The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Liberal MPs turning on Carney over Fake Pipeline Agreement!

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.

00:00:06.340 Prime Minister Mark Carney just got knifed in the back by one of his own liberal ministers

00:00:11.220 leaking to the press, and I don't think enough people are going to notice the story

00:00:16.100 or see the significance of it in regards to Mark Carney's fake pipeline deal

00:00:21.280 and the overall health of his own government.

00:00:24.920 In just a second, I want to take you into the CBC segment,

00:00:27.960 where it's revealed that Gregor Robertson is against the pipeline agreement that Carney

00:00:33.060 signed with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith. And then I also want to get into another Rosemary

00:00:38.140 Barton segment where she questions Dominic LeBlanc on how feasible this pipeline actually is

00:00:45.400 considering the liberals are still committed to all of their environmentalist targets.

00:00:51.220 But before we get into it, I just want to remind you guys, if you like the show,

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00:01:04.840 video quality is a little bit bad for the next, you know, 12 days or so. I'm back in Victoria,

00:01:10.320 but I do believe I'm in a hotel with more stable Wi-Fi. Pray for my Wi-Fi people.

00:01:15.880 So let's get into this Rosemary Barton segment where the man on the right, Justin Ling, who works

00:01:21.400 for the Canadian press and the CBC reveals that Gregor Robertson has been leaking the fact that

00:01:27.680 he absolutely opposes Carney's pipeline agreement. Check this out. Here's what's interesting. So I

00:01:33.480 was talking to a caucus source last night. You know, there is a clear need for the Liberals

00:01:38.860 to have a champion in BC who can come out and actually make the case for this pipeline

00:01:43.340 and some of the climate deals around it. You would think that would be Gregor Robertson,

00:01:48.040 kind of their biggest high-profile MP cabinet minister out on the West Coast.

00:01:52.300 I'm told that Gregor Robinson joined a caucus call this week,

00:01:55.100 basically made clear he was extremely unhappy with the final deal with Danielle Smith,

00:02:00.020 and basically said, don't call me tomorrow, I'm not going to be available.

00:02:03.280 So, and he was notoriously missing from a big LNG announcement on the West Coast as well.

00:02:07.880 So, you don't actually have a big champion right now.

00:02:11.440 Carney does not have a lieutenant in BC who's selling this deal.

00:02:15.960 I think that's very telling.

00:02:17.400 On top of the fact that there's also been some kind of disgruntlement about Gregor Robertson's delivery as housing minister, you have to start to wonder, does Mark Carney need to find a new sort of lieutenant for British Columbia who can actually convince Evie and the province and his caucus that this is going to work out, never mind the problems you have in Quebec, where there's also a number of MPs who are, apart from Guibault, who are unhappy about this.

00:02:41.160 So this is a difficult political question, and Mark Carney does not love solving difficult political questions, at least for his own caucus.

00:02:48.320 I think this whole issue is exposing the crushing arrogance in Mark Carney's personality.

00:02:56.460 Now, I don't think Mark Carney actually wants to build a pipeline.

00:03:00.440 He is acting like he's Mr. Pipeline, and he's going to keep saying yes to pipelines, but he's never actually going to go through all the hoops that will make sure the pipeline gets built.

00:03:09.440 He could sign something.

00:03:10.640 Pure Polly and the Conservatives are completely right about this aspect.

00:03:13.980 He could sign something today.

00:03:15.660 Just saying, here is a prime ministerial permit to build a pipeline.

00:03:20.160 No, you don't have to consult with First Nations.

00:03:21.920 No, you don't have to consult with the province of BC.

00:03:24.400 Alberta, if you want to export your oil, we're not going to get in your way.

00:03:27.660 Go for it.

