The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Is Jagmeet Singh destroying the NDP to let Carney win! (ft. Julien Newman)

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Wyatt Claypool Show.

00:00:04.480 As we have the election slated to begin tomorrow, I want to make sure that we're bringing on voices

00:00:10.140 that represent different aspects of Canadian politics that I don't usually cover.

00:00:15.380 We've had this guest on before. Julian Newman is here to give us an update on what's going on with the NDP,

00:00:22.660 because from my perspective, it looks like Jagmeet Singh almost wants Mark Carney to become the Prime Minister

00:00:29.060 and not just become Prime Minister, but also win a majority government and make the NDP utterly irrelevant.

00:00:36.760 Thank you for coming back on, Julian. What's going on on your end of politics in the NDP?

00:00:42.620 You know, Wyatt, when you had me on last, it was because me and a group of senior new Democrats

00:00:50.480 with the support of thousands of NDP members had gone to see Jagmeet and said,

00:00:57.120 yo, you have to stop supporting the government. You have to trigger an election now.

00:01:04.720 And specifically, what we warned about at the time was Donald Trump is actually going to do the sanctions 0.77

00:01:13.000 or the tariffs, and then Canada is going to be screwed, and the NDP is going to be screwed.

00:01:19.820 What they didn't do was listen to us. What they did do, as you know, Wyatt, is they threatened 0.86

00:01:27.680 to sue me personally for doing that. Exactly what we had said would happen is what happened.

00:01:37.700 Canada is screwed. Canada has no government. It's just a disaster. And the NDP is in total freefall. 0.99

00:01:45.480 Now, this is completely predictable. And it's not just predictable. It was predicted.

00:01:51.660 We went to see these guys. We told them one-to-one. They told us to go away.

00:01:56.940 We did a media tour. They threatened to sue us. And now, you know, what's going on?

00:02:03.440 I mean, what's going on is what was always going to go on, which is they're screwed. 0.78

00:02:07.920 At least my evaluation of Jagmeet Singh has always just been that he's just kind of bad 0.92

00:02:15.600 at politics. Because I feel like, and what you're saying is not, can you set aside your

00:02:22.060 own best interest, Jagmeet, and help out the party? You guys are basically saying, can you

00:02:26.700 preserve yourself and the party by being the ones who actually call the election? Be the

00:02:34.100 guy who is the one stirring it up in Ottawa, be the guy who is the main character of the

00:02:39.660 election, at least for the first few days, because, hey, look, the NDP did something.

00:02:44.380 And now we're in a situation where Jagmeet Singh was out there begging Mark Carney, our technical

00:02:50.960 prime minister, to try and bring back the House of Commons into session so that they can make

00:02:57.080 a deal when it was never offered. And it was like, are they do they even have anything

00:03:03.760 to run on right now? Like, are they even prepared to actually run a campaign?

00:03:08.280 It's totally pathetic. As you say, like, the only party left in all of Canada, who still 0.97

00:03:15.220 who doesn't want an election still is the NDP, or the only person is Jagmeet, right? And

00:03:21.520 it's like, even the Liberals on election, everyone wants to go in election, except for Jagmeet. 0.97

00:03:27.580 It's really pathetic, like, and they're totally irrelevant. Like, no one's talked about them 0.93

00:03:33.080 since January. Like, like, literally, the only time these guys, the last time these guys got

00:03:38.960 any press was me. No one's talked about them or cared about them since. It's completely pathetic.

00:03:46.340 I feel like I'm doing a public service every time I check in on them, just to make sure that 0.98

00:03:50.120 they still exist. And every time I see Jagmeet Singh doing some sort of post on social media,

00:03:56.280 they had one good ad that came out recently. But for the most part, it's all what they've

00:04:01.820 been repeating for literally two years now. Pollyup is a bootlicker for billionaires. Actually,

00:04:08.420 Mark Carty's also that. And it's like, okay, but what's the through line where you're going

00:04:12.620 to do anything for anybody rather than just, like, you know, point fingers at people, especially

00:04:18.820 because this would have all worked better if Jagmeet Singh had not waited around for his

00:04:24.080 pension. I don't know if he really wanted the pension that bad or just happened to line

00:04:28.660 up with his more cowardly approach to politics where he didn't want to jump into an election

00:04:32.540 right away. So he naturally got it. But he set himself up into a rhetorical trap where he

00:04:38.020 always looks like the real man who actually cares about the money where everyone else is just,

00:04:42.900 you know, pushing for, like, better things for the country through whatever vision that they have.

