The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - March 27, 2026


Liberal MP in PANIC MODE after getting EXPOSED as CCP puppet!

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MP Michael Ma crossed the floor in the House of Commons to question a Chinese expert on China's human rights record, and ended up questioning whether or not she had actually seen forced labor in China. He later apologized for his mistake, but still managed to make himself look like a complete clown.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.
00:00:06.200 This whole situation with MP Michael Ma is getting worse for Prime Minister Mark Carney and the
00:00:12.860 Liberal Party. They thought they were getting a subservient floor-crosser from the Conservative
00:00:17.780 Party who was going to help them vote through everything they wanted in government, and instead
00:00:22.760 they got a loud and proud CCP agent. If you haven't seen the tape yet, he ended up questioning
00:00:30.080 an expert on China about whether or not she had actually seen forced labor herself making himself 0.93
00:00:37.260 look like a complete clown and a CCP puppet. Check out this video before we get into his
00:00:43.760 response to all this. Do you have an advanced degree in technology and cybersecurity? Yes and
00:00:49.360 No, but I have spent 37 years in that business.
00:00:56.360 The other one is you belong to the China Strategic Risk Institute.
00:01:01.360 So does this institute specifically look for risk when there is in one? Yes or no?
00:01:06.360 No.
00:01:08.360 So why is it a risk institute?
00:01:10.360 Because it analyzes risks that are obviously there.
00:01:16.360 what a what a reddit type question from michael ma uh so you're from the risk institute so you
00:01:22.400 just go around basically trying to find risk where it isn't at it's like clearly a country like china
00:01:28.920 poses a risk to western countries like canada and he's trying to like trip her up with like that
00:01:35.000 just obnoxious snarky question about that but i'm gonna let this finish then we're gonna get to his
00:01:40.500 response on x to all this so uh the last question then this is where it really fall it falls off
00:01:46.640 the rails if you haven't seen it yet is you claim about forced labor in shenzhen have you witnessed
00:01:52.340 this yourself have you been there ever i've been to china many times have you witnessed since 1979
00:01:59.800 have you witnessed force that's just a short answer have you witnessed forced labor in shenzhen
00:02:06.860 yes or no um so did you get that from here i work closely with human rights watch where
00:02:13.980 researchers did witness it yeah uh so this was an extremely bad look and it seems like michael
00:02:21.660 ma completely misread how loud and proud he was about to he was allowed to be about being a ccp 0.99
00:02:27.420 plant like this is such a gift to pier poliev and the conservatives who should have never greenlit
00:02:34.140 somebody like this as their candidate in markham unionville remember you know that one guy that
00:02:40.140 paul chang the former liberal mp went after and said that he should be arrested and you can take
00:02:45.200 the bounty on his head um it was uh something i forget the guy's name it's really sad i can't
00:02:51.340 no joe tay he was saying that you could go ahead and basically take joe tay to the chinese consul
00:02:56.260 and get a big bounty on his head joe tay being a freedom activist from hong kong who now lives in
00:03:01.900 Canada and as a Canadian citizen. Michael Ma was literally the replacement candidate for Joe Tay
00:03:08.680 in Markham Unionville. The party, the Conservative Party, bumped Joe Tay, a fantastic anti-communist
00:03:15.760 candidate from the very winnable Markham Unionville riding in favor of Michael Ma, and Joe Tay had to
00:03:21.800 go run in Danforth North, which was sort of a dead-on-arrival riding. Joe Tay still gave the
00:03:27.680 liberal a good run for their money, but he could have been an MP right now from the riding of
00:03:32.500 Markham Unionville. But instead, we have Michael Ma, who then crosses the floor. And at least the
00:03:37.220 funny part is that he's blowing up in the faces of the liberals right now. So now let's get to his
00:03:44.080 tweet response to all this, because he's trying to make it all better and clarify that he didn't
00:03:50.380 actually or he wasn't denying forced labor in any way, even though you clearly just saw him do that.
00:03:56.240 Before we get into the tweet, though, I just want to remind you guys, if you like the show,
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00:04:18.620 which basically allows you to allow the algorithm to know that other people should watch these
00:04:23.140 videos. The new algorithm annoys me and for some reason this is something that exists on the mobile
00:04:28.720 app that helps channels apparently. But here is Michael Ma's response. Naturally he turned the
00:04:35.840 comments off so people could not actually say anything against him. And Michael Ma here says
00:04:42.020 today during an exchange with a witness at the standing committee on industry and technology
00:04:48.140 I asked questions that inadvertently came across as dismissive of the serious issue of forced labor.
