00:02:17.400On top of the fact that there's also been some kind of disgruntlement about Gregor Robertson's delivery as housing minister, you have to start to wonder, does Mark Carney need to find a new sort of lieutenant for British Columbia who can actually convince Evie and the province and his caucus that this is going to work out, never mind the problems you have in Quebec, where there's also a number of MPs who are, apart from Guibault, who are unhappy about this.
00:02:41.160So this is a difficult political question, and Mark Carney does not love solving difficult political questions, at least for his own caucus.
00:02:48.320I think this whole issue is exposing the crushing arrogance in Mark Carney's personality.
00:02:56.460Now, I don't think Mark Carney actually wants to build a pipeline.
00:03:00.440He is acting like he's Mr. Pipeline, and he's going to keep saying yes to pipelines, but he's never actually going to go through all the hoops that will make sure the pipeline gets built.
00:10:03.780I might be the prime minister, but for some reason, David Eby needs to approve everything I do.
00:10:08.160And so I'd love to do it, but we can't do it.
00:10:11.880But let's get into this segment with Dominic LeBlanc.
00:10:14.260I spoke to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Dominic LeBlanc, about the political implications of the deal and what comes next.
00:10:22.200I keep calling him Trade Minister to the U.S. I believe that's his special role, that he's like the lead on U.S. trade, but he's also, I guess, Intergovernmental Affairs Minister, which in a certain sense means he's Minister of Everything a little bit.
00:10:34.340Minister LeBlanc, nice to see you again.
00:12:17.020One of the challenges, Rosemary, is that a number of the measures that were in place
00:12:22.440weren't actually achieving the results.
00:12:24.680So there was sort of a disconnect between a target and a plan that was not yielding the results.
00:12:32.220If Alberta was nowhere on track to achieving the level of ambition that had been set previously, then if this agreement is, as we think, effective and has the full participation of the government of Alberta and the Alberta industry, it's going to be much more effective at achieving those goals.
00:12:52.820So how could it achieve the goals if we're actually going to expand our oil and gas production by building pipelines to the West Coast to ship more out?
00:13:03.020Now, what I think people like Dominic LeBlanc and, of course, Prime Minister Mark Carney are up to here is that what they want to do is get Alberta saddled with the higher industrial carbon tax rate of $130, $140 a ton by 2040.
00:13:19.320Now, I know that Daniel Smith has said, well, this is better because we're no longer trying to hit 170 by 2030 or 140 by 2030.
00:13:27.160Okay, yeah, we've saved a decade, I guess.
00:13:29.340We've saved a few years, but we shouldn't be having the industrial carbon tax go up at all.
00:13:33.600In fact, we should have the industrial carbon tax go down, if not be eliminated.
00:13:38.140But Dominic LeBlanc is happy because at least they've gotten something across the plate at Daniel Smith.
00:13:43.680They've thrown the ball, and they got it across the plate with Danielle Smith because they've
00:13:49.340gotten her to embrace the Pathways Project, and they've gotten her to embrace the higher
00:14:12.640keep promising things in the future to force Alberta to do things in the present without
00:14:16.960ever actually getting to that future goal. I think we have to acknowledge that this is for us a very
00:14:23.100important step at putting in place a series of measures, not just around an industrial price for
00:14:30.180carbon, but a series of measures that will advance significantly our ability to lead the fight
00:14:36.640against climate change. Okay, let me ask some of the things around what may get Canada to another
00:14:42.140pipeline or Alberta to another pipeline. The pathways project, the pipeline is still, from what
00:14:47.800I understand, contingent on pathways, but I'm not clear on whether it has to happen at the same time
00:14:54.360as the pipeline, whether it has to start with the pipeline. Can you give me a sense of how that has
00:14:59.360to unfold? So you're right. It is contingent. These two projects, if ultimately they go ahead,
00:15:07.320would go ahead together. So the idea that the government would consider the approval of a
00:15:14.500potential pipeline without a clear line of sight on the carbon capture and storage pathways project
00:15:22.100also going into place is self-evident. We've been clear about that from the beginning.
