The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Liberal MPs move to restrain Mark Carney's power! (Internal FIGHT)

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. In an unexpected yet welcome development in Canadian politics,

00:00:06.960 it looks like there are people inside the Liberal Party caucus who have finally learned that

00:00:12.460 unrestrained power is in fact a bad thing. So Justin Trudeau was able to, for almost 10 years,

00:00:20.520 do absolutely anything he wanted as Prime Minister and Leader of the Liberal Party.

00:00:25.560 And it's because the Liberals had never implemented the Reform Act that Michael Chong,

00:00:30.760 a still current Conservative MP, had created back in 2014 and was passed in 2015. Basically,

00:00:37.620 what the Reform Act is, is something that parties can voluntarily sign on to at the start of a

00:00:43.140 parliamentary session, and they can use the powers to restrain what the leader can do. So previously,

00:00:49.720 leaders could just kick people out of caucus whenever they wanted, they could deny the ability

00:00:55.080 to have a leadership review, and there was really nothing that caucus could do. That's where the

00:01:00.220 Liberal Party found themselves stuck over the past 10 years, because they weren't using the Reform Act.

00:01:05.300 The Reform Act is passed within caucus at their first caucus meeting, where basically the leader

00:01:10.580 and caucus agree that there are going to be certain rules of engagement and certain ways that caucus

00:01:15.620 can curb the power of the Prime Minister. Now, we're going to talk a little bit more about how

00:01:21.420 this might actually end up playing out in the Liberal Party, because Mark Carney is not happy

00:01:26.200 with this. He wants the unrestrained power that Justin Trudeau had, and he is chafing at the idea

00:01:31.440 that his caucus may be able to vote for leadership reviews, or if the majority of them want him out,

00:01:37.220 that he is forced out as the Liberal leader, and they can choose somebody else or hold their leadership

00:01:41.760 race, or even that they can expel caucus members by a majority vote, rather than the leader just saying,

00:01:47.720 you're out, they actually must get a vote from the entire caucus. You can already tell why Mark Carney

00:01:54.660 probably doesn't like this, because the people leading this are the people he kind of screwed over

00:01:59.120 when it came to his new cabinet picks. Nate Erskine-Smith is one of the main people pushing

00:02:05.200 for the Reform Act to be implemented. The man who agreed to run again for the Liberals, if they allowed

00:02:11.500 him to become Housing Minister, Mark Carney let him be Housing Minister, but after the election,

00:02:16.400 he shuffled the cabinet, and Nate Erskine-Smith is out, having been Housing Minister, I believe,

00:02:21.880 for like a month. Absolutely pathetic. But I was reading an article earlier from the Toronto Star, 0.98

00:02:27.920 which I will be linking in the description below and pinned to the top of the comments,

00:02:32.120 that were going over how there was like about a dozen Liberal MPs who were willing to talk to the

00:02:37.180 Toronto Star saying, yes, we want the Reform Act, we have to get through the era of the leader doing

00:02:42.000 absolutely anything they want. And this is a good development. I do not like the Liberal Party.

00:02:47.600 I will never vote for them, at least until they just basically become conservatives. If they ever

00:02:52.220 choose to do that, I doubt it. But this is at least a good development, that parties are actually

00:02:56.860 embracing democracy, that when Justin Trudeau is absolutely destroying the country, there is a

00:03:02.680 function within caucus for the rational members to use to call for a leadership review. The Reform Act

00:03:08.680 basically makes it that, yes, while a majority of sitting MPs can oust the leader, 20% of them can

00:03:15.300 vote that a leadership review must be undertaken where all the members get to vote whether the

00:03:21.700 person stays or goes, and they at least need a majority of the membership to stay.

00:03:27.400 So this is all very good. This is from a Yahoo News article. I will also be linking this in the

00:03:32.800 description below. But it says, Ottawa, Prime Minister Mark Carney didn't have much to say about

00:03:38.460 his MPs looking at adopting legislation that would allow them to trigger a leadership review.