00:04:54.520 To be clear, my line of questioning referred to the auto manufacturing in Shenzhen, China, and not Xinjiang.
00:05:02.320 I regret this mistake and apologize to Ms. McQuaig-Johnson and my fellow committee members.
00:05:08.640 I condemn forced labor in all of its forms.
00:05:11.320 Canada has amongst the most rigorous forced labor import laws in the world,
00:05:15.400 and I am proud to support the government's work to eradicate forced labor from supply chains
00:05:20.120 and enforce Canada's important prohibition. Well, no, he doesn't, because in fact, he is trying to
00:05:27.340 let China off the hook for the fact that they do have forced labor in their country. Lots of it, 1.00
00:05:33.620 millions of people are involved in it. But he's saying, well, you know, when they put together
00:05:37.960 EVs, there's no forced labor, there's no one handcuffed to a workbench. So ergo, it's totally
00:05:44.660 okay for Canada to trade for those goods, even though other parts of the manufacturing process
00:05:50.480 could be in other areas of China. And by the way, we should be trying to trade less with China
00:05:55.380 anyways. They're basically just dumping EVs in Canada's market to try and undermine our own EV
00:06:01.340 market. It's not a good exchange of goods between Canada and China right now. This is not an equal 0.99
00:06:07.820 partnership the way it typically was with Canada and the United States. I want that relationship
00:06:14.240 to go back to zero tariffs, rather than us branching out and trying to get in bed with
00:06:18.720 the Chinese government for no reason. But this post earned itself a community note. It hasn't
00:06:24.700 been approved yet. And the community notes immediately point out things like, Ma is not
00:06:30.240 being truthful. His own office issued a statement saying his questioning was intentional and
00:06:35.460 tactical to move the topic away from the anti-China EV witness to the pro-China EV witness.
00:06:42.060 So yeah, Michael Ma's own statements are now contradicting each other. Another community note that was proposed says, even after the exchange, Michael was reported to have told the same witness he didn't believe the reports of forced labor. This makes the above apology pure, not sincere, and performative in nature.
00:07:02.540 And by the way, as we saw yesterday, a CBC reporter chased him down outside of parliament to ask him if he believes there is forced labor in China, not specifically in the manufacture of EVs, just forced labor in China.
00:07:19.020 And he just said that, I believe there's forced labor all around the world.
00:07:23.080 And he would not actually specifically say that there's forced labor in China.
00:07:27.020 Now, I need to get to something that's really interesting, because Michael Ma is claiming that he had no intention of denying forced labor in China, but some of his own allied publications kind of give away the game.
00:07:42.080 This was posted by a friend of the channel, Nahon Azzam.
00:07:46.740 And he says, after Michael Ma made those disturbing comments at the committee and the CBC,
00:07:52.500 Michael Ma is now on a CPC propaganda site.
00:07:56.100 Who in the actual hell vetted Michael Ma to run for our party in Markham Unionville?
00:08:00.740 Seriously, we have to vet better people.
00:08:02.720 And he's, of course, talking about the Conservative Party needing to vet better people.
00:08:05.700 But the funny thing is it has now become the problem of Carney.
00:08:09.440 But that publication understood exactly what Michael Ma was doing.
00:08:15.280 This is a translated version of the website.
00:08:17.660 It's just using the general Google AI translate.
00:08:22.520 And the headline here reads,
00:08:24.620 A Canadian scholar hyped up the issue of forced labor,
00:08:28.220 prompting a Canadian MP to interrogate him.
00:08:30.820 Have you ever been to China? Have you really seen it?
00:08:34.300 So I just want to take you guys down here
00:08:37.080 to where they actually start covering what happened in the committee.
00:08:40.640 Because this pro-CCP publication very well understands what happened there.
00:08:47.320 So it reads, he pressed the other person relentlessly about whether they possessed an advanced degree in cybersecurity,
00:08:54.940 whether their institution had fabricated the China risk, and finally cut to the chase,
00:09:00.980 quote, have you ever witnessed forced labor? Have you ever been there? Or are you just relying on hearsay?
00:09:07.080 And it goes down here and the article continues and says, faced with repeated questioning, Margaret was clearly taken aback.
00:09:16.420 Quote, I have visited China many times since 1979, unquote.
00:09:19.940 Before he could finish speaking, Ma Rongjing interrupted him. 0.97
00:09:26.000 I think that the sometimes pronouns get a bit messed up here.
