The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Honking for Freedom- TNT and Diverge Media Interview Author Benjamin J Dichter

00:00:00.000 okay welcome everyone to a special episode of tnt live i am daniel boardman and i the only one

00:00:08.480 class you know now there's some other people here so with us today our special guest is

00:00:12.880 benjamin dichter bj dichter the spokesperson for the freedom convoy whose new book just hit number

00:00:17.960 one on amazon honking for freedom which gives you a behind the scenes take on the freedom convoy

00:00:23.200 but also with us is greg stanley of diverge media who we are teaming up with

00:00:27.300 uh one because i really respect greg and diverge and the work they've done uh but two like i was

00:00:33.380 very close to on the ground i was like in a lot of this i was in ottawa you know i have some a bit of

00:00:39.520 behind the scenes uh stuff so there's a lot of information that i just kind of take for granted

00:00:45.420 behind the scenes and i don't it's hard to parse out what the outsider knows and what the insider

00:00:50.080 might know so i figured why not team up with greg who was covering this from afar who saw the live

00:00:56.020 streams is following the commission closely has zone coverage and sort of um tag team this interview

00:01:01.980 where we can uh you know get to uh the reality of it so uh greg thanks for helping out thanks for

00:01:08.740 joining us um you know and if you guys aren't familiar with diverge media um i i suggest go check

00:01:13.900 it out if you want to support truly independent um canadian media um you know like subscribe blah blah

00:01:20.500 to the national telegraph also uh diverge media so without further ado benjamin james dichter bj

00:01:27.340 how are you doing how's it how's it does it feel good to finally have this thing out

00:01:31.520 uh it does i love your pitch it's uh yeah blah blah blah just follow the links you're an amazing 0.84

00:01:41.140 bitch man uh yeah it does it feels um a little bit of the of a weight off my shoulders although 0.98

00:01:48.580 um i i imagine the book will make a couple of people a little bit uneasy and uncomfortable but 0.94

00:01:55.300 again the feedback i've been getting has been amazing there's been a whole bunch of people that

00:01:58.900 read it the first day which was shocking and uh just very emotive very supportive messages about they

00:02:06.900 laughed they cried uh it struck home with them you know emotionally and personally and all that sort

00:02:12.420 of stuff so it was um it's quite cool it's uh it's been amazing yeah that's great so um i think a lot

00:02:21.940 of people might be expecting uh considering the last few weeks a bit more uh mudsling but the book does

00:02:27.700 not really focus on the recent drama around the emergencies act and all that it am i correct to say you

00:02:34.500 know i've i've ordered a copy but it uh uh it hasn't uh arrived yet uh it's more the the story of

00:02:41.380 of the freedom convoy and not so much the uh current emergencies act shenanigans is that is that an

00:02:48.420 accurate description yeah because remember the manuscript for the book was finished uh several

00:02:54.820 months ago and uh we've just been doing edit after edit after edit and um we didn't we just wanted to

00:03:02.020 finish at basically bitcoin uh at the bitcoin part and then have a conclusion and there were some

00:03:08.820 chapters we omitted there were some stories we omitted like you know you you guys after both you

00:03:14.420 and wyatt after you had been embedded in the uh the freedom convoy which would be very interesting to

00:03:20.340 know your opinions of what you saw in terms of testimony because you were there yourself but um you

00:03:26.580 know going down to the the bitcoin conference in bitcoin miami i mean we were going to talk about

00:03:32.180 that too but that really wasn't relevant to the core uh essence of the story which will all was all

00:03:37.380 about emotion and love and freedom and as you call it the hippy dippy stuff but it's important but yeah

00:03:45.220 well it's not bullshit it's it's important those are the things that made the freedom convoy unique that's

00:03:52.340 what made it strong uh the fact that we were able to all come together around you know these these

00:03:57.700 values of of love and hope and freedom and stuff uh so i wanted to to focus on that end of it and make

00:04:05.780 it just all the positive things that transpired during the freedom convoy and i think we did a good

00:04:11.620 job but uh you'll let me know after you read it i should you should have told me i would have given you a copy

00:04:16.340 oh well okay well uh you could i can cancel the order and you can send it to me that's uh

00:04:23.540 i will say i i cheated on you i went i got this book that came out today my nerdy fantasy whatever

00:04:29.140 whatever stuff that's what i've been reading animal writing an article today on uh mass mandates so

00:04:37.860 of how cool i am yeah yeah no i sent a copy to um uh i mean jordan peterson got a copy rupa

00:04:46.100 subaromania got a copy and a couple of other people people just want to review it and want

00:04:50.500 to talk about it a little bit later on um and i think we'll be doing some articles and uh so yeah

00:04:58.180 if you want a copy for the national telegraph for you and the the great editing team at tnt to review

00:05:06.260 and report on same for you uh greg at diverge if you guys want copies i'll uh i'll send you one you

00:05:12.020 can take a look at it i'll pay i'll pay for it i'll be a good boy all right okay i appreciate

00:05:20.020 all right so i think it's a good place we got to cover so you know

00:05:26.820 so i think it's a good place to pass it off to greg because what like you're you're the outsider here

00:05:31.060 and i was very you know orbiting around so like as i guess well i'll let you ask the questions that you

00:05:38.660 find most pressing oh no pressure okay well you were on the ground uh my understanding is i guess

00:05:46.420 this would be to bj but there was three runners that when you were broke uh your leg you had three

00:05:53.220 different runners you said in your testimony down on the ground and then relaying information back to

00:05:58.500 you so one of those was daniel and one of those was solomon sema was the who was the other one was a

00:06:04.500 wyatt uh no it was actually dagney so okay dagney which there's a whole bunch of controversy around

00:06:12.180 dagney because i don't know she's a liberal whatever like i knew like i knew if the conservatives

00:06:18.500 were trying to push her on us and uh she managed to i i didn't know it's a little bit of background

00:06:26.740 just for clarification because people are attacking me all the time oh you had an obama staffer there it's

00:06:32.180 like it's like barack obama himself was in the hotel it's kind of how they treat it uh the

00:06:37.300 conservative party tried to get dagney and i didn't know the name they just said a girl and i didn't

00:06:42.980 pay attention to their email because it's from the conservative party i don't really care what they

00:06:46.980 think to be entirely honest and um they said they have a girl and i said no thanks we have messaging

00:06:52.580 down pat that's why it's gone global if we need somebody uh i'll let somebody else know and then you

00:06:59.540 know a week after we got there things got a little busy and tamara walks into my room with dagney and 0.98

00:07:05.620 says she's got uh pr experience political pr experience so i gave her kind of like the 32nd so

