

00:17:25.540 You're somebody

00:17:25.980 who doesn't

00:17:26.720 do a very

00:17:27.380 good job

00:17:27.960 investigating

00:17:28.640 corruption

00:17:29.160 inside the

00:17:29.740 government

00:17:30.040 and you

00:17:30.440 kind of

00:17:30.720 let them

00:17:31.040 get away

00:17:31.480 with it.

00:17:32.280 The idea

00:17:32.700 that this

00:17:33.040 was somehow

00:17:33.480 what kicked

00:17:34.240 it off,

00:17:34.800 sorry,

00:17:35.040 did we hear

00:17:35.640 Chris D'Entremont

00:17:36.340 mention the

00:17:36.760 RCMP thing?

00:17:37.820 The thing is

00:17:38.440 too,

00:17:38.880 his interview

00:17:39.720 which was

00:17:40.440 on,

00:17:41.280 which preceded

00:17:42.440 this panel

00:17:43.180 doesn't mention

00:17:44.100 the frat house

00:17:45.000 nature of the

00:17:45.720 party.

00:17:46.000 It seems

00:17:46.760 like,

00:17:47.020 again,

00:17:47.460 he just

00:17:47.740 has all

00:17:48.020 these popcorn

00:17:48.520 excuses for

00:17:49.300 why he's

00:17:49.900 leaving,

00:17:50.280 for all

00:17:50.540 these things

00:17:50.920 that are

00:17:51.180 vaguely

00:17:51.600 wrong,

00:17:52.440 but he

00:17:52.760 doesn't

00:17:53.020 stick to

00:17:53.660 one long

00:17:54.120 enough that

00:17:54.480 you actually

00:17:55.160 believe he

00:17:55.780 actually thinks

00:17:56.360 that that's

00:17:56.760 true.

00:17:57.560 He just

00:17:58.020 sort of

00:17:58.340 throws something

00:17:58.860 out and

00:17:59.200 then runs

00:17:59.580 away from

00:17:59.960 what he

00:18:00.180 said.

00:18:00.400 And of

00:18:00.840 course,

00:18:01.020 this guy

00:18:01.460 right here

00:18:01.820 saying,

00:18:02.460 well,

00:18:02.740 yeah,

00:18:03.000 he might

00:18:03.380 have an

00:18:03.700 incentive

00:18:04.040 to just

00:18:04.500 make up

00:18:04.900 stuff about

00:18:05.400 Polyab

00:18:05.820 now or

00:18:06.380 embellish

00:18:07.060 things that

00:18:07.720 happen,

00:18:08.400 but it

00:18:09.000 speaks to

00:18:09.640 a narrative

00:18:10.040 that we've

00:18:10.560 been trying

00:18:10.980 to spin.

00:18:11.500 They were

00:18:12.700 despicable

00:18:13.160 and had

00:18:13.560 covered up

00:18:14.040 crimes to

00:18:15.480 protect

00:18:15.940 Justin Trudeau

00:18:17.120 and that,

00:18:19.180 I think,

00:18:19.460 is what kind

00:18:19.940 of got us

00:18:21.020 to the

00:18:21.520 moment we're

00:18:21.960 at right

00:18:22.540 now.

00:18:23.780 I think

00:18:24.460 the question

00:18:26.820 of his

00:18:27.360 leadership and

00:18:28.140 how he does

00:18:28.800 politics is

00:18:29.420 something for

00:18:29.900 him to

00:18:30.540 answer,

00:18:31.840 Pierre Polyab

00:18:32.320 that is,

00:18:33.400 but I think

00:18:33.920 to a certain

00:18:35.200 extent he sort

00:18:35.760 of is what

00:18:36.180 he is at

00:18:36.600 this point

00:18:36.980 and I guess

00:18:37.740 that sort

00:18:38.400 of leaves

00:18:38.720 the question

00:18:39.220 with Conservative

00:18:39.900 MPs of

00:18:40.560 whether they

00:18:40.980 are on

00:18:41.420 board with

00:18:41.820 this or

00:18:42.100 not.

00:18:42.720 And, you

00:18:43.720 know, if

00:18:44.640 you take

00:18:45.000 Mr.

00:18:45.340 Dantremont

00:18:45.740 at his

00:18:45.940 word, he

00:18:46.540 decided at

00:18:47.460 some point

00:18:47.840 that he

00:18:48.100 wasn't on

00:18:48.480 board with

00:18:48.820 that anymore.

00:18:50.320 Tonda,

00:18:50.860 Matt

00:18:51.500 Jenneru is

00:18:52.380 an interesting

00:18:52.960 step in

00:18:53.760 all of this

00:18:54.320 because CBC

00:18:55.280 News has

00:18:55.800 reported,

00:18:56.280 and I know

00:18:56.540 the Star

00:18:56.820 has done

00:18:57.040 a lot of

00:18:57.320 excellent

00:18:57.600 reporting

00:18:58.020 around all

00:18:59.340 of the

00:18:59.660 floor

00:19:00.060 crossing and

00:19:00.660 whatnot this

00:19:01.180 week as

00:19:01.520 well,

00:19:01.780 you personally,

00:19:02.760 that Mr.