00:09:29.040 Ma Rongjing, I can't pronounce that properly, is apparently his actual full name, not Michael.
00:09:35.560 that's just the you know um english version of his name that he uses in canada and it says and
00:09:42.920 then it goes on just tell me just tell me simply have you seen any force labeler in shenzhen yes
00:09:49.000 or no sorry margaret looks helpless and troubled she frowned paused for a full four seconds and 0.52
00:09:54.760 then reluctantly answered i work closely with human rights watch and they have witnessed the
00:09:59.320 situation firsthand okay thank you uh ma concluded the questioning briskly clearly margaret was
00:10:05.640 subtly admitting that she had never witnessed so-called forced labor firsthand and it was
00:10:09.480 merely hearsay in a post-meeting interview with the canadian press margaret began to realize her
00:10:14.200 mistake and attempted to make excuses she complained that she was stunned by ma's questioning 0.96
00:10:19.320 accusing her of joking because no westerner can go to china and witness forced labor firsthand
00:10:24.760 they would never let you get so close in such close places.
00:10:28.420 Now, this publication is also taking the marching orders of like sort of the Ma narrative of saying that,
00:10:35.240 oh, he was just questioning her about forced labor involved in the direct in the direct manufacture of EVs.
00:10:41.740 But the publication, other than that slight rhetorical shift, is still basically trying to deny any forced laborers in China
00:10:50.480 And using the excuse, well, she's never seen it firsthand herself as an excuse basically for like an atrocity that's currently going on.
00:11:00.400 Here is a BBC reporting on the forced labor in Xinjiang province.
00:11:10.100 I can, you know, hopefully I'm pronouncing these at least somewhat right.
00:11:13.220 But this has been reported on.
00:11:15.980 The amount of forced labor in China is remarkable, especially involving Uyghur Muslims in the West. 1.00
00:11:22.900 It says there are credible allegations of torture and sexual abuse in detention camps.
00:11:28.700 Well, these camps are in the Xinjiang region.
00:11:31.440 China has given a response.
00:11:33.080 It says this new report is a farce planned by the UN and Western countries.
00:11:38.220 Well, here's our correspondent, Caroline Hawley.
00:11:41.380 These are just some of the Uyghur Muslims who've been locked up by China.
00:11:45.200 Leaked images shared earlier this year with the BBC.
00:11:49.000 A mass incarceration of a people collectively repressed in the name of Chinese security.
00:11:55.140 Human rights groups have warned for years of horrific abuses against the Uyghurs,
00:11:58.620 but now the long-awaited verdict of the UN speaks of forced medical treatment and sexual violence,
00:12:05.240 and it says the world must now pay urgent attention to what's happening in Xinjiang.
00:12:09.360 There is, it says, credible evidence of torture possibly amounting to crimes against humanity.
00:12:17.200 It really pierces this Chinese government facade that there is nothing to see in the Uyghur region.
00:12:23.260 Well, there is something to see.
00:12:24.740 So these are no longer allegations.
00:12:26.160 This is a confirmation of horrendous human rights abuses in the region at the moment.
00:12:31.080 Yeah, so they can't, Ma can't pretend that he wasn't doing what he was clearly doing.
00:12:37.100 The CCP publications agree with what he was doing of trying to basically use a fringe example to disprove the issue of forced labor in China.
00:12:45.940 Because when questioned about forced labor in general in China, he couldn't bring himself to actually say it exists.
00:12:51.960 Now, he basically claims he was just talking about two different provinces.
00:12:55.680 And so he wasn't talking about the one with the Uyghurs in it specifically.
00:12:59.060 But he doesn't actually say that there was forced labor in China.
00:13:02.400 He just clarifies he wasn't talking about that province.
00:13:04.600 very clearly there is something going on here but the thing is that the liberals probably just want
00:13:11.360 to sweep this under the rug without actually having to properly apologize because their
00:13:16.140 entire agenda still relies on them growing closer to china and here's the thing is that this is not
00:13:23.040 the only person inside the liberal party with deep ties with the ccp we also have the independent 0.99
00:13:30.260 sender yuen pa wu who has been an obvious ccp man in canada for a long time so i'm going to go 0.93
00:13:39.120 through a few things here uh this is from cbc watcher quoting from a bureau article from sam
00:13:45.000 cooper's people it says images show la king vice president of the international department of the
00:13:52.340 central committee of the communist party of china in a working meeting with kretzian and a former
00:13:57.180 and a formal photograph with Senator Wu,
00:14:01.380 flanked by Canadian and Chinese flags
00:14:03.180 accompanied by the Chinese ambassador to Canada
00:14:05.740 and the consul general from Toronto.