00:04:47.940 But I don't feel like there's vision anymore with Jagmeet. And how could there be? It's his third

00:04:53.240 election. At some point, you kind of wear out. Yeah, in every election, they do worse and worse.

00:04:58.740 You know, it's like official opposition, you know, crappy results, crappier results. Now they might lose

00:05:05.300 official party status. You know, they haven't lost official party status since those strings of,

00:05:10.540 like, loser leaders in the 80s. And it's like, what are you doing? It's totally crazy. And it's

00:05:19.960 totally predictable, right? It's totally predictable. And it's totally 100% one person's fault. It's just

00:05:27.520 Jagmeet personally.

00:05:28.500 Yeah. And before I get into a kind of what their election strategy is going into this next federal

00:05:35.220 election, if there is any, I just want to cut over to this because I actually subscribe to the NDP

00:05:41.100 email list, just because I want to see what are they saying to their own people. And so you probably

00:05:46.780 got this email too. I got it from Jesse Calvert, one of their comms people. It says, Wyatt, I won't

00:05:52.080 sugarcoat it. I'm worried. Oh, are you worried? The election could be called any day now. Conservatives

00:05:57.660 are gearing up with deep pocketed donors and well-funded attack ads. If we're not ready to

00:06:02.360 hit the ground running in the moment, the rip drops will risk losing critical ground. And it's

00:06:07.120 like, they might as well just say, we're saving the furniture. Please give us money so we can save

00:06:12.800 the furniture at least. And is this their strategy? Like, they're just trying to hold on to whatever

00:06:18.080 they have? Well, my question based on my email, like, why are you talking to me about the

00:06:24.000 conservatives? Like, are they the government? Like, what is this? Like, I can tell you what

00:06:30.280 it is, right? What it is, is they think that they can convince voters in a handful of seats

00:06:38.140 that they still have to vote strategically to keep the conservatives out because they have

00:06:43.480 these seats. Like most of the NDP MPs by now, members of parliament, they're elected in places

00:06:49.920 where the number where it's kind of like NDP versus conservative. And their entire strategy

00:06:56.680 is to go see liberal voters in those districts and say, vote for us. Because to keep Polietta, 0.99

00:07:06.620 that is a strategy. Everything they do, it's about keeping their jobs, the members of parliament

00:07:12.680 already there, including Jagmeet are trying to keep their own jobs, by encouraging people

00:07:18.200 to vote strategically in the handful of 20 districts. That is their strategy. And that's

00:07:24.620 everything that they do. Like, and the stupidity of this, it's an argument that you know, I mean, 1.00

00:07:31.720 it proves too much that if you if you if only in 20 districts, you're able to prevent the conservative 0.99

00:07:39.100 from winning, why not just fold up the party, and then just let a liberal candidate slot in there

00:07:45.480 because they'll end up sucking up all your vote anyways. It's like a self serving, we're being

00:07:50.620 strategic kind of an argument when they really just mean we're bankrupt, and we can't actually

00:07:55.800 compete in other ridings as well. Because do you think that the NDP actually wants the liberals to

00:08:00.920 win a majority? No, they love these minority situations. And if anything, they should be in 1.00

00:08:06.940 theory, maybe it's riskier that the conservatives win. Also would be actually good for the NDP to be in

00:08:12.300 opposition for a bit, like a real opposition. But if you want to be in a minority with the liberals,

00:08:16.940 you got to go after the liberals, you can't just let them win everything, and then sit there and

00:08:21.740 just hope that they'll maybe miss it by one seat. And then we'll have like our five seats left. And

00:08:27.540 then they'll have to talk to us again. Like, the problem is, then who's going to be the NDP leader at

00:08:32.320 that point? Who will want to inherit that vehicle? And this is actually the criticism I've had to make

00:08:37.780 to go back a little bit of the PPC, that the PPC exists in opposition to the conservatives,

00:08:44.800 and the NDP also exists in opposition to the conservatives. So, but you as like somebody who

00:08:51.680 actually does campaign work, how has that been when, you know, going around for the NDP brand right now?

