The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - How ＂Reconciliation＂ Ruined BC Politics (ft. Dallas Brodie - OneBC leader)

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and there is a tragedy I need to correct on this show today.

00:00:07.040 I have been working with 1BC leader Dallas Brody for several months now, and I have neglected to

00:00:14.220 actually have her on the show. Now, this isn't really my fault, we both have very busy schedules

00:00:19.540 and somehow we've never been able to cross over long enough to actually do something together,

00:00:24.180 but now we are correcting the mistakes of the past, and I now have Dallas Brody on the show with me

00:00:31.140 here today. Thank you for coming on, Dallas. Thank you for having me, Wyatt.

00:00:35.840 Yeah, this has been a long time coming, but every single time we were like thinking about doing a

00:00:42.480 show, we were both in Victoria, I didn't really want to do it from like two different hotel rooms,

00:00:47.500 it would feel awkward, and I wasn't at my studio, and then when I was at home there was like 50,000

00:00:52.520 things going on, but we are here now. Yes. And that's all that matters. That's all that matters.

00:00:59.020 Well, let's, I guess, for everybody who kind of knows what's been going on, but not in great detail,

00:01:06.360 let's start from the beginning on your political journey that has led us up to the point where I

00:01:11.560 finally brought you on the show after dragging my feet for many, many months. So how did you get

00:01:16.400 into politics in British Columbia? Well, the very beginning was the summer of 2020 when I got together

00:01:23.540 with a group of women who also live in Vancouver to start making some noise about the mess that was 1.00

00:01:30.740 developing on the streets of Vancouver, and we started a group called Save Our City, Save Our City

00:01:36.160 Vancouver, and we just, I became the spokesperson, someone else handled the website, and we just did our

00:01:42.600 best to try and get on the radar of the sort of media in Vancouver because it seemed like a one-sided

00:01:48.980 story about, always about harm reduction, but never really talking about what are we actually doing

00:01:55.500 here with all this, these drug addicts all over the city, people walking around bent over, sitting in

00:02:02.220 the rain, the mess that the city had become, and that was the beginning. And then through that, I started

00:02:08.440 meeting more and more people, and then I was asked to run in the, as the Conservative candidate in a

00:02:16.900 by-election in my home riding where I grew up, Vancouver, Koshanna, in the spring of 2022. And I ran in that

00:02:26.080 by-election. We knew I wouldn't win, but I believe I was the first Conservative Party candidate to run in

00:02:31.380 that riding in something like 57 years. So we, astonishingly, we only had about three weeks,

00:02:38.060 and most of that time was spent just getting nomination signatures, and I think I only door

00:02:42.460 knocked for about two or three days, and we actually pulled off six percent of the vote in that little

00:02:48.120 election back then. And I was up against Kevin Falcon at the time. That's why there was a election.

00:02:54.580 He won the BC Liberal leadership in, like, 22, and this was his way into the legislature.

00:03:00.660 Yeah, and Andrew Wilkinson was stepping down, and Kevin Falcon needed to run in that by-election.

00:03:05.700 And he won, of course. And then when the general election happened in 2024, I ran again, and I won.

00:03:14.820 And so I now am the MLA for Vancouver, Koshanna. I'm still that MLA. But as the history unfolded,

00:03:25.420 I got expelled from the BC Conservative Party not too long after we started in the legislature.

00:03:31.940 It was March of last year, and that was over the 215 grave story out of Kamloops.

00:03:39.540 I was the AG critic, one of the two AG critics for the Conservative Party. I made my first ex-post I'd

00:03:47.620 ever made in my life on that issue because there was a lawyer named Jim Heller who was now suing the

00:03:54.620 Law Society of British Columbia for defamation. Essentially, they had labelled him a racist in

00:04:01.200 some documents they'd put out when he was complaining about mandatory course materials at the Law Society,

00:04:07.000 which still were claiming that there were 215 bodies found at the Kamloops Indian Residential School

00:04:13.380 when there had not been. And he was pointing out that the Court of Appeal of British Columbia had

00:04:18.840 even said these were potential burials, and he wanted the word potential added. And this is where

00:04:24.400 the storm exploded at the Law Society of British Columbia.

00:04:28.280 Yeah. And like he wanted a really, really mild change. Like that's almost still a bit of an

00:04:34.520 obfuscation of the truth to even say there's potential graves, but he's just asking for like

00:04:38.760 the bare minimum alter alteration to the actual course materials. And that was enough for them to

00:04:44.280 like go like full on trying to smear him when this did not even need to be public at all. It was like a

00:04:49.400 private request that they do this, wasn't it?

00:04:52.100 It was. And the reason that I felt it was super important to comment on this was that

00:05:01.220 the truth of the Law Society, and this has always been, we have to have truth of the Law Society or

00:05:05.780 we're not going to have it anywhere. And we can't have subjective truth, we have to have truth truth

00:05:10.420 that's measurable, provable, and verifiable that people can see that there's truth. And this was the

00:05:18.020 problem and the Law Society has really gone off course here. Of course, subsequently now they've

00:05:23.780 actually amended those materials, if you can believe it, after they've fought Jim Heller's

00:05:29.860 defamation suit tooth and nail. They've actually corrected the course materials, but they've

00:05:34.260 continued to fight him. It's a shocking development. This man deserves a medal for what he did and he's

00:05:40.820 just being abused by his own Law Society. It's terrible. And I will, I feel badly for Jim Heller,

00:05:46.900 but thank goodness that he had the courage to come forward and point this out because

00:05:51.300 it's shocking that no other, that other lawyers didn't come forward with this complaint as well.

00:05:55.220 But on this issue, you can see what happens when you speak out on it. You get labeled, destroyed,

00:06:00.900 tossed around like a rag doll out there by the media, and it's a terrible experience.

00:06:05.300 And I should probably do this at this point in the video, but if people haven't yet watched the

00:06:09.620 documentary Making a Killing, we go into the story of Jim Heller and the Law Society, as well as the

00:06:15.540 former Abbotsford teacher, Jim McMurtry, who was a 1BC candidate, and all the other stuff involving

00:06:21.540 the Kamloops Indian Residential School and the claims of bodies and many other claims that

00:06:26.260 it debunks. Fantastic documentary. I assume many of you have watched it, but if you haven't,

00:06:30.660 it'll be pinned in the, at the top of the comments below if you guys want to go check it out. You know,

00:06:35.300 share it with your friends, do all that great stuff. But going back to the issue that ended up having

00:06:39.540 John Rustad kick you out of the BC conservatives, it almost feels quaint at this point that this is

00:06:45.220 something that anyone would have a problem with. Because since then, it's almost become rightfully

00:06:51.460 so the new vogue to just to stand up to media bullies, to institutional bullies who are trying

00:06:58.020 to make you basically repeat the untruth of Kamloops. But I actually want to almost wheel it back a little

00:07:03.780 bit more because it wasn't exactly out of nowhere that the BC conservatives did this. Not, not like

00:07:10.020 it wasn't blindsiding to you that they specifically kicked you out. But we both worked on the last

00:07:15.860 BC provincial election for the conservatives. I was a campaign manager and an organizer. Obviously,

00:07:21.620 you were a candidate now in MLA. But we, I remember we were talking back in like December of 2024

00:07:28.260 about why are every, why is everything suddenly changing in the party? Why is there suddenly all this

00:07:32.980 messaging control? And, you know, there's starts to develop a small clique around the leader of

00:07:38.100 certain MLAs whose opinions are recognized and certain ones whose opinions are not recognized.

00:07:43.300 Can you like maybe describe what the culture shift was at that time between December and March when you

00:07:49.540 were finally pushed out? Yes. When we first got together, when the caucus first met, things seemed okay at

00:07:58.740 first. And then what we started realizing as we spent more time together and started having caucus meetings,

00:08:04.580 there was a, that party was a mess. It was so divided. I used to call it sort of like the Frankenstein

00:08:11.620 party because they, they took parts and they put, they tried to put together people that just didn't

00:08:16.900 belong together. And it, you know, it became clear very quickly that there was going to be one side of the

00:08:25.300 room that was holding forth. And it seemed like the more people with more BC Liberal points of view

00:08:30.980 were going to be holding forth in that caucus and the Conservatives, the true Conservatives like I was

00:08:38.100 and other, there was quite a large group of us were being iced out and shoved aside and our views were

00:08:45.060 quickly being told that's not acceptable. That's not where we're going with this anymore. And it was really

00:08:50.420 a shock to someone like me, who had campaigned on all of the platform that the Conservatives had put

00:08:56.180 out there. And then to find out that we're not really doing that anymore. And, and unbeknownst to

00:09:01.780 a lot of us, the platform was even being changed behind our backs. I mean, people might wonder, well,

00:09:07.380 how could that happen? Well, when you're busy, you're trying to get elected, you've just been,

00:09:12.100 you're going, your whole life is changing, you're, you've been elected, you're going through this,

00:09:16.100 you're not watching every little movement of the machinery behind you. You're expecting that that

00:09:22.020 all stays the same. But changes were being made behind our backs. And we weren't being told this.

00:09:27.300 And then we'd be hit with questions like, why is your platform changed? How come you're not talking

00:09:31.300 about this or that anymore? And, and we'd be caught blindsided by this. And I find this practice so

00:09:39.060 weaselly, that the Conservative, I guess, leadership, the establishment of the party was engaging in.

00:09:44.820 There's a difference between, has the website changed? And has your behavior changed? Because

00:09:50.420 so often, it would be this kind of subtle march. It wasn't that the party would come out and declare

00:09:55.220 that they no longer care about DRIPA, and they no longer will push back on UNDRIP. They just simply

00:10:00.740 don't talk about it that much. If they're pushed, they'll say, well, of course, it's in the platform.

00:10:05.380 But then, in other interviews, like we actually had this happen, this was back during the summer,

00:10:10.420 you had the executive director of the BC Conservatives just say like, well, we're actually not sure if

00:10:15.700 that's like a hard and fast thing that we actually will reveal anymore. That's going to be a free vote.

00:10:20.260 It's like a free vote. It's a platform plank. But that was that was confirming what we had been

00:10:25.700 saying for a while. And we were told that we were being too critical. Oh, no, no, no. See,

00:10:29.380 it's still part of the platform. And then they come out and they're like, well, we're not really sure if

00:10:32.740 we're going to do that. And now we actually have a BC Conservative leadership race going on where it's like,

00:10:38.660 yeah, everyone says they want to get rid of DREPO. These are the same people who'd criticized

00:10:42.180 people like you for bringing it up too much. I know it's funny how back then, like it started

00:10:47.540 with the Kamloops Residential School, the story about these graves, and then it just moved on.

00:10:52.740 And everything I said about the indigenous file became, oh, constantly called a racist,

00:10:59.300 denialist and all these things. There was just constant labeling. And now what do we have?

00:11:04.020 After the Cowichan decision, the claim that's being mounted against Kamloops City and Sun Peaks

00:11:08.420 Mountain, and the adjacent mine, the Ajax mine, and then we've got the Gitsan ruling. Now everybody's

00:11:14.020 saying, now the Conservatives are safely, they feel safe to say, oh, DREPO has to go. They weren't

00:11:19.460 saying that before. And now even David Eby is saying, oh, we have to amend DREPO. Whereas I was

00:11:26.340 supposedly a racist for raising these things, but it's okay when they do it. It's incredible to

00:11:30.740 watch the pattern of this. And I think that you've used a really important word here that we need

00:11:36.100 to use more often. It's Weasley. It's Weasley. And the electorate is so sick of politicians saying

00:11:42.980 they're going to do one thing and they don't do it when they get in there. And it is Weasley. And I

00:11:47.780 refuse to ever be a weasel word lady. And I will keep speaking what's straight up unscripted. And I'm

00:11:54.740 not going to be sitting here with talking points. It's very clear what needs to happen in this

00:11:58.340 province. It's obvious. We're in big trouble with this DREPO thing.

