Is Jagmeet Singh destroying the NDP to let Carney win! (ft. Julien Newman)
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Julian Newman joins the show to give us an update on what's going on with the NDP, and why he thinks Jagmeet Singh almost wants Mark Carney to become Prime Minister, and to win a majority government and make the NDP utterly irrelevant.
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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Wyatt Claypool Show.
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As we have the election slated to begin tomorrow, I want to make sure that we're bringing on voices
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that represent different aspects of Canadian politics that I don't usually cover.
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We've had this guest on before. Julian Newman is here to give us an update on what's going on with the NDP,
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because from my perspective, it looks like Jagmeet Singh almost wants Mark Carney to become the Prime Minister
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and not just become Prime Minister, but also win a majority government and make the NDP utterly irrelevant.
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Thank you for coming back on, Julian. What's going on on your end of politics in the NDP?
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You know, Wyatt, when you had me on last, it was because me and a group of senior new Democrats
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with the support of thousands of NDP members had gone to see Jagmeet and said,
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yo, you have to stop supporting the government. You have to trigger an election now.
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And specifically, what we warned about at the time was Donald Trump is actually going to do the sanctions
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or the tariffs, and then Canada is going to be screwed, and the NDP is going to be screwed.
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What they didn't do was listen to us. What they did do, as you know, Wyatt, is they threatened
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to sue me personally for doing that. Exactly what we had said would happen is what happened.
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Canada is screwed. Canada has no government. It's just a disaster. And the NDP is in total freefall.
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Now, this is completely predictable. And it's not just predictable. It was predicted.
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We went to see these guys. We told them one-to-one. They told us to go away.
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We did a media tour. They threatened to sue us. And now, you know, what's going on?
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I mean, what's going on is what was always going to go on, which is they're screwed.
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At least my evaluation of Jagmeet Singh has always just been that he's just kind of bad
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at politics. Because I feel like, and what you're saying is not, can you set aside your
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own best interest, Jagmeet, and help out the party? You guys are basically saying, can you
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preserve yourself and the party by being the ones who actually call the election? Be the
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guy who is the one stirring it up in Ottawa, be the guy who is the main character of the
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election, at least for the first few days, because, hey, look, the NDP did something.
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And now we're in a situation where Jagmeet Singh was out there begging Mark Carney, our technical
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prime minister, to try and bring back the House of Commons into session so that they can make
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a deal when it was never offered. And it was like, are they do they even have anything
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to run on right now? Like, are they even prepared to actually run a campaign?
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It's totally pathetic. As you say, like, the only party left in all of Canada, who still
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who doesn't want an election still is the NDP, or the only person is Jagmeet, right? And
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it's like, even the Liberals on election, everyone wants to go in election, except for Jagmeet.
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It's really pathetic, like, and they're totally irrelevant. Like, no one's talked about them
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since January. Like, like, literally, the only time these guys, the last time these guys got
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any press was me. No one's talked about them or cared about them since. It's completely pathetic.
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I feel like I'm doing a public service every time I check in on them, just to make sure that
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they still exist. And every time I see Jagmeet Singh doing some sort of post on social media,
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they had one good ad that came out recently. But for the most part, it's all what they've
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been repeating for literally two years now. Pollyup is a bootlicker for billionaires. Actually,
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Mark Carty's also that. And it's like, okay, but what's the through line where you're going
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to do anything for anybody rather than just, like, you know, point fingers at people, especially
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because this would have all worked better if Jagmeet Singh had not waited around for his
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pension. I don't know if he really wanted the pension that bad or just happened to line
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up with his more cowardly approach to politics where he didn't want to jump into an election
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right away. So he naturally got it. But he set himself up into a rhetorical trap where he
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always looks like the real man who actually cares about the money where everyone else is just,
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you know, pushing for, like, better things for the country through whatever vision that they have.
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But I don't feel like there's vision anymore with Jagmeet. And how could there be? It's his third
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election. At some point, you kind of wear out. Yeah, in every election, they do worse and worse.