00:19:05.040 Jenneru met

00:19:05.520 with the

00:19:05.820 Prime Minister

00:19:06.320 and then

00:19:07.140 there's this

00:19:07.800 decision that

00:19:08.280 he's going

00:19:08.520 to resign

00:19:09.480 and then it

00:19:11.020 turns out

00:19:11.600 that that

00:19:11.960 resignation is

00:19:12.700 not until

00:19:13.200 the spring.

00:19:14.960 Do we think

00:19:15.800 that Conservatives

00:19:16.440 have basically

00:19:16.920 stopped the

00:19:17.820 bleeding at

00:19:18.680 this point or

00:19:19.360 do we think

00:19:20.080 that Chris

00:19:21.000 Dantremont

00:19:21.420 might be right

00:19:22.080 about the

00:19:22.980 possibility that

00:19:23.660 three or four

00:19:24.120 folks might be

00:19:24.980 on the cusp of

00:19:25.640 leaving?

00:19:25.820 It's not

00:19:28.420 really clear.

00:19:29.160 I mean,

00:19:29.280 I think these

00:19:29.940 conversations are

00:19:31.000 still in play

00:19:31.720 and I think

00:19:33.040 that Mr.

00:19:33.900 Polyev's

00:19:34.380 position is

00:19:35.460 a little,

00:19:36.040 a lot more

00:19:37.060 rockier than

00:19:37.700 perhaps most

00:19:38.460 of us had

00:19:38.880 thought.

00:19:42.000 We're literally

00:19:42.880 talking about

00:19:43.580 non-stories.

00:19:45.060 We don't know,

00:19:46.300 but that just

00:19:47.440 means that we

00:19:48.460 need to discuss

00:19:49.120 it more.

00:19:49.900 And that's the

00:19:50.280 problem.

00:19:50.800 We have an

00:19:51.340 extremely unpopular

00:19:52.200 budget out there

00:19:52.880 where half of

00:19:53.460 Canadians don't like

00:19:54.380 it, which is

00:19:54.780 actually very

00:19:55.280 uncommon for a

00:19:56.040 budget.

00:19:56.480 Yes, people

00:19:57.180 didn't like some

00:19:57.960 of the late

00:19:58.740 Justin Trudeau

00:19:59.520 budgets because

00:20:00.100 the government

00:20:00.560 had become

00:20:01.060 super unpopular.

00:20:02.440 But if you

00:20:02.760 asked people

00:20:03.400 about the

00:20:04.760 Liberals'

00:20:05.240 2019 budget

00:20:06.300 or 2020

00:20:06.900 budget or

00:20:07.980 2018 budget,

00:20:09.440 you would have

00:20:09.880 probably more

00:20:10.500 than 60% of

00:20:11.360 people saying,

00:20:11.880 oh, it sounds

00:20:12.300 good.

00:20:12.840 It sounds

00:20:13.160 pretty good.

00:20:14.060 The thing is

00:20:14.520 when you're

00:20:14.880 50-50 with a

00:20:16.300 lot of undecideds,

00:20:17.600 it means that

00:20:18.260 the budget failed

00:20:19.320 to do what

00:20:19.940 Mark Carney

00:20:20.520 thought it would

00:20:21.520 do.

00:20:22.100 That it would

00:20:22.760 be this kind

00:20:23.440 of thing that

00:20:23.900 everyone can

00:20:24.540 see something

00:20:25.060 in it that

00:20:25.620 they like.

00:20:26.620 But in fact,

00:20:27.600 most people just

00:20:28.400 see things that

00:20:28.960 they don't like.

00:20:29.740 They just see the

00:20:30.400 same issues that

00:20:31.620 Justin Trudeau had

00:20:32.360 in his late

00:20:33.120 stage budgets of

00:20:34.060 a lot of debt

00:20:34.740 and a lot of

00:20:35.600 spending to try

00:20:36.500 and spur on

00:20:37.220 demand to try

00:20:37.980 and keep the

00:20:39.020 economy limping.

00:20:40.700 And so people

00:20:41.320 don't really care

00:20:42.120 about the

00:20:42.640 investments because

00:20:43.480 really they just

00:20:44.500 see it as

00:20:44.960 spending because

00:20:46.140 Carney's slogan

00:20:47.200 of spend less

00:20:48.020 and invest more

00:20:48.660 doesn't actually

00:20:49.680 work in reality.

