The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Ford PC's support falls in polls after awful leaders debate! (debate & poll analysis)

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. So I watched the Ontario leaders debate so you don't have to.

00:00:07.800 And man, after watching that thing, I am not shocked that the turnout for this provincial

00:00:13.140 election is going to be extremely low, and that's how Doug Ford likes it. He doesn't want scrutiny,

00:00:19.960 that's why he called a snap election a year and a half early in the bitter cold to make sure that

00:00:26.380 no opposition to him actually shows up. I would urge you if you live in Ontario and you're in one

00:00:32.360 of the 108 ridings where the new blue party of Ontario has a candidate, please show up and please

00:00:38.380 vote for them so that we can register that a lot of Ontarians want principled conservatism back in

00:00:44.340 government. Even if they don't win a seat, it helps grow the party. So I want to take you through a

00:00:50.200 little bit of this Ontario leaders debate, and then I want to talk about the polling. Because despite

00:00:56.240 the fact that Ford is in the lead, he could actually lose a lot in this provincial election.

00:01:01.960 Some polls show that he's going to basically win every seat except for like a couple dozen.

00:01:06.880 Other polls show that it's actually getting kind of tight because why even show up and vote for Ford?

00:01:13.100 There is no difference between the PCs, the Liberals, and the NDP, and I'm really not exaggerating.

00:01:19.200 I'll play some of the clips that Doug Ford and Bonnie Cromby posted after the debate, but I don't want

00:01:24.660 to show you a lot of it because, frankly, nothing really happened. And that's kind of the big story

00:01:30.460 here. Nothing happened. Well, folks, we're going to have a very clear choice in this upcoming election.

00:01:36.460 This is all about leadership. We've seen what Donald Trump is going to do in the White House for the

00:01:42.380 next four years. And no matter if he puts a tariff on us today, tomorrow, next month, next year,

00:01:49.520 you know, it would devastate our economy. There's one person on that stage that's going to protect

00:01:55.360 your families, protect jobs, and protect businesses and protect communities. And that's myself.

00:02:01.340 We're going to reinvest into the economy like we did. And we saw over 850,000 jobs.

00:02:07.160 He creates jobs the way Trudeau creates jobs. He takes taxpayer money and he just craps it into

00:02:13.360 industries that he happens to like. The battery industry, the EV car industry, anything that Doug

00:02:19.280 Ford is in favor of and his lobbyists like, he will give money to. That is exactly how the Trudeau

00:02:24.580 liberals work federally. If it's a green boondoggle, they will give it money. Ford gives money to green

00:02:30.240 boondoggles all over the place, but then he markets it as pro-business to sound conservative. It's ridiculous. 0.98

00:02:36.140 The diversified trade around the world, which we did, we saw over $70 billion of investment.

00:02:42.480 But I can't do it without a strong mandate. If I get a strong mandate from the people of Ontario,

00:02:49.200 I will work harder than I've ever worked. I will fight against Donald Trump like you've never seen before.

00:02:55.380 I feel like I'm in, it's a wonderful life. And it's that scene where that guy loses the money. I'm like,

00:03:01.020 what did you do with the first mandate you had? You have a year and a half left in your massive

00:03:06.200 majority mandate. Why did you need another election? And the dirty secret as to why

00:03:12.180 Ford needed an early election is because he's not conservative. And once Pierre Polyev very likely

00:03:18.560 becomes the next prime minister of Canada, Ford's going to look pathetic next to him. He doesn't 0.95

00:03:23.820 want to run a provincial election after Polyev gets into office and starts doing actually conservative

00:03:29.260 things. And people look at Ford and say, dude, you're reminding us a lot of Justin Trudeau and how

00:03:34.680 you operate compared to Pierre Polyev. That's why Ford wants this election. But I'll move on and give

00:03:41.600 Bonnie Crombie a chance to speak just so you get the feel of what these closing statements were like. 0.99

00:03:47.660 But again, it's so pathetic. Ford's like, I need you to give me another mandate. You had one. What 0.94

00:03:53.080 did you do? Break it? You need another loan from us? But here is Ms. Crombie. 0.88

00:03:59.060 It's time for a change. A vote for Ontario's Liberals is a vote for family doctors. And how am

00:04:05.420 I going to do that? By paying them better, bringing more of them, bringing in those internationally 0.84

00:04:10.060 trained doctors that could be your children who are trained in the US or the UK. Let's bring them

00:04:15.200 back home by doubling the residency spaces by paying our nurses and our PSWs a living wage. But none of

00:04:22.740 that can happen while Doug Ford is premier. So it's time for a change.