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You know, it's like official opposition, you know, crappy results, crappier results. Now they might lose
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official party status. You know, they haven't lost official party status since those strings of,
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like, loser leaders in the 80s. And it's like, what are you doing? It's totally crazy. And it's
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totally predictable, right? It's totally predictable. And it's totally 100% one person's fault. It's just
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Yeah. And before I get into a kind of what their election strategy is going into this next federal
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election, if there is any, I just want to cut over to this because I actually subscribe to the NDP
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email list, just because I want to see what are they saying to their own people. And so you probably
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got this email too. I got it from Jesse Calvert, one of their comms people. It says, Wyatt, I won't
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sugarcoat it. I'm worried. Oh, are you worried? The election could be called any day now. Conservatives
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are gearing up with deep pocketed donors and well-funded attack ads. If we're not ready to
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hit the ground running in the moment, the rip drops will risk losing critical ground. And it's
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like, they might as well just say, we're saving the furniture. Please give us money so we can save
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the furniture at least. And is this their strategy? Like, they're just trying to hold on to whatever
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they have? Well, my question based on my email, like, why are you talking to me about the
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conservatives? Like, are they the government? Like, what is this? Like, I can tell you what
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it is, right? What it is, is they think that they can convince voters in a handful of seats
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that they still have to vote strategically to keep the conservatives out because they have
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these seats. Like most of the NDP MPs by now, members of parliament, they're elected in places
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where the number where it's kind of like NDP versus conservative. And their entire strategy
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is to go see liberal voters in those districts and say, vote for us. Because to keep Polietta,
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that is a strategy. Everything they do, it's about keeping their jobs, the members of parliament
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already there, including Jagmeet are trying to keep their own jobs, by encouraging people
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to vote strategically in the handful of 20 districts. That is their strategy. And that's
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everything that they do. Like, and the stupidity of this, it's an argument that you know, I mean,
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it proves too much that if you if you if only in 20 districts, you're able to prevent the conservative
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from winning, why not just fold up the party, and then just let a liberal candidate slot in there
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because they'll end up sucking up all your vote anyways. It's like a self serving, we're being
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strategic kind of an argument when they really just mean we're bankrupt, and we can't actually
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compete in other ridings as well. Because do you think that the NDP actually wants the liberals to
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win a majority? No, they love these minority situations. And if anything, they should be in
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theory, maybe it's riskier that the conservatives win. Also would be actually good for the NDP to be in
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opposition for a bit, like a real opposition. But if you want to be in a minority with the liberals,
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you got to go after the liberals, you can't just let them win everything, and then sit there and
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just hope that they'll maybe miss it by one seat. And then we'll have like our five seats left. And
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then they'll have to talk to us again. Like, the problem is, then who's going to be the NDP leader at
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that point? Who will want to inherit that vehicle? And this is actually the criticism I've had to make
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to go back a little bit of the PPC, that the PPC exists in opposition to the conservatives,
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and the NDP also exists in opposition to the conservatives. So, but you as like somebody who
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actually does campaign work, how has that been when, you know, going around for the NDP brand right now?
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Yeah, I go, I live in a district called Hall Elmer, which is in Quebec, but just across the river from
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Ottawa. So it's pretty much just Ottawa, but in Quebec, everyone's a bureaucrat. This region is
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mostly, you know, liberal, right? It's a very establishment liberal. In 2011, the whole region
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is swept by the NDP. And we kept a bunch of the seats after 2011. So in the 2015 election, we kept a
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lot of them. So it's actually a pretty good region for the NDP when we have something to say.
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Anyways, I go door to door every couple days for the local campaign. And like, voters that they tell
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you is, well, I'm going to vote liberal this election to keep the conservatives out. Yo, the screenshot
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just showed me. That is the message, right? The reason people tell me at the door, I'm not going
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to vote for you, is because they are parroting to me, precisely what the NDP is saying to them.
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It's completely self-defeating and only makes sense in the head of some losers sitting in Ottawa.