00:20:50.640 And we have

00:20:51.440 this panel

00:20:52.000 speaking about

00:20:53.000 nothing about

00:20:54.280 literally,

00:20:55.320 well,

00:20:55.500 Chris D'Entremont

00:20:56.040 left and met

00:20:56.800 Jennero,

00:20:57.680 says he's going

00:20:58.220 to resign in

00:20:58.660 spring.

00:20:59.040 Are those

00:20:59.540 significant stories

00:21:00.280 to talk about?

00:21:01.180 No doubt.

00:21:02.300 But this is

00:21:02.860 multiple days

00:21:03.980 after all this

00:21:04.940 has happened.

00:21:05.420 And we're

00:21:06.120 speculating based

00:21:07.120 on the absence

00:21:08.140 of evidence that

00:21:08.880 anything's going

00:21:09.360 to happen.

00:21:10.240 If Chris D'Entremont

00:21:11.140 was right that

00:21:12.080 three or four more

00:21:12.800 people were going

00:21:13.340 to leave,

00:21:14.140 you'd think they

00:21:14.520 would have left

00:21:15.040 by now.

00:21:16.120 Now,

00:21:16.540 maybe they'll

00:21:17.180 start trickling

00:21:18.020 out,

00:21:18.760 but you don't

00:21:19.400 tend to stick

00:21:20.900 around for just

00:21:21.860 another week

00:21:22.600 and then decide

00:21:23.480 to leave.

00:21:24.020 Maybe there are

00:21:24.520 negotiations going

00:21:25.420 on,

00:21:25.740 maybe there's

00:21:26.140 going to be a

00:21:26.500 flood of MPs

00:21:27.700 crossing next

00:21:28.440 week,

00:21:29.120 but we are only

00:21:30.220 talking about this

00:21:31.100 right now because

00:21:32.020 the budget isn't

00:21:33.100 performing.

00:21:34.020 If the budget

00:21:34.520 was performing

00:21:35.140 right now,

00:21:35.860 the legacy media

00:21:36.640 would like nothing

00:21:37.360 better than to

00:21:38.260 talk about how

00:21:38.880 everyone has a

00:21:39.860 sunny disposition

00:21:40.540 to what Mark

00:21:41.240 Carney is doing.

00:21:42.200 They don't,

00:21:43.080 so we're talking

00:21:43.740 about a literal

00:21:45.040 absence of evidence

00:21:46.320 in a situation

00:21:47.780 to just speculate

00:21:49.140 endlessly.

00:21:49.840 Is Polyev going

00:21:50.320 to be gone next

00:21:50.960 week?

00:21:51.780 Look at his

00:21:52.260 approval ratings.

00:21:53.280 He's actually

00:21:53.660 very popular

00:21:54.360 inside the

00:21:54.780 Conservative Party

00:21:55.340 right now.

00:21:56.100 He actually

00:21:56.520 beats Mark

00:21:57.200 Carney in a

00:21:57.880 national poll

00:21:58.600 right now in

00:21:59.220 terms of whose

00:22:00.060 party people

00:22:00.660 would vote for.

00:22:01.540 That's why the

00:22:02.040 media also loves

00:22:02.940 talking about the

00:22:04.160 approval ratings of

00:22:05.520 Polyev versus

00:22:06.300 Carney.

00:22:07.260 Personal approval

00:22:07.960 ratings don't mean

00:22:08.840 anything at the

00:22:09.860 end of the day if

00:22:10.500 more people are

00:22:11.040 going to vote for

00:22:11.540 your party than

00:22:12.140 the other guys.

00:22:13.020 You can be

00:22:13.480 technically on paper

00:22:14.400 less popular than

00:22:15.320 him, but if

00:22:16.080 people show up

00:22:16.640 and vote for

00:22:17.060 you and not

00:22:17.540 the other guy,

00:22:18.440 that's all that

00:22:18.980 matters.

00:22:19.600 Still play out

00:22:20.360 in the, I

00:22:21.480 think, the

00:22:21.980 next few weeks

00:22:22.920 ahead of his

00:22:24.220 leadership review

00:22:24.900 in January.

00:22:25.660 Look, I think

00:22:26.120 that people who

00:22:27.040 support Pierre

00:22:27.600 Poiliev within

00:22:28.540 the caucus, and

00:22:29.300 that seems to

00:22:29.920 be at this

00:22:30.560 point the

00:22:30.940 majority, would

00:22:33.120 hope that the

00:22:33.980 leadership review

00:22:34.720 would produce a

00:22:35.360 big number for

00:22:36.380 Mr. Poiliev in

00:22:37.700 support of him, and

00:22:38.380 then that would

00:22:38.940 kind of damp

00:22:39.620 down the caucus

00:22:40.600 challenges.

00:22:41.600 But here's the

00:22:42.360 thing, to Aaron's

00:22:44.080 point about this

00:22:46.060 all being galvanized

00:22:46.980 by the RCMP

00:22:47.640 leadership comments

00:22:48.560 by Mr. Poiliev

00:22:49.440 that drew sharp

00:22:50.280 criticism.