00:04:26.200 Sorry. I guess that's not a closing statement. But you would have me fooled because literally

00:04:31.680 Doug Ford, Bonnie Crombie, Merritt Stiles, who is a Bonnie Crombie doppelganger, they look

00:04:37.180 the same. And Mike Schreiner there, he kept doing this weird squint every time he started

00:04:41.620 talking. He'd be like, Ontarians, we need communism or whatever he would say. If I'm giving these

00:04:49.240 people letter grades, everyone does not get an A. Nobody gets an A. We are shifting the goalpost

00:04:55.520 down. The best you can do is a B. If I'm giving people letter grades here, let's start off

00:05:02.560 with Doug Ford. He gets a C because he didn't fail. He didn't have a moment where he just

00:05:09.560 flopped onto the ground and died. But he also wasn't conservative at all. Literally, every

00:05:15.780 time someone would question his record from the left, he would just start talking about

00:05:19.500 how much money he has burned. I invested billions into that. I have given subsidies to this.

00:05:25.340 I did blah, blah, blah. And then the other leaders would be like, Well, you didn't subsidize

00:05:29.560 the thing I would subsidize. What the heck, Doug? Literally, the Fraser Institute, which is

00:05:35.160 a conservative slash libertarian think tank, has had to come out and say that Doug Ford is

00:05:41.300 literally worse on spending with inflation added in and without COVID spending being considered.

00:05:47.360 He is worse at spending than Kathleen Wynne was. That is how bad Doug Ford is. That you could say

00:05:53.940 technically good things about Kathleen Wynne in comparison. Obviously, Kathleen Wynne was a disaster 1.00

00:05:58.940 and started the problems. The problem is once Ford picked up the football, he didn't do anything

00:06:04.100 with it. He just spiked it. And he just pretends that because he has kept things steady, although

00:06:09.760 everything's steadily increasing and how bad it is, that means he's been doing a good job.

00:06:15.440 Do I have a merit styles thing? So I give Ford a B. Really wasn't anything going on with this guy.

00:06:21.980 Here's another Bonnie Crombie clip to give you a bit of taste of what she was doing. 1.00

00:06:26.120 If I'm giving Bonnie Crombie a letter grade, I give her a Bonnie Crombie B. Again, is she good on

00:06:32.880 policy? No. Is Ford good on policy? No. Styles? No. Shriner? No. We're not considering policy in this

00:06:39.640 election debate analysis. We are considering. Did they get the job done? Bonnie Crombie was kind

00:06:46.220 of twitchy. She reminded me of Chrystia Freeland. She landed some punches on Ford, and that's why she 1.00

00:06:51.700 gets a B because she wasn't comatose. Styles? I'll get to her later, but I'll let her talk a little bit 0.79

00:06:59.420 more. You were promised a tax cut, but you never got it. Here's what I'll do with Ontario Liberals.

00:07:05.060 I'm going to cut your taxes. Yes, your income tax, and you will pay 22% less on the first $75,000.

00:07:13.220 I'll also take the HSD off your home heating and your hydro bills, and I will build homes that are

00:07:19.540 more affordable because we're going to take off those hidden taxes, and there will be no tax on

00:07:24.460 carbon. You can take my word for it. This is the funny thing. Do you know that Bonnie Crombie is,

00:07:31.040 in fact, in certain aspects of this election, running to the right of Doug Ford? She, in fact,

00:07:37.200 at one point had to say, well, Doug's the Trudeau liberal. I'm just an Ontario liberal, but he's the

00:07:43.280 one who keeps working with Trudeau. That's how, you know, cattywampus this entire election is.

00:07:48.920 Doug Ford has a stronger connection to Justin Trudeau than Bonnie Crombie does. That's how ridiculous 0.99

00:07:55.280 this whole thing is. Do I trust her that she would actually cut taxes? No, not really. But isn't it 0.89

00:08:00.880 funny that she can run on cutting taxes because Ford, in two terms, hasn't cut taxes? 2018,

00:08:08.300 he was supposed to cut income taxes and do a lot of other stuff. In fact, taxes have gone up. He

00:08:13.080 temporarily has reduced the gas tax a little bit, and he said, made some bloated noises about how he's

00:08:19.960 going to get rid of the gas tax this time completely. I don't believe him. You know why I don't believe

00:08:24.940 him? At the same time, he was opposing the federal consumer carbon tax in court, a court case that

00:08:31.200 looks like the PCs intentionally scuffed because, in fact, they actually agree with the consumer carbon

