The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - September 09, 2024


Jagmeet Singh humiliates himself as Trudeau partners with the Bloc

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Jagmeet Singh is the new leader of the federal NDP, but he's not even close to being a serious contender in the upcoming by-election against the Bloc Quebecois' Thomas Mulcair. And yet, he seems to have no idea what he's doing.

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00:00:00.000 As a conservative, I obviously do not like the federal NDP, but I can acknowledge that Jack Layton had real political skill.
00:00:09.640 He was charismatic, knew how to debate, knew how to position himself on different issues, and those are political skills that Jagmeet Singh obviously does not possess.
00:00:20.000 Jagmeet Singh doesn't even have the political skills that Thomas Mulcair has.
00:00:24.340 Thomas Mulcair could blow Jagmeet Singh out of the water, and Thomas Mulcair could only be described as mediocre himself.
00:00:32.080 It's all become very evident that Jagmeet Singh doesn't know what he's doing ever since he ripped up the supply and confidence agreement with the liberals.
00:00:39.660 Like, obviously, we already knew he was incompetent even before that, but I mean, like, this has put a very fine point on it.
00:00:45.920 Jagmeet Singh does this dramatic, symbolic breaking of the alliance with the liberals, and then does nothing.
00:00:55.440 He has nothing, because as much as the NDP, in theory, should be opposing the liberals if they were smart in trying to position themselves for next election to gain seats,
00:01:07.800 But the problem is that Jagmeet Singh and the liberals pretty much agreed on everything, or at least Jagmeet Singh was willing to agree with the liberals on everything.
00:01:17.320 And when he tore up the agreement, there wasn't a big moment of disagreement between Singh and Trudeau.
00:01:23.400 Singh just kind of did it and then accused the liberals of being corporate.
00:01:26.440 It was very hollow, and you could tell that Jagmeet Singh just realized that he was floundering in the polls because he had tied himself to Trudeau,
00:01:34.680 so he had to somehow break the chain even while not having a good reason to at the time.
00:01:40.000 And Justin Trudeau doesn't even seem to really care that the NDP has done this.
00:01:45.580 He's just gone over and joined with the Bloc Québécois, it looks like, and he's just going to carry on with them.
00:01:51.500 They had more political power than the NDP did anyways.
00:01:54.140 They have more seats, and this is why it's so silly Jagmeet Singh pretending that he is now putting the Trudeau government at risk because the Bloc always existed too.
00:02:04.820 And again, the NDP is just going to keep voting with the liberals anyways because they share priorities.
00:02:09.900 The difference between the liberals' priorities and the NDP's priorities, at least in this term that we're in parliament right now,
00:02:19.260 is that if the liberals wanted to spend a billion dollars on something, the NDP would want to spend $1.1 billion.
00:02:26.900 That's really the only difference between the two parties.
00:02:29.160 It's just the scale of government spending and the size of the programs.
00:02:33.660 And now Jagmeet Singh is just kind of floating around in real life, but mostly just on social media, posting fairly mediocre ads.
00:02:43.240 Ads he could have been refining and creating better messaging around for months because if he knew he was potentially going to break this alliance,
00:02:51.260 you should have stockpiled a lot of great anti-liberal messaging.
00:02:55.000 But he didn't.
00:02:56.620 So we have this on his social media, on his X account.
00:03:01.160 He says, change starts with taking care of each other.
00:03:04.820 No more broken promises and cuts.
00:03:06.940 What cuts?
00:03:08.440 Seriously, what cuts, Jagmeet?
00:03:10.460 What cuts have occurred in this federal government?
00:03:12.800 You and Justin Trudeau have only added to the bloated budget.
00:03:16.640 But whatever, I digress, getting back to what Jagmeet was trying to say.
00:03:19.820 It's time for a government that cares for its people.
00:03:22.780 And it starts now.
00:03:24.220 And it comes with this cringy 30-second video.
00:03:27.100 Change.
00:03:27.820 Change.
00:03:28.540 Change.
00:03:29.160 It makes us stronger.
00:03:30.340 It moves us forward.
00:03:31.640 It gives us hope.
00:03:32.620 It doesn't come from tearing each other down.
00:03:34.600 I'm offended on Jack Layton's behalf that they even inserted his image into this as if Jagmeet Singh has something in common with him.
00:03:42.780 Jack Layton probably wouldn't let Jagmeet Singh into a federal NDP where he was still running it.
00:03:47.700 It comes from looking after our neighbors.