00:03:43.540 Speaking to reporters at West Block Wednesday evening, Prime Minister Mark Carney shrugged off

00:03:47.660 questions about his MPs adopting the Reform Act legislation tabled by Conservative MP Michael

00:03:52.740 Chong in 2015 that would easily allow caucus members a variety of powers, including a leadership

00:03:58.840 review of the party. Now, I want to cut over to what he actually said, because you can kind of tell

00:04:04.400 that Mark Carney isn't super comfortable with this. Again, I think he signed up to be Prime Minister

00:04:09.240 to get the sort of powers that Prime Minister Trudeau had. He doesn't want to have to contend with

00:04:15.640 actually needing to maintain confidence with his caucus. He wants to be like Justin Trudeau, and he can

00:04:20.740 just willy-nilly kick people out and just dare people to all quit the party, because that would be

00:04:25.240 really the only way that you can get rid of him, is either quitting the party and sitting as an

00:04:29.580 independent, or voting no confidence, in which you may be finished as a Liberal MP if you try and do

00:04:35.200 that. This internal mechanism allows you to, in a softer way, challenge the leader, where Mark Carney wants

00:04:41.560 it to be that, well, you better stand up and let me slit your throat if you actually want to take me on. He 1.00

00:04:45.940 doesn't want it to be internal closed-door meetings where people can say, well, you have to, you know, you

00:04:51.260 actually have to undergo a leadership review. You've been doing some pretty radical things that

00:04:54.540 membership doesn't like. But here's Mark Carney reacting to it.

00:04:57.620 In Catherine Levesque, National Post, I wanted to get your opinion on the Reform Act. You might have seen,

00:05:04.960 but a few of your MPs say it's nothing against you, but they want to have the power to trigger a leadership

00:05:09.500 review if things go south, maybe in a couple of years.

00:05:13.200 Again, I don't want to, like, be the body language expert here. I did that in a previous video with David Eby

00:05:18.660 where he looked really uncomfortable. But even then, when they brought up, when she mentioned

00:05:23.800 the words, it's nothing against you, quoting the anonymous MP saying, it's nothing against you.

00:05:29.920 We just want a mechanism to be able to, you know, remove a leader if you start doing things we

00:05:34.620 dislike. They're not even saying he's doing anything they dislike right now. They're saying in case you

00:05:38.220 do anything that we think is egregious, we want the ability to remove you. Just look at the instant

00:05:43.000 reaction. Like, I feel like this is a tell that he's really ticked off with the conversations that

00:05:48.960 have been happening in the background. They want to have the power to trigger a leadership.

00:05:52.800 Like, yeah, like, look at that again. I'll go back a little bit further.

00:05:55.160 You might have seen, but a few of your MPs say it's nothing against you, but they want to have

00:05:59.500 the power to trigger a leader. That tells me, again, I don't want to go too much into body language

00:06:05.140 type stuff, but that felt like to me, the National Post reporter says they say it's nothing against you,

00:06:10.540 and he kind of has that instant reaction of, sure, it's nothing against me, because he knows

00:06:14.760 Nate Erickson, Erickson Smith, and some of these other people really have it out for him, because

00:06:18.740 he's already screwed them over. They might not come at him now, but if he starts messing up, I think

00:06:23.360 they feel no loyalty to him, and they've even been saying the guy kind of just swept in here, became

00:06:29.260 leader within like a month, and then became prime minister for a full four-year term, or it could end up

00:06:34.840 being four years if the government doesn't collapse, and that we maybe want a little bit of a

00:06:40.180 veto power over stuff you do, and he does not look like that's, you know, that's something that

00:06:45.420 he's interested in in any way, just with the very tight robotic looks he's having during the presser.

00:06:52.180 If things go south, maybe in a couple of years, are you comfortable with this idea?

00:06:56.660 Is that a prediction? Catherine, I mean, what do you have a little confidence?

00:06:59.980 Are you comfortable with that idea so early in your mandate?

00:07:02.280 Well, I'll say the following, which is that, you know, the Reform Act, all parties in Parliament,

00:07:09.440 all recognized parties in Parliament are bound by the Reform Act. It's the law of the land.

00:07:15.000 That's the problem. It's not, it really isn't. The problem in Canada is that parties are run like

00:07:20.000 private clubs. You can do whatever. I, again, ran for the Conservative Party federal nomination for the

00:07:25.400 riding of Calgary Signal Hill. There were certain people in the party who didn't want me to win,

00:07:29.840 and then although I had the most memberships, they can just kick me out and just say, well,

00:07:34.000 Wyatt, we had some issues with him, and they'll never explain themselves because they didn't have

00:07:37.940 issues with me. They just want me out. The thing is, because parties are run like private clubs,

00:07:42.020 the Reform Act exists, but it's a voluntary thing. Caucus has to vote for the Reform Act to be

00:07:48.500 implemented. Just recently, Pierre Polyev and his caucus, both basically, they all unanimously agreed,

00:07:55.000 let's use the Reform Act like we've been using in the past because it's a good

00:07:58.660 accountability measure. The caucus must vote that they are going to recognize the Reform Act

00:08:03.940 because there's nothing in law that says that they're actually bound by it. It's more of just

00:08:08.200 guiding principles if you agree to it. If you vote to implement it, it must be implemented.