00:08:36.620 tax. They passed their own industrial carbon tax on top of the consumer carbon tax. So if you live in

00:08:42.860 Ontario, you pay a double carbon tax, first from the refinery, and then secondly, on your actual

00:08:50.260 consumer side through the gas pump in your home heating bill. It's ridiculous what's going on in

00:08:56.300 Ontario right now. So Bonnie gets a B for having any energy at all. She's now trying to go for NDP

00:09:06.440 votes, which is extremely stupid. She's literally, like, saying, NDP voters, please come and vote for me. 0.99

00:09:14.420 Election strategy tip, never vocalize what your strategy is. Never come out and say,

00:09:19.200 I want NDP voters. What you do is you change your messaging to try and get them.

00:09:25.120 You don't just say, I want you guys. It's kind of like a birthday wish. If you say it,

00:09:31.320 you're not going to get it. Just think it and then try and maneuver towards it. But here's a small

00:09:37.780 exchange between Ford and Crombie where you saw a little bit of the fireworks of Doug Ford.

00:09:42.440 Thank you, Doug. Doug, I have one question for you, and one question only. After seven years of lies,

00:09:49.640 why should anyone trust a word you say?

00:09:54.120 Well, first of all, action speaks louder than words. And people have seen us spend over $200 billion

00:09:59.340 on infrastructure, no matter if it's $50 billion worth of hospitals or $28 billion in building roads

00:10:07.840 and highways or $70 billion in building transit. Doug, you put us into an extra $100 billion

00:10:11.080 of debt. How does any one government... Literally, we are having a debate where Ford is the liberal

00:10:17.020 arguing that his spending makes him good. And Bonnie Crombie, the liberal, is having to criticize

00:10:24.820 him for spending too much. Again, would she spend the same amount as him? Probably. But still,

00:10:29.240 my goodness. This is, again, please vote for the new blue party if you're in one of their

00:10:33.880 ridings. They have 108 candidates out of 124. Super short notice election. They were trying to get

00:10:40.400 candidates like three months ago. But obviously, a lot of people were like, obviously, there's not

00:10:43.940 going to be an election, guys. We're still a year and a half away. And the places they're missing

00:10:47.780 candidates are usually places that there's the least amount of conservative voters, like in

00:10:52.400 Parkdale High Park and Spadina and places like that. But please vote for them. Because I think

00:10:58.060 there needs to be this shocking moment on election day that, my goodness, the new blue party actually

00:11:02.500 caught 15% in some of these ridings. And $100 billion. And two and a half million people still

00:11:08.260 don't have a family doctor. Doug, Doug, Doug, a fantasy tunnel. How dumb is that, Doug? 40-year project?

00:11:16.220 Infrastructure. Okay, let's give us a chance to answer. I believe in building infrastructure.

00:11:20.160 Under the Liberals and NDP, there was nothing built. There was no subways. We're building the

00:11:24.160 largest subway extension in all of North America. We're building highways and roads and bridges.

00:11:30.820 By the way, the vast majority of the stuff has not been built. They just have plans or

00:11:34.700 released that they might build it. Because we know one thing. There's $56 billion that's

00:11:40.420 costing our economy every single year. Doug, this tunnel is a fantasy. This is a fantasy project.

00:11:49.700 It is a 40-year project. It won't be built in my lifetime. It will not alleviate any congestion.

00:11:57.000 It will bankrupt the province at $150 billion. There are alternatives. Why don't you invest in

00:12:03.400 the alternatives? Why don't you invest more in public transit? And this is where Bonnie Crombie's 0.87

00:12:07.940 ridiculous, too. Even as sometimes she argues to his right, she then swings back to exactly where 0.95

00:12:14.140 Ford is on the left and says, well, we need more buses. Like, how about you guys get real? Like,

00:12:18.320 this is one thing I will agree with Ford on. Yeah, it's good to start preventing municipalities from

00:12:23.740 taking up roads with bike lanes that ends up causing congestion. Still, that's a pretty small drop in the

00:12:30.600 bucket when it comes to trying to make it a more livable province. Again, he'll argue,

00:12:35.480 I haven't raised a tax in the entire time I've been premier, which is a lie. They have raised taxes.

00:12:42.400 He's talking about income taxes. I haven't raised income taxes. Well, of course you haven't raised

00:12:46.980 income taxes. They are effectively at the ceiling. If you raised income taxes anymore, you would just

00:12:53.020 immediately lose 100,000 actual business owners and wealthy individuals who already paid most of the

00:12:58.400 taxes. That's why he hasn't raised any taxes. It'd be like if Polyev takes over for Trudeau and then

00:13:03.860 four years later says, you know, I never raised a tax. I'm like, well, we elected you to lower them.