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And by the way, it doesn't work. Did they see what happened in the provincial election in Ontario?
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It doesn't matter that the NDP and the liberals started technically telling people to strategically
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vote. People vote for parties they like. And you're not going to, and this is like, you know,
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maybe it's good for me as a conservative that it doesn't work. But there's no idea that because
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maybe we try a little less hard in this riding, that we're going to then push the liberals over the
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finish line or that by telling people that we're actually the real party you should be voting for
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in this riding of on the conservatives to win. Nobody reacts to that. It's actually the dumbest
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sort of conventional wisdom I see in politics all the time. The idea that everyone's just going to
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gather together and they're going to stop this big force. It's like, no, that works in proportional
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representation systems because people have like five or six options to vote for to prevent one bad
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option from getting in if they think that's the bad option. Whereas in Canada, it's first past the
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post. The amount of conversations that you have to have in a riding to convince people that they
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should stop voting the way they normally vote and vote for a party they've maybe never voted for before
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to prevent a potential outcome is ridiculous. But this is the actual thinking that Jagmeet Singh has led
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the party into. They just they don't know what they're doing. The strategy that works for the NDP
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is to present themselves as the anti-establishment party and as and to present the two other parties
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as the pro-establishment party. Right? Because that's how many Canadians think of the NDP. So if you say,
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hey, I'm Jack Layton. I am running to be Prime Minister. I am running against the two establishment
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parties, the Conservatives and the Liberals. Vote for me because I'm better than those, that uniparty
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essentially. Right? And you have to do two things to make that work. One, you have to be better than
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the establishment. So you have to be like, look, these guys, I know they're just like the normal way
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of doing things, the normal safe, go with something unsafe, because we're so much better. The other
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thing that needs to be true is that people need to not like the establishment. I think today people are kind
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of much more anti-establishment than when Jack Layton was running. So that's actually a much easier, you know,
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message to say and to convince people of. But, you know, the other part of that, which is you need to
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be a person of quality, is just completely missing. Like, why would you vote against the establishment
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for this, you know, this fool? No one's going to do that. Well, I always find that Jagmeet Singh comes off
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as sensitive and preening. And one of the big things, I would say maybe the third aspect to the NDP,
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a more specific thing, is that you have to make workers like you, people who actually do, like,
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dirty jobs, people who actually get their hands dirty, where it feels like Jagmeet actively looks
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uncomfortable around people who work for private sector unions, who work in, like, the auto sector,
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who are construction workers, who are, you know, in the oil. Why isn't he going and meeting with oil and
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gas workers? It's like, oh, because he doesn't believe in oil and gas. Like, well, then wrap up the party.
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You don't believe in, like, legitimately 15% of the economy. So you should basically just
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pack it all in at that point, because you'll never win an election if for some reason you
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cannot bridge the gap with certain industries. And so I think that's one of the big things.
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It's become the, basically the party, at least in my opinion, for 18-year-old girls who are taking
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anthropology. Yeah, and, like, the LGBT club at the University of Toronto. Like, that's their
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constituency, or at least that's, that's Jagmeet's constituency. And, you know,
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White-collar public sector workers, which is funny, because you're almost describing elite workers,
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people who work at club fed in the federal government with very easy jobs that they don't
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try too hard at. And that's the people that Jagmeet likes, the HR workers.
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One of the things that's interesting when you get into the psychology of this stuff is,
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so the messaging that works for the NDP is an anti-establishment messaging.
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But when you are in parliament, it's really hard to see yourself as anti-establishment,
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because you actually are part of the establishment. I mean, I used to work there. And I didn't think
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of myself as anti-establishment, really. Like, I wasn't. I mean, I knew all, like, I knew the
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prime minister. I knew, like, I'd go to, you know, I'd go to, like, lodges at the senators,
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like the hockey senators game paid for by lobbyists. And, you know, you'd go, like, free trips
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everywhere. Like, are you really anti-establishment? I mean, no, you're not, right? And so there's this,
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like, disconnect between your actual life as a Ottawa insider and how voters would want to see
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you to have to vote for you when you're the NDP. So it's, like, very strange. Like, it's all these
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people that get sucked into this, like, pro-establishment mindset. And then they believe
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it. And then they tell voters, vote for us because of this. And, like, voters, like, well,
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if that, then I'm going to vote for the liberals, dude.