00:22:51.100 I think even

00:22:51.660 before that, and

00:22:52.620 after...

00:22:53.140 Do we have any

00:22:54.020 evidence that that

00:22:54.920 was the reason

00:22:55.720 that people, that

00:22:57.500 like Chris

00:22:58.300 Dantremont left, or

00:22:59.380 that's why people

00:23:00.120 are...

00:23:00.980 There's this phantom

00:23:02.020 group of people

00:23:02.680 turning on Poiliev.

00:23:03.920 The thing is that

00:23:04.860 we had polling

00:23:05.680 after the RCMP's

00:23:07.540 comments, and the

00:23:08.900 polling didn't

00:23:09.580 change, because

00:23:10.560 nobody cares.

00:23:11.560 The idea anyone's

00:23:12.800 going to base

00:23:13.300 their vote off

00:23:14.300 of Poiliev saying

00:23:15.680 the leadership of

00:23:17.060 the RCMP let the

00:23:18.600 liberals get away

00:23:19.220 with corruption is

00:23:20.340 ridiculous.

00:23:20.980 If anyone's putting

00:23:22.880 their vote, like

00:23:23.940 placing their vote

00:23:24.780 based on that

00:23:25.420 comment, it's

00:23:26.260 probably RCMP

00:23:27.520 officers who don't

00:23:28.580 like leadership, and

00:23:29.440 they like that

00:23:30.620 Poiliev calls out

00:23:31.440 their leadership.

00:23:32.660 You know, does

00:23:33.620 everyone like the

00:23:34.540 management at their

00:23:35.400 work?

00:23:36.160 Probably not.

00:23:37.460 And that goes

00:23:38.200 double for the RCMP

00:23:39.740 when you know so

00:23:40.780 many people above

00:23:41.780 you are only

00:23:42.660 there, not because

00:23:43.400 they're good cops,

00:23:44.280 but because they're

00:23:45.180 loyal to the

00:23:46.080 liberal government.

00:23:47.260 Not like, obviously,

00:23:48.600 police should be

00:23:49.220 loyal to the

00:23:49.860 government, but in

00:23:50.760 terms of politically

00:23:51.760 loyal.

00:23:52.740 He was re-elected in

00:23:53.960 Alberta to a seat

00:23:55.400 in the Commons.

00:23:56.120 When he returned,

00:23:57.460 all the talk about

00:23:58.380 the lessons learned

00:23:59.080 post the election

00:23:59.860 regarding tone and

00:24:00.840 whatnot seemed to

00:24:02.360 not have been

00:24:03.180 finding ground in

00:24:05.200 the way the party

00:24:06.620 and the party's

00:24:07.140 leader was

00:24:07.780 communicating.

00:24:08.480 There was never

00:24:10.160 a tone problem.

00:24:11.580 I hate this stupid

00:24:12.640 narrative that

00:24:13.480 Poiliev had a tone

00:24:14.300 problem, and that's

00:24:15.540 why he didn't win

00:24:16.360 the election.

00:24:17.240 They act like he

00:24:18.120 got blown out by

00:24:19.080 10 points.

00:24:20.360 He only lost a

00:24:21.240 popular vote by

00:24:22.120 2%, and the

00:24:23.560 actual determining

00:24:24.860 factor on who was

00:24:25.860 going to win the

00:24:26.380 minority government

00:24:27.160 was between 8,000

00:24:28.720 votes in the

00:24:29.480 closest ridings.

00:24:30.860 Poiliev was 8,000

00:24:32.460 votes in strategic

00:24:33.480 ridings away from

00:24:34.440 winning, which is not

00:24:35.360 a lot, because that

00:24:36.460 was a lot of, the

00:24:37.580 seat gap was pretty

00:24:38.600 wide, but the

00:24:39.680 seat gap is made

00:24:40.600 up by a ton of

00:24:41.460 ridings where the

00:24:42.160 Liberals were only

00:24:42.960 winning by like 300

00:24:44.600 votes or 400

00:24:45.880 votes in these big,

00:24:47.360 big federal

00:24:47.880 ridings.

00:24:48.680 The idea, though,

00:24:49.840 that it had

00:24:50.580 something to do

00:24:51.180 with tone is such

00:24:52.700 a stupid Canadian

00:24:54.620 media conclusion.

00:24:56.460 Oh, people didn't

00:24:57.260 like that he spoke

00:24:58.320 harshly about

00:24:59.000 policies.

00:24:59.820 Well, then why did

00:25:00.480 he get 41.5% of

00:25:02.300 people to vote for

00:25:03.140 him?

00:25:03.840 It's because people

00:25:04.460 actually did like it.

00:25:05.680 In fact, I would say

00:25:06.460 that areas where

00:25:07.200 Poiliev didn't

00:25:07.800 perform as well is

00:25:08.920 when his position

00:25:09.940 seemed to soften

00:25:10.700 too much.