00:03:49.520 It's not about broken promises and empty words.
00:03:51.780 It's about delivering for people.
00:03:53.620 In this by-election, you have a choice.
00:03:55.280 Help Justin Trudeau and the Liberals rig the rules for corporate profit or join us to change them and lower the price of your groceries and your rent.
00:04:03.140 The change starts here.
00:04:04.840 By voting NDP on September 16th.
00:04:07.200 It starts here.
00:04:08.340 It all starts here.
00:04:09.900 It's just so bad.
00:04:12.300 He's going to deliver for Canadians.
00:04:14.520 Dude, I wouldn't let Jagmeet Singh deliver me a pizza.
00:04:18.400 He just can't follow through.
00:04:20.800 Outside of the whole ideological side of things where I don't agree with his perspective on policies, where did the Liberals betray you on corporate issues?
00:04:32.660 You literally crafted the grocery store bill of rights together or code of conduct or whatever it was.
00:04:40.840 You created that.
00:04:41.660 It was technically an anti-corporate piece of legislation.
00:04:44.820 The dirty secret is everything the NDP wants to pass actually helps large corporations because it wipes out their smaller competition.
00:04:51.980 But from the NDP's frame of mind, how did the Liberals betray you?
00:04:57.060 Like, no more betrayals.
00:04:58.720 No more cuts.
00:04:59.900 No more broken promises.
00:05:01.620 What broken promises?
00:05:02.760 If anything, the Liberals' biggest flaw is they keep delivering what they said they were going to deliver.
00:05:08.020 But it's not exactly, you know, it's not good delivery.
00:05:11.800 It's DiGiorno. 0.98
00:05:12.440 But aside from that terrible joke, it's really just that what the Liberals' agenda is sucks. 0.96
00:05:18.940 So it doesn't matter if they delivered or not. 0.99
00:05:20.600 It's horrible.
00:05:21.680 But now I want to move on to another thing that Jagmeet Singh posted recently.
00:05:26.940 All of it's just been this very cringe anti-corporate type messaging like this post right here.
00:05:32.960 He says, big corporations and wealthy CEOs have had their government.
00:05:37.760 It's the people's time.
00:05:39.380 You were part of the government.
00:05:40.680 You were part of the government.
00:05:42.820 If anything, he's throwing the people under the bus because apparently the people were in charge over the past, like, six years because they've been, or, like, five years because they've been propping up the Liberals since 2019, passing legislation with them.
00:05:57.860 So what do you mean it's the people's time?
00:05:59.560 Technically, if the definition of the people's time is the NDP being in office, means that it has technically already been the people's time.
00:06:07.520 And I guess the people messed up pretty hard.
00:06:10.580 Let's go find another post from him.
00:06:12.560 All these terrible, oh my goodness, all of his terrible fake enthusiasm videos here where he's, like, promoting his NDP candidates in these different by-elections.
00:06:22.660 Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva! Viva!
00:06:29.380 I gotta say, I don't know why any politician does videos like this.
00:06:32.960 It's, it doesn't, it, I don't know who, who, what support this is winning you.
00:06:37.700 But there's another post he made.
00:06:40.000 Oh my goodness.
00:06:40.740 Oh, it's this, it's this video.
00:06:42.660 It's this video.
00:06:43.700 But again, the through line with all these videos is just nothing.
00:06:46.780 It's just him looking like he's in some sort of, like, North Face ad, walking around, looking stalwart about things, while not actually laying out a vision for what the NDP even is, other than the more progressive version of the liberals, in which that's hard to even imagine a more progressive version of Justin Trudeau's liberal party.
00:07:10.860 Justin Trudeau, as I've said in the past a lot, is actually a very orange liberal.
00:07:15.680 He is an urban progressive liberal in a way that Jack Layton's party wasn't when he was the NDP leader.
00:07:22.860 You could say that Jack Layton, or in BC, a John Horgan, even if I fully disagree with their policy proposals, they have the feel of a blue NDP, a working class NDP.
00:07:34.900 Jack Layton looks like Ted Turner.
00:07:37.000 He looks like somebody who, if he was managing a business, wouldn't screw it up.
00:07:40.480 But Jagmeet Singh could screw up a lemonade stand, and that's an impression that he is not shaking with these very, again, the word I use is floaty, flatulent.
00:07:51.000 He doesn't actually have a coherent, substantive point.
00:07:54.720 But here's Jagmeet Singh saying, in Canada, we take care of our neighbors.
00:07:59.900 That's who we are.