00:07:12.020 just to interject there who introduced dagney to tamara that i don't know huh okay because that's 0.99

00:07:19.540 immediately what goes through my mind it's like they sent so just to back that up there's emails sent to

00:07:25.460 you suggesting like dagney should be a part of public relations messaging in january in january before

00:07:31.700 we even got to uh ottawa okay and then you're in ottawa how long before dagney shows up with tamara

00:07:40.420 so i can remember the date correctly i think around february 6-ish okay something like that so

00:07:48.660 this is right in that time frame i don't even need to say anything to you

00:07:51.460 but uh you know the fourth to the seventh that kind of area okay so dagney comes in and continue

00:07:58.980 sorry i cut you off there so dagney comes in and i gave her the uh you know kind of the 30 second

00:08:04.260 uh interview that you give people when i mean i've been in those business positions believe it or not

00:08:11.300 in the past and we just got to size somebody up quickly and you know she she had some like she had

00:08:16.500 proper pr training she knew her stuff she understood how to message and i gave her a test 0.98

00:08:21.220 and i said okay well listen i need to do a presser on i can't remember the issue was uh i said go do a

00:08:27.540 presser and uh just bring it back to me in like an hour or something let me see how it is and i did it

00:08:34.980 and she came back like a half hour 45 minutes later and i'm like wow this is really good and like it's a

00:08:40.260 little too government bureaucratic but it's good so let's just kind of you know modify it a little

00:08:46.020 bit and uh get some of the terminology that i would use an oppressor or in um any sort of communications

00:08:52.820 we put it in put it out there and she was great so she was there for i don't know a day or two days

00:08:57.700 or something like that then i hear rebel news sheila gun reid and ezra levant and who is this obama

00:09:03.380 person that's there and i'm like i don't know ask the conservative party because like i didn't realize

00:09:09.460 it's a laughter that it was that girl and she came into my room she was doing the running in 0.99

00:09:14.340 the morning she came up at i don't know nine ten o'clock and i said uh hey dagny dagny i got a

00:09:20.980 question for you are you liberal obama something you didn't tell me and she said she kind of rolled

00:09:27.860 her eyes like yes i was like okay what do you mean you were explained she says i was 19 years old

00:09:34.980 living alone like out of my parents house and whatever sort of issues she had she went out on 0.96

00:09:40.740 her own at a very young age and you know i saw i'm young i'm kind of you know we're all liberal

00:09:48.660 when we're younger wanted to change the world saw messaging this you know that's how she got into

00:09:53.140 politics she got sucked into it and uh the last straw for her was all covid stuff and the mandates and

00:10:00.100 that's when she said she's out like okay at that point i've been working for with her for a couple

00:10:04.980 of days and all these experts that you know on the war campaign who know about running large staff

00:10:11.860 in the middle of chaos as you're fighting with the government it's like i'm sorry dude there was you

00:10:16.980 were limited in in the number of resources we had she worked out great and uh she told me that was her 0.87

00:10:23.940 story so i gave her the benefit of the doubt and you know what she worked out great for the rest of the 0.99

00:10:27.220 time from a communication standpoint she was fine and so just the bad story my kids came in that's

00:10:33.220 if you see me distracted and so now dagny were you running ideas off of other people when you were

00:10:40.580 doing the pr with dagny like to balance things out okay so so you didn't know until after that's

00:10:47.940 that's the takeaway from that when so you found out a few days after yeah once we issued a press

00:10:53.940 because we're trying to get a hold of messaging because everybody in the world was calling their

00:10:58.500 own press conferences like a a guy who was supposed to be watching some trucks named tom tom razo i have

00:11:04.820 no idea where the hell he came from and he's like i'm just gonna be a ghost no one will know i was ever 0.66

00:11:09.780 here i'm like all right great he's he's the worst ghost i've ever seen he keeps coming back to haunt you

00:11:16.100 but um i uh i thought okay great so all these people started doing their own ad hoc conferences

00:11:22.660 and i'm like okay we got to get a hold of this we need to issue a press release called tamara you know

00:11:28.020 again we talked like 20 times a day and i said okay tamara we got to issue a presser just to get the

00:11:33.700 messaging uh under control and she said cool i said i'm gonna put um myself uh dagny you as a messaging

00:11:43.780 contact point is there anybody else you want to put and she said oh put chris barber i said okay

00:11:49.220 so we'll put the four of us on there all messaging comes from us and just because chris was dealing

00:11:53.940 with trucks right on the ground he had the most uh as i said in testimony he actually had moral

00:11:59.380 persuasion so uh those were the four that we put on the um on the press release just to kind of you

00:12:06.260 know air the open up the lines of communication because at that point it was just myself and tamara

00:12:12.180 because that's that's who was listed on the gofundme it was the two of us so all the media inquiries

00:12:17.380 were coming to her or me and anything that was coming to her she was sending to me so i was

00:12:22.740 getting 100 of everything i'm like okay well let's kind of you know division of labor a little bit uh

00:12:27.620 dagny's good with messaging she's helping the pr whatever so that's kind of how the framework came

00:12:31.860 about so when did you get on the ground then daniel so you broke your leg was it the fourth

00:12:37.220 i broke my leg on the fourth yeah so he and then you show up when

00:12:45.460 i wasn't there at the beginning it's like we knew if we were covering before it's sort of

00:12:51.060 i don't remember what date i came in because i i wasn't sort of staying in the adjacent room until

00:12:56.020 after he broke the leg because solomon and i had gone down together before that and gone for a couple of

00:13:01.540 days to live stream and do this and then once we kind of got the feeling that like okay this isn't

00:13:08.500 like a thing it's uh like it's it's it's the thing um we made a trip back to toronto grab more supplies

00:13:16.820 came back in and and i think that's what i'm gonna tell you daniel you were there and then you left and

00:13:23.060 then you came back right so you were there pretty early from what i remember yeah i was there like

00:13:28.980 not at the beginning when the trucks were moving in but like the end of the first week um you know

00:13:36.580 and like talked in uh to like i actually brought a bunch of stand-up comedians around and did like

00:13:41.380 a comedy show on the main stage um as as part of like a freedom comedy show it was like the original

00:13:47.060 thing i did and then stayed for um a couple of days covering and live streaming um and then like

00:13:52.020 went back for like more supplies and to grab equipment and and whatever to be like okay

00:13:57.060 like to hunker down like i'm gonna need more than like three pairs of clothes um uh to to do this so

00:14:04.100 like let me okay i i didn't have a razor i'm like okay let's let's let's grab all this um and then it