00:25:11.400 His immigration

00:25:12.000 position was too

00:25:12.760 soft, his tax

00:25:13.500 position was too

00:25:14.140 soft, and he has

00:25:15.120 strengthened it since

00:25:15.940 then.

00:25:16.620 And since then, his

00:25:17.700 numbers have actually

00:25:18.520 kept up to the

00:25:19.320 point where in many

00:25:20.440 polling firms' data,

00:25:22.240 the Liberals have

00:25:22.860 fallen below the

00:25:23.640 Conservatives despite

00:25:24.560 the fact that they

00:25:25.340 should still be in a

00:25:26.320 honeymoon right now if

00:25:27.620 they were actually

00:25:28.080 playing their cards

00:25:28.820 right.

00:25:29.280 I think caucus

00:25:30.120 members, party

00:25:30.760 members are still

00:25:31.440 looking at a lot of

00:25:32.340 this, they're looking

00:25:32.940 at whether Mr.

00:25:33.680 Poiliev is an

00:25:34.540 effective challenger

00:25:37.260 and leader of a

00:25:38.820 government-in-waiting

00:25:39.660 to Mr. Kearney.

00:25:41.160 And I'm willing to

00:25:42.920 guess that there are a

00:25:44.040 number of caucus

00:25:44.740 members that are still

00:25:45.620 a little bit uneasy,

00:25:46.820 you know.

00:25:47.100 But the bigger

00:25:47.560 question, if you're

00:25:48.300 going to sort of take

00:25:49.200 the big leap that

00:25:50.120 Mr. Dontremont took

00:25:51.740 and not the leap that

00:25:53.320 Mr. Jennerou took in

00:25:55.480 just stepping down, is

00:25:58.120 the question of, you

00:25:59.520 know, are you willing

00:26:00.240 to run again as a

00:26:01.200 Mark Kearney liberal

00:26:02.220 slash small p progressive

00:26:04.320 small c conservative

00:26:06.160 and whether or not

00:26:08.900 your prospects look

00:26:10.400 better then?

00:26:11.340 Look, it's a huge,

00:26:12.400 it's a huge.

00:26:13.960 I can tell you right

00:26:15.200 now, if you try and

00:26:17.320 go from the Liberal

00:26:18.300 Party or the

00:26:19.480 Conservatives to the

00:26:20.200 Liberals in most of

00:26:21.540 these ridings that

00:26:22.200 were even tight, you

00:26:23.580 will lose next election.

00:26:25.460 Do you know why?

00:26:26.500 It's because the

00:26:27.660 Liberals had what we

00:26:28.720 call in the trade an

00:26:30.220 overperformance.

00:26:32.040 Maybe I'll actually

00:26:32.720 bring out the white

00:26:33.360 board in just a second

00:26:34.100 here and talk to you

00:26:35.000 guys about Academy

00:26:36.360 Annapolis as a riding

00:26:37.560 because you need to

00:26:38.780 see what the numbers

00:26:39.960 looked like.

00:26:40.540 It wasn't like the

00:26:41.240 Liberals were always

00:26:42.100 only seven points away

00:26:43.360 from winning and they

00:26:44.040 almost got there.

00:26:45.060 They just jumped up

00:26:45.980 six points and they

00:26:46.760 just need one more to

00:26:47.680 win.

00:26:48.240 This was a riding where

00:26:49.300 it was an out of the

00:26:50.800 box fluke result because

00:26:53.240 of many factors that

00:26:54.820 cannot be repeated.

00:26:56.700 Just give me a second

00:26:57.520 here, guys.

00:27:00.220 Okay, now we are back

00:27:02.080 and we are on the

00:27:03.380 whiteboard now.

00:27:04.500 So I want to go over

00:27:05.440 the 2021 results for

00:27:07.640 Academy Annapolis.

00:27:08.740 We'll just put AA at

00:27:09.740 the top so you know

00:27:10.440 you can remember that

00:27:11.700 we're talking about

00:27:12.200 this riding.

00:27:13.220 Academy Annapolis, we

00:27:14.920 got 2021's results that

00:27:17.800 had Chris Dontremont

00:27:19.260 winning and this is with

00:27:20.540 the boat anchor of a

00:27:21.900 leader, Aaron O'Toole

00:27:23.280 leading the party.

00:27:24.340 The Conservatives won by

00:27:25.880 21 percent and this

00:27:29.000 wasn't out of the realms

00:27:30.860 of possibilities in

00:27:31.640 previous elections.

00:27:32.520 In 2019, in fact, it

00:27:34.560 was pretty much the

00:27:35.720 same result.

00:27:36.340 I think he won by 19

00:27:37.700 percent.

00:27:38.080 He got 50 percent of

00:27:39.120 the vote and the

00:27:40.000 Liberals got 31 percent

00:27:41.520 of the vote.