00:12:02.260 And really what you do is usually proven out in the long run. And I see so many people,

00:12:08.340 and it's oftentimes, you know, certain campaign mercenaries or whatever, that when somebody

00:12:14.020 says the right thing that, you know, who usually they're working for, or, you know, one or two posts,

00:12:19.380 suddenly they're the ones who's going to save us all. It's like, wait a few months, wait, wait a

00:12:24.340 year and see if they actually still do that. Because John Rusted, to his credit in the last

00:12:30.020 provincial race, and even before it started talking about DREPO. And then after the race,

00:12:35.620 stop talking about it. A lot of people could start doing the right thing and stop doing the right thing

00:12:40.420 a bit later. And we should, you know, maybe, you know, you have to judge them, you know, by their

00:12:45.540 fruits and what they actually end up doing when they're in a leadership position or when they

00:12:51.700 are an MLA and have the ability to say something when they are given questions. And so far, all

00:12:56.740 these people are running on track records that they do not possess. You know, they only did it after

00:13:01.700 someone else started doing it, or they only did it when the issue became so severe, you couldn't not

00:13:07.540 say something because we don't truly believe that EB would be doing this if there wasn't that mining

00:13:12.340 decision that basically was going to shut down all mining. Yeah. Well, you know, I knew that the

00:13:16.900 party was in serious trouble when I remember that we had a swearing-in ceremony one evening in

00:13:21.700 Victoria, and it was exciting for all of us. We were being sworn in. A ton of us, we had never been

00:13:26.100 there before. And that night, John Rusted arranged for Alia Warbus to have her own special swearing-in

00:13:33.940 ceremony that none of us got. She had her own dad, Stephen Point, come in and speak to all of us.

00:13:41.540 And she also got her own drummers and her own celebration to when she got sworn in. And the rest

00:13:47.300 of us, I mean, there should be nothing special about any of us. We're a big, huge team.

00:13:52.820 She got a special ceremony. And it was a shock to a lot of us. And her dad, Stephen Point, came in

00:14:00.420 and spoke to us that night about reconciliation and how we have to keep reconciling. He spoke to us about

00:14:06.580 climate change. And there was another topic he jumped into as well. And I thought, what is going

00:14:12.820 on here? Why are we being lectured by somebody who's not even involved in the legislature right

00:14:18.100 now? This is the father of one MLA. And he's here talking about how proud he is of his daughter. Well,

00:14:24.580 my late father would have been proud of me too, just like all of our fathers were proud of us.

00:14:28.980 And it seemed really a bad move to start things off. And I remember thinking, this is not good.

00:14:38.740 We're already being what we now fondly call tone policed and told what we better be on side with.

00:14:46.980 And that, I think, was the first signal to me where trouble was coming. And I spoke to John about it.

00:14:52.820 I said, why are you doing this? This is just woke politics. And we shouldn't be doing this. He goes,

00:14:56.900 oh, no, no, it's not woke. We just don't want to be attacked by the other side. And it's really good.

00:15:01.540 And anyway, it was just, that was the beginning. And the caucus meetings just developed into almost

00:15:08.180 like brawls. I've never seen men, men yelling at each other, swearing. There was one MLA who regularly

00:15:16.180 swore at people, screamed at them. There were people crying. I mean, it was just, I've never

00:15:23.380 been in a workplace like this before, honestly. And going back to what, to what, like John was

00:15:28.180 articulating there by saying, well, no, we need the special introduction for Alia Warbus with her

00:15:33.540 father, because, you know, it gets the media off her backs. It's like, well, I think this is proving

00:15:38.900 that eventually the duck and run tactics literally become what you believe. You can't keep doing something

00:15:44.980 forever and not eventually have that infect the way that you think. You know, it's like,

00:15:49.540 it's symbolic what you're doing by having her with that special introduction with the drums and all

00:15:54.660 the, the inspiring speech that nobody else got. Eventually that's going to become part of your

00:15:59.540 ideology that this person simply based on their background is more important than other people,

00:16:04.660 which means that when they say something, it matters more. And that leads into you getting

00:16:09.380 removed from the party because Alia Warbus basically, you know, called you disgusting and 0.98

00:16:13.700 all this other stuff about how you're, you know, you know, we're going to debate,

00:16:17.620 uh, we're going to debate, like, what are you and she saying? Like, we're going to debate the truth

00:16:21.540 or something like that. But, you know, even though her brand of the truth doesn't really have a lot of

00:16:25.940 truthiness to it, but. Well, she, yeah, I mean, she became, yeah, it was just a terrible time. I remember

00:16:34.020 being, wow, this is, this is this way politics rolls. I guess I'm, you know, not a fit over here, but

00:16:40.580 that's what happened. And I, and all the rest is history. I mean, we've now moved forward

00:16:44.740 and now everybody's talking about the file and people have said, you know, I've had journalists

00:16:48.980 ask me, do you think you focus too much on this, on this issue? Have you become a one issue person?

00:16:53.780 And I always say, look, this one issue, this one file, this one department is touching on every

00:17:00.820 aspect of our lives in BC. Now we, there's nothing this file doesn't touch.

00:17:05.860 And it's one of these line items of the budget now. Yes, it is. It's just not only that we're

00:17:11.620 watching, we're watching in the name of this file, quote unquote, reconciliation, we are now seeing

00:17:16.820 street names change, bridge names change, we're seeing parking places being special for only

00:17:23.540 certain people of native ancestry, they get, you know, even the wheelchair things are being moved over so

00:17:30.340 that there's a free parking for certain people based on their ancestry. We've got parks being

00:17:36.180 closed. We've got like, it's just going on and on. And you know, we're also hearing now that there's

00:17:42.260 a movement, they're starting to call it as currently known as British Columbia. And I'm telling you,

00:17:47.860 the next thing that's coming is BC is going to be renamed the Coast Salish Territories. That's what's

00:17:52.180 coming next. I can almost predict it with absolute certainty. And Vancouver will no longer be Vancouver.

00:17:58.500 And my view is this all needs to stop. Because we've never had a full discussion about what British

00:18:04.260 Columbians want on this. I don't remember being asked that I was a voter. And this is not what I

00:18:09.460 want. And there's never been a full discussion about it. And the sense I'm getting is that all of

00:18:14.740 these plans about they talk about reconciliation, but the dark underbelly to this is actually

00:18:19.860 decolonization and indigenization. Those are the real things that are happening here. And so that's 0.98

00:18:26.900 why you're seeing these things happening that don't seem to make any sense. Why are we spending money

00:18:31.700 changing street signs when we can't even run ER rooms right now? Like, it doesn't make any sense,

00:18:38.180 Wyatt. And the name changes do matter. Because like you've previously said in another speech of the

00:18:44.020 legislature, you're slowly grooming yourself into the idea that this is not really

00:18:49.620 yours by doing land acknowledgments, by changing the names of things and by alienating people

00:18:54.340 from their from their communities, naming schools after things that nobody can actually pronounce,

00:18:59.700 without having to have special rules and whatnot. Like this is this does matter. And this actually

00:19:04.660 kind of connects to the the new tagline that we've rolled out as a party at one BC is like,

00:19:09.220 you know, at some point, there needs to be a party that just stands up for the things normal people

00:19:13.460 think, you know, we're the party for normal people. Yeah. And I don't think I don't want

00:19:18.180 to be called normal people. Yeah. It's like, even with the conservatives, even then it's kind of

00:19:25.620 tinkering along the outsides. Well, let's let's modify reconciliation a little bit. So it's a little

00:19:30.740 bit less offensive to the sensibilities of normal people. It's like, well, normal people just want it

00:19:34.500 done. And normal people just want everyone treated like individuals. And that's a funny thing in all

00:19:39.380 this. It's bad for indigenous people, we effectively have stuck them on what are Soviet states, 0.98

00:19:46.100 where they don't own any of their own property on on resident on reserves, people don't know this,

00:19:51.700 on their own reserves, they do not own their own property. And they're effectively almost bribed into

00:19:57.780 not developing. And by the government, it's kind of like this web where it's both the government

00:20:02.820 and its band councils oppressing regular indigenous people, and then doing this all in the name that 0.63

00:20:09.060 they're going to help them. And it's like it's they're not the life expectancy of indigenous 0.97

00:20:14.180 people has fallen six years since the NDP took over, which sounds impossible. That sounds like

00:20:20.420 what should be happening in an actual genocide that's going on. But no, the genocide was in the

00:20:25.140 past when, you know, education was provided in an imperfect way, as it always is whenever education

00:20:31.140 is provided by the government. That's right. And we are watching this falling life expectancy

00:20:38.740 is a shocker. And the fact that the majority of kids in foster care are from indigenous communities, 0.96

00:20:44.820 the fact that the the fentanyl deaths in the indigenous communities are are way higher than

00:20:50.100 they should be. So you ask yourself, you're worrying about what happened 100 150 years ago,

00:20:56.340 and but you're not let's focus on what's happening right now. The absolute tragedy of the life on reserve

00:21:02.500 for a lot of people, the unfairness they're subjected to by their chiefs and council. Let's just call it what it

00:21:07.860 is. It's it's unfair to subject these people to living in a communist environment. They they don't

00:21:14.020 own their own property. It's centrally controlled. And if you try and ask any questions of the chief

00:21:18.580 and council, you get punished. And that punishment can take many different forms. It can be being fired

00:21:24.100 from your job in the council office, it can be your child not being picked up on on by the school bus,

00:21:31.300 it can be having benefits cut, or it can be having suddenly you're getting complaints against you for

00:21:37.060 something going on on your property. And these are the kinds of things it's retaliation. And you learn

00:21:42.260 really quickly that you better just just be quiet, go back to your house, be quiet, and don't say

00:21:49.220 anything. And this is terribly unfair. And so I think one of the big things that Canadians and British

00:21:56.500 Columbians, in particular, probably feeling right now is that the generosity they felt and the desire to

00:22:01.780 help our Indigenous people because everybody wants out I don't know a Canadian who doesn't want that 0.95

00:22:06.900 a better situation in this in this regard. They are saying, Okay, now we have spent so much money on

00:22:13.460 this, it doesn't actually it's not improving, it's getting worse. So what is really going on here?

00:22:19.460 Where's the money going? What is happening here? How could this be possibly still in this condition?

00:22:27.140 When we have been working on this file since I was, you know, this has been going on for 50 years now,

00:22:33.860 trying to improve this, and it's gotten worse.

00:22:35.940 Here's a great example. I'm not going to name a particular band, but you will have bands out there

00:22:41.700 where the population on reserve is around 650 to 700 people. And we know that they will have budgets

00:22:49.780 per year given to them by the government of $25 million. And you and I actually last night,

00:22:55.460 just for the fun of it did the calculation. And it's like, how much money would that be per person?