00:08:14.480 Like the leader can't just take, takes these backs. He's on, yeah, I said we are going to use

00:08:18.340 the Reform Act, but now that you actually are trying to use it, no, not anymore. So that's where he's

00:08:23.300 completely wrong. Oh, we all recognize it. You recognize it, but you don't use it. That's,

00:08:28.040 that's why Trudeau in December couldn't be ousted by the, the MPs and he had to decide to leave on his

00:08:34.240 own. And, and therefore there are these four votes consistent with the Reform Act that will take

00:08:41.620 place. They'll take place at the, at the first caucus meeting, which is Sunday. So it's not,

00:08:50.160 it's just, well, I, I observed that this will happen. There'll be these votes.

00:08:57.480 He's not saying whether he's yes or no on them. And let's be clear, a strong leader who thinks he's

00:09:02.700 going to actually be able to please his caucus, who's going to do things that don't put them in a

00:09:08.500 tight position when it comes to their reelections or things that the liberal membership is going to

00:09:12.720 like, because what you had to understand about the liberal membership is that although they are

00:09:17.300 more collectivist, although they believe in more left-wing things generally as members,

00:09:21.800 the thing is that at the end of the day, the membership is still expecting, you know,

00:09:24.780 inflation to go down and in prices, you know, stabilize, wages to go up, taxes to go down. And

00:09:31.220 if Carney starts failing on this, if crime gets out of control, if the drug crisis gets out of

00:09:35.820 control, if the housing market crashes, they're also potentially going to want Carney gone. And

00:09:41.420 he doesn't want it to be as easy as the Reform Act makes it, that they can immediately call for a

00:09:46.020 leadership review that takes place a few months later, or they can oust him if there's truly that

00:09:50.300 much dislike of him in caucus. Again, if he actually knew that if he was confident in himself that he's

00:09:56.880 not going to run into speed bumps, he would have endorsed it. He would have said, absolutely. And I

00:10:01.680 guarantee it's not really, it's never going to have to be used. That would be an actual strong

00:10:05.780 leader's position. Polly have allowed for it to happen. And in fact, it's good because there are

00:10:10.640 abilities for MPs to say, well, we didn't like how the last election was run. So we do need changes

00:10:17.640 made in Conservative Party HQ, or we're going to have to allow for a leadership review. That's actually

00:10:22.620 something going on right now. In fact, it's all in a dispute about the person who ended up getting

00:10:27.900 me kicked out of Signal Hill. It's not technically her, but everyone kind of knows it's her because

00:10:33.260 she has hands on everything that happens in this kind of area of life. But like Jenny Byrne was the 1.00

00:10:38.360 one who got me kicked out of my nomination and other people. And a lot of Conservative MPs rightfully

00:10:44.580 think that she should move on, she should stop being the national campaign director or whatever

00:10:49.020 position she's in, because she's frankly not very good at this. She lost in 2015 for Harper against

00:10:53.620 Trudeau. And now she's lost in 2025, when the win was easy. We could have won. Let's be very clear,

00:10:59.840 the Conservative Party could have won. It's not just, oh, well, boomers were too concerned about

00:11:04.340 Trump. And that's why we lost. You can always blame people for voting the wrong way, quote, unquote.

00:11:09.900 But if you don't make a good enough case, you're going to lose those voters. And I think what happened

00:11:13.780 with the Conservative Party in the 2025 election is we made really good place for working class Canadians,

00:11:20.180 for minority Canadians, especially Asian Canadians who are very concerned about drugs and crime in

00:11:24.460 their communities. We did a really good play for people in the Maritimes for fishing, but we didn't

00:11:29.760 have a vision for middle class, upper middle class, frankly, white retired voters. They weren't offered

00:11:37.560 anything. They weren't really offered higher income bracket tax cuts. They weren't really offered a vision

00:11:43.520 about how the Conservatives are going to fight back against the Americans by cutting our corporate taxes

00:11:47.680 and getting rid of all these Liberal policies. We kind of just ran on change, and those people

00:11:52.200 didn't care about change. They were voting out of anxiety. And we didn't need to become the anti-Trump

00:11:57.480 Party, because I don't think that would have worked either, because, you know, the Liberals and the NDP

00:12:02.120 were already doing it. I don't think it helps the Conservatives to start doing the same thing.

00:12:05.580 We could have taken it from the perspective that, yeah, Trump is potentially threatening our economy

00:12:10.720 here. And if you're going to blame someone, blame the Liberals for making us so vulnerable.

00:12:14.520 But they only ever ended up making that argument like a month before the election.