00:08:57.420 Yeah, I go, I live in a district called Hall Elmer, which is in Quebec, but just across the river from

00:09:05.240 Ottawa. So it's pretty much just Ottawa, but in Quebec, everyone's a bureaucrat. This region is

00:09:12.100 mostly, you know, liberal, right? It's a very establishment liberal. In 2011, the whole region

00:09:21.240 is swept by the NDP. And we kept a bunch of the seats after 2011. So in the 2015 election, we kept a

00:09:31.240 lot of them. So it's actually a pretty good region for the NDP when we have something to say.

00:09:36.860 Anyways, I go door to door every couple days for the local campaign. And like, voters that they tell

00:09:44.480 you is, well, I'm going to vote liberal this election to keep the conservatives out. Yo, the screenshot

00:09:53.880 just showed me. That is the message, right? The reason people tell me at the door, I'm not going

00:10:01.160 to vote for you, is because they are parroting to me, precisely what the NDP is saying to them. 0.98

00:10:10.580 It's completely self-defeating and only makes sense in the head of some losers sitting in Ottawa. 0.96

00:10:17.340 And by the way, it doesn't work. Did they see what happened in the provincial election in Ontario? 0.96

00:10:25.340 It doesn't matter that the NDP and the liberals started technically telling people to strategically

00:10:29.820 vote. People vote for parties they like. And you're not going to, and this is like, you know,

00:10:36.040 maybe it's good for me as a conservative that it doesn't work. But there's no idea that because

00:10:40.620 maybe we try a little less hard in this riding, that we're going to then push the liberals over the

00:10:45.560 finish line or that by telling people that we're actually the real party you should be voting for

00:10:51.340 in this riding of on the conservatives to win. Nobody reacts to that. It's actually the dumbest

00:10:56.560 sort of conventional wisdom I see in politics all the time. The idea that everyone's just going to 0.98

00:11:02.120 gather together and they're going to stop this big force. It's like, no, that works in proportional

00:11:07.460 representation systems because people have like five or six options to vote for to prevent one bad

00:11:14.000 option from getting in if they think that's the bad option. Whereas in Canada, it's first past the

00:11:19.240 post. The amount of conversations that you have to have in a riding to convince people that they

00:11:24.600 should stop voting the way they normally vote and vote for a party they've maybe never voted for before 0.53

00:11:29.240 to prevent a potential outcome is ridiculous. But this is the actual thinking that Jagmeet Singh has led

00:11:37.480 the party into. They just they don't know what they're doing. The strategy that works for the NDP

00:11:44.440 is to present themselves as the anti-establishment party and as and to present the two other parties

00:11:53.140 as the pro-establishment party. Right? Because that's how many Canadians think of the NDP. So if you say,

00:12:00.360 hey, I'm Jack Layton. I am running to be Prime Minister. I am running against the two establishment

00:12:10.480 parties, the Conservatives and the Liberals. Vote for me because I'm better than those, that uniparty 1.00

00:12:18.600 essentially. Right? And you have to do two things to make that work. One, you have to be better than

00:12:25.260 the establishment. So you have to be like, look, these guys, I know they're just like the normal way

00:12:31.740 of doing things, the normal safe, go with something unsafe, because we're so much better. The other

00:12:38.140 thing that needs to be true is that people need to not like the establishment. I think today people are kind

00:12:44.380 of much more anti-establishment than when Jack Layton was running. So that's actually a much easier, you know,

00:12:53.540 message to say and to convince people of. But, you know, the other part of that, which is you need to

00:13:01.540 be a person of quality, is just completely missing. Like, why would you vote against the establishment

00:13:08.340 for this, you know, this fool? No one's going to do that. Well, I always find that Jagmeet Singh comes off 0.99

00:13:16.160 as sensitive and preening. And one of the big things, I would say maybe the third aspect to the NDP,

00:13:22.540 a more specific thing, is that you have to make workers like you, people who actually do, like,

00:13:29.340 dirty jobs, people who actually get their hands dirty, where it feels like Jagmeet actively looks

00:13:35.040 uncomfortable around people who work for private sector unions, who work in, like, the auto sector,

00:13:41.080 who are construction workers, who are, you know, in the oil. Why isn't he going and meeting with oil and

00:13:46.040 gas workers? It's like, oh, because he doesn't believe in oil and gas. Like, well, then wrap up the party.