00:13:09.200 It's not an achievement that you suck as bad as Trudeau. And I'm very, I'm confident he will lower 0.98

00:13:14.880 taxes. But that is the big difference between a Polyev and a Ford is that Ford likes the government

00:13:21.100 revenue because he likes the power that it gives him because you can give up more money to friends

00:13:26.000 and allies and spending to try and buy voters with $200 checks. Whereas Polyev takes the perspective as I

00:13:33.180 would as a provincial, as a principled conservative, and the perspective that Jim and Belinda Kaur-Halios

00:13:38.420 would at the New Blue Party, who, by the way, Jim and Belinda, Jim specifically, are the ones who started

00:13:44.980 the Axe the Carbon Tax movement back in 2018, who opposed Patrick Brown from trying to bring in a carbon tax

00:13:52.300 into the PC Party platform in Ontario. He also started the Take Back movement of Take Back Our PC Party

00:13:58.900 that also was taken by Take Back Alberta and some other people. He's been very effective and not

00:14:04.020 enough people know about him. But those are people, Polyev and the Kaur-Halioses, will actually lower 1.00

00:14:08.860 taxes. Ford pretends that just not raising them means he's a fiscally responsible guy.

00:14:14.780 There's an alternative highway parallel. The 427 could be leveraged. Truck only lanes on the 407.

00:14:20.840 Doug, this is a fantasy that would bankrupt our province. No one believes you. You make other

00:14:26.220 promises, and you don't get it done, Doug.

00:14:29.000 Okay, that marks... It was... Yeah, and so, like, those were some of the more heated moments.

00:14:33.480 Again, that's why Crombie gets a B. Ford gets a C because he didn't mess up.

00:14:38.500 Merit Stiles, who, oh my goodness, don't make me play Merit Stiles videos.

00:14:42.380 I guess I have to play one. Okay, I'm going to have to play one. But in the time that it takes me

00:14:50.500 to bring up this video of Merit Stiles, I'm just going to comment on Mike Schreiner. Mike Schreiner's

00:14:58.140 a communist who doesn't deserve any attention or love. He was truly bad every single time he talked. 0.53

00:15:04.060 He was like, we need to reduce bureaucracy, but we should also spend more on stuff.

00:15:07.320 It was just... He's just there. It's a typical Green Party sanctimonious politician.

00:15:12.960 Here is NDP leader Merit Stiles, who looks the exact same as Bonnie Crombie, saying some stuff.

00:15:17.940 After seven long years of Doug Ford and his wasteful scandals and his broken promises,

00:15:23.440 rising costs are really hurting a lot of people in this province, and they are weakening us.

00:15:28.240 He has left us weaker than ever before.

00:15:30.820 A few weeks ago, while he was facing, and we were facing, the biggest threat that our country has

00:15:35.960 faced in generations, he decided to quit his job. Now, most people in Ontario, if you quit your job

00:15:42.360 and then you didn't show up for work the next day, you wouldn't expect to be rehired. But Doug thinks

00:15:46.840 that he deserves that. I got to tell you, you don't have to settle for this. You have the power to

00:15:53.200 change things. And I want to offer you that hope. We can fix our schools. We can build truly

00:15:59.580 affordable, permanently affordable homes.

00:16:01.840 For my own health and safety, I'm going to cut that clip off early because who cares?

00:16:06.120 By the way, guys, make sure to like the video, subscribe to the channel, and leave a comment.

00:16:10.520 I'm actually flying out to Ontario tomorrow to help the new blue party out because I put my money where

00:16:15.240 my mouth is when it comes to helping out small parties and large parties. You get a lot of influencers

00:16:20.400 out there who like to tweet online, but they don't actually hit doors. That's why I appreciate

00:16:24.680 Brittany. If you guys know Brittany, she does a lot of videos and she does a lot of podcast type

00:16:28.920 stuff, but she hits doors and leaflets and does all that stuff. It's very effective on the ground. 0.99

00:16:33.980 But yeah, Merit Stiles gets a D. She was barely there. Again, typical NDP sanctimonious performance. 1.00

00:16:42.400 What did I give Schreiner? Did I give him a D? My goodness, I should give him an F. Yeah,

00:16:46.860 Mike Schreiner gets an F. He doesn't deserve anything. Yeah, and this

00:16:50.340 is why nobody's voting. Everyone was just talking about how much money they want to spend,

00:16:55.260 and if they went after somebody else for spending too much, it was that they spent too much on this

00:17:00.200 specific project, and that money could have been burned in their favorite burning barrel. 0.87

00:17:05.580 And so this is why today's polling, or yesterday's polling, the day after the debate,

00:17:12.560 the conservatives have continued to slump further down from where they used to be just probably about

00:17:18.920 five or six days ago. For five or six days, they were actually polling around 37%, 38%, 39%.