00:23:00.100 If we just divide the money up and gave it to them, it's like $35,714. Let's just assume we have

00:23:06.660 to pay the accountant the extra $700 from each person in order to make it all work and split it up. Or

00:23:12.180 maybe it's even only $32,000 person because we still need a central office who deals with a few extra 0.60

00:23:18.020 issues. This is a band, some of these bands are right next to major cities, or at least medium-sized

00:23:23.780 cities, right next door. Opportunities are there. Each person, the whole band itself, it gets a $25

00:23:29.460 million budget that is not for anyone else who lives in the area who's not indigenous. And somehow the

00:23:34.820 poverty rates are extremely high because when the government starts managing people's lives,

00:23:39.300 it's only going to get worse. It's the old line, if the government managed the Sahara Desert,

00:23:44.340 there'd be a shortage of sand. That's right. That's right. That's exactly right. That's a good

00:23:49.220 one. I like that. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, this is the problem. I mean, the money,

00:23:57.780 what can we say? This is, that is not, that is actually $35,000 a year. For example,

00:24:05.140 there's some people that's their household income. Okay. In Canada. And then there's no tax paid on that

00:24:11.140 money either. So the whole thing is a mess and it needs a complete overhaul. Everybody knows it,

00:24:17.060 but the, the big problem we're facing is so many politicians don't want to talk about it because

00:24:21.220 I think this topic is probably the biggest hot potato in Canada politically. They're terrified

00:24:27.060 of speaking of it. Have you heard even Polly Eve or Mark Carney even talk about this yet? No,

00:24:32.420 not even a word. I was heartened, at least recently,

00:24:35.060 Polly, I've said that we just need to build pipelines and completely bypass consultation.

00:24:40.100 That was, that's been a big improvement. And by the way, that big improvement started

00:24:43.700 here in B.C. with 1BC. We're fine to have to, to lead. We just want people to eventually follow.

00:24:50.180 Yes. We, I call them leading from behind. So we, we're leading and we're sort of doing the dirty work

00:24:57.700 and, and raising the issues that nobody else wants to. And then they figure they poke their head out when

00:25:01.700 they think it might be politically safe. The Overton window has shifted adequately for them

00:25:05.780 to poke their head out and take a position on these things. So this, this, this situation,

00:25:11.300 the other big hot potato would be like, you know, things like private healthcare that we desperately

00:25:15.540 need in Canada for it to be allowed so that people stop leaving the country to get the healthcare they

00:25:19.620 need elsewhere. They can stay home and pay for it, keep the money here. But there are several sacred

00:25:24.740 cows in Canada that you're simply not allowed to talk about. And this has to stop because Canadians need it

00:25:30.420 to be discussed. They need to have someone talking about it. And, and whenever we're not talking

00:25:36.100 about it, people, they, they disconnect, they get cynical about the political system

00:25:41.700 and they get understandably frustrated. That was me too. That's why I'm in politics because I was

00:25:46.500 frustrated. I used to ask myself, how come the politicians aren't talking about the stuff that

00:25:50.820 needs to be talked about? And now I've learned what happens to you when you try and stick to the truth

00:25:56.180 and deal with issues, you get in big trouble in Victoria or in any party. And, you know, it takes

00:26:02.340 guts and it, you know, it hasn't been fun being me sometimes. I mean, it's been unpleasant on at

00:26:08.020 certain times. And yet I have the joy of actually being a person now who will speak truth. And you

00:26:13.380 can trust me that I will speak the truth and nobody can make me stop doing that.

00:26:18.820 No, I think, I think I've rabbit holed us away from the story I wanted to talk about, but I have,

00:26:23.620 I have found our path back into the storyline. I was wanting to tell here because I've had the

00:26:30.020 comments like this in the past, you know, as somebody who again helps manage 1BC, you get

00:26:35.380 people saying, well, why are you guys doing this? Is this not splitting the vote? Is this not just

00:26:41.380 letting the BC NDP win in some way? And the thing I want to, there's a couple of things that I think we

00:26:48.100 need to address here. One, it's the ideology. We've already kind of covered this. Things would have not

00:26:53.220 gone in the more positive direction on DRIPA and on the reconciliation industry grift if you did not

00:27:00.180 start doing what you're doing and have your own vehicle to do it from. But also I want to go back

00:27:04.980 to where I, we kind of, I took us off the trail of the story and that's going to how the BC Conservative

00:27:12.020 Party was run and the AGM that occurred right before that you were removed from the, right from the party

00:27:18.740 caucus. I can start this one off because I was actually there. The BC Conservatives, and it's

00:27:24.820 been proven by the way that they were doing the leadership review for John Rustad, it was blatantly

00:27:30.100 rigged. I've had people admit this to me who are still on side with the BC Conservatives. They were

00:27:35.060 revoking people's memberships left and right. They bust in over a hundred guys just to vote for the slate

00:27:39.460 John Rustad wants. The problem is right now in politics is that if a party does not feel like it

00:27:45.940 needs to provide the voters what they're demanding, it will just to keep ignoring them until there is

00:27:51.380 a threat. And even still, they still just want us to basically dry up and go away so that they can go

00:27:57.220 back to business as usual. And really they're still mostly operating business as usual right now.

00:28:02.740 I know you weren't present there, but it got to the point where I literally took a photo of the

00:28:07.300 people being busted and had the then, what was it, chief of staff of the caucus side, Azeem Jawani,

00:28:14.580 trying to intimidate me for taking issue with blatant voter fraud. You know, maybe it's technically

00:28:20.660 legal, but only in the internal party realm where you can effectively get away with whatever you want.

00:28:26.900 But that was a major one and that's how I think you can probably attest to the fact we've had tons of

00:28:31.540 people join us in the aftermath of the disrespect of the AGM.

00:28:35.860 Yeah. What went on in the AGM was disgusting. And this is precisely the behavior of political

00:28:42.500 parties that turns people off, including myself, to say, what are you doing? If you can't even be

00:28:47.780 honest in the way you run your AGM, why would we ever trust you to run the public purse or form

00:28:53.780 policy in Victoria? You're just, you're just all for yourselves and trying to guarantee an outcome.

00:29:00.580 This is not democracy. It's not okay. You need to win on your merits and stop trying to rig the game.

00:29:07.780 It's, it's terrible. And I, I don't believe that.

00:29:10.660 People who rigged the AGM, by the way, are in fact running the current BC conservative leadership race.

00:29:15.860 So, you know. Oh, great. Yeah. Great. Well, I, I can't imagine anything's changed there

00:29:23.220 because this is, this is their, their modus operandi. This is what they do. They try and

00:29:28.980 determine the outcome they want, and then they structure the game to make sure that they get

00:29:33.300 that outcome. And I, I, I don't understand this at all. Why not just, just live or die on the way

00:29:40.740 you actually conducting yourselves. If you've got good policy, you're going to get elected.

00:29:44.660 Like, let the people choose, but this is the control we're under.

00:29:49.380 Wyatt, you're way more well versed in politics. You've been doing this for a lot longer than I

00:29:53.220 have, but I've learned a lot. And I've realized how, um, the, the people behind the scenes run so

00:29:59.060 much of what goes on in politics. I had no idea. I used to wonder why things were always going so

00:30:03.860 sideways. And now I've realized there are all these, these backroom operatives who have absolutely

00:30:08.820 no principles whatsoever. And all they care about is their own paycheck, their own power tripping.

00:30:14.260 And a lot of them don't even have proper careers or things they've done before to like credentials.

00:30:21.220 Um, they haven't been out working for 40 years. They don't know they're in the backroom and they're

00:30:26.020 just like saying, I just want to keep my job. And that's not the way it should run. It's very

00:30:31.220 disappointing, but I've learned a lot.

00:30:32.980 It was incredible how so many MLAs seem to not be able to operate without the opinion

00:30:39.540 of one of these backroom actors who it's like, well, they're only going to tell you things that

00:30:43.700 benefit them. But people, when they get to the legislature, it's almost like they get tight,

00:30:48.660 they clam up and they're uncomfortable because they're a fish out of water. And so they just go

00:30:53.140 back to listening to the people who told them what to say and do during the campaign.

00:30:56.660 And they're not, you know, because it's that generic thing that's said about politics, you know,

00:31:01.700 people are controlled because of money or because of other, you know, influences in the backroom.

00:31:06.980 It's less influences. Sometimes it's just fear and incompetence. Somebody does not feel confident

00:31:12.980 to speak for themselves. And so they just keep relying on the same people who helped get them

00:31:17.140 elected. It's not because of money. It's not because they're being bribed or that someone's putting

00:31:21.140 pressure on them. They genuinely don't think that they have the ability to speak. And I think a lot

00:31:26.500 more MLAs need to find their voice and realize, no, no, you have something to add here. Say the

00:31:31.060 things that you think need to be said. Stop asking that person's permission, who's never put their

00:31:35.620 name on a ballot in their lives, to see what you should be doing.

00:31:39.780 That's exactly right. I mean, I often say when we got over there, there was sort of this wide open

00:31:44.820 stage of what we were allowed to talk about. And then as we got over there, that narrowed to this

00:31:48.980 couple of issues that you were safe to talk about, you know, fentanyl and problems in the hospitals.

00:31:55.380 And those were, you know, like, oh, oh, that's controversial. I mean, everybody knows those

00:31:59.780 are easy questions. It's harder to talk about the things that are more on the fringe. Like,

00:32:04.180 what is a woman? Or do we want the cultural issues like SOGI, DEI in our institutions, 1.00

00:32:12.980 land acknowledgements being forced on everybody, flags for our country at public buildings,

00:32:20.020 and this kind of thing. I mean, those are really important topics, but you find yourselves

00:32:24.980 intimidated out of talking about them, because they take a safety route. And I mean, there has to be,

00:32:31.060 I know there has to be discipline in parties. But what it should have been is like our party stands

00:32:35.380 for these five or seven issues. And we never even had that solid core base. We didn't, we couldn't even

00:32:40.980 get there because there was so much fighting about even core issues like SOGI, DEI, land acknowledge,

00:32:47.380 like these kinds of things should have been cast in stone, irrevocable, this is what we believe in,

00:32:53.380 and no nibbling at the edges. But, you know, even on some, yeah, even on things like SOGI,

00:32:59.060 where you think it should be just a slam dunk issue, the conservatives actually went into the

00:33:03.780 election basically talking about how all this material in classrooms and this instruction is just

00:33:09.140 absolutely inappropriate. It's disgusting. And then after the election, it became, well, it's,

00:33:13.460 it's not sexually inappropriate, it's age inappropriate. I'm like, that's a really weird

00:33:18.420 distinction to start making as soon as you take office that, well, maybe we just need to restrict

00:33:22.660 this only for high school students. Dude, I don't think 30 year olds, 60 year olds, I don't think

00:33:27.220 there's any age bracket that this stuff is appropriate to be viewing. And, but now we're,

00:33:32.260 now we're already starting to retreat and, and start to starting to just tinker. And I hate,

00:33:37.780 as somebody who has a master's degree in public policy, all that degree taught me was I hate

00:33:42.340 policy people. They genuinely just think if we tinker around the corners of really bad policy enough,

00:33:48.100 eventually we will, we will ascend into nirvana and utopia combined. Everything will be perfect

00:33:54.420 forever because we have passed the right combination of regulations to make everyone's lives better.

00:33:59.860 It's like, it's just not how it works. We'll eventually get into like what the 1BC party believes in.

00:34:04.820 But if you're a traditional conservative, you can probably just, whatever you probably think

00:34:09.700 is probably what we believe. It's simple, you know, hey, let's have less regulation, all that.