00:13:50.260 You don't believe in, like, legitimately 15% of the economy. So you should basically just

00:13:54.660 pack it all in at that point, because you'll never win an election if for some reason you

00:13:58.680 cannot bridge the gap with certain industries. And so I think that's one of the big things.

00:14:03.200 It's become the, basically the party, at least in my opinion, for 18-year-old girls who are taking

00:14:10.860 anthropology. Yeah, and, like, the LGBT club at the University of Toronto. Like, that's their

00:14:18.480 constituency, or at least that's, that's Jagmeet's constituency. And, you know,

00:14:23.520 White-collar public sector workers, which is funny, because you're almost describing elite workers,

00:14:29.640 people who work at club fed in the federal government with very easy jobs that they don't

00:14:35.560 try too hard at. And that's the people that Jagmeet likes, the HR workers.

00:14:41.220 One of the things that's interesting when you get into the psychology of this stuff is,

00:14:46.720 so the messaging that works for the NDP is an anti-establishment messaging.

00:14:52.560 But when you are in parliament, it's really hard to see yourself as anti-establishment,

00:15:00.380 because you actually are part of the establishment. I mean, I used to work there. And I didn't think

00:15:06.280 of myself as anti-establishment, really. Like, I wasn't. I mean, I knew all, like, I knew the

00:15:10.900 prime minister. I knew, like, I'd go to, you know, I'd go to, like, lodges at the senators,

00:15:16.880 like the hockey senators game paid for by lobbyists. And, you know, you'd go, like, free trips

00:15:23.060 everywhere. Like, are you really anti-establishment? I mean, no, you're not, right? And so there's this,

00:15:31.220 like, disconnect between your actual life as a Ottawa insider and how voters would want to see

00:15:40.460 you to have to vote for you when you're the NDP. So it's, like, very strange. Like, it's all these

00:15:46.400 people that get sucked into this, like, pro-establishment mindset. And then they believe

00:15:50.560 it. And then they tell voters, vote for us because of this. And, like, voters, like, well,

00:15:57.300 if that, then I'm going to vote for the liberals, dude.

00:16:01.000 One of my favorite things is now outgoing NDP MP Charlie Angus, always pretending that he is still

00:16:09.040 this punk rock guy. It's like, dude, yes, how very rock and roll of you, of Charlie Angus. Like,

00:16:16.340 if he ran a punk band, it would be called rage more or less in perfect tandem with the machine.

00:16:21.540 That guy has never said anything that wouldn't have been said on the CBC or global news. And

00:16:26.800 that's what's so funny about it is that he acts like he's some guy who came from the streets. It's

00:16:30.900 like, no, but you sound like all the same people that, like, go and they have, like, that are country

00:16:35.940 clubs and whatnot. And that's the problem. Or you get MPs like Leah Gazzan putting forward just

00:16:40.880 ridiculous legislation. Same as Charlie Angus. We're going to criminalize residential school 0.83

00:16:45.760 denialism with jail time. Like, oh, good, good job. And then Charlie Angus wants it to be there

00:16:50.680 to be jail time if you promote oil and gas. It's like, maybe this is why people don't vote for you.

00:16:55.560 It's because you care more about yourself and looking progressive than you do actually trying

00:17:02.360 to help people progress. Because the funny thing is that I would say every party inherently wants the

00:17:09.020 same things. It's not like one party is like, I actually just want billionaires to make more money.

00:17:13.880 Who cares? Everyone wants everyone to be better off. And the thing is that the NDP, some of the MPs

00:17:19.160 end up destroying their own brand, forgetting that actually maybe, like that maybe you're not the

00:17:26.120 only person who has solutions because they tend to shoot down everything other people have. And it

00:17:30.280 becomes a much, much smaller circle of beliefs that they hold. Where back in 2011, you probably got a lot

00:17:36.500 of guys who are entrepreneurs who would run for the NDP, plumbers, you know, electricians who might

00:17:41.680 try and run for the party. Now you can't, now there's a specific type of person in your mind when

00:17:46.220 you think of an NDP candidate, you know, probably wearing like a keffia and like is a downtown person

00:17:51.980 who works at like a bookstore or whatever. Or, you know, a PhD, someone who has a PhD in

00:17:58.860 woman's studies from the University of Toronto and has never held a job, right? Like that actually is 1.00

00:18:08.780 who all their candidates are. Like, it's really people who've never had jobs and who have like,

00:18:15.040 are like 40 years old and have a PhD. Like, literally, that is all their candidates.