00:17:24.420 And then going towards the debate, I think Ford had another kind of flub, went down to 35. Day after

00:17:30.980 the debate, now he's at 33. Within kind of punching distance of the liberals, this is with undecideds

00:17:37.080 added in on the Main Street poll. If you take out leaners, he does grow his lead a little bit. And then

00:17:43.720 if we go to just leaners and decided voters and we remove undecideds, he's at 39%. But that's not very

00:17:50.900 comfortable because Ford's kind of used to being above 40%. So he might win a majority government

00:17:57.720 with only 39%. Honestly, the ideal outcome, in my opinion, is for nobody to win, to have a hung parliament

00:18:06.620 where nothing gets done because that is where taxpayers are the safest right now. Because all these

00:18:12.820 parties, given a lot of power, are just going to jack up more spending. The thing I find interesting

00:18:17.720 is 6% of Ontarians say that they would vote for another party. That doesn't mean they're actually

00:18:23.300 going to turn out and vote. The other vote is always hard to gauge. Really, it just sounds like 6% of

00:18:28.700 people who even bother taking the poll because a lot of poly of federal conservatives are just going

00:18:34.840 to pick up the phone. Here it's about a provincial election. I'm like, oh goodness, it's Ford

00:18:38.520 and like Stiles and Crombie and hang up. This is, I don't usually like to show the data charts from

00:18:44.540 Main Street because you do have to pay for these polls and they don't want you like splashing around 0.99

00:18:48.060 the results everywhere. But I always usually just highlight a couple of things I find particularly

00:18:52.340 interesting. Look at this. When I break it down by region, where this other vote is coming from,

00:18:59.240 Niagara, Hamilton, Niagara, and Waterloo, 14.1% of voters say they would vote for other.

00:19:07.160 And that's with 139 people polled. That's not too bad. 230 people polled southwest and north Ontario,

00:19:14.640 15% of people, almost double what we're voting green, would vote for another party. Maybe that's 0.97

00:19:22.840 mostly Ontario. The thing I find interesting is where other doesn't do well, and it's not shockingly

00:19:28.100 where there's not a lot of blue candidates, new blue candidates, is in Toronto. Because right now in

00:19:33.720 the province of Ontario, the voters who, while they might be undecided, they're not unsatisfied with

00:19:40.700 their top three options of the Liberals, NDP, and the PCs. Because each party is a leftist grab bag

00:19:48.660 of different things that they'll throw money at. And so these voters might not know who they're voting

00:19:53.200 for, but they definitely don't want the principled conservative option. But if you go to the conservative

00:19:58.160 parts of the province, that's where people are saying, I'd like to vote for somebody else, because all of 0.99

00:20:04.220 these options suck. So that's my last pitch on voting new blue guys. All these options suck, and you've got 1.00

00:20:10.800 to indicate it to the political establishment. Especially if turnout is low, you showing up is going to beef 1.00

00:20:17.000 up how much your vote adds to the percentage that the new blue party gets. And I think that is important

00:20:22.560 for voters to see that in their riding, an unknown new blue candidate, who is working hard, they're hitting

00:20:28.460 the doors, they're doing as much as they can, could get 10%, could get 12%. And maybe people take notice, and we

00:20:34.940 can get something going in Ontario the same way that the Conservative Party kicked off in BC to have an actual

00:20:41.680 option in the next race. But every election matters. There's no such thing as the election where change isn't going

00:20:47.560 to happen. There are elections where you're preparing for the change to happen, and the election where you

00:20:52.960 cash in on that change actually occurring, but you have to run as hard as you can every single time, or

00:20:59.140 people aren't going to trust that you're actually committed. Anyways, so that's it for me today, guys.

00:21:06.500 My goodness, I couldn't believe having to vote in this Ontario election. So more power to you if you

00:21:11.860 actually show up and vote new blue. But that should be it for me today, guys. Like the video, subscribe to the

00:21:17.340 channel, leave a comment. See you guys later.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - February 19, 2025

Ford PC's support falls in polls after awful leaders debate! (debate & poll analysis)

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