The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - June 08, 2026


Liberal Polling FALLS - MPs Leak on Mark Carney's Entitled Behaviour


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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.
00:00:06.280 Prime Minister Mark Carney already had a couple public threats to his popularity
00:00:10.980 that he was going to have to deal with this summer. He has three Liberal MPs planning on resigning,
00:00:17.560 opening up his left flank to the NDP to chip away at, as well as the recession that we fell into
00:00:23.180 last Friday that, despite the Liberals trying to downplay, is showing up in the polls as something
00:00:28.920 that Canadians do not like the Liberals for. They are rightfully blaming the Liberals since
00:00:33.720 they are currently in government with the recession taking place and has caused the
00:00:37.880 Liberals to lose three or four points in a recent abacus data poll, the Conservatives to gain a
00:00:43.840 point, and the NDP to gain three points, which in fact is worse for the Liberals than the Conservatives
00:00:49.740 even gaining a higher percentage of the vote. But now Mark Carney also has an internal threat to
00:00:56.700 his popularity that is now breaking out into the public, and that is whiny liberal MPs not liking
00:01:03.600 his leadership style. Now, I know a lot of conservatives online say that, well, this actually
00:01:09.100 kind of makes me like Carney more. I want the liberal MPs to not be happy. But when we cut
00:01:14.680 through all the jokes about how we wish all these liberals were living tougher lives anyways,
00:01:19.860 this is actually really bad for Carney. Left-wing parties tend to be very consensus-based
00:01:25.260 internally in terms of how caucus is managed. Justin Trudeau, for the record, moron. At the 1.00
00:01:32.180 same time, he was good at making all the different factions of the party feel special, feel heard,
00:01:38.660 having coffee meetings with individual MPs and listening to them and adding their advice into
00:01:44.120 future legislation. It made sure that all legislation sucked. Everything was a complete 0.97
00:01:49.160 dog's breakfast under Justin Trudeau. The public didn't like him, but caucus did like him.
00:01:55.260 Now Carney is having the problem that because he's not like Justin Trudeau, his very top-down
00:02:00.200 leadership style is rubbing people the wrong way. In conservative parties, leaders tend to be a
00:02:05.940 little bit more top-down, and it's tolerated because, hey, you won the leadership, you should
00:02:10.960 have some free reign to run, even if, you know, the leader's more conservative or less conservative,
00:02:16.180 the different factions, whether they disagree or agree, will let the person have their chance.
00:02:22.020 In left-wing parties, you tend to have to do a lot more relationship managing, making everyone feel special and included, and apparently Carney does not do that. And it's causing tons of op-eds and tons of leaked reports to come out about how Mark Carney is acting like a dictator and a bully and yelling at people.
00:02:42.520 this could be far worse for him than the recession or losing any MPs because this is one of those
00:02:48.480 things that can launch a thousand articles over the next year about every little thing he does
00:02:53.940 wrong in caucus making the internal leadership of the liberal party more paranoid about what
00:02:59.480 they say and do and maybe even having them go after MPs that they suspect for not being on
00:03:05.580 the prime minister's side. This could cause so many unseen issues that we haven't bumped into yet
00:03:10.480 but the first one is already just the opening salvo of articles exposing him for, I guess,
00:03:16.900 again, being a bit of a dictator. So in a second here, I want to go through some of the reporting
00:03:21.720 that's come out from the Globe and Mail. We'll go through it in the more condensed form that
00:03:25.960 was posted on social media. And then I want to talk about the internal leadership of the
00:03:32.120 Liberal Party being in a bit of panic because they sent out the Liberal Caucus chair to CTV News
00:03:38.220 to deny all the reports, even though it's clearly true. You can say the Liberal MPs who are leaking
00:03:44.240 on him are just whiners, or they're not, but it probably is real. I don't think any Liberal MPs
00:03:50.800 are being treated great, and then they're just choosing to leak on the Prime Minister and lie
00:03:55.660 to them just to make him look bad. I really doubt that's what's going on here. But in just a second,
00:04:01.280 we will get into some of the reports, and then that CTV News clip. But I just want to remind you
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00:04:19.340 title is. Anyways, now let's get into the condensed version of the reporting from Trending Politics
00:04:26.300 here. It says, is Mark Carney's corporate style risking his political capital? New reporting by
00:04:36.280 Mariki Walsh and Stephanie Levitz reveals growing tensions behind closed doors between the prime
00:04:41.620 minister and his caucus a year after turning a liberal slump into a majority government.
00:04:47.820 Inside West Block, MPs describe an exchange where Carney dressed down Nova Scotia MP Jamie Batsy
00:04:53.880 over an indigenous policy file telling him that the decision was made and the local backlash was
00:04:59.640 Jamie Batsy's problem to manage. The core friction Mark Carney runs government like a business.