00:18:20.360 Because historically, you could say that the NDP was not even really the more left party of the

00:18:25.940 liberals. It was like you were saying, it's the anti-establishment party, that it might have even

00:18:30.900 more blue collar energy to it. It might even be people who actually don't like too many regulations

00:18:36.120 because it interferes with their business. Correct.

00:18:38.020 But they're in favor of stronger social programs. They want to fund all that stuff more. And that's

00:18:42.400 a different topic. It's more marketable, because people from any walk of life can vote for you.

00:18:48.860 But now Jagmeet Singh is having, is basically, he chooses the voters himself. You have to apply to

00:18:56.720 be an NDP voter, and he'll decide if he wants you or not. And then, at the same time, you also have

00:19:03.000 to, for some reason, like, deeply care about the balance of parliament to vote for the NDP now with 1.00

00:19:09.340 their stupid strategic voting plan. The core message of the CCF, which is the party that became 0.99

00:19:16.440 the NDP, was really simple. Okay, what it was, was, hey, we should stop spending a ton of money on

00:19:24.580 foreign wars. And we should take that money, and we should give it to ourselves. Right? It's like,

00:19:30.820 the liberals and the conservatives, they want to take all your money and fund foreign wars. This is

00:19:36.160 in a period where Canada had a big military and spent a lot on that type of stuff. And instead of doing

00:19:43.920 that, give me that money. Right? That was the message. The current, like, Charlie Angus is a

00:19:50.780 great example. I think there's a, I think you posted this. I don't know. There's this video

00:19:55.800 that's going around online of Charlie Angus, like, yelling at people and swearing at them,

00:20:01.680 because he was, like, warmongering and trying to get Canada to go and, like, fight in, you know,

00:20:07.060 Ukraine or something. And it's like, what the hell? Like, like, the core NDP message right now,

00:20:13.120 okay, this is what it should be. It should be like, why did Trudeau give $10 billion to Ukraine?

00:20:18.080 And why don't we take that money back and just write a check to everybody? Right? That is the

00:20:23.440 NDP message. And it's like, their message is the opposite. Their message is like, no,

00:20:28.340 why are we only giving $10 billion to Ukraine? Why don't we shut down all of the healthcare spending

00:20:34.240 and take all that money and give it to Ukraine? Or here's the thing, too. They're the workers

00:20:39.320 party who is in favor of more immigration at all times. And it's like, isn't the whole point,

00:20:44.820 this is even what happened to Bernie Sanders over time in the United States, that Bernie Sanders

00:20:49.640 started off with the guy who was actually kind of a hawk on immigration. He actually is a little bit

00:20:54.720 more in favor of individual rights when it comes to certain things around firearms and whatnot.

00:20:59.100 But he wants Medicare for all, but he wants this or that. And it's like, yeah, you can argue with

00:21:04.080 those are good things or not. But it makes coherent sense, where Jagmeet wants to still pretend he's

00:21:10.320 the fist in the air workers guy. At the same time, he loves the TFW program, and loves all these

00:21:16.380 subsidized workers that then undermine people trying to get their foot into the job market.

00:21:21.300 Yeah, I mean, Jagmeet is just a guy who wishes he was a WEF young, whatever they call them,

00:21:29.760 young leaders, or whatever they are. Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing. This is another

00:21:36.000 totally different thing about Jagmeet. The funny thing is, I actually think he would do so much

00:21:39.860 better if he just embraced the fact that he's a champagne socialist. He should just be like,

00:21:44.060 oh, of course I'm endlessly fashionable. You should vote for me because I want to make the country rich

00:21:48.380 like I am. Except he's nervous of it. He's insecure at all times. And my thing is, you've told me

00:21:55.860 in our last interview, he actually was motivated about getting his pension, which was so pathetic

00:22:00.880 to me because he's already independently wealthy. But on top of that, my thing as well is that I feel

00:22:07.660 like he also just wants to stay in Parliament as long as he can be possible because he knows this

00:22:12.020 is his last election. And so he wants to be a character on this television show as long as

00:22:17.520 possible. And he keeps going to the soap opera writers and says, can you give me one more episode?