00:27:42.520 He's been doing quite

00:27:44.100 well here.

00:27:45.580 And then in 2025, it

00:27:48.440 wasn't as much as the

00:27:49.900 Conservatives had become

00:27:51.080 deeply unpopular or

00:27:52.320 anything.

00:27:52.560 It's that the NDP, who

00:27:54.480 got 12 percent last

00:27:55.660 time, ended up

00:27:56.760 collapsing.

00:27:57.720 Did some Conservatives

00:27:58.640 go and vote for the

00:27:59.580 Liberals?

00:28:00.000 Definitely.

00:28:00.940 But remember, we had

00:28:02.300 the Liberals able to run

00:28:03.660 against Donald Trump in

00:28:04.600 this election.

00:28:05.420 They got to swap out

00:28:06.180 Justin Trudeau.

00:28:07.480 And in general, the

00:28:09.100 whole news cycle, the

00:28:10.500 whole sort of the NDP

00:28:12.400 collapsing really ended

00:28:14.220 up benefiting the

00:28:15.140 Liberals more than

00:28:16.060 anybody because the

00:28:17.320 Conservatives had kind

00:28:18.120 of already carved out

00:28:19.380 their voters around the

00:28:20.300 country.

00:28:20.980 But the Liberals got a

00:28:21.840 big, quick injection of

00:28:23.680 support from people who

00:28:25.020 desperately wanted to

00:28:26.160 thumb their nose at

00:28:26.900 Trump and were convinced

00:28:28.600 by the media in the

00:28:29.840 short term that

00:28:30.820 Polyev was somehow

00:28:31.680 going to let Trump

00:28:32.760 off scot-free.

00:28:33.900 He was going to give

00:28:34.600 away the country, which

00:28:35.580 was completely insane.

00:28:37.340 But in this last

00:28:38.080 election, you would

00:28:39.060 think, oh, what, did

00:28:39.780 Chris fall to only 40

00:28:41.560 percent?

00:28:42.080 Was he at 39 percent

00:28:43.340 and he beat the

00:28:44.100 Liberals at 38?

00:28:45.580 No.

00:28:46.320 What happened was,

00:28:47.560 Chris Dantremont, in

00:28:49.100 fact, in the last

00:28:50.320 election, had 47 percent

00:28:55.080 of the vote.

00:28:56.320 So he lost 4 percent.

00:28:59.380 He barely, actually, it's

00:29:00.200 not even 4 percent.

00:29:01.140 He lost 3.6 percent of

00:29:02.940 the vote.

00:29:03.540 And this was the

00:29:04.280 redistributed riding

00:29:05.400 boundaries because

00:29:06.160 naturally, election to

00:29:08.040 election, you'll

00:29:08.580 sometimes have riding

00:29:09.360 boundaries change.

00:29:10.220 So this isn't

00:29:11.140 technically the exact

00:29:12.160 2021 result.

00:29:13.360 This is the 2021

00:29:14.220 result if you only use

00:29:16.540 the boundaries of the

00:29:17.460 new riding or the

00:29:18.940 old riding.

00:29:20.160 And so then the

00:29:22.140 Liberals ended up

00:29:23.100 getting in Acadie,

00:29:25.060 Annapolis, this last

00:29:26.060 election, they came in

00:29:27.740 very close to

00:29:29.100 Dantremont with 46

00:29:31.200 percent of the vote.

00:29:33.680 And where did that

00:29:35.360 vote come from?

00:29:36.580 Well, the NDP got

00:29:39.440 3.6 percent of the

00:29:43.200 vote and the PPC, who

00:29:45.000 got 5 percent last

00:29:46.180 time, was actually

00:29:47.220 mostly cannibalized by

00:29:48.480 the Conservatives, most

00:29:49.380 likely, and they only

00:29:51.020 got 0.8 percent of

00:29:55.060 the vote.

00:29:56.240 Do you think that

00:29:57.500 this election result is

00:29:59.160 going to happen again?

00:30:00.880 That this one is just

00:30:01.900 going to be, this is the

00:30:02.700 new default for the

00:30:03.700 riding?

00:30:04.260 I can tell you this is

00:30:05.540 not the new default for

00:30:06.620 the riding.

00:30:07.460 That is stupid.

00:30:08.940 Ridings tend to have a

00:30:10.300 bit of a mean that they

00:30:11.220 sit around.

00:30:12.200 This riding has been

00:30:14.160 becoming more

00:30:15.180 conservative over time.

00:30:16.960 The Liberals did win

00:30:18.060 it with 60 percent of

00:30:19.380 the vote in 2015, but

00:30:21.320 that was a watershed

00:30:23.020 election where people

00:30:24.260 were tired of Stephen

00:30:25.620 Harper and they wanted

00:30:26.700 the sunny ways of

00:30:27.720 Justin Trudeau, and

00:30:29.060 literally every single

00:30:30.340 Atlantic Canadian

00:30:32.140 riding went liberal.