00:12:19.060 They really didn't, like, the ads they were running were just not very good. But getting back to my

00:12:24.180 point, the Reform Act allows the Conservatives to basically say, unless Kalev's going to start

00:12:29.240 cleaning house of these people who are just frankly not very good at their jobs, well, he might have to

00:12:34.640 go or we might have to check his powers if it feels like we might run into another election with the

00:12:40.320 same broken tools, with the same bad advisors. We need to go into it with people who respect the

00:12:45.760 grassroots and let our local campaigns run themselves rather than micromanaging them.

00:12:50.280 Because we've had 2015 and 2025 that were keystone elections. Improving that micromanagement does not

00:12:57.500 work. You've got to let your grassroots campaigns act like grassroots campaigns. Show up to events,

00:13:03.240 show up to debates, be able to put together their own literature based on what they're hearing at the

00:13:07.380 doors rather than people running around with acts of the tax literature after a month after a month

00:13:12.200 after Carney got rid of its carbon tax. Is he probably going to bring it back? Maybe potentially

00:13:16.540 he's already increased the industrial carbon tax to compensate for the consumer one going away.

00:13:20.540 But it was silly to run against the carbon tax when most Canadians were confused whether it was still

00:13:25.780 there or not. And it was too much of a slog of a debate to really convince people, no, you had to

00:13:30.320 vote for us. So we really get rid of it. Because to most people who aren't already voting for us,

00:13:34.840 they think it's gone. And that's the problem. It's too dumb of a debate to have. But yeah,

00:13:39.980 right here, I am very happy to see that the liberals are actually going after Carney on this.

00:13:44.980 Again, read that Toronto Star article. It's actually very interesting. I don't usually like

00:13:48.520 the Toronto Star, but this is kind of like inside the Beltway type political coverage. That's very

00:13:53.440 interesting. Where all these anonymous liberals plus a couple of ones that will allow themselves to be 0.95

00:13:59.200 named are basically just saying, look, yeah, we're not really sure if Mark Carney's going to be

00:14:03.300 the guy he said he was. So we want to be able to have a veto to kick him out if he starts acting

00:14:08.520 up. And Carney, in this video, you can tell with his very tight-lipped reactions, he's not very

00:14:16.820 happy about it. Again, I go back to the reporter from the National Post saying, it's nothing against

00:14:22.760 you. And he's like, he starts making noises like, that's likely. Hilarious. But let's see how this

00:14:30.620 develops. Let's see how things develop in the Conservative Party as well. Because if they're

00:14:33.860 going to win the next election, got to have better people around. Polioff's a great leader. He's a

00:14:39.440 really good leader. I think he was getting bad advice, though, because it's like a good army

00:14:45.240 led by the wrong general. And Polioff's not the general. He's like the state leader. But your

00:14:52.820 generals are like your advisors, your campaign managers. If the generals suck, it doesn't matter 0.99

00:14:57.000 how much artillery and how much cavalry and whatnot that you have and how well-trained your ground 0.98

00:15:02.020 troops are. They're just not going to be able to win the day and take the bridge and whatnot

00:15:06.140 if we literally are not going in the right direction. If we're playing too defensive a game,

00:15:11.200 how are we ever going to capture territory when all we're doing is defending our boundaries,

00:15:14.840 which is what I felt about the 2025 election? We were behind, but so often we were defensive.

00:15:20.640 That's where I don't understand where the Conservative Party will run away from being pro-life.

00:15:25.200 Most of their MPs are pro-life. Let them be pro-life. Guess what? Their voters in the

00:15:30.120 nominations liked that they're pro-life, and that's why they're there. You know what? Most

00:15:33.980 people in the general public generally don't like the idea that the Liberals voted against

00:15:37.920 increasing criminal sentencing for people who murder pregnant women. That's something they did

00:15:42.380 because they're complete goblins. Let their pro-life MPs go on church tours talking about the fact that 0.59

00:15:48.040 that happened, and they're going to implement that law that the Liberals shut down, and they're going to

00:15:52.880 ban sex-selective abortion, and these other things where 90% of Canadians are incensed to think that

00:15:59.460 those are legal. Anyway, so turning into a bit of a rant here at the end. Hopefully you guys didn't

00:16:05.400 mind this video. I will be back later talking about other stuff. I actually like this kind of like

00:16:10.640 news that's coming out right now. The news cycle with all that inside baseball stuff is kind of

00:16:14.860 interesting. I'm also going to implement the article where Conservative MPs are kind of putting

00:16:19.840 pressure on Polly out to ditch Jenny Burr, and I think that's an interesting development. But

00:16:24.260 anyways, until next time, guys, make sure to like the video, subscribe to the channel,

00:16:28.020 leave a comment, and I'll see you guys later.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - May 22, 2025

Liberal MPs move to restrain Mark Carney's power! (Internal FIGHT)

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