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One of my favorite things is now outgoing NDP MP Charlie Angus, always pretending that he is still
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this punk rock guy. It's like, dude, yes, how very rock and roll of you, of Charlie Angus. Like,
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if he ran a punk band, it would be called rage more or less in perfect tandem with the machine.
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That guy has never said anything that wouldn't have been said on the CBC or global news. And
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that's what's so funny about it is that he acts like he's some guy who came from the streets. It's
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like, no, but you sound like all the same people that, like, go and they have, like, that are country
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clubs and whatnot. And that's the problem. Or you get MPs like Leah Gazzan putting forward just
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ridiculous legislation. Same as Charlie Angus. We're going to criminalize residential school
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denialism with jail time. Like, oh, good, good job. And then Charlie Angus wants it to be there
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to be jail time if you promote oil and gas. It's like, maybe this is why people don't vote for you.
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It's because you care more about yourself and looking progressive than you do actually trying
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to help people progress. Because the funny thing is that I would say every party inherently wants the
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same things. It's not like one party is like, I actually just want billionaires to make more money.
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Who cares? Everyone wants everyone to be better off. And the thing is that the NDP, some of the MPs
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end up destroying their own brand, forgetting that actually maybe, like that maybe you're not the
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only person who has solutions because they tend to shoot down everything other people have. And it
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becomes a much, much smaller circle of beliefs that they hold. Where back in 2011, you probably got a lot
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of guys who are entrepreneurs who would run for the NDP, plumbers, you know, electricians who might
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try and run for the party. Now you can't, now there's a specific type of person in your mind when
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you think of an NDP candidate, you know, probably wearing like a keffia and like is a downtown person
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who works at like a bookstore or whatever. Or, you know, a PhD, someone who has a PhD in
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woman's studies from the University of Toronto and has never held a job, right? Like that actually is
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who all their candidates are. Like, it's really people who've never had jobs and who have like,
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are like 40 years old and have a PhD. Like, literally, that is all their candidates.
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Because historically, you could say that the NDP was not even really the more left party of the
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liberals. It was like you were saying, it's the anti-establishment party, that it might have even
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more blue collar energy to it. It might even be people who actually don't like too many regulations
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because it interferes with their business. Correct.
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But they're in favor of stronger social programs. They want to fund all that stuff more. And that's
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a different topic. It's more marketable, because people from any walk of life can vote for you.
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But now Jagmeet Singh is having, is basically, he chooses the voters himself. You have to apply to
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be an NDP voter, and he'll decide if he wants you or not. And then, at the same time, you also have
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to, for some reason, like, deeply care about the balance of parliament to vote for the NDP now with
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their stupid strategic voting plan. The core message of the CCF, which is the party that became
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the NDP, was really simple. Okay, what it was, was, hey, we should stop spending a ton of money on
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foreign wars. And we should take that money, and we should give it to ourselves. Right? It's like,
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the liberals and the conservatives, they want to take all your money and fund foreign wars. This is
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in a period where Canada had a big military and spent a lot on that type of stuff. And instead of doing
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that, give me that money. Right? That was the message. The current, like, Charlie Angus is a
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great example. I think there's a, I think you posted this. I don't know. There's this video
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that's going around online of Charlie Angus, like, yelling at people and swearing at them,
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because he was, like, warmongering and trying to get Canada to go and, like, fight in, you know,
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Ukraine or something. And it's like, what the hell? Like, like, the core NDP message right now,
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okay, this is what it should be. It should be like, why did Trudeau give $10 billion to Ukraine?