00:30:33.980 Since then, a lot of

00:30:35.120 Atlantic Canada is

00:30:36.420 conservative.

00:30:37.220 Conservatives, I

00:30:37.860 believe, are either 50

00:30:39.060 percent or a slight

00:30:40.080 majority of the seats

00:30:41.280 in places like New

00:30:42.440 Brunswick, Acadianapolis

00:30:44.160 is conservative in

00:30:45.040 Nova Scotia.

00:30:45.900 The conservatives

00:30:46.280 didn't do so well in

00:30:47.060 Nova Scotia in this last

00:30:47.960 election.

00:30:48.380 There's complicated

00:30:48.940 reasons for that, but

00:30:50.180 the conservatives even

00:30:50.940 gained two seats in

00:30:52.480 Newfoundland and

00:30:53.160 Labrador.

00:30:54.040 Yes, because they took

00:30:55.340 the fishing issue

00:30:56.140 seriously, unlike what

00:30:57.560 Chris Dontremont ends

00:30:58.880 up implying.

00:30:59.960 The thing is that with

00:31:01.260 this result, do you

00:31:02.180 really think, do you

00:31:03.440 really think that the

00:31:05.200 NDP is only going to

00:31:07.300 sit at 3.6 percent,

00:31:09.140 that they're not going

00:31:09.800 to be able to win

00:31:10.440 back any of the old

00:31:11.720 12 percent that they

00:31:12.740 were used to?

00:31:13.660 In the 2019 election,

00:31:16.820 the NDP, in fact,

00:31:18.340 even got, the Greens

00:31:20.580 actually in 2019 got

00:31:21.880 12.69 percent of the

00:31:23.440 vote, and the NDP

00:31:24.620 got 10 percent.

00:31:26.380 So this is a riding

00:31:27.380 where if there's real

00:31:28.760 left-wing competition,

00:31:30.460 the Liberals do worse.

00:31:32.180 But in this last

00:31:33.080 election, the NDP

00:31:34.500 effectively wasn't

00:31:35.440 renting against them,

00:31:36.720 the Greens didn't even

00:31:37.780 bother with a candidate

00:31:38.780 in the riding, and

00:31:39.800 so the Liberals

00:31:41.060 gained 16 percent.

00:31:44.060 But, again, that's not

00:31:45.640 a 16 percent that's

00:31:46.680 baked in now.

00:31:47.740 I don't think that the

00:31:48.780 people who didn't vote

00:31:49.680 NDP this time are

00:31:51.760 somehow now big

00:31:52.960 Liberal fans.

00:31:54.220 They were convinced

00:31:54.920 that to stand up to

00:31:55.880 Donald Trump, you've

00:31:56.640 got to give power over

00:31:57.780 to Mark Carney, and

00:31:59.160 hey, Mark Carney looks

00:32:00.580 better than Trudeau, and

00:32:02.060 I'm kind of tired of

00:32:02.980 Jagmeet Singh, too, so

00:32:04.360 let's give him the vote

00:32:05.440 and then we'll determine

00:32:06.400 whether or not we want

00:32:07.720 to come back.

00:32:08.280 And we've already

00:32:09.320 been seeing in the

00:32:10.440 polls, the NDP got

00:32:12.560 6 percent in the last

00:32:14.020 election, meaning that

00:32:15.140 this is an under

00:32:16.160 performance, even on

00:32:17.340 their very bad

00:32:18.080 performance in the

00:32:18.860 national election.

00:32:19.760 But they got 6 percent,

00:32:21.320 and most pollsters

00:32:22.200 already have them now

00:32:23.320 at 8 or 9 or even

00:32:25.400 10 percent.

00:32:26.540 So they're going to

00:32:27.340 come back.

00:32:28.060 So if we assume that

00:32:29.360 they're going to do just

00:32:30.580 a little bit better, in

00:32:32.160 a hypothetical next

00:32:33.320 election, you could have

00:32:35.100 it be that the

00:32:36.060 Conservatives, let's

00:32:37.120 just say, still are

00:32:38.080 only at 47 percent.

00:32:40.940 But if the NDP even

00:32:42.420 gains back half of what

00:32:44.140 it used to have, and

00:32:45.680 they end up coming in

00:32:46.940 with 6 percent, and the

00:32:49.440 Greens end up actually

00:32:50.560 bothering to run a

00:32:51.940 candidate, and even that

00:32:52.920 candidate doesn't do so

00:32:54.080 hot.

00:32:54.660 But, you know, it's a

00:32:55.920 riding that sometimes

00:32:56.960 people vote Green in,

00:32:58.180 and they get 3 percent of

00:32:59.620 the vote.