00:05:08.420 He told caucus he doesn't want complaints, only solutions. While many MPs welcomed this
00:05:13.460 discipline compared to the Trudeau era, others warned that a political caucus isn't a corporate
00:05:19.060 boardroom. With a slim majority, Mark Carney relies heavily on backbench loyalty, but policies
00:05:25.620 wandering down marquee climate goals have already sparked internal dissent, leading to high-profile
00:05:31.680 exit of former Environment Minister Stephen Gilbo from politics. Carney is attempting to
00:05:36.420 change government rapidly, but political veterans warn the government is a team sport from the
00:05:42.660 Globe and Mail. Now, I have read the full report. They go over other people basically just being
00:05:47.960 shut down from any of their complaints being brought up or very much people not being consulted
00:05:53.000 on any legislation the liberals are putting forward. But the funny thing is the liberals
00:05:57.460 know that they can't operate like this forever. Now, this doesn't mean it's good for the country
00:06:02.880 for him to change in this way. In fact, maybe Carney's corporate style is keeping the liberal
00:06:07.980 party from being as radical as they could be. But now Carney's actually starting to react to
00:06:13.260 the complaining after 14-plus Liberal MPs signed a letter saying that they didn't like his pipeline
00:06:20.200 deal with Alberta, and apparently Stephen Gilbeau said it's far more than 14, because Carney is now
00:06:25.660 starting to roll back plans on softening some environmental regulations. Now, I always emphasize
00:06:31.560 this. Do I think Mark Carney is actually interested in building a pipeline? No. I don't actually
00:06:37.280 think he was ever really making that significant of a change to our environmental regulations
00:06:41.360 either. But he wants businesses and he wants the public to think he's interested in those things
00:06:47.340 because it makes them more popular. But he ideologically is a bit of a climate zealot,
00:06:51.840 so he doesn't really want to adjust it too much. But his rhetorical strategy seems to be taking off
00:06:58.480 sort of internal factions within the Liberal Party. The climate left inside the Liberal Party,
00:07:04.060 who was very much represented by Stephen Gilboa, is probably giving a very long and hard look at
00:07:09.380 going back towards either the NDP or the Green Party or also the Bloc Québécois if they're in
00:07:15.560 Quebec. Not good for Carney. He knows it's not good. And that's why he's starting to adjust his
00:07:21.840 already very weak policy to be even weaker to try and satisfy the whiners. But now I want to take 1.00
00:07:28.420 you guys into this new CTV News interview, because sometimes a problem being denied just ends up
00:07:34.560 revealing the problem was there in the first place, because you wouldn't have to deny something
00:07:39.500 if it was completely baseless. You know, just let it go. But here is the Liberal caucus chair,
00:07:46.360 James Maloney, going on CTV News with Vashti Capellos to say all the stuff about Carney being
00:07:51.620 a dictator. It's all a lie. I'm going to put a quote from the piece directly to you to get your
00:07:56.920 response to begin. He yells, said one MP, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to
00:08:01.660 avoid retribution from the prime minister's office he punches down at caucus all the time is that
00:08:05.860 true absolutely false I sit closer to him in caucus than I'm sitting to you right now when I
00:08:11.340 read that uh two nights ago uh I had a variety of emotional reactions one of them was you know
00:08:19.220 concern one of them was anger one was great disappointment because it's just it's not true
00:08:22.680 absolutely not true then why are people telling you know media a media outlet that well here let
00:08:29.100 me give you some context to start with or your viewers contest because you know this already but
00:08:32.560 that's a good question though he should he should answer why are people telling this to the media
00:08:37.260 it's coming from mps themselves in the globe and mail article they quote anonymously 12 liberal
00:08:43.820 mps saying that he's punching down a caucus and that he's really sharp with people and basically
00:08:48.960 just says go deal with it it's not my fault like that came from the liberal mps themselves so
00:08:53.920 is it true or is it false or is the globe and mail lying about them interviewing mps
00:08:59.080 i'm defending i'm sitting here defending the prime minister but i serve at the pleasure of
00:09:05.400 the caucus i was elected as caucus chair by the mps in that room so my job and my responsibility
00:09:11.560 is to them and to him because he's a member of caucus so i'm not being sent out here to defend
00:09:16.520 i'm here to uh look the story's wrong i'm sorry the story is wrong i read that and i sit right
00:09:23.760 beside him i've never heard that what part is wrong i know he keeps saying oh i've never heard
00:09:27.760 anything but you just say like the exchange that happened with jamie batsy what actually went down
00:09:33.920 there and what are people misinterpreting man yell let's that's just i don't know where that
00:09:37.760 came from so what about the part around like the idea of raising concerns versus coming to the
00:09:46.560 table with solutions and in this case there were specific examples uh provided for example in nova
00:09:50.800 a Scotia MP raising concerns over perceptions of the government's changes to the Indian Act.