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And why don't we take that money back and just write a check to everybody? Right? That is the
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NDP message. And it's like, their message is the opposite. Their message is like, no,
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why are we only giving $10 billion to Ukraine? Why don't we shut down all of the healthcare spending
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and take all that money and give it to Ukraine? Or here's the thing, too. They're the workers
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party who is in favor of more immigration at all times. And it's like, isn't the whole point,
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this is even what happened to Bernie Sanders over time in the United States, that Bernie Sanders
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started off with the guy who was actually kind of a hawk on immigration. He actually is a little bit
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more in favor of individual rights when it comes to certain things around firearms and whatnot.
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But he wants Medicare for all, but he wants this or that. And it's like, yeah, you can argue with
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those are good things or not. But it makes coherent sense, where Jagmeet wants to still pretend he's
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the fist in the air workers guy. At the same time, he loves the TFW program, and loves all these
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subsidized workers that then undermine people trying to get their foot into the job market.
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Yeah, I mean, Jagmeet is just a guy who wishes he was a WEF young, whatever they call them,
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young leaders, or whatever they are. Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing. This is another
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totally different thing about Jagmeet. The funny thing is, I actually think he would do so much
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better if he just embraced the fact that he's a champagne socialist. He should just be like,
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oh, of course I'm endlessly fashionable. You should vote for me because I want to make the country rich
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like I am. Except he's nervous of it. He's insecure at all times. And my thing is, you've told me
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in our last interview, he actually was motivated about getting his pension, which was so pathetic
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to me because he's already independently wealthy. But on top of that, my thing as well is that I feel
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like he also just wants to stay in Parliament as long as he can be possible because he knows this
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is his last election. And so he wants to be a character on this television show as long as
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possible. And he keeps going to the soap opera writers and says, can you give me one more episode?
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I just, it's going to end, but please let me have a long, let me, let me go out in a two-parter,
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please. It's totally pathetic. And one of the things we were talking about earlier is,
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you know, the knives are out for Jagmeet. Like the, there are people, and I can give you,
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you know, actual names that people are organizing. One is Abby Lewis, who are actively right now
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organizing to, you know, get rid of Jagmeet after the election and become the leader.
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So like these people, what they're doing, instead of helping the NDP win, which is presumably what
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you think they would do, is they're just like, oh yeah, the NDP is going to get crushed. These
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are people who actually agree with Jagmeet, right? It's not like, it's not like me who's like,
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hey, these guys are losers. Like they need to change. Abby Lewis, he loves Jagmeet. He's like,
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yeah, Jagmeet's great. Like we need more Jagmeet, but we need me to be more Jagmeet, right?
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And these people who love Jagmeet's policies and agree with him, they're out to backstab him
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and organizing now to be able to get rid of him after the election, you know, for their own,
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you know, ego and their own, you know, self-interest. But that's what's going on in the party.
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Like the whole party is just collapsing due to just being not good.
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Well, we've been seeing polls where they're like eight or 9%. Now I personally don't think
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they're going to end up that low. I think it's what I call a response bias that can happen
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to boost up polling or boost down polling. I don't think the liberals are quite at 40%
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like we're seeing. I think they're probably still in the mid thirties. I would actually assume
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conservatives are leading, but the liberals are currently in a honeymoon. But on the other side,
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the fact the NDP are so low just demonstrates that the average NDP voter is depressed. I think
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this was a stat that was available last time we spoke. It was like those certain to vote NDP,
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the people definitely going to show up and vote. Even 53% of those guys don't like Jagmeet Singh.
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They think he is the wrong leader. And it's because, yes, you'll have people who are like,
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oh, I love Jagmeet. And then they want to get rid of him. But there's a lot of people who are just
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already preemptively queasy and not willing to put up with this. They'll still show up and vote,
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but they feel like their actual time is being wasted. And so like, what do you think even think
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a Jagmeet Singh debate performance is going to look like? Actually, I want to bring this up on
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screen before I get to that. They can't even afford to actually fly around the country.