00:03:28.440 They could get rid of all the regulations. 1.00

00:03:29.900 They could get rid of all the stupid taxes in place. 0.98

00:03:32.000 In fact, the agreement that Danielle Smith signed, and I like Danielle Smith, but in a certain sense, 1.00

00:03:37.100 I think she could have gotten more out of this agreement because she's already saddling 0.99

00:03:40.040 the industry in Alberta with a higher per ton industrial carbon tax in exchange for promises 1.00

00:03:47.620 about a pipeline that I don't think will ever get fulfilled. But what Carney did here is he

00:03:52.020 didn't inform anyone that he was doing this. Gregor Robertson probably didn't know and he's

00:03:58.040 ticked off because probably they wonder if he's actually going to build a pipeline and all these

00:04:02.960 people oppose it. Jonathan Wilkinson, who's been a veteran liberal MP, he's been around from 2011

00:04:08.940 or 2015, I believe 2015, I think is the date. He is resigning now. And he just let the cat out of

00:04:14.900 the bag. And one of his career ending or whatever interviews, that may sound like the interview

00:04:22.600 blew him up, but one of his exit interviews with the media on resigning his seat to go do other

00:04:27.520 things. I think he's going to be our ambassador to the EU or something like that. He said that

00:04:31.280 he doesn't believe that Carney's actually going to build a pipeline. Wilkinson opposes it. And he

00:04:35.440 says, I think that Carney's going to do the right thing. And he's going to, you know, stick to the

00:04:39.660 environmental agenda that we set out with back in, you know, the Trudeau era. And so Carney has not

00:04:47.060 only some of his outgoing MPs opposing the pipeline and saying they don't actually think Carney's

00:04:52.520 serious about it, already blowing up his Mr. Pipeline image. He has Gregor Robertson ticked

00:04:57.300 off at the deal. And he had all Coastal First Nations come out and oppose it. Other First

00:05:02.380 Nations bands came out and opposed it. Now, you could say, hey, Wyatt, Coastal First Nations

00:05:07.260 isn't real. I know that. You know that. But Carney seems to think they're legitimate because

00:05:12.700 he met with them. And day two of his pipeline, the next day after he signed the agreement

00:05:18.320 with Daniel Smith, Coastal First Nations and other First Nations came out and say,

00:05:21.840 we oppose it. Absolutely no negotiations. We don't care. Absolutely oppose. And day one,

00:05:27.300 The second, the ink wasn't even dry yet on the agreement.

00:05:31.440 And already David Eby, the premier of British Columbia, came out and he attacked Danielle

00:05:36.260 Smith in Alberta, saying that they're getting too much attention and she's threatening to

00:05:40.060 leave the country.

00:05:41.840 She's threatening to separate.

00:05:43.420 It's like, OK, well, this is really great, Mark.

00:05:46.440 Mark, again, was hoping to keep the ruse up until he was getting close to that deadline

00:05:51.680 in 2027 when he'd actually have to approve the pipeline and give it a permit to start

00:05:56.420 construction.

00:05:57.300 He kicked the can down the road, hoping that maybe he could kick the can further down the

00:06:01.260 road once he was coming up on that date, because a lot of the liberal base doesn't really care

00:06:05.700 about building pipelines.

00:06:06.840 They have so many people disconnected from reality who vote for them in Quebec and in

00:06:11.400 the West Coast and in some of the Maritimes, where they're absolutely fine never building

00:06:15.480 a pipeline, fueling great environmentalists.

00:06:17.580 At the same time, they want the oil and gas industry to keep paying for their pensions.

00:06:22.260 But Carney has not done good work trying to make it seem like this thing has any chance

00:06:27.300 of actually getting built because he was the one who said a prerequisite to getting this pipeline

00:06:33.700 built was buying from the provinces presuming the provinces the pipeline runs through and first

00:06:39.620 nations buy-in and consultation well those two things are not on the table for this pipeline

00:06:46.420 plan and like it was a pretty weak plan where they might only try and build it to burnaby like

00:06:52.180 to the port in burnaby which is kind of just like a weak thing like we're just going to slightly

00:06:56.980 expand the current set of pipelines going to the port in Burnaby, which means that they actually

00:07:02.280 have to, I believe, dig the port of Burnaby deeper so they can even get the tankers in

00:07:06.620 to take on this load of oil and gas. And it's just not as efficient as just building something up to

00:07:11.820 Prince Rupert and having two different ports operating at the same time. But again, BC opposes

00:07:18.400 it because Premier David Eby doesn't like it. The First Nations that Mark Carney has given the stamp 0.88

00:07:23.460 of approval to. They don't like it. And now his own caucus seems to not like it. So what are we

00:07:30.380 doing here, Mark? But again, Mark is massively arrogant. He assumed that he was just going to 0.98

00:07:35.260 be able to do this grift without telling anybody and everyone was going to fall in line. He almost

00:07:40.700 did too good of a job of pretending he wanted to do the pipeline because EB, the First Nations,