00:08:01.020 But right now, people are losing hope.
00:08:03.480 They're falling behind while CEOs make record profits.
00:08:06.120 No, they aren't.
00:08:06.980 It's revenues.
00:08:08.520 Companies' profit margins have actually been falling. 0.99
00:08:11.220 But Jagmeet Singh, because he's either stupid or a liar, I tend to think the latter, is pretending that they're making record profits. 0.98
00:08:18.220 And then he goes on to say, Justin Trudeau let people down, but we can stop conservative cuts and price gouging. 1.00
00:08:24.420 If we stand together, we will win together.
00:08:29.240 Okay, and now I've got to show you the video.
00:08:31.880 Again, a lot of video.
00:08:33.120 He looks like he's in some sort of Old Navy ad or whatever, but Old Navy is not pricey enough for him.
00:08:38.940 So insert whatever expensive brand here, Amber Crombie and Fitch, I guess.
00:08:44.400 Every day when I'm confronted with challenges, when I'm dealing with struggles or a crisis, I am guided by this basic principle.
00:08:56.720 We are better off when we take care of each other.
00:08:59.440 There's no question about it.
00:09:00.800 And if we take care of each other, if we lift each other up, if we support each other, we all rise.
00:09:06.940 Sorry, but what crisis or difficulty has Jagmeet Singh actually dealt with in politics? 1.00
00:09:14.000 Like, this must just be an excerpt from his last caucus meeting where everyone's saying that he's an idiot. 0.97
00:09:18.620 And he's saying, well, you know, it would be better if you guys don't throw me out and we stick together because then we're stronger. 0.99
00:09:25.560 That's what determines the decisions I make.
00:09:28.680 How can we lift each other up?
00:09:30.160 How can we support each other better?
00:09:31.840 How can we take better care of each other?
00:09:35.060 Yeah, he has the politics of an 18-year-old anthropology student.
00:09:41.000 It's so bad.
00:09:41.860 These are, this is why.
00:09:44.020 And he, the funny thing is, as much as he rips on pure polyeth, he really wants to be pure polyeth.
00:09:50.200 Jagmeet Singh would love to be the orange version of pure polyeth.
00:09:53.480 Very aggressive, very stalwart and principled on the issues, taking it to the liberals and saying,
00:10:00.440 why haven't you done this?
00:10:01.640 Answer the question.
00:10:02.560 Answer the question.
00:10:03.560 But Jagmeet Singh doesn't have any of that.
00:10:05.040 So it's, it's just floaty, adolescent type rhetoric about rising together and greedy CEOs.
00:10:16.120 You've been propping up the government for six years or five years.
00:10:19.360 How is it that profits are like, there's now record profits because you've been helping with the legislation.
00:10:23.900 Again, there isn't record profits.
00:10:26.120 Everyone's actually getting far poorer.
00:10:28.160 Jagmeet Singh should technically like what's going on because, like what Margaret Thatcher said about the Labour Party in the 90s,
00:10:35.400 he'd rather the poor be poorer as long as the rich were less rich.
00:10:38.480 And in a certain sense, Jagmeet Singh has absolutely achieved his goal.
00:10:43.260 But anyways, moving on.
00:10:45.140 Oh my goodness, there's all these like, be the change type posts.
00:10:49.380 And this one is really the cherry on top of it all.
00:10:52.640 For me and many other people, he posted this where he's looking for Lorne walking on a pier,
00:10:58.800 which does not jive at all with the language he then uses in the post.
00:11:03.260 He says, I love our country.
00:11:05.740 Apparently not enough to call an election, but he says, I love our country.
00:11:10.600 But right now, we are at a crossroads.
00:11:13.020 Conservative cuts and corporate greed are the greatest threat to Canadian relief.
00:11:17.060 What cuts?
00:11:18.180 What cuts?
00:11:18.660 The Conservatives aren't even in power.
00:11:20.060 Like, we actually should be making cuts.
00:11:21.800 The amount of wasteful spending in government right now is insane.
00:11:25.100 Spending where if we got rid of it, nobody would miss it other than the person working the fake job that it's paying for.
00:11:30.500 But like, what is he talking about?
00:11:32.800 The greatest threat, like there's no conservative government, but he needs to be in opposition of something.
00:11:39.080 And he can't be in opposition of the liberal government.
00:11:41.520 One, because he's not prepared for an election.
00:11:43.560 But also, two, he can't name something that they've done that he can actually disagree with.
00:11:47.700 They did the pharma care plan.