00:34:13.940 But, but now we can move ahead in the storyline because you talked about how the narrowing of

00:34:18.340 the issues happened under the conservatives. And then what happened once you were free from

00:34:22.420 that as an independent and then 1BC MLA. And how was the reaction in the legislature to you just

00:34:29.620 doing whatever you want after that? Well, it was funny because I heard that they all got lectured

00:34:34.340 big time and screamed at and yelled at. And if you ever do what Dallas Brody did, you will be sent to

00:34:39.060 political Siberia, just like we've done to her. We'll destroy you. We'll, you know, and they intimidated 0.99

00:34:43.860 everybody. And a lot of people who are my friends there still, they wouldn't even look at me. They wouldn't

00:34:48.420 even turn their heads to look at me. They, they were so, I could tell they had been just dominated and bullied

00:34:54.420 into, um, into a behavior that was like, we're not even going to acknowledge her existence. So, uh,

00:35:01.300 You keep calling it Stockholm syndrome in the office. I know it was. And so, you know, I was lucky to have

00:35:07.300 Tara working with me and we, we formed a party. And once we got, at first it was being an independence really hard.

00:35:14.020 You don't have a lot of presence in the legislature. Um, you get a decent budget, but you're sort of on your own and you have to find your way.

00:35:21.620 And once we formed the party, it was really good because, um, then Tara and I eat, we had a question

00:35:27.300 every day in the house, which was a precedent established, um, when the NDP made a deal with

00:35:32.900 the green party. And it used to be that you needed four MLAs to form official party status in the house,

00:35:40.020 but for the greens, they changed the rules so that you only needed two. And so, um, Jeremy, uh,

00:35:47.380 and Bob, Bob Botterill and Jeremy Valera would get a question every day. And so Tara and I were

00:35:52.340 getting questions every day, which was terrific. And we, um, we started, and then we also learned

00:35:58.820 how to introduce bills, which gave us an opportunity to really present our, um, our platform views and

00:36:04.980 what we believed in. And, um, because you have to find ways in the house to get your voice across

00:36:11.780 within the rules that are there. And so I believe in always, you know, stay within the lines,

00:36:17.220 color within the lines, but color boldly and do the best you can with the opportunities available

00:36:22.420 to you in that legislature. And that's, um, that's what we were doing.

00:36:26.580 Well, then you got the, but I'm, I want to get to the point where, uh, the house of, the, the sort of

00:36:32.260 the, not the house of commons, I guess, but just the legislative chamber, because you just,

00:36:36.580 you discovered how to, how to make an NDP's, uh, head explode. Oh yeah. There's a, there's,

00:36:42.260 there seems to be a very, uh, very easy formula to getting people to freak out. Cause the one

00:36:46.740 thing that's kind of sad about the legislative chamber, the federal house of commons is really

00:36:51.700 well mic'd up. If someone screams something from the other corner, you will hear it in, in the BC

00:36:56.740 legislature, still using like audio technology from like the 1950s. And so you will be sitting there

00:37:02.660 and if people ever watch it, sometimes you'll have like you or Tara would have like looked up and

00:37:07.140 like looked across quizzically. Cause you have some NDP people who you wouldn't normally expect

00:37:12.100 like screaming at you. And so how, how, so that I've, I've known you from working at the legislature

00:37:19.060 with you coming back downstairs the first few times and kind of feeling a bit frazzled because

00:37:23.700 some people cannot handle themselves at all. Like ready to jump the table and come at you with like

00:37:29.860 knives. Oh yeah. Well, Rick Lumack was one of them. Oh, he couldn't like when Tara, um,

00:37:36.420 introduced her bill about, um, stopping transgender surgeries on children. I mean, he, I couldn't believe 1.00

00:37:43.060 it, like the explosion of anger and it was really palpable. And then the whole group sitting around

00:37:49.300 him, Aurora and Shaw, they're just like constantly while you're speaking, they're like, Oh, she's so

00:37:54.740 disgusting. You can hear what they're saying. She's disgusting. She's a racist. You're gross. 1.00

00:38:00.020 Like they're just hurling insults at you across the room. And it's really, it's, well, it's distracting

00:38:06.660 while you're trying to talk in the legislature. Cause you know, I'm used to being in court. Uh,

00:38:11.540 I'm not afraid of speaking and making my arguments, but surely, but I mean, you know,

00:38:17.300 you just get used to it after a while and you just, you literally tune it out and keep going.

00:38:21.700 And you like, at first it was like, you'd stop almost and think, what did they just say?

00:38:25.780 And then you just get used to just talking right through it because, um, people, if you want to

00:38:30.260 clip the piece that you're saying in the house, people can't hear what they're saying. So if you're

00:38:33.780 stopping and looking around, people won't know what you're doing, but you're right.

00:38:36.980 The things that are being said in there are crazy. I mean, look at Eleanor Sterko.

00:38:40.580 My, yeah, my, my favorite part is still Eleanor Sterko trying to trip you from behind 1.00

00:38:45.220 and then like kind of moved over and like look straight at her. Like, are you the speaker? And you

00:38:49.460 look kind of like, it kind of like had that, like kind of look on her, on her face of like getting

00:38:53.860 actually called out. Cause everyone thinks that they're just going to like chirp you and, and,

00:38:57.780 and try and distract you from behind. And as soon as you turned around, it got very real.

00:39:02.580 Well, it did get real because actually what she was doing there was not her job.

00:39:06.500 She was, she didn't like the intro. You're allowed, whenever you ask a question in question

00:39:10.820 period, you have a brief opportunity or a short time to, well, Millibar pushes it to sometimes over a

00:39:17.380 minute and 15 seconds. I've timed him many times. His preambles to his questions go on and on and on

00:39:22.980 and on. If I go past 15 seconds with my preamble, I have, um, you know, people, Sterko started to say

00:39:30.100 question, question, please. And that's not her job. Her, uh, the speaker has the right to say member

00:39:37.300 question. And that's what, um, uh, the speaker will do. And that's his job. That's why I was listening to

00:39:43.300 this going. I don't, I don't, I don't buy into this. You're, I'm going to ask you, are you suddenly

00:39:47.300 the speaker? And, you know, I'm not going to put up with that stuff. That's what you're calling,

00:39:51.460 uh, you calling David Eby an anarchist in that very nicely done point of order was a lot of fun.

00:39:56.900 Where are you just, cause like, you know, if he's going to keep calling you a racist without

00:40:00.260 evidence, well, we have way more evidence. He's an anarchist and a communist. And you started like,

00:40:05.620 and that was a, that was a very fun point of order where it caused a lot of buzz around the

00:40:09.060 legislature for a few days. Cause they kind of realized that, yeah, we actually do it. Even

00:40:13.060 if we have to reign in our people and how they're talking or what's to stop any MLA from just, just

00:40:18.900 absolutely ripping another person to shreds, because you can say, well, I'm describing what

00:40:23.700 she's doing. I'm not saying she's a rape, like, come on, come on. And also it's just without evidence.

00:40:28.580 So they're just acting as complete smear artists. It became a total smear. And the thing is like,

00:40:34.660 there are rules in the standing orders about you're not allowed to use offensive language.

00:40:38.820 Against other members. You can yell, like, even just watch the British parliament. There's always

00:40:43.220 a lot of guffawing. Like it's a rowdy room. There's no question. I don't mind people being

00:40:47.940 rowdy in there. In fact, I think there could be even almost a little bit more of that, but we, but

00:40:52.820 the actual personal shots at people, like that's, and that's what I was calling David to be out for

00:41:00.420 is like, this is offensive language. And I said to the speaker, if he's going to be allowed to do that,

00:41:05.220 then there should be no limits on the offensive words I can use against him. And I have many,

00:41:10.420 many, those were only four I offered stupid, incompetent, financially illiterate, and an 0.61

00:41:16.660 anarchist. I could give you 25 more words to describe him.

00:41:20.820 I actually wouldn't mind us being more like the UK system where you can be a little bit more

00:41:26.740 offensive. But the problem is, is that again, what happens in the BC legislature is the speaker will

00:41:32.740 correct members language who aren't the NDP and the NDP can be as offensive as they want.

00:41:37.940 And they'll always have a cute excuse for why it doesn't matter. So once you did that,

00:41:41.380 then the speaker, like, like kind of realized that he's going to get like destroyed in the

00:41:45.780 media eventually, if he keeps letting this go on, because it's getting pretty obvious what's going

00:41:50.420 on. Like again, whether it's an NDP supporter or not, or they even an NDP supporter would probably

00:41:57.380 see what they're saying. Like, yeah, this is getting pretty unparliamentary in a lot of ways.

00:42:01.380 But I want to talk about because we kind of invoked it a little bit by bringing up how

00:42:04.500 Peter Milibar was doing question period. That's the funny thing. You as having a question,

00:42:09.780 even back when before when you were just an independent, and you only had the question

00:42:13.780 every three weeks, and we're currently in that position again, but we're figuring it out,

00:42:17.380 we know what to do for, for getting our message.

00:42:19.700 We've got plans.

00:42:20.580 Absolutely. But even when you only had a question every three weeks, the questions had far more

00:42:27.220 impact than anything the conservatives were doing, because this is, this is the ridiculous

00:42:32.260 nature of how the conservatives operate. They will pick a theme of the day. And the theme of the day

00:42:38.100 is like crime. And it becomes like a, it becomes like a singing along where they're like, I don't like

00:42:44.500 crime. How about you? I don't like crime. And then they pass it off to one of their MLAs. And they're

00:42:47.780 like, someone got punched in the face in my writing. Will you apologize? And the minister

00:42:51.300 will get up and like, um, well, I'm, I'm, I'm very sorry, uh, to, to Mrs. So and so. And, uh,

00:42:57.220 we have this new program. And then it would, they would be like, I don't have the crime. How

00:43:00.500 about you? And then they go to another ML and they're like, someone was kicked in the face in

00:43:03.620 my right. It's like, guys, who is this convincing? But the thing is that it's the BC conservatives

00:43:09.540 communications was being run by consultant brain to people who think that the way that you win,

00:43:15.940 you win a narrative fight is by just repeating the same issue over and over again. I'm like,

00:43:21.140 guys, that's, this is not how the media works. Voters are not going to see, sit down and watch

00:43:26.980 seven hours of you guys for over the last year, asking the same question over and over again.

00:43:31.540 And they'll eventually be convinced by that. Either they agree with you now,

00:43:34.900 or they don't agree with you. And you just need to mobilize people. But you and Tara were asking unique

00:43:39.940 questions every day. Sometimes it'd be on the same subject matter, but it would be on a different

00:43:44.180 angle to that subject matter. Apologize for ERs being closed. And I always think about that,

00:43:50.260 like, well, what's the conservatives going to do about that? They don't want to go for,

00:43:53.620 they don't want to have a bring in private delivery of healthcare. That's the only way we're going to 1.00

00:43:57.700 fix this slashing administration hard and bringing in private options, but they don't want to do that.

00:44:03.220 Yeah, that's true. And I used to, I used to be so frustrated watching them wasting their question

00:44:08.340 period that way. I'm thinking, my God, you guys, you've got whatever number of questions they get,

00:44:13.060 12 or whatever the conservatives would have, and they would waste them. And I, of course,

00:44:17.540 every question I got was like precious, precious metal to me. I'm like, this is my chance to do work

00:44:24.340 for the people and ask the questions, even if they're unpopular and difficult and, and, and like,

00:44:35.860 you know, tricky, like you have to ask them because we're talking about public money. We're talking

00:44:43.220 about what the people need. And we, we have to use these questions, because it's really the only

00:44:47.460 opportunity you get to hold the government's feet to the fire. You know, the committees are a joke,

00:44:52.980 there don't really, nothing really happens in them. So question period is extremely important.