00:15:27.020Do you see what he just said there? The consideration of a pipeline is contingent
00:15:31.740on pathways investment uh consider the approach um so the the idea that the government would
00:15:39.340uh consider the approval of a potential pipeline um without consider did you hear that consider
00:15:47.100the approval of a potential pipeline i think there are three hedges in there consider the approval
00:15:55.580of a potential pipeline without pathways investment a clear line of sight um so the
00:16:03.420the idea that the government would uh consider the approval of a potential pipeline um without
00:16:10.620a clear line of sight on the carbon capture and storage pathways project also going into place
00:16:17.020um is self-evident we've been clear about that from the beginning um we're confident now as is
00:16:22.220is the government of Alberta that the Pathways Alliance, the group of energy producers in Alberta
00:16:28.880are able to to advance in a very significant way quickly that project that has been on the
00:16:36.340shelf for a long time. It will have a it will have a massive reduction in terms of of emissions once
00:16:43.580the Pathways project is in place so we expect the two projects to go together. There is still
00:16:50.380But he's describing, he's somewhat describing that it's going to come into place if the pipeline gets approved. But he's also, his other language is that we would consider potentially approving or, you know, consider approving a potential pipeline when Pathways is in place.
00:17:07.160like his language makes it sound like for the consideration to start pathways has to be there
00:17:12.840at the same time he's kind of implying that they're going to go together he says they're
00:17:16.260going to go together but his more the longer description sounds like well to get to the
00:17:21.280consideration stage pathways need to be there so this thing that could cost 18 billion dollars to
00:17:27.300the industry is contingent on them considering a pipeline which means the whole thing is basically
00:17:33.820a fraud and that's what also that's what is that the entire thing is a complete farce carney wanted
00:17:39.660to be mr pipeline pretending he wanted to build something and then eb the first nations and those
00:17:44.060ministers are shooting it down and when you actually hear the plan it's like oh this seems
00:17:48.220like just an entrapment scheme against alberta we'll consider building a potential pipeline
00:17:55.100if you do pathways if you raise your industrial carbon tax rate if you do all this other
00:17:58.940environmentalist nonsense and then we'll just kick the can down the road another year and maybe by
00:18:04.380this time danielle smith is too in deep and she has to say well okay they just said another six
00:18:09.660months okay they just said another six months they just said another two years and it's like it's not
00:18:13.900gonna happen it's not and my fear is that danielle smith although it's blowing itself up anyways
00:18:19.740daniel smith lent her credibility to mark carney who has not earned the credibility she has not
00:18:25.820earned her tacit endorsement of his energy plan. He has to get shovels in the ground, then endorse
00:18:31.980it. Then say, I'll maybe increase the industrial carbon tax. Now, I don't think we should have it.
00:18:37.760If you're in a situation where the liberals are forcing you to have it, but they will build the
00:18:40.800pipeline, maybe. But I would say the industrial carbon tax comes in once the pipeline's flowing.
00:18:46.720Once we're actually selling things through that pipeline, okay, higher industrial carbon tax,
00:18:50.440maybe industry will eat that cost in order to be able to produce more. Fair enough.
00:18:54.340But we're going to implement without having actually gotten anything in our hands. It is the classic, a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush or whatever it is. Why are we accepting the idea that there are a few birds in that bush over there that we could have, and all we have to do is start putting down billions of dollars for Mark Carney's environmentalist initiatives, the guy who said that we shouldn't be building pipelines when he was Justin Trudeau's
00:19:24.340economics minister, I don't think Carney changes his mind on anything, frankly. I don't think that
00:19:31.400he's ever going to change his mind about pipelines. I think that he is just somebody who considers
00:19:35.560himself a smooth talker and can kind of get whatever he wants by phrasing things diplomatically
00:19:40.780enough. Anyways, with all that being said, thank you guys for watching. Hopefully you enjoyed the
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00:19:53.520Because if this hotel has really nice Wi-Fi, I might have to set up shop here whenever I come to Victoria.
00:19:59.760Because the problem with downtown Victoria is like all the hotels are like, well, you know, you're going to put up with bad Wi-Fi and other bad things because you're in downtown Victoria.
00:20:08.440And what do you want to do? Stay outside of town 20 minutes?