00:11:48.960 It's terrible.
00:11:49.740 They did the dental care plan.
00:11:50.980 It's terrible.
00:11:51.800 But Jagmeet Singh supports those things.
00:11:53.200 So how does he actually go after Justin Trudeau?
00:11:56.500 Well, but to finish up the post, he says, but if we stand united, we can win together.
00:12:01.360 How inspiring.
00:12:02.360 That puts a tear in my eye.
00:12:04.320 CEOs have had their governments.
00:12:06.020 It's the people's time.
00:12:07.340 And the thing that people have been pointing out, he says, we are at a crossroads.
00:12:11.940 And they decided to post a photo of Jagmeet Singh taking a long walk off a short pier.
00:12:17.200 However, if you're going to do political rhetoric, pair it up with an image that makes sense.
00:12:25.280 Have him standing on the pier looking out.
00:12:27.940 That would make more sense.
00:12:28.980 Looks like he's thinking about a tough decision.
00:12:31.320 And the crossroads is more of a mental one.
00:12:34.220 Or have him being taken in a picture at a park where there is a literal crossroads.
00:12:39.240 Instead, you have Jagmeet Singh hands in his pockets about to walk into the ocean.
00:12:44.160 Not a bad idea.
00:12:45.320 But still, I'm a conservative, as I said before.
00:12:49.900 But I get driven up the wall when I see terrible political rhetoric.
00:12:55.860 And one of the worst rhetoricians in Canada is Jagmeet Singh.
00:13:00.340 He does not know how to speak to anyone who isn't a progressive.
00:13:03.280 You'll notice whenever he talks to unions, he always looks uncomfortable whenever he's
00:13:07.720 around like auto workers and people who actually work tough jobs.
00:13:11.320 But he looks super comfortable whenever he's around like white collar public sector unions
00:13:16.140 who don't really do anything and they get paid too much to do it.
00:13:19.860 But now, I don't really have anything else to show on screen here.
00:13:23.720 But I do want to talk about how the liberals, and this is really demonstrating how bad the
00:13:29.140 position the liberals are in.
00:13:31.120 Jagmeet Singh didn't put them in a tough position.
00:13:32.980 They were already in a tough position.
00:13:34.400 And Jagmeet Singh is a purely irrelevant factor.
00:13:37.400 But now, the liberals, to give their government a sense of stability, they really don't need
00:13:43.080 to partner up with anybody.
00:13:44.060 But they want the public to feel like the government's more stable by having like a party to link
00:13:49.620 arms with and say that they are going to guarantee all our legislation.
00:13:52.540 They are now basically going to join together with the separatist bloc Quebecois.
00:13:59.220 And why this is so bad for the liberals symbolically is that this is basically them saying we need 0.97
00:14:05.960 to gird up our support in Quebec by joining with the Quebec-based party, which is stupid because, 0.95
00:14:13.500 if anything, this is proving to Quebecers that you can vote bloc and you get everything that 0.98
00:14:18.760 you want because the liberals need you anyway.
00:14:21.260 So there's no point in voting for a liberal because the liberals need the bloc to survive.
00:14:26.060 Because in the past, the idea was don't vote for the bloc.
00:14:29.200 They're going to have 10 seats.
00:14:30.460 They're not going to be able to really get anything done.
00:14:31.760 Now the bloc technically controls things or they have a lot more influence over legislation.
00:14:37.340 So this is just going to promote a lot more Quebecers voting for the bloc.
00:14:41.920 And the liberals out of this are hoping that they end up giving Quebec more stuff
00:14:48.120 and that they're going to shore up their support in Quebec.
00:14:51.360 But if we're talking about needing to shore up your support in Quebec, your party's dead.
00:14:57.340 Your party's not functioning if you're the liberals and you need to worry about your support in Montreal. 1.00
00:15:03.080 That's horrifyingly stupid. 1.00
00:15:05.140 This would be like if there was a conservative government needing to bend over backwards 1.00
00:15:09.860 to shore up their support in Saskatchewan, Alberta.
00:15:12.360 If we're the enemies are truly at the gates of your last capital,
00:15:16.700 if you're worried about Montreal and you're Justin Trudeau.
00:15:21.240 But that's the kind of situation liberals are currently in. 0.66
00:15:25.260 There's this ridiculous new poll out from Nick Nanos for one last thing to dunk on.
00:15:32.500 This is basically turning into an episode of the Wyatt Claypool show
00:15:35.660 where I run through three topics by planning it out this way.