00:07:46.120 and the members of his own caucus immediately hit the bug lights and shot down the entire project

00:07:51.680 on day three. Actually, in fact, it was shot down on day zero because E.B. attacked it within hours

00:07:57.400 of the agreement being signed. Then coastal First Nations attacked. Then other First Nations

00:08:01.300 attacked. The environmental groups attacked. Now his own caucus is attacking it. Fantastic work,

00:08:07.120 Mark. But now let's get into this other interview segment with Rosemary Barton,

00:08:11.740 where she's interviewing our trade minister to the United States, Dominic LeBlanc, on whether

00:08:17.960 or not this is going to affect the Liberals' climate commitments. And his answers here are

00:08:23.800 like diplomatic in a way where you understand that he doesn't believe in the pipeline. Check

00:08:30.460 this out. We're building trust of investors, that Alberta and Canada are reliable and attractive

00:08:36.380 destinations where opportunities are plentiful. The deal faces pushback from environmentalists

00:08:42.680 and some First Nations groups. British Columbia's Premier also still not on board with this idea,

00:08:47.580 and Alberta still doesn't have a private sector proponent willing to fund the pipeline,

00:08:52.220 though many in the energy industry and the Premier herself are confident that will happen. 0.97

00:08:56.660 Well, that's such a stupid misnomer about there's no proponent. There's no proponent 0.96

00:09:00.480 because the regulations and taxes around pipelines suck. So why would anyone put up

00:09:05.520 any amount of money to propose anything? It's just a bunch. It's just throwing money into the

00:09:10.500 void if they're still not letting you export from the Port of Prince Rupert. And also with Bill C-69,

00:09:17.580 that allows for just endless challenges and court actions against pipelines, 0.97

00:09:21.540 no one's stupid enough to put up hundreds of millions, 0.98

00:09:24.700 if not billions of dollars to build a thing 0.99

00:09:26.580 that might not actually even get shovels into the ground for a second.

00:09:32.160 So, but let's now, the rest of that is accurate, though,

00:09:35.380 so I can give Rosemary Barton that,

00:09:37.040 that she was at least somewhat accurate when it comes to the fact that,

00:09:40.180 you know, Carney came out with this, rushed out the gate, 0.79

00:09:42.700 and then immediately was hit by a wall of no's.

00:09:45.580 And by the way, he wants the answer at the end of the day to be no.

00:09:48.620 He just didn't want it to be no this fast.

00:09:51.060 He was wanting to be Mr. Pipeline for about a year and then have Eby and the First Nations and other members of caucus kill it.

00:09:57.940 And he can say, I'd love to do it, but my hands are tied. 0.97

00:10:01.360 I am sorry.

00:10:02.560 Eby's tied my hands.

00:10:03.780 I might be the prime minister, but for some reason, David Eby needs to approve everything I do.

00:10:08.160 And so I'd love to do it, but we can't do it.

00:10:11.880 But let's get into this segment with Dominic LeBlanc.

00:10:14.260 I spoke to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Dominic LeBlanc, about the political implications of the deal and what comes next.

00:10:22.200 I keep calling him Trade Minister to the U.S. I believe that's his special role, that he's like the lead on U.S. trade, but he's also, I guess, Intergovernmental Affairs Minister, which in a certain sense means he's Minister of Everything a little bit.

00:10:34.340 Minister LeBlanc, nice to see you again.

00:10:36.120 Good morning, Rosemary.

00:10:37.480 I've got lots of questions because this is a big deal and there's lots in it.

00:10:41.140 I'll start with the industrial carbon price.

00:10:44.240 So the effective price is going to be $130 by 2040,

00:10:48.320 the headline price $140.

00:10:50.460 What was not clear to me is whether this industrial carbon

00:10:53.580 pricing now applies right across the country.

00:10:55.780 Do you know?

00:10:57.760 Well, obviously, once we have this agreement in place

00:11:02.400 with Alberta, we would be prepared to discuss

00:11:05.840 with other provinces these sort of arrangements.

00:11:09.840 but this is a deal with respect to Alberta.

00:11:12.580 But in our federation, we're always looking at ways

00:11:15.360 to actually strengthen the efficacy of these measures.

00:11:20.520 So we expect that provinces will want to talk to us

00:11:23.820 about that and we're obviously open to that.