00:44:58.260 And I would get, I would just, and you know, when they would ask seven questions in a row of Josie

00:45:02.980 Osborne, the health minister, I mean, you know, love her or hate her, I gotta say, she is very good at

00:45:09.540 what she does in there. And she's super good at running out the clock. So every answer she gave

00:45:13.300 sounded exactly the same. And they just let her say the same thing over and over again, seven times.

00:45:17.860 So they're not getting anywhere. And I would have, I don't know why they adopted that, that strategy.

00:45:24.420 But, you know, we, we really tried to take our questions and make sure we made maximum use of that

00:45:30.740 moment to put a question to the government and make them answer. And, you know, you can't make them

00:45:36.820 answer, but you have to, you know, these questions need to be cutting right through and saying, look,

00:45:42.420 people want to know this and you have a job to do as opposition too, by the way,

00:45:46.900 you're not there just to be popular and make new friends. You're there to do a job.

00:45:51.380 Yeah. And here's, here's something I want to show on screen, just to back up the point that we're

00:45:56.580 having an impact and people are actually like, this is actually having a massive policy and cultural

00:46:02.660 effect on the rest of Canada. This is something that just happened recently.

00:46:07.140 Oh yeah.

00:46:08.100 In regard to the Kamloops issue. The headline here is Ottawa ordered to release Kamloops

00:46:12.580 grave records after access law breached. And effectively the privacy commissioner federally

00:46:18.100 has had to call out the Kamloops, the Kamloops band out in Kamloops, as well as the federal

00:46:25.140 government for not actually releasing progress reports for the excavations that were supposed to

00:46:30.820 be done for the money. So hack MLA, sorry, hack MPs like Wade Grant, Grant Wade, whatever his name is,

00:46:37.140 they can say whatever they want about the cultural sensitivity of it. Even the federal

00:46:41.700 privacy commissioner knows that they were given $12 million combined. I'm not sure if that's all the

00:46:47.460 federal money. It is a little bit of, you know, provincial and federal money combined, but they

00:46:52.180 know that's what they paid for. And they're looking for progress reports and the government that's too

00:46:56.740 woke to push for it is now being literally held accountable by a judge saying that you can't just

00:47:02.500 give money out and then have zero actual deliverables that they have to give you.

00:47:07.060 And so this would not be something that would happen without you speaking out without the making

00:47:13.380 a killing documentary, because even these people who live in liberal bubbles realize eventually normal

00:47:19.460 people are going to start asking the exact same questions. And this is not just asking questions for

00:47:24.340 the fun of it. These are questions with very easy answers that they should be able to ask. And the fact

00:47:28.820 that there's no answers, it's concerning. When you're taking public money, all questions are on

00:47:35.220 the table. All information should be released about what's going on with that. There's no privacy when

00:47:40.500 you're taking public money. That's the way it is. And if you're if you're the Kamloops ban actually

00:47:46.660 demanded funding to do the excavations. It wasn't just the federal government paid over 320 million for

00:47:53.860 diggings across the country. The Kamloops ban received specifically 12.1 million. And the money,

00:48:00.900 I take it has all been spent, but no digging has been done. And so this is now coming. We're now

00:48:06.580 really getting down to the wire here. Are you we're going to see the progress reports? Did you do any

00:48:12.820 digging? And the sense is there hasn't been any digging done. I mean, they've actually in so much as

00:48:18.420 said that because they don't want to disrupt. They don't they say they shouldn't have to do that.

00:48:24.020 Well, you know, of course, I beg to differ on that. If you're accusing the country of mass murder,

00:48:30.420 you have to provide the evidence. And that is the same for any crime scene. And you know,

00:48:36.100 you can't just and then people have said to me, Oh, but you're, you shouldn't have to dig up your own

00:48:42.740 grandparents to prove that they died. I'm like, No, if I'm saying my mother was murdered, and I buried

00:48:50.020 her in my backyard, then and I and I accuse someone of murdering them, I have to produce the evidence

00:48:57.460 that there was a murder. And even if your parents don't die of a murder, you still have to you can't

00:49:03.860 just take the body and put it wherever you want, you have to get a death certificate, it has to be

00:49:08.660 registered properly, obviously. So this is, this is a silly argument that somehow, this is indecent to

00:49:16.020 require there be evidence of this, it's, it's got to be done. People want the truth. And I think it's

00:49:21.460 time for the band and this whole industry to just say we need to admit, we've made a mistake here.

00:49:29.140 We shouldn't have taken this this far. We're not going to dig, or we're going to dig or and it should,

00:49:35.780 by the way, the digging should also be done by a properly constituted investigative group. It,

00:49:43.700 you know, you don't just allow people to go into a crime scene and start digging around in there,

00:49:49.700 it needs to be done properly. And so you know, I think that we're getting down to the truth here,

00:49:54.900 and it's going to become very uncomfortable. The longer you cling to a lie like this, the farther

00:50:00.820 you're going to fall and pride is involved. And it's terrible. Why? And you've been calling on for

00:50:05.940 the to chem loops band. And what was her first name is it's a chief Casimir that they should be

00:50:13.300 handing all the money back plus plus interest to the federal government. It was earmarked for a purpose.

00:50:20.820 So if you're not going to use it for that, then refund it and you have to pay interest on it, you've now had

00:50:24.820 it for four and a half years. That's a long time to have someone else's money. And we're not talking

00:50:29.460 about $12,000 here. And that would even be too much. We're talking about $12.1 million. This is a

00:50:36.900 staggering amount of money, a staggering amount of money. Why was that amount even needed to do this

00:50:43.460 digging? One may actually go all the way and say the T word that this, this sounds like theft, because

00:50:51.300 that's what usually happens when you exploit a government program. This happened during COVID

00:50:56.820 when people lied about running a business. And I actually have, you know, I have 18 employees,

00:51:02.020 and I have they're all laid off. And I have this much business I usually do. And they were getting

00:51:06.340 subsidies from the government to sustain fake businesses. If they found out you did that,

00:51:10.740 you would be in court, you'd be tried, you might be going to prison for multiple years. And they would

00:51:15.060 even see some of your assets to pay the money back. But we're in a situation where genuinely,

00:51:20.820 the government is so woke that some people are allowed to lie, some people are effectively

00:51:24.900 allowed to steal money. And it's okay, because well, truth and reconciliation, minus the truth,

00:51:31.700 and just the reconciliation part. And at some point, people even have to ask, like,

00:51:36.340 what does reconciliation even mean? Because now we move into another part of the story. And it's the

00:51:40.100 Cowichan decision over land in Richmond. And we have the Kamloops claim over all of Kamloops. And we have

00:51:49.140 the Queen Charlotte Islands issue with Haida Gwaii. This reconciliation thing isn't exactly working out

00:51:55.620 too well. But this is the part of it where people want to push back on even these, or we'll get to

00:52:01.140 this part of the story. But there's the there's the court issue. And then there's also the land that

00:52:07.300 was already being given away by the government voluntarily, much of it actually under the BC

00:52:12.020 liberals when Rustad was the Indigenous Affairs Minister. Yes. I mean, you know, we're, we need,

00:52:20.340 we need to stop this, the voluntary transfer of land, money and power needs to stop immediately.

00:52:27.140 So we need to stop that. And we need to repeal DRIPA. And we need to declare UNDRIP of no force in

00:52:34.980 effect in British Columbia. We need to lobby the federal government. And we need to start asking for a

00:52:41.140 change to Section 35 of the Constitution Act of Canada of 1982. And we, we need to have all of

00:52:51.060 these reserves start operating as normal townships and municipalities and normalize the structure on

00:52:56.900 there and let the native people own their lands free simple, and get back to proper land ownership 0.99

00:53:02.660 and not have these, these like ethno communist states existing throughout our country. There are only

00:53:09.380 certain people getting, getting better off by that system. I mean, isn't there recently some people

00:53:15.620 being flown out of a, of a reserve somewhere where they, they don't have good water like this is just

00:53:20.500 happening. As we're speaking, I think there's, I just was reading an article about the vision. How

00:53:24.580 could this possibly be? Well, there was also that case where a chief was finally forced to actually

00:53:29.940 disclose expenses, because it was the chief and council effectively just looting the band by taking

00:53:37.540 literally millions and millions of dollars that was supposed to be earmarked for actual benefits

00:53:41.860 for people on reserve. And it was just spent on pretty much anything but, and that's not a rarity.

00:53:46.900 That almost seems like it's pretty much the rule that on a reserve with the privacy issues that we

00:53:52.500 have, you can't actually ask any questions. And you actually published that, how much it cost to rename,

00:53:58.740 what was it, Trutch Street. And that became that you were the villain, despite the fact that,

00:54:04.340 before exposing that other people are taking $35,000 to walk three blocks over and, and be at

00:54:09.780 a present, a presentation ceremony for a new name no one can actually pronounce.

00:54:14.900 And that's the, that's just the money we know about that was spent on that little endeavor.

00:54:19.460 Renaming a street and I've been over there, the people that are not happy about it,

00:54:23.220 they have to change their driver's licenses, their, their credit card, like, it has been,

00:54:28.820 like, some people might have 50 or 60 different places, they need to change their address now to

00:54:33.220 something they can't pronounce or deal with. And, and it's just, anyway, this, these topics are

00:54:38.660 actually covered, like, there were two extremely brave Indigenous men who appeared in our documentary,

00:54:45.140 the documentary called Making a Killing. And I, I'm not just sort of like, just trying to pander or

00:54:50.900 push this on people, but it is an important documentary to see. I really recommend it because two,

00:54:55.780 one, one Indigenous man named Aaron Point, who's from the Musqueam Reserve, came on and spoke openly,

00:55:03.460 took great courage, and another Indigenous man named Robert Louie, who's from the Lower Kootenay Band,

00:55:09.380 came on and spoke to us as well. So don't take it from me that there's a problem on the reserves,

00:55:14.180 listen to what these men say. And, and I've been contacted by other Indigenous people, we're getting

00:55:19.940 more and more phone calls, letters, and we're meeting with more and more people who are saying,

00:55:24.100 this is going on in our reserve, this is going on here and there. And these people are frustrated too.

00:55:29.940 So they can call me, say this is racist, it's not racist at all. It's actually fairness and proper

00:55:36.420 discussion about a matter of intense public interest right now. And when we've got this

00:55:40.260 much money going to a file, all questions are on the table. And I keep coming back to that,

00:55:44.660 we have to know the truth. Because we can't move forward as a country, well, as a province or a

00:55:50.020 country, if we're basing policy on falsehoods, and untruth. And I think a lot of people are getting

00:55:55.940 wealthy, we talk about the reconciliation industry, which is comprised of lawyers, accountants,

00:56:00.740 consultants, and developers and chiefs and counsel, and those people are getting wealthy, but the

00:56:05.460 others aren't. And furthermore, federal government policy isn't supposed to make people millionaires,

00:56:11.140 it's supposed to just make things better and working properly for people. This isn't designed to

00:56:16.980 create a billionaire class. I don't even know how we got off onto this. This is crazy stuff.