00:14:09.700 kind of became like a thing where like okay ben had broken his leg so he couldn't move and he had

00:14:14.660 like you know two like the hotel he added like a different room on the side so solomon and i uh stayed

00:14:21.860 there and like you know we would essentially well hold on hold on what that was just so we're clear

00:14:27.780 about who the spokesperson was for this convoy that was the media room yeah tom raza wasn't sleeping in

00:14:34.740 that room daniel boardman and salmon were sleeping in that room because that was adjacent to my room

00:14:40.980 and the reason we put made that the media room was because it was difficult for me to get around so that

00:14:46.820 second hotel room didn't actually have beds in it it was like a conference room next to a hotel room

00:14:52.820 and that's where we did all the media yes that's that's what yeah sorry yeah sorry from the uh so

00:15:00.340 you the first weekend you show up and then you come back like a few days later with more supplies what

00:15:06.100 was the feeling on the ground i guess from the first day you showed up like the uh i guess and then

00:15:11.860 kind of where that situates in time frame and then coming back was there anything different was uh

00:15:18.340 what is the differences it was quite like i came in near the beginning so i came in and like during

00:15:23.220 the day when we first came in it was at the point where it was just like jubilation and honking right and

00:15:29.060 like um it you know it was amazing you just saw how much it sprawled and you get off um and there's

00:15:37.540 people with canadian flags everywhere and like this like from saskatchewan it's like you know

00:15:43.540 barbecuing and you know everyone's just so friendly and offering things and this covered in snow but

00:15:49.620 there's just everywhere there's covered in snow you you see like three to four people just individually

00:15:53.700 grabbing snow shovels and and clearing out the roads and um you know just just making the city

00:16:00.100 quite livable and clean like it was chaotic but incredibly and by the way i have pictures of that

00:16:05.860 and you'll notice this in the pictures that i have i posted some on twitter you know what you don't

00:16:10.180 see you don't see any blocked streets you do see lots of streets in the downtown core where the

00:16:16.580 parking is taken up with some with some um big rigs that are bob tailing meaning there's no trailer

00:16:23.300 attached but the only street that was actually blocked was wellington street the rest of the

00:16:28.980 residential commercial streets there was there was a there was a there was a single lane across well

00:16:35.460 there was still a path yeah there was still that's kind of the big misconception right that the whole

00:16:40.100 narrative at the public order emergency commission is running with is that it started good and then

00:16:46.820 got worse uh but i mean that's why i'm asking so what like you're saying lanes were open a lot of

00:16:55.140 excitement so when you're first there was there honking because that's the big one right yeah lots of

00:16:59.780 honking like not at night but during the day like before the injunction during the day it was like

00:17:04.420 honking for freedom it was like it was it was localized to the stage it was around the stager

00:17:09.380 it wasn't around the whole city that's the whole problem it was like it was yes it was on wellington

00:17:14.260 but i also say there was there was honking in like a a a sort of a few block radius of that like

00:17:20.580 in in the in the downtown but no one was there right so it wasn't these weren't like residential

00:17:24.820 neighborhoods where like the city was paralyzed yeah so that's one of the things that hasn't come up

00:17:29.060 and just want you to elaborate on that a little bit because as a casual observer

00:17:34.980 they're not laying out the mats they're not laying out like here's the streets here's what buildings

00:17:39.060 were on it they just keep repeating and repeating and repeating and if you repeat something totally

00:17:43.860 enough times right then people will like totally believe it but the residential area that they keep

00:17:50.580 talking about what's actually in these streets in the area because my understanding is it's a pretty

00:17:55.220 commercial area there wasn't really a lot of resident not to say that there isn't any residential

00:18:00.660 but in the grand scheme of things it's not a residential area as they're referring to it that's

00:18:04.420 my understanding no it it wasn't it was it's like it's residential like the same way that um downtown

00:18:11.860 manhattan is on the commercial centers like around wall street is that residential no that's commercial

00:18:18.900 uh that's a commercial neighborhood and there may be the odd residential building but that's to call

00:18:26.740 it a residential neighborhood is just a lie and what's frustrating is you know there's supposed to be

00:18:32.740 a side that's defending us they're not saying this they're ceding grounds to all the narrative from the

00:18:42.900 other side which is why i couldn't deal with them anymore you mind if i just respond into the record on

00:18:46.820 that that note so to the letter that was sent from tamara i say from tamara loosely because it was

00:18:53.220 my understanding from testimony that's emerges it was worked back and forth drafts between the mayor's

00:18:58.820 office itself and legal counsel keith wilson and team and co and they worked out the wording on this

00:19:05.780 and what one of the lines is is that we have to stay in ottawa for the long haul to reach our destination

00:19:11.380 but then they go on to say many of the citizens and businesses in ottawa have been cheering us on

00:19:16.900 but we were also disturbing others so this they're feeding this narrative even in their letter to

00:19:24.500 the the mayor so this is why i'm bringing this up because i said when i had my interview with jim is

00:19:30.500 i don't see any difference in the narrative coming out of the government lawyers and and everybody that

00:19:37.220 wanted the justification for the ea and the narrative that's coming from the the justice center and the

00:19:43.060 the lawyers representing the protesters other than one caveat which is but the threshold wasn't met

00:19:49.780 it seems like that seeded ground we're talking about like yes they were disturbing others it got

00:19:54.340 worse there was all these affinity groups we didn't know who it was all lies all lies so when you're

00:20:00.100 saying just to back this up though before we get carried away it started chaotic there's honking stuff

00:20:07.060 it got better as time went on the injunction came in it cleaned up if anything it didn't get worse

00:20:13.300 am i understanding that correctly it was pretty quiet by the time that the injunction came around anyways

00:20:18.180 right remember all these guys you know many of these truckers had their families in their trucks uh

00:20:24.340 their kids need to sleep as well as they need to uh so this fantasy that these phantom truckers seem to

00:20:32.340 have this amazing ability that they don't need to don't need to sleep it is is complete nonsense

00:20:39.700 it's complete if anybody would hey hey bj but when you're seeing a city you have some crazy energy

00:20:47.380 hold on that's important that's important because what the government is trying to tell people

00:20:54.580 that a whole large group of mad max truckers came to ottawa to overthrow the government from alberta

00:21:04.580 and didn't bring one weapon they're staying ever crazy people are best do they know what conservatives

00:21:13.460 are like that they've never met one like this you have to believe in order to believe the convoy was in

00:21:20.260 any way what the government and what the liberals are trying to frame you have to believe that

00:21:24.740 seeks are white supremacists you have to believe that conservative truckers who want to overthrow the