00:14:08.960 And Pa Wu, Wu Pa, has been an obvious agent for a long time. 0.85
00:14:14.100 He is literally pushing back against a foreign agent registry in Canada
00:14:18.920 because he believes that this is somehow like discriminatory
00:14:22.200 against Chinese Canadians,
00:14:23.400 just requiring people with obvious connections to the CCP, to the Chinese government,
00:14:28.980 to disclose them to different united front work department organizations.
00:14:33.080 Here is him in the Senate pushing back on this.
00:14:35.820 It is bad enough that foreign entities are sowing disinformation and interfering in our democracy. 0.67
00:14:41.960 What is worse is that Canadians, including parliamentarians, are aiding and abetting these harmful acts.
00:14:48.420 You might think that these folks would have to register with the Foreign Influence Transparency Registry,
00:14:54.600 but the registry appears to exclude non-state actors,
00:14:58.700 which to my mind are the biggest, most dangerous source of disinformation interference in Canada today.
00:15:06.560 Some of you will be inclined to take the Jamestown report at face value.
00:15:10.240 Let me be clear, if you have evidence that laws have been broken, report it to the authorities.
00:15:15.200 But if you suspect a Chinese Canadian organization is a malign foreign agent for the Chinese government simply because it celebrates Chinese culture, promotes trade and investment, has ties with Chinese organizations, or agrees with some of the positions of Beijing, you are promoting a modern form of Chinese exclusion.
00:15:35.260 oh my goodness so you're now in favor of the the chinese exclusion act from the from the 1910s
00:15:43.780 the 19 aughts if you think that obvious ccp front groups should have to be registered as such 0.91
00:15:50.260 like this man is a complete clown and he is like obviously a beijing man when you go through his 0.99
00:15:56.680 social media timeline and the entire thing is basically just trying to attack western allies 0.99
00:16:02.700 of canada attacking the united states attacking israel attacking anyone else who has a problem
00:16:08.780 with china it's it's quite a thing that this man is going to be in the senate until he turns 75
00:16:15.120 years old or whatever the cutoff is and we're not going to do anything about it but it's kind of the
00:16:20.520 pattern right now for the uh for the liberals the the thing is a lot of parties have problems with
00:16:26.760 certain bad actors infiltrating them uh calistanis try and get into pretty much all the parties all
00:16:32.340 those basically Sikh separatists who want basically Canada to take a very oppositional
00:16:37.740 type of relationship or stance against India. And you get a lot of the CCP, though,
00:16:43.920 within the liberals. It's not nearly as big a problem in the conservatives, although
00:16:48.120 the fact that they ever let Michael Ma run for them is a massive red flag, and that does need
00:16:53.060 to be corrected. But like, goodness, it's so obvious. It's ridiculous. In fact, actually,
00:16:59.820 the person who's been suing me since December of 2021 is linked to many of these CCP front
00:17:07.980 groups, these different United Front Work Department front groups, literally is sitting
00:17:12.100 on the board of anti-Taiwanese independence groups. Like, my goodness. And this stuff gets
00:17:18.220 to operate freely. The guy's a developer and he gets to have all these connections. It's just
00:17:22.700 insane that this is allowed to go on in this country. And like, we just pretend like it's
00:17:27.260 no big deal. Watch the media try and sweep this under the rug. Now, the media is not so duplicitous
00:17:33.380 that they'll just immediately pretend it's a nothing burger. It's just in a week or two,
00:17:37.520 they're not going to keep questioning the fact that Michael Ma is obviously a CCP puppet sitting
00:17:42.980 in the liberal government. They're going to let them off the hook. He's going to make his apology,
00:17:46.600 and then it's going to be considered old news, despite the fact that this man is a massive
00:17:50.920 of security risk. I dare the liberals to try and slag Pierre Polyev again for not getting his
00:17:57.840 security clearance, which in fact basically made it impossible to actually speak out against foreign
00:18:03.920 interference, because if you get your security clearance, you're under such a heavy NDA that you
00:18:08.540 can't actually talk about foreign interference at all. Anyways, with that all being said, thank you
00:18:14.760 guys for watching. Make sure to like the video, subscribe, leave a comment, and I will see you
00:18:20.100 all next time.