00:15:38.380 But Nick Nanos released poll numbers, and again, not even worthwhile showing it on screen,
00:15:45.020 where the liberals are only down 12 points.
00:15:47.460 Nick Nanos, I love you, kid.
00:15:49.800 You've got to find a new line of work if you think the liberals are only down 12 points on the conservatives.
00:15:55.240 Every other pollster pretty much is showing the liberals trailing the conservatives by 18 to 21 points.
00:16:02.720 And before anyone says, well, maybe Nanos' numbers are more accurate.
00:16:06.160 Maybe he's more in touch with what Canadians want.
00:16:08.440 Toronto St. Paul begs to differ, and the tightness of these two upcoming by-elections,
00:16:13.880 or at least this by-election in Verdun, also begs to differ.
00:16:18.240 The liberals are not in a healthy position, and the fact that you lose Toronto St. Paul
00:16:22.320 means that you're not within 12 points.
00:16:24.660 You're more within 19 points of the conservatives.
00:16:28.260 The numbers that Nick Nanos put out put the liberals leading in Atlantic Canada.
00:16:34.140 All the other pollsters show the conservatives sometimes above 50% support in Atlantic Canada.
00:16:40.340 The liberals are not leading in Atlantic Canada.
00:16:42.660 They had an 8% lead in Atlantic Canada in this Nanos poll.
00:16:47.200 That's a fake number.
00:16:48.300 And for the most part, the polling industry in Canada is actually quite accurate.
00:16:52.940 They're quite good at doing their jobs.
00:16:54.840 But there are some, what I would just describe as dinosaur pollsters, who keep trying to poll elections like they did in 2005.
00:17:03.440 Whether they are still doing landlines, or they are still doing, not that they're literally doing landlines,
00:17:10.240 but they're just polling through cell phones the same way they used to do landlines.
00:17:14.360 Or they're doing these really flaky IVR or online polls where the questions aren't phrased correctly,
00:17:21.920 and they're way oversampling urban cores.
00:17:24.760 And then they just fart out these numbers, and then we're like all supposed to believe that this is even somewhat realistic.
00:17:30.100 I could just guess numbers in a day, and it's going to be closer than what Nick Nanos would say in terms of my margin of error.
00:17:38.320 You can, if you know politics enough in a country, and especially if you do campaigning like I do,
00:17:43.660 and you just walk around, almost it doesn't matter what riding you're in,
00:17:48.180 you can generally guess what people's impressions are of each party in that area.
00:17:54.260 Because you can kind of absorb the mood of people.
00:17:57.040 You talk to enough people, you even talk to people who were already conservatives,
00:18:01.760 and you can kind of tell that people have become more conservative over the past few years.
00:18:07.640 But like Nick Nanos and these other people just like go to their crystal ball,
00:18:11.340 and they're like, oh, the liberals are at 27, and the conservatives are at 39. 0.78
00:18:15.380 If you think this next election is going to have a conservative sub 40, you're insane.
00:18:21.060 Obviously, if a scandal happens, that could occur, but that's just to basically say anything can happen.
00:18:26.060 This is not a plus, only a plus 12 lead for the conservatives, let alone a sub 40 position for the conservatives.
00:18:35.920 This is like in BC, when all the pollsters are showing, like NDP up one, tie, conservatives up three, conservatives up two, NDP up two.
00:18:46.920 That's realistic.
00:18:48.320 And then console strategies, or whatever they're called, comes out with a plus eight NDP poll.
00:18:53.580 Like, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to laugh at you aggressively if you predict numbers like plus eight BC NDP in a race like this.
00:19:02.580 This is a tight election.
00:19:04.500 You walk around, you talk to people, even in the more NDP or more conservative areas, you can detect it's a tight election.
00:19:12.400 It's just one of those things you can understand if you actually know how people usually typically talk about politics and how moods shift.
00:19:20.800 It is far more of a change election happening in BC.
00:19:25.180 Not everyone you talk to is voting conservative.
00:19:27.260 Not everyone's anti-NDP.
00:19:28.820 There's a lot of people who reflexively vote anti-conservative.
00:19:31.940 But it's not an election where there's going to be plus eight NDP.
00:19:35.240 Plus eight NDP would have the NDP win a majority of like 15 seats.
00:19:40.400 It's not, that's not that type of election.
00:19:42.460 You wouldn't have as many NDP MLAs just dropping out and saying they're not running again if it was going to be an easy walkover election victory.
00:19:49.400 But whatever, maybe I don't know anything.
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