00:21:30.180 government would come so unarmed and that illegal parking i would say illegally bylaw infractions in

00:21:39.540 parking is warranted to bring in martial law canada's equivalent of martial law that's what you would have

00:21:47.140 to believe it's crazy well to be fair the liberals get really scared of any guy that wears carhartt

00:21:53.060 so that's all you gotta do it's it's basically an instant way they're like i don't know i don't

00:21:58.500 think there's any bridge that can we can't though they're too different vegan i don't know that doesn't

00:22:03.460 look vegan to me man so sorry daniel and then you installment are going out honking uh in the timeline so

00:22:11.060 daniel let him finish no no okay well i was just gonna say and you and solomon were going out

00:22:18.020 together yeah uh kind of reporting back yeah so if you want to bounce back to where you're going to go

00:22:23.700 with that anyways but you and solomon were going out on the ground and reporting back what you were

00:22:28.020 seeing to bj who was incapacitated at the time yeah and and other people like um who would come in in

00:22:35.300 the convoy uh thing like so you know it was yeah what you see in the ground one of the things i also

00:22:40.100 like doing is i would go and interview the truckers sometimes on camera sometimes off camera

00:22:44.100 like the truck is like what morale you know what are you there for like when the gofundme got

00:22:48.660 canceled like is this you know do some some journalism stuff just talk to them and get a sense of

00:22:54.260 what they're doing and and and and beat on the street so yeah i um you know report back and

00:23:00.020 interview and and see what's going on and uh and all that salman especially near the end was a lot

00:23:05.700 more tactical in his um approach because he again he was right about literally everything the police

00:23:11.860 were doing near the end he was saying you're losing here you'd be like uh tomorrow they're going to set

00:23:17.300 up blocks here here and here they're going to put pylons here and you see cops there and it's like

00:23:21.620 listen to me and do this and i'd be like the first of like okay someone i believe what you're saying

00:23:26.100 and then you know every day we'd go and he'd like come and show me like see remember i said

00:23:29.860 there'd be pylons there and cops there i'd be like yeah you did um okay so with every day him

00:23:35.700 predicting with 100 accuracy um what what the police were going to do uh it started to be a bit more

00:23:42.180 like okay um you know uh let's listen here and i think someone was probably the main advisor um uh who

00:23:49.380 kind of i guess swayed ben into really understanding that kenneling the trucks onto wellington and i want

00:23:55.860 yeah that's a really important part because that was kind of where i was going with this is

00:24:00.180 solomon brought it up with was it you daniel and you relayed that back to benjamin or how that shake

00:24:04.820 out but he brought up the fact that he goes listen this whole deal he was very concerned about this

00:24:11.140 he goes it's not a deal they're going to kettle you in on wellington i'm paraphrasing obviously

00:24:15.700 but they're going to kettle you in they're going to beat the crap out of you and then there'll be a

00:24:18.740 mass arrest and there'll be the end of things and that was the messaging you got when you said look

00:24:25.380 listen there is no deal you found out dean french the former uh chief of staff for the premier who

00:24:31.620 was responsible for a lot of the mandates people were frustrated about and this is another thing i

00:24:35.780 want to bring up but everyone keeps making it about federal mandates at the commission i think it's safe

00:24:41.540 to say it was about all mandates and then maybe the can arrive can app was the straw that broke the

00:24:47.780 camel's back so i don't want to get too much uh the questions in the uh the lurch here and make murky

00:24:54.260 things up but just leave it at that so solomon gave you this advice and then kind of how did that

00:25:00.020 shake out when did he mention the his concerns and then around the deal there how did that kind of

00:25:05.300 happen as soon as he got wind like we all put this we'll go back first when they started going to the

00:25:13.780 city with dean french and talking to the city we didn't know i mean chad will confirm that we they

00:25:18.740 were told they told us after the fact and they didn't tell us oh we had been going to the city

00:25:25.060 they told us oh yeah we're gonna go to the city and i said to uh our lawyer at the time i said uh no

00:25:32.100 you're not you're not gonna do that that's the stupidest thing i've ever i've ever heard so as our uh 0.87

00:25:39.620 lawyer in a class action suit so i don't even know who you are to think you even have um a mandate on 0.99

00:25:46.580 this you're here for the class action so sit down and shut up and let us do our thing but 0.71

00:25:52.820 he just doesn't didn't matter oh but we have to show a uh sign of good faith to the city i'm like

00:25:59.300 uh we as too many people you need to go and be a lawyer we need to run a protest but man but then

00:26:08.260 somebody screamed the word camera and he ran right that's usually what happens yeah i mean what what i

00:26:15.060 found so fascinating but like again because like my days you know we'd have breakfast um you know i

00:26:20.420 would i would go do some filming do some work write articles do my national telegraph job uh and then go

00:26:26.580 back and you know you know report what i'd seen be a person you could bounce some ideas off of um and and

00:26:33.700 someone i would help out that way and one of the fascinating is i just remember a day i can't remember

00:26:39.060 which day where you guys were dealing with in the morning it started like the jccf um wants to put

00:26:46.180 out a press release no and every it was every day man there's one thing i remember like they want to

00:26:52.180 put out a press release and this is what they were focused on and i took a look at this press release

00:26:55.540 and oh god was it horribly written like how did these guys get through law school was number one

00:26:59.700 so yeah and then two um you know i come back to the work and come and they're still on this pressure

00:27:04.500 like the other thing was like i remember you saying like no no stop this do legal work like

00:27:08.180 get the funds out unfrozen do your job like be lawyers and they're like they didn't like that and

00:27:16.020 i've never seen lawyers disobey a direct order to be lawyers and instead focus on a press release

00:27:21.220 you're like i was just like you know again thank god they weren't my lawyers but it was just saying like

00:27:26.820 what is going on that you know you know sometimes you have lawyers who will disagree with you but

00:27:31.940 like they're contractually obligated to follow the instructions of their clients um at least in some

00:27:37.620 respect and they just wouldn't um they just wouldn't well because the contract because the

00:27:43.620 retainer that they gave us was not with us it was with the jccf so we weren't their client they said oh

00:27:50.980 we're going to be your lawyers but they weren't our lawyers or the jccf's lawyers so they came in

00:27:56.180 lying through their teeth at us didn't matter there's no repercussions because they technically didn't

00:28:00.740 have a retainer with us and i knew that that's why i kind of when i saw the retainer i just kind

00:28:05.460 of dismissed it as like i don't know what sort of clown show this world this this stuff is this is

00:28:10.180 not how law is practiced so i just kind of ignored it and figured you know let's try not to cause too