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So Jagmeet Singh is now only taking a bus. He's going to bus across the country because he cannot
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afford an actual camp. Not that the NDP could ever afford a campaign jet the way that the liberals,
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liberals, the way that the liberals and the conservatives do. But you can tell how little
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money they have on hand. So I guess last two questions before we wrap this up. What's the
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financials looking like for the NDP right now? And what do you think Jagmeet's personal strategy
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You know what? Here's the thing people don't realize about the NDP and their finances.
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So the way that the conservative party works is, so let's say there's a local conservative party
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where I live in Hallelmer. So the Hallelmer conservative campaign, they're going to raise
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let's say $20,000 because they can't win here and they'll spend $20,000 and then they'll get an
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Elections Canada rebate, right? So Elections Canada will give them back a percentage of that money
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and they will keep that money. The local campaign will keep that money.
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Okay. The NDP campaign will do the same thing, but the federal NDP will steal their money.
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Okay. And what they're doing, the way that they have money to run their campaign,
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okay, is they go see a bank and they tell them, we are going to steal the money
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from our local writings after Elections Canada reverses them. And that's how we're going to pay
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back this loan. Yeah. What the hell? That's like anti-grassroots. That's like your members are
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serfs. Yeah. So it's like, not only are they going to, like, it's totally crazy, right? They're going
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to see like a big bank and they're telling them, we are going to rob our grassroots members to pay
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back alone. Okay. It's just like the least grassroots kind of, you know, approach, but
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not only that, they still can't afford to run their own campaign despite being essentially thieves,
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right? It's completely crazy. It's completely crazy. And it's like, how are you, like,
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why does anyone put up with this? I mean, you know, people in the party, like they're former
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members of parliament. Okay. The NDP used to have this rule where any former member of parliament
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could show up at a caucus meeting and participate, right? So they have their meetings of all the
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caucus, all the members of parliament on Wednesdays when the house, the parliament is sitting and any,
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any former member of parliament, if they're in town and wanted to, could show up. They change those
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rules. Okay. Why do they change those rules? They change those rules because former members of
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parliament would show up and yell at them because they suck so much.
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Well, they didn't want Tom Mulcair showing up and saying, I told you so.
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I mean, I won't, I won't give you specific names, but there are specific people who would show up
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and yell at them over, um, over their policy. And they had to change the rule
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so that people, these four, like prominent former members of parliament would stop coming.
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It's so stupid because you're in politics and you're like, please leave us alone. We're having
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our meeting and we don't want to hear this. We just want, and it's like, that's the problem. It's
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being run. And I know parties like this, by the way, this is what the BC conservatives are like right
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now. It's a party being run by children who don't want to hear that they made a mistake. Don't just
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leave. Just like they'll kick people out or like, you know, it's ridiculous. Whenever parties start to
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become sensitive to criticism, they're, they're dead in the water. But, uh, I guess last,
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the last question is what do you think Jagmeet is going to do out of the debate?
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He's just going to be a lightweight and suck, and he's going to attack Priya Polyev
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and, uh, it'll just continue their current strategy.
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Honestly, that could be great for Priya Polyev as a conservative. And I'd love Jagmeet to try and
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take swing, like take haymakers at Polyev because the whole debate should be about Polyev. And if
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anything, that helps him. And then dude, who, who, who could he more easily dunk on on stage
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than Jagmeet saying that he's going to go after him and he's going to call him like a socialist
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loser. And then he's going to gain like three points in the polls just from the hilarity alone.
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But, you know, I guess something we can all look forward to. I, maybe you, you should come back on
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to do a debate recap. Yeah. Or do a debate live stream. Oh yeah. I should, I do. I totally do that.
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Maybe I'll try and bring someone up from all the parties. Uh, but, uh, but no, thanks for coming on,
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uh, Julian. Uh, so he's been doing a lot of stuff online. So guys, whenever you see a Julian pop up
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on another show, you should definitely go check it out. Cause these have all been fun updates from,
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uh, NDP world and what's going on behind the scenes. Yes. Most NDP people do not like Jagmeet
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sing just as much as anyone else doesn't. But, uh, thanks for coming on, Julian. And thanks
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