00:56:22.660 Here's a great example as well of something that I actually genuinely think is racist,

00:56:27.540 how random activists left wing activists are able to effectively just say that they speak on behalf of

00:56:34.180 an entire ethnicity. And so we just had an episode of this before Mark Carney went off to bow before

00:56:40.580 Xi Jinping in China, where he met with the coast, the coastal First Nations,

00:56:45.380 right, in which it's a organization, a left wing eco socialist organization, who is against all oil

00:56:53.700 and gas development against pipeline pretty much against any resource development that you could

00:56:57.940 name. And Carney basically took these people seriously and is and is basing whether or not

00:57:04.340 Canada will build a pipeline on the opinions of left wing activists who literally represent effectively

00:57:10.820 no actual indigenous people. And by the way, all indigenous people are individuals and we should

00:57:15.220 stop thinking about people like we need to ask all, you know, like, we would obviously find it absurd

00:57:19.700 that if you were in a township, we have to ask all the white people what they think.

00:57:22.820 We have to have a council of white people to tell us what white people think it's like,

00:57:26.100 or everyone probably has different interests because they're human beings.

00:57:29.460 They have different opinions. They have different life experiences.

00:57:32.820 They have different. But the thing is that we have literally our entire economy nationally being

00:57:38.820 stymied by these ridiculous race politics of who you have to talk to to get a pipeline through.

00:57:44.260 And half the time you're just talking to leftists and that's it.

00:57:46.900 Well, this is a big problem. And, you know, the media did not do its job once again in in in exposing

00:57:53.220 what's really been going on in British Columbia since starting about 20, 25 years ago when the Tides

00:57:58.820 Foundation now called the make way.org or something, they've changed their name because the the heat,

00:58:05.860 the heat is turning up, I think. But Tides, Tides Canada, which is a subsidiary of Tides Foundation

00:58:12.340 in the United States, and then another group, the Rockefeller Foundation. And then, you know,

00:58:16.340 Soros has probably got his his tentacles in here as well with his opens. They've been working hard on

00:58:22.260 on stop of stopping development in British Columbia for a long time.

00:58:27.380 And I wish they would get out of our province and go mind their own business. And I, you know,

00:58:34.100 I swear if I were even premier for one day, I would say, get out of BC. You're not allowed to operate

00:58:40.260 here anymore. We're cutting off all this, this stuff coming in from these massive,

00:58:45.860 multi billionaire organizations out of the United States and other places around the world.

00:58:50.580 And mind your own business, because British Columbians want to manage our own affairs. 0.99

00:58:54.580 And we can do that just fine without your meddling. And that's what we need to be working on is getting

00:59:00.260 power back into the hands of British Columbians, because a lot of us are noticing more and more

00:59:04.900 control coming down on us. And it's always a mystery. Like, who asked for this? Where did this

00:59:10.340 come from? Why? Why am I being told there's a scarcity of water in British Columbia? That's ridiculous.

00:59:17.300 We have so much water here. Like my, my lawn is so wet. I can't even walk on it without sinking.

00:59:22.420 I mean, this is, we are being told how many toilets we can have in our houses. We're being

00:59:27.060 told what cars we should drive. We're being told how much, how much water can come out of our shower

00:59:32.180 head. I mean, this is really going too far. And I don't think anybody ever voted for control of our

00:59:37.620 personal lives like this. If you want to use less water, please go ahead and do that. If you want to pay

00:59:42.740 more taxes, please go ahead and pay more if you want to. If you want an electric car, do it. But

00:59:46.580 we shouldn't be forcing people's lives. And a lot of this forcing is coming from outside entities

00:59:51.780 that are bypassing our normal democratic institutions, and contracting out things that

00:59:56.980 we're finding like our cities are changing. Who asked for that bike lane? I think it's absolutely

01:00:02.500 fair to say that we should be treating organizations like tides, make way.org, and all these other

01:00:09.060 organizations that are funding eco-activist groups in British Columbia. They should be treated the

01:00:13.620 same way we would treat it if there was a Chinese Communist Party front group operating nonprofits

01:00:20.100 in Vancouver area. If we found it's effectively, it's not a foreign government, but it's effectively

01:00:25.780 a hostile foreign entity operating a nonprofit in your region. You know, lobbying happens. That's fine.

01:00:33.140 But when it's an organization who's effectively being foreign funded to stop up your economy,

01:00:38.100 that's no longer local interest. That is foreign interest, basically throwing money at an issue

01:00:43.940 in order to basically stop up development. Because these organizations file what are effectively

01:00:49.060 hostile lawsuits, claims in the court in order to stop up projects, and our current policy effectively

01:00:56.020 allows it. And I think not only should the policy be altered so that you can't challenge every single

01:01:00.820 piece of development that happens, but also your organization has to be publicly registered as a

01:01:05.860 foreign entity, so that you can't hide behind the fact that you represent every, you know,

01:01:10.260 I represent all British Columbians in the trees, too.

01:01:13.460 Yeah. Well, imagine, imagine for a second, if we found out that there was something called the

01:01:18.420 Trump Foundation that was working here on behalf. Do you think the media would report that? It would be

01:01:24.340 every day, nonstop, all day long. But when it's the Tides Foundation or these other leftist organizations out

01:01:31.380 of the United States, the media does not do its job exposing this. There was one woman who did a lot

01:01:37.380 of work on this, named Vivian Krauss, I believe, years ago, was exposing all of this. And of course,

01:01:41.540 what did they do? They sued her into the ground, I believe, is what happened with her. But she was 0.97

01:01:45.460 trying to expose, look, if you can landlock Alberta, they can't develop. And this is the whole point.

01:01:52.500 Lock up British Columbia, it stops anything from flowing. And, you know, they, they've done a good

01:01:58.260 job. All these things like the Great Bear Wine Forest, all of these different campaigns they've

01:02:04.980 done has been nothing but to stop and shut down a province that was built on resource extraction.

01:02:12.020 That's what our province was built on. We were a primary industry province, we could do better to

01:02:16.340 have more manufacturing here and so on. But we need to develop our resources. I mean, Wyatt,

01:02:22.900 right now, apparently, we're importing fiber for our sawmills from the United States. This is insane.

01:02:28.660 We've had trees everywhere. We have trees and trees and trees. Like,

01:02:33.060 why would we be importing trees from somewhere else when we've got trees

01:02:38.020 everywhere? And I know a clear cut doesn't look pretty right after it's done. But good things happen

01:02:42.740 after that. The fauna grows up, the deer like the food, they, they, you know, and we now replant.

01:02:48.660 And there are ways to minimize the actual long term damage of these things. But we need to use our

01:02:52.660 resources. Every other country does. Why should British Columbia- Well, apparently, apparently,

01:02:56.900 we, every, every single tree in British Columbia is pretty much old growth at this point, based on the

01:03:02.500 activist definition. And it shows the hypocrisy that they're willing to import what would probably be

01:03:08.660 labeled old growth trees from Northern California and Washington and Oregon. You can get trees from

01:03:14.980 there. Those trees are fine to cut down and process in British Columbia, but you can't cut down the trees

01:03:20.500 that are just kilometers away from the paper mills and the lumber mills. Like, why? And I've heard,

01:03:26.100 we've had people reach out to us from the lumber paper mill industry saying they've met with the

01:03:32.820 forest minister Ravi Parmar, and they've pulled him all the policy issues. They've told him the

01:03:37.620 reconciliation industry hurdles. They've told him about all the environmental regulations making

01:03:42.420 impossible to cut down a tree. And he'll listen to them, and he'll pretend that he cares. And then

01:03:47.060 he'll just go back and keep blaming Donald Trump for everything. Because even though all the mills

01:03:51.300 were shutting down before Donald Trump showed up, apparently, it's now all Donald Trump's fault.

01:03:55.300 Well, that's a convenient deflection. Trump is doing, Trump is fighting for America right now,

01:04:00.980 and we should be fighting for British Columbia. But instead, what, what it feels like when I'm in the

01:04:05.460 legislature is that every discussion, every third word is First Nations or Indigenous. I'm not kidding 1.00

01:04:10.820 you. It is, and this is a, this is not a high percentage of the population of BC. What about

01:04:16.820 the rest of the people here? And what about the economy? How are we even going to support First

01:04:21.540 Nations if there's no economy? We're running out of money. I mean, the whole thing is so catastrophically

01:04:28.420 flawed that it's going to take a big course correction. It can be done. But we need really,

01:04:35.300 really bold leadership right now. Bold, bold leadership.

01:04:38.340 And maybe what we can do is go into the specific policy stances that our parties take in. Because,

01:04:43.700 like, it's, you said this in another interview with the New Westminster Times, like, the province

01:04:49.300 could literally be turned around and prosperous in, like, weeks. It literally is very simple. And you

01:04:54.660 can maybe, I guess, go down the list of stuff that already just comes to mind of easy fixes.

01:04:59.060 Yes. Well, I mean, some easy fixes is immediately, let's, let's lower taxes. Let's, let's lower taxes

01:05:04.820 on people so they can keep more of their money. That's a start. Then, you know, but I've had business

01:05:10.020 people say to me, this is so easy to fix. Like, let's, and the first thing is like these endless

01:05:15.460 environmental consultations, endless, endless Indigenous consultations, which usually are comprised of

01:05:22.980 more environmental consultations on top of the other environmental consultations that have

01:05:27.540 already been done. And now we're looking at amendments to the Heritage Conservation Act,

01:05:31.380 which is going to strangle development even more. And we have to make it make our province a place

01:05:36.980 where it's welcoming business in and making it a place where people want to come to invest millions

01:05:43.140 and millions and millions of dollars. It's not cheap to open a mine. And yes, mines do have things

01:05:50.100 that are not, they're, they don't look pretty. They're not always perfect, but you know what?

01:05:55.860 We can't just expect other countries to manufacture for the stuff we want. Why are we okay with them

01:06:02.820 having these things, but not with us? We have to sit here living in a park and everybody else gets all

01:06:08.660 the jobs. That's not going to work anymore. And we, we need to, we can kickstart this. There is a,

01:06:14.100 we, we can do it. And we just need smart people in there just to lead the way and show us how to go

01:06:20.180 forward with this. And I don't think people realize how absurd the regulations are in British Columbia

01:06:25.460 right now. All regulations and codes added together are 173,000 individual regulations and codes,

01:06:34.260 where in Alberta, right next door, it's only 80,000 on the books, literally less than half of the ones that

01:06:42.100 are in British Columbia, because it's just become a bureaucratic dictatorship in BC. And it's to the

01:06:47.860 point where like the, like our plan is to cut taxes by 25% across the board, you would literally bring

01:06:54.100 in more revenues if you did that for the government. So even in the most selfish, even in the most self,

01:06:59.860 like from a selfish perspective from the government, if they cut taxes, they would bring in more revenues

01:07:04.420 because people would stop leaving the province and more people would invest in it. It's ridiculous.

01:07:09.060 But the thing is that they don't actually understand how the economy works. So they simply think that

01:07:13.220 the more you raise taxes, the more you're going to bring in. And it's like, no, people just leave

01:07:18.180 because people are allowed to leave. We still have that much freedom to be able to move to a different

01:07:21.700 province or to a different country. Yeah. I mean, people are leaving and capital is leaving.

01:07:27.460 People who can afford to leave are leaving. They are. I have a friend who's a tax lawyer who's just

01:07:32.500 telling me, I said, are you doing a lot of plans for people to leave the province? He goes all day,

01:07:37.060 every day. People are nervous. This has become a, uh, people are concerned what is going to happen

01:07:43.700 with their money, with their properties and so on. And, and that these are legitimate concerns.