00:22:21.960 I just, it's going to end, but please let me have a long, let me, let me go out in a two-parter,

00:22:27.600 please. It's totally pathetic. And one of the things we were talking about earlier is, 0.96

00:22:34.140 you know, the knives are out for Jagmeet. Like the, there are people, and I can give you,

00:22:40.660 you know, actual names that people are organizing. One is Abby Lewis, who are actively right now

00:22:48.800 organizing to, you know, get rid of Jagmeet after the election and become the leader.

00:22:55.360 So like these people, what they're doing, instead of helping the NDP win, which is presumably what

00:23:01.440 you think they would do, is they're just like, oh yeah, the NDP is going to get crushed. These

00:23:06.920 are people who actually agree with Jagmeet, right? It's not like, it's not like me who's like,

00:23:10.840 hey, these guys are losers. Like they need to change. Abby Lewis, he loves Jagmeet. He's like, 0.99

00:23:15.960 yeah, Jagmeet's great. Like we need more Jagmeet, but we need me to be more Jagmeet, right?

00:23:22.920 And these people who love Jagmeet's policies and agree with him, they're out to backstab him

00:23:29.620 and organizing now to be able to get rid of him after the election, you know, for their own,

00:23:35.460 you know, ego and their own, you know, self-interest. But that's what's going on in the party.

00:23:41.440 Like the whole party is just collapsing due to just being not good.

00:23:48.280 Well, we've been seeing polls where they're like eight or 9%. Now I personally don't think

00:23:52.020 they're going to end up that low. I think it's what I call a response bias that can happen

00:23:56.880 to boost up polling or boost down polling. I don't think the liberals are quite at 40%

00:24:01.900 like we're seeing. I think they're probably still in the mid thirties. I would actually assume

00:24:05.500 conservatives are leading, but the liberals are currently in a honeymoon. But on the other side,

00:24:09.580 the fact the NDP are so low just demonstrates that the average NDP voter is depressed. I think

00:24:14.460 this was a stat that was available last time we spoke. It was like those certain to vote NDP,

00:24:19.940 the people definitely going to show up and vote. Even 53% of those guys don't like Jagmeet Singh.

00:24:26.260 They think he is the wrong leader. And it's because, yes, you'll have people who are like,

00:24:30.800 oh, I love Jagmeet. And then they want to get rid of him. But there's a lot of people who are just

00:24:34.020 already preemptively queasy and not willing to put up with this. They'll still show up and vote,

00:24:38.580 but they feel like their actual time is being wasted. And so like, what do you think even think

00:24:43.460 a Jagmeet Singh debate performance is going to look like? Actually, I want to bring this up on

00:24:47.840 screen before I get to that. They can't even afford to actually fly around the country.

00:24:52.260 So Jagmeet Singh is now only taking a bus. He's going to bus across the country because he cannot

00:24:58.720 afford an actual camp. Not that the NDP could ever afford a campaign jet the way that the liberals,

00:25:03.640 liberals, the way that the liberals and the conservatives do. But you can tell how little

00:25:09.840 money they have on hand. So I guess last two questions before we wrap this up. What's the

00:25:15.120 financials looking like for the NDP right now? And what do you think Jagmeet's personal strategy

00:25:19.740 is going to be in the debate?

00:25:21.940 You know what? Here's the thing people don't realize about the NDP and their finances.

00:25:27.680 So the way that the conservative party works is, so let's say there's a local conservative party

00:25:37.300 where I live in Hallelmer. So the Hallelmer conservative campaign, they're going to raise

00:25:41.720 let's say $20,000 because they can't win here and they'll spend $20,000 and then they'll get an

00:25:47.900 Elections Canada rebate, right? So Elections Canada will give them back a percentage of that money

00:25:52.700 and they will keep that money. The local campaign will keep that money.