00:28:15.380 many waves let's try to get as many people working together and uh you lawyers just be quiet go do law

00:28:22.980 stuff and leave the messaging and pr stuff to the messaging and pr team right yeah so i mean let's go

00:28:30.340 outside of the the lawyers who weren't doing much legal work they weren't the only people who were

00:28:34.500 trying to grab a microphone no i don't know if you want to go into this but you know some of the things

00:28:40.660 i watched and um you know i had to sort of use someone yeah i don't i don't want to get into too

00:28:45.780 many names but i'm sure you can you can throw names around i'll just nod and uh but yeah okay yeah so

00:28:52.100 like one of the problems um was like every group wanted to either join and you and it was like great you

00:28:58.260 want to support us but then there are a lot of groups whether it be the group of like like

00:29:02.660 whatever brian peckford's freedom coalition something something that keith was was a lawyer

00:29:08.180 for but has no idea what it is um they wanted to be like which was set up on january 24th by the

00:29:13.620 way that's when it was created and that came out in the testimony that brian peckford was paid for

00:29:18.900 somebody what was he paid let me interject that it came up in the dean french text messages i think yeah

00:29:25.300 right that he was talking about bringing peckford in and then he mentions don't worry about the

00:29:30.900 funds i'll take care of it as like okay i'm paraphrasing by the way because i gotta be careful

00:29:36.740 but it is in the dean french text messages somewhere i will find it you just reminded me

00:29:41.300 you mean i'm not making it up you mean i heard it somewhere yeah yeah no it came it definitely was

00:29:49.220 it was somewhere in the evidence and it's submitted to pollack i will dig that out yeah there are there

00:29:55.940 are other things they were like you know every group wanted to get involved and then you know

00:29:59.460 there's some schisms um they're not schisms like there was there's some trouble with like you know

00:30:03.220 doctors the the dissident doctors came in and like wanted to be the the spokesperson of this and like

00:30:08.980 that became another big problem because you know the few days that i was like giving you know

00:30:14.900 talking to people running stage again it was all an individual like a cluster f-bomb but we didn't

00:30:21.620 like you know ben was pretty adamant on this and i agreed with the strategy is we didn't want the

00:30:26.740 message to be vaccines or or any of that stuff because oh because you immediately it's divisive

00:30:33.460 right it's divisive not that it's divisive but it's been made that it's been made to be perceived

00:30:39.540 that way by the government for the last two and a half three years but also it's like a no win

00:30:43.220 right there's no way to well it's it's it's a win for them because that's what they wanted they wanted

00:30:48.180 it to end as quickly as possible doug ford wanted this protest to end because it's his uh his provincial

00:30:55.620 mandate and the as much divisiveness as they could create would be better for uh for them overall

00:31:03.060 because then the convoy would be painted at a negative light as oh anti-vaxxer or whatever it's like

00:31:09.140 that's not what it was that's why they were never on our side the entire time and and yeah and the

00:31:14.500 other thing with that is like i i i've made this point publicly and i sometimes it's like enough

00:31:19.220 with the science like you're not going to be able to convince people like even if you like the best

00:31:23.380 case scenario is you get every doctor in ontario or every doctor in canada to sign a letter and

00:31:29.460 definitively prove let's say that the vaccine should not be mandated and carries higher risk than the

00:31:35.940 government's claiming it to but cbc brings on 100 people they give expert status to and says no you're

00:31:40.980 wrong and then wash it out like there's no way to win like you can't win this argument based off of

00:31:46.420 that so like all you can do is screw up by bringing in one crazy doctor who says something you know about 0.95

00:31:52.580 like you know the devil is in the semen of which is exactly what happened in that press conference 0.94

00:31:58.420 that i said do not have that that's not authorized and they said okay and then they went and did it

00:32:04.500 anyways and tricked tamara into showing up they said oh tamara we need you for a meeting okay they 0.99

00:32:09.700 set up for a meeting or whatever and then oh it's a a camera turned on and apparently tamara was so pissed 1.00

00:32:16.340 yeah so like the other thing with this is like there was like there i remember there was the one

00:32:20.900 big press conference the official press conference where the mainstream media was there where you got

00:32:24.500 overruled um and it would end up being this disaster um and like the thought was like you could just

00:32:31.300 see how many people were just like wanted the camera um so by this point like all the different

00:32:36.900 groups were swirling in for attention and this official press conference was done in the lobby of

00:32:41.860 the sheraton um and all the mainstream media and all the alternative media was there and this is the one

00:32:47.700 where glenn mcgregor instantly hijacked it and started yelling about weapons it cuts but like but before

00:32:53.060 that it was like yeah so but before that though before the press conference sets up like again the

00:32:59.620 mainstream media disperses us alternative media and some schmuck comes in to like run the press 0.72

00:33:04.980 conference like and point where people are allowed to go that like no one has any idea whatever but um

00:33:11.300 fine um but it would the the agreeance on this is like okay there's only be two people keep it small

00:33:18.180 brian peckford and tamara is a symbol of the the um the convoy and brian peckford um and lends

00:33:24.900 legitimacy to the movement because he's the former premier signed the constitution blah blah blah blah blah

00:33:29.860 but he had a little asterisk keith said to me i don't know how far and when we started to talk

00:33:37.300 about well then they started they realized okay we're not going to go with this whole deal thing

00:33:41.700 they're like well we need to get somebody who can talk to the government the federal government

00:33:46.740 uh and i said yeah okay i have no problem getting a mediator like that's fine and he says to me

00:33:53.220 you know i think i think i can get brian peckford would you be okay with that okay you need to know

00:34:01.940 that date because that's in the text records that came up right from someone else saying peckford could

00:34:09.780 be involved just say say the word kind of thing i'm paraphrasing again but i can find the dates on

00:34:15.700 that one probably so you if you can figure out when that actually happened to be important yeah but he

00:34:20.980 may that that text might have been a week before he told me like who knows because he was lying

00:34:25.700 everybody right and um so i said okay yeah sure peckford would be fine he was just on with uh peterson

00:34:34.900 recently and i had i've been speaking to peterson uh semi-regularly spoke to rex murphy for quite a

00:34:40.900 while and i'm like okay like i'm cool with getting a mediator that gives us credibility i don't have an

00:34:45.700 issue with that this is you know great let's get somebody i didn't know he's getting paid and he was

00:34:52.100 part of the same group that they were all part of that was trying to take control over the whole

00:34:57.300 time like i didn't go to the uh uh the tbof uh website i have time i had problems to deal with you

00:35:05.060 know but wow just scheming all of them just crazy yeah and just like on that on that note on that