00:11:26.720 The Climate Institute said even before this

00:11:29.320 that Canada was not on track to meet any

00:11:31.240 of its climate goals, 2035 or net zero by 2050.

00:11:35.420 We asked for modeling of where emissions would be

00:11:38.960 because of this agreement, and we're not provided any. Do you have any understanding of where Canada

00:11:44.360 will be with its commitments? Now, if he can't just say, hey, Rosemary, state of the world means

00:11:51.180 that we can't chase environmentalist dreams. We need to actually make sure that people, you know,

00:11:56.120 have jobs that we have cheap oil and gas and that we can export it around the world. And we can

00:12:01.520 offset emissions elsewhere by selling them clean Canadian oil and gas. He's not going to say that

00:12:06.640 because he doesn't believe in the project.

00:12:09.940 So I know my colleague, the Minister of Environment and Climate Change,

00:12:14.140 is working on those exact questions.

00:12:17.020 One of the challenges, Rosemary, is that a number of the measures that were in place

00:12:22.440 weren't actually achieving the results.

00:12:24.680 So there was sort of a disconnect between a target and a plan that was not yielding the results.

00:12:32.220 If Alberta was nowhere on track to achieving the level of ambition that had been set previously, then if this agreement is, as we think, effective and has the full participation of the government of Alberta and the Alberta industry, it's going to be much more effective at achieving those goals.

00:12:52.820 So how could it achieve the goals if we're actually going to expand our oil and gas production by building pipelines to the West Coast to ship more out?

00:13:03.020 Now, what I think people like Dominic LeBlanc and, of course, Prime Minister Mark Carney are up to here is that what they want to do is get Alberta saddled with the higher industrial carbon tax rate of $130, $140 a ton by 2040.

00:13:19.320 Now, I know that Daniel Smith has said, well, this is better because we're no longer trying to hit 170 by 2030 or 140 by 2030.

00:13:27.160 Okay, yeah, we've saved a decade, I guess.

00:13:29.340 We've saved a few years, but we shouldn't be having the industrial carbon tax go up at all.

00:13:33.600 In fact, we should have the industrial carbon tax go down, if not be eliminated.

00:13:38.140 But Dominic LeBlanc is happy because at least they've gotten something across the plate at Daniel Smith.

00:13:43.680 They've thrown the ball, and they got it across the plate with Danielle Smith because they've

00:13:49.340 gotten her to embrace the Pathways Project, and they've gotten her to embrace the higher

00:13:54.660 per ton price on carbon.

00:13:58.000 So we are doing billions and billions of dollars of carbon capture investment plus the higher

00:14:04.500 tax, and they probably don't even actually have to actually approve a pipeline by the

00:14:09.460 end.

00:14:09.980 That is what the grift basically is.

00:14:12.640 keep promising things in the future to force Alberta to do things in the present without

00:14:16.960 ever actually getting to that future goal. I think we have to acknowledge that this is for us a very

00:14:23.100 important step at putting in place a series of measures, not just around an industrial price for

00:14:30.180 carbon, but a series of measures that will advance significantly our ability to lead the fight

00:14:36.640 against climate change. Okay, let me ask some of the things around what may get Canada to another

00:14:42.140 pipeline or Alberta to another pipeline. The pathways project, the pipeline is still, from what

00:14:47.800 I understand, contingent on pathways, but I'm not clear on whether it has to happen at the same time

00:14:54.360 as the pipeline, whether it has to start with the pipeline. Can you give me a sense of how that has

00:14:59.360 to unfold? So you're right. It is contingent. These two projects, if ultimately they go ahead,

00:15:07.320 would go ahead together. So the idea that the government would consider the approval of a

00:15:14.500 potential pipeline without a clear line of sight on the carbon capture and storage pathways project

00:15:22.100 also going into place is self-evident. We've been clear about that from the beginning.