01:07:47.780 I mean, we are watching, we now have a 53% upper tax rate in Canada, and that's just not okay. People

01:07:55.060 are, that means they're working half the year for the government. That's not a good way to go.

01:08:00.660 And that's, that's even, it's even more than that, because if that person owns a business and like,

01:08:05.140 you know, God forbid, it's a big business, you're already paying the combined corporate tax rate of

01:08:10.740 at least 25 or 30% all combined. And then the money that you end up paying yourself at the end of the

01:08:16.180 year is 53%. And then you go to the grocery store and you're paying the 7% PST on top of the GST.

01:08:22.500 And it's like, we could cut all of this. And that's, and that doesn't even get down to the

01:08:27.220 people who do own properties who have to pay property tax and property tax is paid out of

01:08:31.700 after tax income. So it's like a double bite. And, and people, young people are getting discouraged

01:08:39.860 in BC in particular, but in Canada in general, because they can't accumulate any capital anymore.

01:08:44.900 You can't try accumulating even $10,000. Try saving that. It's really hard to do right now.

01:08:51.460 When the tax rate is so high, we have to get the taxation under control. And a lot of this is going

01:08:57.060 to involve cutting back the size of government. And I've always believed that people will spend their

01:09:02.980 money better than the government can spend it for them. I have a pet store that I go to, and he was

01:09:08.900 telling me that his business jumps immediately. Like, this is just a small pet store, um, on Broadway

01:09:16.420 in my, and it's not actually not in my writing, but it's it, they have fish and gerbils and stuff like

01:09:21.060 that. It's really cute birds. Anyway. Um, when the, don't endorse them or they'll have a brick thrown

01:09:27.140 through their window because of Dallas. I won't say when the, when the tax rebates come, so say tax

01:09:32.260 rebates come back and you get your $300 back. You know what his business spikes immediately because

01:09:36.980 someone comes in and they can now afford the fish tank that they really wanted or the new, um, uh,

01:09:44.020 cage for their birds or something. And so that's just based on a, a refund of two to $300 maybe for

01:09:50.820 a tax rebate. So the instant jump to the economy, like it happens immediately. And, um, in the early

01:09:56.340 2000s, when Gordon Campbell, um, who I thought was a good premier, did a good job for a long time here.

01:10:01.380 He, um, he cut the income tax. It was a huge cut. Was it 50? It was huge.

01:10:06.580 Some brackets were 50%, but it was incredible. And apparently the instant bounce to the economy,

01:10:13.140 the bounce to the economy was instant. It didn't take even two months. It was boom. People, uh,

01:10:19.300 thought, okay, good. I don't need to pay this X amount. And that's much better for the economy

01:10:23.780 than sending it to the government, having us, uh, fiddle around with it and then, um, spend it back

01:10:29.540 out on our political friends. Cause I see a lot of waste in Victoria, Wyatt. There's a lot of,

01:10:33.940 this is the pro and this is the problem too. Like you can't, and this is what goes back. Honestly,

01:10:38.180 this is probably a big reason why the BC conservatives didn't end up crossing the

01:10:42.180 finish line in the last election. And, uh, like also on top of spending donor money horribly during it and

01:10:50.180 wasting cash. The, the BC conservative campaign provincially in 2024 was run like Kamala Harris's

01:10:56.580 campaign. Like 50% of the money was on salaries for people that you couldn't tell what they did.

01:11:02.020 But like, like another reason was like, John, John did not run on a tax cut. I was waiting for

01:11:08.820 the tax cut to be announced. It's like, no, we have the rusted rebate. I'm like, stop this rebate

01:11:13.780 politics. Just cut taxes. Guess what? For the average working class person, the average working

01:11:19.380 class person on a provincial level doesn't actually pay that much income taxes. It's only like 5.6%.

01:11:24.500 You know, that for, for somebody that is still a decent chunk of their income. Cause you're

01:11:28.420 struggling with the high costs. But a bigger thing for them is take the PST, take it from 7% to five,

01:11:34.740 and then maybe even take it lower than that. Eventually, you know, take corporate taxes and

01:11:38.980 cut corporate taxes, 25%. Cause guess what? People shop at the stores paying those corporate taxes.

01:11:44.420 And so even if you're only focused on the, those making less than a hundred thousand,

01:11:49.700 it will benefit them. If the corporation they work for, or they shop at is paying less. Like

01:11:54.900 we have to stop this stupid class warfare type politics where we only want benefits for certain

01:12:00.020 people. Like you either have to benefit everybody or nobody.

01:12:03.140 Well, you know, and I've also said, people will say, we need to tax the, the super rich more and

01:12:08.340 more. And I, I've said to people, look, even if you took away all of Jimmy Patterson's money,

01:12:13.060 um, even if you took away all the money from the, the very top business people in British Columbia

01:12:19.060 and just confiscated it all, let's take everything away from them. Let's sell their boats, their cars.

01:12:24.100 Let's take everything away from these incredible people who have built these businesses.

01:12:28.980 It would pay for government for about three days. And what do you have then? The government,

01:12:33.940 the money has been pissed away and now, uh, there's no business left and that's the end of it.

01:12:40.180 It's just incredible to think that that is a way to way ahead. But I mean, I know people,

01:12:44.900 they love to launch this class warfare stuff and it's super dangerous for society. We need the high earners. 0.99

01:12:50.260 We need these people who have dedicated their lives. I mean, Jimmy Patterson started selling cars

01:12:54.580 when he was a young guy in college, he's worked his way up and he's a brilliant businessman.

01:12:59.380 And remember the richest person in British Columbia is still the government. Effectively,

01:13:04.660 the premier is always the richest person because they have access to a $98 billion budget. And I'm

01:13:10.660 pretty sure that Jimmy Patterson doesn't have that with all of his assets across Canada still.

01:13:15.540 Yeah. And people just because someone says their net worth is this, that money is invested in things

01:13:19.620 and it's, and it's paying for employment. It's giving services. It's doing things there.

01:13:23.780 Jimmy Patterson doesn't sit there with buckets of coins in his living room. I mean, he's got it

01:13:28.740 invested in stores and employees and, and trucks delivering things. And I even see some of the

01:13:35.380 guys who call themselves like the new right in Canada and in BC politics, they'll be like, well,

01:13:40.660 we want middle-class tax cuts, but, but we, I actually, I'm fine with higher taxes on the upper,

01:13:45.460 on upper income earners and corporations. I'm like, oh my goodness, you don't get it.

01:13:50.020 The new, some of these new right guys have circled all the way back around to just being socialists

01:13:54.260 again. I know it's, it's really not a healthy way. And we should be telling people we need

01:14:00.420 these. And if so, if they've worked their way up and they own a nice car or a boat,

01:14:05.460 what's wrong with that? Like, what's wrong with that? If, if, if Jimmy Patterson has a nice boat,

01:14:10.660 so he's earned every penny of it. And also, by the way, that big boat, he employs probably 50 people

01:14:16.260 a month just to maintain it. So it's not like it's, it's, it's really, we need to start saying

01:14:22.260 we should celebrate success. We should be happy when people do well, because people who are doing well,

01:14:28.580 are employing people and they're spending money and they're going to restaurants and they're buying

01:14:35.140 things and they're going, they're buying clothes and they're buying, they're going on trips and,

01:14:39.300 and they're going fishing or, but this provides employment. And I don't like just, I don't like

01:14:46.740 anything that smacks of the politics of resentment and jealousy. We need to stop that and encourage

01:14:53.300 people to do the best they can help the people who are struggling, give them a hand up. And, but we,

01:14:58.660 we can't just criticize the people who are the real industrial leaders and the people who are

01:15:04.420 building things here. It's like the old Margaret Thatcher line that the left would rather the poor

01:15:09.220 be poor as long as the rich were also less rich, which means that you're just going to make everyone

01:15:14.180 worse off in the long run. I want to get to this list out here just to, just to give people a general

01:15:18.820 sample of the stuff that we're currently running on at the moment. So we have repeal DRIPA, eliminate

01:15:24.740 SOGI, cut taxes across the board, 25%, deregulate, build pipelines, defund the reconciliation industry,

01:15:31.940 because it's not just enough to repeal DRIPA. The, the handouts to these organizations and the power

01:15:36.180 they need, they have needs to just be eliminated. We have celebrate BC's history, cancel woke programs,

01:15:43.300 stop enabling addiction. I like your speech where you talked about how we have to re-stigmatize

01:15:47.060 addiction, which is probably the exact right thing to say. Protect gun owners, oppose mass 1.00

01:15:52.420 immigration, which would provincially, it's a little bit tougher to do that. It's federal,

01:15:56.100 but what we can do is start cutting off provincial benefits to non-citizens, because that's the reason 1.00

01:16:01.300 you have such a high influx of people. It's so easy to get on benefits in British Columbia right now.

01:16:06.900 And then we have end the abuse of the MAID system, the medical assistance in dying. But that's not

01:16:12.980 exhaustive. We will have more policies that we will be rolling out, like eliminating your step code

01:16:18.660 for buildings in, in BC for houses, which is requiring you to have it be perfectly environmentally

01:16:24.340 friendly as you're building a house, which means that every house is having hundreds of thousands

01:16:28.580 of dollars added to its development cost. It's just out of control. And your comments

01:16:33.780 about the regulations earlier, I mean, it just makes my blood boil to think of how many regulations

01:16:38.260 are developed because with every regulation that's made, there's a bureaucracy that's around that

01:16:42.580 regulation to enforce it against its own citizens. And that's really not their job. We need to let

01:16:47.460 people manage their lives, set a nice baseline of, of things, make sure that things are working for

01:16:52.500 people so they can run their lives, not just controlling them and forcing them. And, you know,

01:16:57.620 I mean, a lawyer to run a hot dog stand at this point in order to not violate a law.

01:17:02.660 I know. It's, it's really, so I would really like to see, um, you know, that the regulations be

01:17:10.180 brought down, you bring in one, you have to get rid of three. Let's start there. How about that?

01:17:14.420 You bring in a new one, you have to eliminate three others.

01:17:17.140 That would, our, our general idea is like, yeah, in four years, maybe let's eliminate 25% of

01:17:22.180 regulations. And even that, that's a start. Like, that's just a realistic goal for like a four-year

01:17:27.620 term, but like even that would not bring BC close to how deregulated Alberta is. That would still

01:17:34.740 actually maybe even not have us below Ontario, which has 120,000 regulations, but that's just

01:17:41.060 demonstrating how bad it is. Only if you add Ontario and Alberta together, do you actually get to the BC

01:17:48.500 levels? Well, it's not funny. I'm laughing just because it's, it's so ridiculous. It's preposterous

01:17:55.140 that we have this many regulations, but this is what happens when you get like government creep,

01:17:59.620 just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And, uh, you know, eight years of the NDP

01:18:03.540 is enough to kill any economy, but here we are. And we just got to make sure that we

01:18:08.500 toss them out in the next election, which, uh, we never really talked about the whole vote

01:18:12.740 splitting thing. We should, I kind of went into that. My, my whole, my whole perspective on that is

01:18:17.460 that people can keep saying that that's what we're doing. The party's only growing because people

01:18:21.460 aren't doing what we're doing. We're at nine and a half percent in, in, uh, in the case of a new

01:18:26.100 poll, that one, if Caroline Elliott was the BC conservative leader, I'm not sure if she's the 0.83

01:18:30.420 front runner yet. People say that, but so right now with the front runner of the party, we're

01:18:34.820 effectively rounding up at 10% of the, of the polls that doesn't happen unless you're talking about

01:18:41.460 stuff nobody else is talking about. So I think that people have to realize there's not going to be an

01:18:45.940 election in 2026. There's very not there's it's unlikely we're even going to have an election in

01:18:50.180 2027. There's a lot of times for BC politics to sort itself out and for one BC to keep growing.