00:35:11.940 press conference the official one that blew up everyone's face um like i just i was there like

00:35:16.500 being pushed out and then um to before the thing randy hillier starts walking in front of the thing

00:35:23.140 like he's he's he actually sets up behind the thing and he brings like some of the doctors like

00:35:27.140 paul alexander like who was like saying the vaccines oh he brought paul alexander did he or

00:35:33.060 i'm not sure he brought about like they both came out and like they went like like they they

00:35:36.740 were just like both of them were like standing behind the thing and like they take pictures and

00:35:39.860 i messaged up i'm like guys like randy hillier and like some of the doctors are trying to make

00:35:45.300 this at their press conference and then i think it was maybe dagney came down and like moved them

00:35:49.940 off the stage and it's just like you know no and then like they were so so so pissed off that they

00:35:55.460 couldn't be the center of attention that day and like stormed off and it's like this like this isn't

00:36:00.340 the randy hillier show or like the paul like this was like a a press conference about trucks like not

00:36:05.300 vaccines um and but that was just like again an insight every day into like some group trying to

00:36:11.780 throw a press conference and like i find it the most the funniest thing was tom marazzo after his ea

00:36:17.300 commission um uh testimony whatever walking by the mainstream media saying like i'm not talking to

00:36:23.220 you because you're fake news for the last three years dude every day comrade so would walk up to

00:36:29.540 the mainstream media and be like talk to me every day he would he would ignore alternative media and

00:36:34.740 like the only time he ever like used alternative media was like to get it like when we helped him build

00:36:38.340 his profile like after the thing um and then like once you ask him questions like blocked on twitter

00:36:43.700 um no that was my experience with tom raz i was like hey you can come on the show because you know

00:36:49.460 he got his bank accounts frozen you know he was part of the convoy in some way you know tamara and

00:36:55.780 chris couldn't talk ben couldn't talk um so fine all right tom we will talk about the convoy get the

00:37:01.540 message out there and do that and i always remember like my you know so it was solomon it was so angry

00:37:08.500 i had my phone's buzzing during the tom razo interview and i'm like i know it's solomon because

00:37:14.500 i we tamara's in jail right so tamara's in jail and i say tom is there any plans to maybe um since

00:37:20.820 you're now this like you're figureheading this you're building your profile a lot of people listen

00:37:24.580 yes like all the road captains left all the trucks and trucks are leaving everybody's out of ottawa

00:37:29.620 then he decides i can't have a press conference like yeah okay so fine fine he was last man

00:37:34.500 standing press conference who cares right like we're all on the same team then i asked him hey

00:37:39.860 i remember i remember seeing that and saying wait we just dealt with that yesterday he's a day late

00:37:45.780 what's he doing yeah he's fine whatever right it's the tom razzler but then i asked him like are we

00:37:52.180 gonna do anything for are you gonna plan anything for tamara like she's in jail are you gonna run a

00:37:56.020 protest um and rally and sort of support tamara no no i don't think we should we shouldn't be

00:38:02.100 protesting for he tells everyone not to protest to tamara because we don't want to influence the

00:38:06.340 court's decisions like yeah don't protest outside the courtroom and intimidate a judge but you can

00:38:11.860 protest at like parliament hill saying locking up this woman is is is aggressive like what and it's 0.91

00:38:18.980 like i like it well let's just steer him off this topic because i was like okay this is like what is

00:38:24.500 wrong with this guy that he can't there's not there's not much between the ears that's the

00:38:28.740 problem there's not much you know that that was about as sharp as a bowling ball isn't right uh is

00:38:34.500 to quote the great philosopher foghorn leghorn um but it's again what are we doing that you can't like

00:38:40.660 so not only does he use this platform um and to advocate for not helping tamara tells everyone to

00:38:47.780 specifically not help tamara uh because we got to respect the law and blah blah blah blah blah we don't want 1.00

00:38:52.820 it and then this is the a-hole who goes to the jccf gala because it's like oh it's a tom razer show 0.82

00:38:58.500 and gets to marathon back in jail because he wants to shake hands with her and like i talked to benjamin

00:39:03.620 and like you like you didn't go because you specifically didn't want tamara in jail because

00:39:09.060 oh because i knew everything is so politicized any if if we had any communication at all even attempts

00:39:15.860 somebody in the crown's office would find out and they would arrest her just to make an example of her 0.99

00:39:22.340 just because this is all entirely political so i wouldn't put her at risk for that and to your

00:39:26.260 knowledge did anybody reach out from the legal team to a judge on that order around the the contact

00:39:33.460 rules and verify just to make sure no they they would do what they were doing with us like what we

00:39:40.020 were told is oh the judge ruled that the protest is legal so we're fine right same thing it's like oh

00:39:46.980 well he she can be with counsel and so she's fine did you check before but we don't have to like

00:39:52.580 that's to clarify to your knowledge they never reached out to clarify with the judge or with

00:39:58.580 like to clarify that they're on the contact order that that was not allowed like they could have easily

00:40:04.020 the reason i'm asking is they could have called up or emailed or whatever gone through the proper

00:40:08.260 channels and said listen there's this event coming up these people want to attend this is the capacity

00:40:13.620 we'd be there is that okay did that happen to your knowledge i have no idea i i wouldn't know

00:40:21.380 i can't say either way i would hope yeah i would presume no based on what happened right yeah exactly

00:40:26.820 and if it did happen right i would presume that the jccf would be waving that around like we cleared

00:40:32.500 this with the judge beforehand right so this is like so you're like there's to my mind there's only

00:40:38.100 two options here either literally the worst lawyers to ever exist or two sabotage right there's like

00:40:45.220 there's no other explanation for just how bad they've been and like you know i i've appreciated

00:40:49.860 the national telegraph crowd because you know not a lot of you know crazy nonsense you know when we

00:40:54.580 sort of lay out these facts you know back when tamara was getting arrested thrown in jail like there

00:40:58.980 wasn't a lot of like you know people seem to understand like yeah there's something fishy here like

00:41:04.020 you you can't have this and like my line was always like i don't really care what it is okay i don't

00:41:08.980 care if they're the worst lawyers of all time or they're deliberately savage i don't care what the

00:41:12.660 reason is like the result is you have bad lawyers and you have bad lawyers defending the convoy which

00:41:18.260 needs defending um from the full resources of the federal government so it's like you're going to play

00:41:25.140 you know the uh you know the like the let's say the 1974 right bj earmuffs right

00:41:36.260 earmuffs you're about to play at the super bowl and you're dealing with a high school team instead