00:33:00.000 I don't even think the

00:33:00.960 TPC is going to be a

00:33:01.780 thing by the next

00:33:02.380 election, so that's

00:33:03.120 going to help out the

00:33:03.680 Conservatives a bit more

00:33:05.020 as well.

00:33:05.740 You'll be in a situation

00:33:07.220 where the Liberals will

00:33:09.780 have lost a few points

00:33:11.200 here, and will be down

00:33:12.640 to either 40 percent or

00:33:15.520 even lower, because we're

00:33:17.680 assuming that people don't

00:33:18.920 go back to voting

00:33:19.900 Conservative, which could

00:33:21.540 absolutely be a

00:33:23.260 possibility.

00:33:24.240 They could end up even

00:33:25.220 going down from 40 percent

00:33:27.280 into the 30s, and the

00:33:28.580 Conservatives could go up,

00:33:29.660 because there are a lot

00:33:30.360 of people in that

00:33:31.560 riding who traditionally

00:33:32.660 vote Conservative, who

00:33:34.140 only broke in this last

00:33:35.420 election for the

00:33:36.060 Liberals, and the

00:33:36.760 Liberals have not been

00:33:37.680 accomplishing the things

00:33:38.800 that they've promised

00:33:39.540 to, so what do you

00:33:40.840 think?

00:33:41.180 The Conservatives are

00:33:42.020 going to keep going

00:33:42.860 down in Akadiy

00:33:43.880 Annapolis?

00:33:44.800 If anything, now,

00:33:46.040 running against Chris

00:33:47.340 Dontremont, if he decides

00:33:48.680 to run again in the next

00:33:49.600 election, you're going to

00:33:50.980 activate so many

00:33:52.520 Conservative organizers

00:33:53.600 to push the vote out to

00:33:55.200 try and get rid of

00:33:56.340 Chris Dontremont.

00:33:57.580 This guy is a fool.

00:33:59.120 There are so many people

00:34:00.540 in politics who do not

00:34:01.700 understand electoral

00:34:02.760 dynamics at all.

00:34:04.080 He was complaining to

00:34:05.080 Rick Perkins and other

00:34:05.960 people, oh, I only won by

00:34:07.540 1.1 percent.

00:34:08.820 Next time, they're going

00:34:09.560 to get me.

00:34:10.560 Sorry, you think that

00:34:11.740 this is, we're not going

00:34:12.880 to go back to this type

00:34:14.140 of election?

00:34:14.880 That was the last two?

00:34:15.980 This is the new default.

00:34:17.500 New default is that the

00:34:18.980 NDP doesn't exist?

00:34:20.720 I don't think that's

00:34:22.400 correct.

00:34:23.200 The NDP are going to be

00:34:25.180 aggressive pretty much

00:34:26.120 everywhere next election

00:34:27.180 to try and claw back

00:34:28.680 their official opposition

00:34:30.060 status, or not official

00:34:31.640 opposition, their official

00:34:32.600 party status.

00:34:33.820 And that will require them

00:34:35.080 to run serious candidates

00:34:36.640 even in ridings that they

00:34:37.900 can't win in, but they

00:34:39.020 want their 12 percent back

00:34:40.500 in order to look like a

00:34:42.080 viable option nationally.

00:34:43.820 You can't just target the

00:34:45.080 ridings you want.

00:34:45.820 You need to run hard

00:34:46.780 everywhere.

00:34:47.460 And now that they have

00:34:48.540 Jagmeet Singh out of the

00:34:49.400 way, whoever becomes the

00:34:50.720 leader is probably going to

00:34:52.160 want that 12 percent back.

00:34:53.680 They're not going to say,

00:34:54.580 well, the liberals can beat

00:34:55.900 the conservatives here, so

00:34:56.900 let's let them, because

00:34:58.040 your party is going to die

00:34:59.420 if all it represents is

00:35:01.240 basically another party to

00:35:03.000 keep the conservatives out.

00:35:04.900 But anyways, because, you

00:35:05.780 know, why not just vote for

00:35:06.640 the liberals at that point

00:35:07.580 if all you stand for is not

00:35:09.120 being conservatives?

00:35:10.680 But anyways, so that should

00:35:12.460 be it for me today, guys.

00:35:13.960 Hopefully you liked this

00:35:14.900 little analysis of Chris

00:35:16.700 Dontremont.

00:35:17.440 It went on a bit long.

00:35:18.640 We brought up the white

00:35:19.340 board.

00:35:19.720 It's been a party.

00:35:21.120 Hopefully, again, you've

00:35:22.180 liked it.

00:35:22.620 Make sure to like the

00:35:23.520 video, subscribe to the

00:35:24.680 channel, leave a comment on

00:35:26.300 what you think about all

00:35:27.520 this, and I will see you

00:35:28.480 guys all next time.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - November 10, 2025

Floor-crosser Chris d'Entremont blows himself up in CBC interview!

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