00:25:57.680 Okay. The NDP campaign will do the same thing, but the federal NDP will steal their money. 1.00

00:26:05.000 Okay. And what they're doing, the way that they have money to run their campaign,

00:26:09.680 okay, is they go see a bank and they tell them, we are going to steal the money

00:26:13.760 from our local writings after Elections Canada reverses them. And that's how we're going to pay

00:26:20.220 back this loan. Yeah. What the hell? That's like anti-grassroots. That's like your members are

00:26:29.260 serfs. Yeah. So it's like, not only are they going to, like, it's totally crazy, right? They're going

00:26:35.780 to see like a big bank and they're telling them, we are going to rob our grassroots members to pay

00:26:42.340 back alone. Okay. It's just like the least grassroots kind of, you know, approach, but

00:26:49.760 not only that, they still can't afford to run their own campaign despite being essentially thieves,

00:26:57.340 right? It's completely crazy. It's completely crazy. And it's like, how are you, like,

00:27:04.200 why does anyone put up with this? I mean, you know, people in the party, like they're former

00:27:13.300 members of parliament. Okay. The NDP used to have this rule where any former member of parliament

00:27:19.460 could show up at a caucus meeting and participate, right? So they have their meetings of all the

00:27:27.080 caucus, all the members of parliament on Wednesdays when the house, the parliament is sitting and any,

00:27:33.700 any former member of parliament, if they're in town and wanted to, could show up. They change those

00:27:38.460 rules. Okay. Why do they change those rules? They change those rules because former members of

00:27:44.240 parliament would show up and yell at them because they suck so much. 0.96

00:27:48.980 Well, they didn't want Tom Mulcair showing up and saying, I told you so. 0.98

00:27:52.760 I mean, I won't, I won't give you specific names, but there are specific people who would show up

00:27:57.060 and yell at them over, um, over their policy. And they had to change the rule

00:28:03.460 so that people, these four, like prominent former members of parliament would stop coming. 0.99

00:28:08.040 It's so stupid because you're in politics and you're like, please leave us alone. We're having 0.99

00:28:12.280 our meeting and we don't want to hear this. We just want, and it's like, that's the problem. It's

00:28:16.180 being run. And I know parties like this, by the way, this is what the BC conservatives are like right

00:28:21.100 now. It's a party being run by children who don't want to hear that they made a mistake. Don't just

00:28:25.440 leave. Just like they'll kick people out or like, you know, it's ridiculous. Whenever parties start to 0.92

00:28:31.160 become sensitive to criticism, they're, they're dead in the water. But, uh, I guess last,

00:28:35.980 the last question is what do you think Jagmeet is going to do out of the debate? 0.99

00:28:40.080 He's just going to be a lightweight and suck, and he's going to attack Priya Polyev 0.99

00:28:44.840 and, uh, it'll just continue their current strategy. 0.99

00:28:49.460 Honestly, that could be great for Priya Polyev as a conservative. And I'd love Jagmeet to try and 0.51

00:28:54.740 take swing, like take haymakers at Polyev because the whole debate should be about Polyev. And if

00:29:00.180 anything, that helps him. And then dude, who, who, who could he more easily dunk on on stage

00:29:05.940 than Jagmeet saying that he's going to go after him and he's going to call him like a socialist 0.98

00:29:09.360 loser. And then he's going to gain like three points in the polls just from the hilarity alone. 0.93

00:29:14.440 But, you know, I guess something we can all look forward to. I, maybe you, you should come back on

00:29:18.660 to do a debate recap. Yeah. Or do a debate live stream. Oh yeah. I should, I do. I totally do that.

00:29:25.000 Maybe I'll try and bring someone up from all the parties. Uh, but, uh, but no, thanks for coming on,

00:29:30.460 uh, Julian. Uh, so he's been doing a lot of stuff online. So guys, whenever you see a Julian pop up

00:29:35.800 on another show, you should definitely go check it out. Cause these have all been fun updates from,

00:29:39.800 uh, NDP world and what's going on behind the scenes. Yes. Most NDP people do not like Jagmeet

00:29:45.380 sing just as much as anyone else doesn't. But, uh, thanks for coming on, Julian. And thanks

00:29:50.040 for watching everyone. Make sure to like, share, subscribe, do all that stuff, leave a comment

00:29:53.940 and I'll see you guys next.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - March 22, 2025

Is Jagmeet Singh destroying the NDP to let Carney win! (ft. Julien Newman)

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