00:15:27.020 Do you see what he just said there? The consideration of a pipeline is contingent

00:15:31.740 on pathways investment uh consider the approach um so the the idea that the government would

00:15:39.340 uh consider the approval of a potential pipeline um without consider did you hear that consider

00:15:47.100 the approval of a potential pipeline i think there are three hedges in there consider the approval

00:15:55.580 of a potential pipeline without pathways investment a clear line of sight um so the

00:16:03.420 the idea that the government would uh consider the approval of a potential pipeline um without

00:16:10.620 a clear line of sight on the carbon capture and storage pathways project also going into place

00:16:17.020 um is self-evident we've been clear about that from the beginning um we're confident now as is

00:16:22.220 is the government of Alberta that the Pathways Alliance, the group of energy producers in Alberta

00:16:28.880 are able to to advance in a very significant way quickly that project that has been on the

00:16:36.340 shelf for a long time. It will have a it will have a massive reduction in terms of of emissions once

00:16:43.580 the Pathways project is in place so we expect the two projects to go together. There is still

00:16:50.380 But he's describing, he's somewhat describing that it's going to come into place if the pipeline gets approved. But he's also, his other language is that we would consider potentially approving or, you know, consider approving a potential pipeline when Pathways is in place.

00:17:07.160 like his language makes it sound like for the consideration to start pathways has to be there

00:17:12.840 at the same time he's kind of implying that they're going to go together he says they're

00:17:16.260 going to go together but his more the longer description sounds like well to get to the

00:17:21.280 consideration stage pathways need to be there so this thing that could cost 18 billion dollars to

00:17:27.300 the industry is contingent on them considering a pipeline which means the whole thing is basically

00:17:33.820 a fraud and that's what also that's what is that the entire thing is a complete farce carney wanted

00:17:39.660 to be mr pipeline pretending he wanted to build something and then eb the first nations and those

00:17:44.060 ministers are shooting it down and when you actually hear the plan it's like oh this seems

00:17:48.220 like just an entrapment scheme against alberta we'll consider building a potential pipeline

00:17:55.100 if you do pathways if you raise your industrial carbon tax rate if you do all this other

00:17:58.940 environmentalist nonsense and then we'll just kick the can down the road another year and maybe by

00:18:04.380 this time danielle smith is too in deep and she has to say well okay they just said another six

00:18:09.660 months okay they just said another six months they just said another two years and it's like it's not

00:18:13.900 gonna happen it's not and my fear is that danielle smith although it's blowing itself up anyways

00:18:19.740 daniel smith lent her credibility to mark carney who has not earned the credibility she has not

00:18:25.820 earned her tacit endorsement of his energy plan. He has to get shovels in the ground, then endorse

00:18:31.980 it. Then say, I'll maybe increase the industrial carbon tax. Now, I don't think we should have it.

00:18:37.760 If you're in a situation where the liberals are forcing you to have it, but they will build the

00:18:40.800 pipeline, maybe. But I would say the industrial carbon tax comes in once the pipeline's flowing.

00:18:46.720 Once we're actually selling things through that pipeline, okay, higher industrial carbon tax,

00:18:50.440 maybe industry will eat that cost in order to be able to produce more. Fair enough.

00:18:54.340 But we're going to implement without having actually gotten anything in our hands. It is the classic, a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush or whatever it is. Why are we accepting the idea that there are a few birds in that bush over there that we could have, and all we have to do is start putting down billions of dollars for Mark Carney's environmentalist initiatives, the guy who said that we shouldn't be building pipelines when he was Justin Trudeau's

00:19:24.340 economics minister, I don't think Carney changes his mind on anything, frankly. I don't think that

00:19:31.400 he's ever going to change his mind about pipelines. I think that he is just somebody who considers

00:19:35.560 himself a smooth talker and can kind of get whatever he wants by phrasing things diplomatically

00:19:40.780 enough. Anyways, with all that being said, thank you guys for watching. Hopefully you enjoyed the

00:19:46.740 episode. Make sure you like, share, subscribe, and I hope that we had good audio and video today

00:19:53.520 Because if this hotel has really nice Wi-Fi, I might have to set up shop here whenever I come to Victoria.

00:19:59.760 Because the problem with downtown Victoria is like all the hotels are like, well, you know, you're going to put up with bad Wi-Fi and other bad things because you're in downtown Victoria.

00:20:08.440 And what do you want to do? Stay outside of town 20 minutes?

00:20:11.860 Well, know what? I did that.

00:20:13.440 I am outside of Victoria by 20 minutes somewhere else.

00:20:16.720 And if they have better Wi-Fi, maybe I'm a true believer.

00:20:19.280 or maybe I'm on the bandwagon for whatever undisclosed location hotel that I am in.

00:20:25.400 Anyways, with all that being said, thank you guys for watching, and I'll see you all later.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - May 17, 2026

Liberal MPs turning on Carney over Fake Pipeline Agreement!

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