00:41:40.420 of a professional team like this this is this is the jcfl versus nfl cfl versus nfl like yeah you're

00:41:46.180 bringing you're bringing the argonauts cheerleaders not even the argument bringing the cheerleaders for

00:41:50.180 the argonauts to play the patriots like yeah i get it they have i'd watch that

00:41:55.140 yeah well i mean one of the one of the lawyers who do you bet on

00:42:02.660 i just found out this room daniel and an even game right daniel i just found out one this week

00:42:11.220 one of the lawyers had not been practicing law and she had a yoga studio that went bust and that's who 1.00

00:42:19.140 they brought in to defend this i'm like oh my god that definitely explains a lot

00:42:25.140 yeah i mean the jccf used to be cool but you know like they never really recovered from that

00:42:30.740 scandal with john carfrey and the judge and i'll let you in on a little secret i'll let you in on

00:42:36.340 a little secret and everybody who's listening okay so imagine i'm in my room next to the media room

00:42:43.380 where we're all kind of conglomerating and doing our stuff it's towards the end of the day well it's

00:42:49.300 like seven o'clock so it's around the time where we're starting to worry uh because hurt locker tom

00:42:54.020 comes and says oh we're gonna get raided every night he would do that that's a morato uh we call 0.78

00:42:58.420 that's why we call them hurt locker her locker no it took me a second yeah so he kept uh every day oh

00:43:06.900 you know we're we're getting notices from the police that they intend to raid tonight every night every

00:43:12.500 night he did that it was like the boy who like finally after like you know five days of that i'm like

00:43:16.900 yeah i don't really care what he says he's he's wrong every other night so uh let's just let's

00:43:21.540 wing it we'll see what happens right and so i'm uh it was seven eight o'clock i think daniel you were out

00:43:28.660 filming on the ground doing some reporting uh with salmon and uh most of the people dying down i was

00:43:35.940 dealing either you know i would do interviews at night usually around 9 30 on newsmax or something like

00:43:42.020 that and or go into twitter spaces when i could or just sending messaging so that's a

00:43:46.660 i'm in that time of my the day and i get a call from a friend of mine who is quite famous

00:43:52.420 um and in the legal world uh and this friend calls me and says listen hey i just got wind

00:43:59.540 that the jccf is there and i said yeah yeah why what's the problem and this friend says to me

00:44:08.660 get them as far away as possible and i said well why i thought they have a good reputation

00:44:15.700 and i was as was explained to me they used to have some halfway decent lawyers and then this scandal

00:44:22.900 that came up uh you know with the following a judge around which is crazy and all of their legal team

00:44:30.820 left their whole board left everybody left all day and this is explained to me they don't have lawyers

00:44:36.900 anymore they just have activists with law degrees who aren't they know nothing about law and this

00:44:43.220 person said to me look at their case record they lose everything uh if you if you're going to take

00:44:49.780 this seriously you need to get real lawyers get them as far away from you as possible so i thought oh

00:44:56.500 okay interesting so that was always sticking in the back of my head that with all the things i had to

00:45:01.220 navigate now it's like okay how do i get this parasitic organization as far away from us as

00:45:08.340 possible because they're going to cause a lot of damage right so it is what it is yeah and like i

00:45:14.980 think if people are looking for what what's the reason the jctf stayed on um like i don't we have a

00:45:20.900 choice man we were so inundated with so many problems they're saying we'll give you free legal

00:45:26.980 advice on the class action suit and said okay great then they started doing press releases it's

00:45:32.100 like no no no no you go over there well you should know that nothing in life is really free

00:45:39.860 well a hundred percent yeah a hundred percent yeah but there's the other thing of like what

00:45:44.820 the jccf did well in sort of endearing themselves to a lot of people there on the ground in the truck

00:45:50.180 cap is like you know they they would give them the raw raw speech and like the sort of we're here to

00:45:55.700 fight again the activist thing like the locker room speech right that's right um right and you

00:46:00.660 know be drinking with them at night and like one of the boys so i you know it it's a group of truckers

00:46:06.660 and like good on them they they value loyalty and you know and you know it's going to be hard to say

00:46:13.380 you know what you actually need some bay street suits coming in from toronto to protect this thing

00:46:17.380 like you need some serious sharks that have no morals and don't care about this convoy one way or the

00:46:23.300 other but he will do what you pay them to do and fight the government because they're pathological

00:46:27.540 sociopaths who want to win right that's kind of who who you need um right is is just some you know

00:46:34.900 sociopath who's like okay money you're my client all right i'll find i'll find a whatever legal loophole

00:46:41.220 to say this convoy was was legal and uh the greatest and i will argue that to infinity like to the t and

00:46:48.420 i'm not going to be doing press conferences right you pay me to do work i'm going to find you know

00:46:53.300 this section of the charter and this case law and i'm going to spend my day saying that and i'm going

00:46:57.380 to make this argument like that's what you needed but you know keith came in there and like we're one

00:47:01.460 of the boys and we got you and we're going to take down the government or or or not like not to take

00:47:06.420 them again but like we're going to take on the government and we're going to do this for freedom

00:47:10.020 and yada yada it's like that sounds good to someone who you think oh i got a really good lawyer here

00:47:15.700 because they care and you know to an extent that that's that is good like listen it would be good

00:47:21.220 if you could get a thousand dollar an hour bay street lawyer who also said for sure listen i was

00:47:25.700 convinced for the first uh well not for very long but to be honest but uh you know i tried to give

00:47:31.700 them the benefit of the doubt hoping that that's what would materialize and that you know the um the

00:47:38.340 death and doom and gloom video which was my very first encounter meeting the lawyers when i i explained

00:47:45.460 that in the book that little interaction um but my that came up in your testimony right the blow up

00:47:53.380 that that came up in your testimony the blow up the argument uh yeah i believe so okay honestly the

00:48:00.420 testimony went by like that like i don't even remember what i said it was so i remember the jccf

00:48:06.660 guy that everybody liked until he started attacking me and trying to frame me i loved it when he said you

00:48:13.300 broke into her twitter account i'm like oh buddy you're desperate eh like you're really desperate

00:48:18.980 to hang on to this narrative and then tamara comes in the next witness and says yeah no i gave him my

00:48:25.060 uh twitter from the very beginning he's really good at twitter god bless her um so you know they're all

00:48:31.460 a part of this whatever they're trying to do and they're ceding all this ground to the other side

00:48:36.580 they're not representing the truth of what actually went on the fact that it was peaceful

00:48:42.020 right up until the time the police brought violence that's when it got dangerous when the