00:09:55.760 Another MP, a doctor, you know, raising concerns about the federal government's lack of response to
00:10:01.360 sort of a piece of legislation in Alberta about two-tier health care. Like,
00:10:06.020 is the idea, can you bring forward concerns and concerns alone? And isn't that the job of MPs,
00:10:10.900 to kind of represent the concerns of their constituents and relay it to the people who
00:10:13.780 make decisions about it? A lot of part of your statements, 100%. My job as caucus chair
00:10:17.940 is to make sure we have a safe environment where people, MPs and the prime minister and cabinet
00:10:23.520 ministers can voice their opinions. That's the whole purpose of the meeting. We're there for
00:10:27.080 two hours every week, no phones, no media, no staff. And we have open and frank discussions.
00:10:34.260 I'm never going to tell anybody ever what happens in that room because what happens in that room
00:10:38.680 is sacred. And that's one of the other. Okay. But then he just reveals the fact that he's not
00:10:43.120 actually, he can't actually debunk anything because he's saying, I'm not going to tell
00:10:47.420 you what happens in that room. I can tell you that the stories are false. I'm also never going
00:10:52.520 to tell you what happens in the room. You would think that he would say, okay, for this one time,
00:10:56.660 because people are apparently lying, I will tell you what actually happened in that meeting. But
00:11:00.580 if you won't go into detail and you're just falling back on anonymity, then why should I
00:11:06.440 believe you? The other people were quoted anonymously, but I believe the Globe and Mail,
00:11:10.920 a very left-leaning outlet, is probably not just making up that they interviewed 12 liberals.
00:11:15.620 I assume that they are actually telling the truth.
00:11:18.700 They're doing it anonymously so they don't get bullied more.
00:11:22.080 But him just saying, well, you know, it's all a bunch of lies.
00:11:25.900 Also, I can't tell you what's a lie,
00:11:28.660 and I'm not going to say anything that was said in that meeting,
00:11:30.600 but just know everything's hunky-dory.
00:11:33.480 Clearly it's not because the prime minister is starting to adjust
00:11:37.100 in favor of the criticism that he's getting.
00:11:40.020 At the same time, they're denying that the criticism was ever made in the first place.
00:11:43.800 So they have to pick a lane here.
00:11:46.180 reasons I was so upset the other night when I saw that, because people speaking, and I know the
00:11:51.580 article said don't talk to the media. Look, I've spoken with you, I've spoken with other media,
00:11:56.520 I'm happy to talk to media all the time, but I will never share a word of what happens inside
00:12:01.480 that room, and everybody who's in that room should abide by the same principle, because
00:12:06.080 it's a safe place, and it's a safe place because, as you pointed out, that's where we have these
00:12:11.920 discussions a lot of government that's just such a nonsense i know this in politics all the time
00:12:16.600 caucus meetings people can get bullied and yelled at you know basically like torn apart and then
00:12:22.380 they use the anonymity to base as a weapon against you that you can't say what happened to that room
00:12:26.680 it's not a safe place they're using it as a safe place for carney to like punch down on people and
00:12:32.000 then have no accountability after the fact policies have come out of that room because caucus members
00:12:36.880 have an opportunity to voice their concerns to raise issues that they hear from their constituents
00:12:41.020 whether it's in bc or atlantic canada quebec or ontario and that's that's what it's for so we have
00:12:46.740 wide-ranging discussions on a wide-ranging uh number of topics it's a big country and there's
00:12:52.960 a lot going on right now but it's a safe space so uh there's dialogue and my job is to make sure
00:12:59.220 that people have that opportunity we have a structure to the meeting uh i set the agenda
00:13:05.120 every week okay he's just now explaining how meetings work at this point but james maloney
00:13:09.820 obviously is contradicting himself by going into that interview saying, I sit right next to the
00:13:15.500 prime minister. I sit closer to him than I'm sitting to you right now. And I can say it's
00:13:19.600 all wrong. Can you tell us what happens in the meetings? Nope. Okay, well, this was all useless.
00:13:26.500 But anyways, so we will be seeing how this develops into the future because more reports
00:13:31.400 are already starting to come out of MPs seeing the denials by the inner circle of Mark Carney
00:13:37.040 and starting to come out with more details
00:13:39.340 that they're then handing to like the Hilltimes,
00:13:41.480 the Toronto Star.
00:13:42.600 So no doubt, alongside all the other issues
00:13:45.020 that are plaguing Carney,
00:13:46.060 like the softening poll numbers
00:13:47.440 and Liberal MPs resigning this summer,
00:13:50.260 we're probably going to continue hearing
00:13:51.760 about how they're going to keep muzzling Liberal MPs
00:13:55.160 from actually speaking out
00:13:56.500 about what the Prime Minister does now.
00:13:58.880 Anyways, with all that being said,
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