01:18:56.180 And right now we're already a third of what we need to win. Yeah. And we are growing and we will

01:19:00.660 continue to grow. And I really, really believe in one BC and what its mission is to really return

01:19:06.820 decision-making to people, the people of British Columbia. And, um, I think that that is resonating.

01:19:12.500 Well, I don't think, I know it is resonating with people and, uh, we are going to keep, we're an

01:19:19.060 important, we are doing an important job in British Columbia or I am, I was doing with Tara now, not so

01:19:24.820 much, but I still believe that we will be able to operate as a group. There are three independents now

01:19:30.900 and we, we are bringing important voices to that legislature and we need to be there. Um, and we are

01:19:39.780 leading, we are at the tip of the spear and we are leading on the really difficult issues

01:19:45.380 and we're taking the hits for doing it, but I'm doing this because I really love this province.

01:19:51.220 I love Vancouver. I love British Columbia. Uh, we owe it to the people who built this place

01:19:58.180 to, to preserve and, and build on what was been done. It is a shame to watch what's happening

01:20:04.740 and it's just really bad policy and it could be turned around so quickly. And I keep saying

01:20:09.140 with the abundant resources we have in this province, we should be the center, like the best

01:20:14.740 place to do business, you know, in the world. Like we, we could be everything. And, um, I am excited

01:20:22.260 to think that people are waking up to this reality and we can do this. And I'm, I'm an optimist at heart

01:20:27.620 and I'm going to keep fighting for that. What, one more thing on the vote split thing. Cause I

01:20:32.100 remembered this as the example I was going to use because I find, I find the attack so cynical

01:20:37.460 because aren't we currently in a reality where the BC conservative party exists and the BC liberal

01:20:43.940 slash United party took a dirt nap. The same people who are saying like, oh my goodness, this is vote

01:20:49.060 splitting. It's like, well, you know, you were, were you also calling out the conservatives when they

01:20:55.060 were rising and BC United was falling? Were you also, are you also going to like get mad at us?

01:21:00.740 Uh, if we start actually overtaking them, like, it's just a silly, uh, thing to say as well as

01:21:06.340 the thing I see a lot is that they're like, okay, Dallas Brody did a great job, but, but now it's time

01:21:12.260 to hand it all over to this person running for conservative leadership. You know, this person who's

01:21:16.980 been copying her talking points and watering them down. Yes. They've risked nothing. Yes. They've not

01:21:22.980 actually led on anything, but now it's time to hand it back over. You know, you guys have done

01:21:28.020 enough. Now you can give it over to us. Don't worry. Us people who rig our own AGMs and who

01:21:33.540 kick people out of our caucus and who water down our policy constantly, and who literally also

01:21:38.260 attempt to rig our own leadership reviews, give it over to us. We know what to do with it. No,

01:21:43.380 don't worry. Don't ask any questions. Miss Dallas has done, she's good job. Good work. Although we had

01:21:48.900 that interview with Juno news and Candace Malcolm did a very good interview with the interim leader

01:21:53.860 for the conservatives, Trevor Halford, where, where she asked him about you. Now I'm getting the,

01:21:58.980 now I'm continuing the interview longer between us two, but this is fun. Uh, but the Juno news

01:22:03.620 interview, Candace Malcolm asked Trevor Halford, well, what about Dallas Brody bringing up all these

01:22:08.660 issues? And it really, you know, she really exploded this as an issue into the public. And he kind of

01:22:13.940 gives this tepid, well, you know, you know, these are a good questions to be asking. And this, these

01:22:18.500 are serious issues we need to take seriously. And then he doesn't name you, but he's clearly

01:22:23.540 talked about you. It's like, but there's a way we can do this without being disrespectful. I'm like,

01:22:27.780 oh, really? Really, Trevor, did we hurt your feelings by bringing it up this way? Because we all

01:22:32.500 know Trevor Halford, five seconds away from bringing it all up himself. He was about to do it before Dallas

01:22:37.780 did it. Right. Well, they, they say I'm being disrespectful. How am I being disrespectful?

01:22:44.020 I have been, uh, nothing. I am respectful of the, the taxpayers of British Columbia.

01:22:48.660 I'm here saying we have to get a handle on this. And, and if I, you know, it's, it's someone had to

01:22:55.700 say it and do it and I'm doing it and I will keep doing it. And until they get a spine and start having

01:23:01.380 good policy over there, they're going to keep drowning in, into, um, into, uh, a place of being

01:23:08.820 irrelevant because we're just going to move past them. I keep saying they keep leading from behind.

01:23:15.140 I lead, they follow, steal, take my words and stuff, which is fine. It's, I guess,

01:23:20.260 what is their imitation is the greatest form of flattery. But I, but I also say to myself, well,

01:23:25.860 look, you guys need to really develop your policies and say what you're going to do,

01:23:29.700 but I don't have a lot of confidence in that because I've seen what goes on in that caucus

01:23:33.700 and it's still hopelessly divided internally. It, it, they, I often say it's not that they have

01:23:38.900 different breeds of dogs in there, like, which is what a normal party would be. They have cats and

01:23:42.740 dogs in there. So the, the twain shall never meet. And you know, this was posted right before we went

01:23:49.620 live. Uh, so it was like a few hours before we went live. So we have the indigenous affairs minister,

01:23:53.620 Spencer Chandra Herbert had posted this this morning where he said, as Peter Milobar and Caroline

01:23:58.900 Elliott enter the BC conservative leadership race, I'm calling on every candidate to be clear.

01:24:03.460 Residential school denialism has no place in British Columbia. And I think our response was

01:24:08.420 quite good to this. Uh, but like, I'll, maybe I'll bring that up, but I, I saw, uh, some of the

01:24:13.780 conservatives attempting to respond to Chandra Herbert and they did not take it head on saying,

01:24:18.660 no, you're wrong. It's not residential school denialism to say that there are no bodies at

01:24:23.220 Cambridge. It's not residential school denialism to have historical accuracy. They're like, well,

01:24:28.180 I don't like your policies, Chandra. I'm like, he just called you. He just implied you might be

01:24:32.660 a denialist and you're letting him get away with it. So I thought the, uh, the response that you gave

01:24:38.580 is the best one here. Uh, cause again, it was just a lot of flip-flopping from other people just

01:24:42.820 trying to talk about other stuff. I said over here, we said, Spencer, there are no bodies at the Kamloops

01:24:47.780 residential school. It is not denialism to point out activist falsehoods and stand for historical

01:24:52.900 accuracy. Elliot and Milibar may not be willing to confront this head on, but we are. And so,

01:24:58.020 yeah, that's how you deal with these people. You don't try and have a cute, clever response of saying,

01:25:03.380 oh, Spencer, you turn your comments off and I don't want to respond to you. I'm like,

01:25:07.300 he just tried to accuse you of something really disgusting. And the only way you come at these

01:25:11.620 people is going back at them hard and saying, no, you're a horrible person. No, you don't care

01:25:16.100 about historical accuracy. You don't dodge around it and try and talk about like DRIPA.

01:25:22.020 But this is the problem is that everyone's currently lacking a spine over there at the

01:25:25.780 BC conservative party. Still people on some of their campaigns are employing people who

01:25:30.660 were involved in smearing you or saying that you were denying molestation victims,

01:25:36.260 stories and all this stuff, which was a complete lie. And these are the people who are going to be

01:25:40.580 the new right warriors to take on the NDP, the ones who helped them smear you.

01:25:44.260 This is the other thing. It's shocking to see in politics, how many people will just engage in

01:25:49.460 outright lying, like total lying, fabricating stuff, just manufacturing stuff to take you down. It's

01:26:02.500 incredible. And people were willing back. There were people who again, consider themselves to put

01:26:08.340 the truth first, who in the, in the middle of you being smeared for, for like a completely out of

01:26:13.940 context statement on Francis Widowson's podcast, where you're basically just mocking postmodernism

01:26:19.300 and how people think that there's no such thing as the truth. There are people who consider themselves

01:26:23.220 big truth warriors out there who are willing to take a three and a half second out of context clip

01:26:28.820 in order to try and spear your reputation. But don't worry, guys, we're going to fight back

01:26:33.060 against the woke now those people are. But remember, it wasn't even that they took a clip out of it.

01:26:38.500 They took a whole statement, and they compressed it down into really short, they sped it up to make

01:26:45.860 it look it was it was video alteration. And you know, I haven't, I'm still considering my actions in

01:26:52.260 that regard. And I know who did it. And so I'm just like, I haven't forgotten about that little

01:26:59.220 event. And it sits there. Like it did happen. And it was used to it was manufactured again,

01:27:06.980 to make me look like something I'm not. And but you know, I do have to say that I'm not completely

01:27:12.340 naive politics is a really dirty business. I was warned about this before I came into it. I've actually

01:27:17.380 never been in a business that behaves like this before like this, this thing. But you know, I am

01:27:23.700 I consider that I mean, I don't need to make things up because the the calamity that is the NDP and the

01:27:29.780 Conservative Party, there's so much material, you don't need to make anything up. Like I don't need

01:27:34.100 to manufacture anything. It's a it's just an open mess. And you just can point at anything and say,

01:27:40.500 look, what's going on there. I mean, it's it's just a never ending gift that keeps giving if you want

01:27:45.460 to point out the problems going on over there. But with me, they have to manufacture it.

01:27:49.140 There's no dirt on me. There's no dirt. I don't have any dirt. I have a normal life. You follow

01:27:54.500 me around all day. If you want, you can watch what I do. You can watch who I meet with you can

01:27:58.980 hear and what I say online right here with you is what I also say in private. So I don't say one

01:28:03.620 thing on private phone calls and another thing in front of people. What you see is what you get. And

01:28:08.580 that's much easier way to live, Wyatt, because then you don't need to remember what lie you told

01:28:12.900 to this person or that person and get all caught up in the in the lies.

01:28:18.420 Well, I definitely agree with that. Well, thank you. Thank you, Dallas, for coming on to the show

01:28:22.500 today. I'd recommend everyone again to go check out the making killing documentary. I'll pin at

01:28:26.500 the top of the comments below or check out the one BC party website, join the party, donate,

01:28:32.100 do all those things. If you're feeling inspired, you know, join up volunteer. But yeah, we should do

01:28:37.620 this again at some point, Dallas, make this maybe a monthly sort of show because honestly,

01:28:42.020 BC politics is some of the most insane politics in the country. Like, yeah, other, 1.00

01:28:47.380 there's frustrating, dumb things that happen in other provinces, but not at the speed and frequency

01:28:52.900 of BC. Well, that's true. I mean, I've learned that one day it can be this, the next day it's that. So

01:28:59.700 I just go day by day. And it's been a pleasure to come on with you, Wyatt. Thank you very much.

01:29:04.100 Absolutely. And thanks for everyone for watching, you know, like, share, subscribe to all that fantastic

01:29:08.740 stuff, share with your friends, and we will be back doing something like this again, hopefully in the

01:29:14.100 future. See you all later.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - January 16, 2026

How ＂Reconciliation＂ Ruined BC Politics (ft. Dallas Brodie - OneBC leader)

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