00:48:47.220 police started beating people and even then people did not retaliate against the police which is why

00:48:54.100 there's so few if any uh charges laid and i it's frustrating that the former council because he's no

00:49:01.060 longer a lawyer for anybody at this point involved in the convoy that the former council can become

00:49:07.380 um a witness in this testimony which right away is red flags and he gets on there because he has

00:49:14.020 parliamentary immunity against defamation that's why he did it i'm pretty sure and he makes a statement

00:49:21.300 that the convoy had needed to end no that's what trudeau says and then our uh independent right-wing

00:49:32.340 media keeps propping him up like the hero he just took trudeau's position what is wrong with you and

00:49:39.300 yeah this also frustrates me is they give the rah-rah like it'd be one thing if these were these guys

00:49:45.620 were what they said they were in these rah-rah activists who aren't great at lawyering but they're 0.73

00:49:50.020 gonna fight like hell for the convoy but not only they're not good at lawyering but they're pushing

00:49:54.580 the government narrative and then intermittently making speeches about freedom so it's not like

00:50:00.100 they're even trying to defend the thing i will say i'll post a link to the book if anyone wants to see

00:50:03.700 it in the chat uh we have about five more minutes until nine o'clock where you're starting a twitter

00:50:08.500 space uh uh so if people want to ask you questions directly um right you'll say vj is hosting a twitter

00:50:14.420 space uh scheduled to start at nine right so it's uh 8 54 right now so i think uh now would be a good

00:50:21.860 time to sort of wrap up and segue into that so if you do want to ask questions uh uh bj will be on

00:50:27.060 twitter um where you can come request a mic and um and talk to him there okay great um and i think

00:50:35.300 what's most important and the reason we're here with all of that stuff that you know greg you're working

00:50:40.980 through diligently and by the way i thank you for that and i know daniel you and wyatt are trying to

00:50:46.500 p i mean it's easier for you because you were there it's more about communicating it to uh to everybody

00:50:53.060 um even with all the nonsense that went on in the background what we were dealing with what tamara

00:50:58.580 and i were dealing with the various groups the truckers upset that they couldn't get money that

00:51:03.060 the the 800 trucks that were parked in some farmer's field and we couldn't find a place for them

00:51:09.060 uh that they were running out of food and running out of fuel and then the city blocked the fuel

00:51:13.460 trucks okay so then what do we do well i guess we're gonna have to get jerry cans because we have

00:51:18.580 no choice at this point so all of those things that we were dealing with uh

00:51:28.740 do we lose them at the end there and itself to really an amazing and positive still the nonsense that

00:51:39.060 it looks like during the uh the testimony in the commission

00:51:50.660 it's the worst worst connection right now yeah you're all gonna love that various people involved

00:51:57.220 in the convoy when oh there you go i mean i'll you know you until you read this book send me messages

00:52:05.140 saying uh i was laughing and then i was in tears and it was absolutely amazing i think if you stop

00:52:11.620 promoting your book your your wi-fi will come back yeah this is the book that government does not want

00:52:17.780 you to read we've learned that yeah i think that just sort of piece together it sounds like the freedom

00:52:22.660 convoy was you know what the media i've never seen such a disconnect between what the reality was and

00:52:29.860 what the media was saying when it came to the freedom convoy like sometimes they report like

00:52:34.660 a kernel of truth and then twist it in a way that fits the narrative so be it right such is life but

00:52:40.900 i've never seen like this not only was this like not true it was like anti-truth like the exact opposite

00:52:46.980 of what's going on was being reported and i also found it so fascinating by the people on the ground one

00:52:52.980 like the individuality of people um understanding like what was they were up against and like this is the

00:52:59.140 bouncy castle and hot tub thing is like the government tried to play this narrative of

00:53:02.580 insurrection and then the people themselves knew that okay how do i defeat this uh this uh this idea

00:53:10.100 is like well i just bring a hot tub and a bouncy castle and good luck trying to spin the narrative

00:53:16.340 that this is a threat to national security as canadians just have different siege tools i think

00:53:21.700 you guys are missing the point here you know americans they stormed the capital canadians we bring our

00:53:28.020 siege tools they're bouncy castles and hot pubs yeah awesome our parents oh you gotta have beer at

00:53:35.300 a canadian protest is it even a protest without beer yeah exactly 100 yeah totally all right anyways

00:53:42.900 i got cut off when i was plugging the book but the idea honking for freedom.com go there you can buy

00:53:47.860 not just amazon's on a few platforms where you can buy it it's all the positive warm and fuzzy stories

00:53:54.740 that uh everybody's gonna love i think everybody comes off looking uh good because we tried to focus

00:54:00.260 on the good aspects of people minus a couple of people but everybody else um uh i think we we tried

00:54:07.140 to do it in a classy way and i think you'll agree it is and i feel bad we don't have time to mention

00:54:13.700 but the the co-author john goddard is an experienced investigative journalist who really helped you with

00:54:18.660 timelines and oh yeah facts and doing all that and uh i think it'd be remiss if we didn't at

00:54:24.580 least give him a shout out before we ended the show but when uh ben when you say we it is you and

00:54:29.780 john goddard um who who's an experienced investigative journalist um so on that note i think thank you ben

00:54:36.660 for joining us greg thanks for coming and helping out with this i just wanted to say one last word kudos

00:54:41.060 to you on the bestseller uh it remains to be seen how how it's going to go from there but your bestseller

00:54:47.140 and uh just having a forward from jordan peterson and having somebody like john goddard help you

00:54:51.620 put it together there's no guarantees for anything so kudos yeah no we'll see i'm starting with us

00:54:57.060 media when i'm in boston this weekend so i'm gonna be on a couple of mainstream uh shows on thursday

00:55:05.060 and i think on monday if i'm not mistaken and we'll see who else i mean they're all the requests

00:55:09.860 are starting to come in i'm starting to filter them just like i did during the uh the convoy so we'll

00:55:15.060 see how much that'll help all right well thanks everyone for joining us um if you want to ask bj

00:55:22.180 questions i believe you're starting up a twitter space pretty much when we end this so yeah just

00:55:26.660 give me about 30 seconds i'll go to the room joe rampart's gonna co-host are you gonna be there and

00:55:30.820 co-host uh daniel or what yeah if you want me to uh greg you're gonna be in there for a little bit

00:55:35.300 uh probably in a little bit i'm gonna get my kids to bed first yeah okay all right parent those kids

00:55:39.860 keep them alive take some lessons and such all right thanks everyone for coming and

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - November 16, 2022

Honking for Freedom- TNT and Diverge Media Interview Author Benjamin J Dichter

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