The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - June 08, 2026


Liberal Polling FALLS - MPs Leak on Mark Carney's Entitled Behaviour


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Whiny liberal MPs are getting frustrated with Prime Minister Mark Carney and his leadership style. They are starting to leak on him, and it's making him look bad in the eyes of the public. But is this a good or bad thing?

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here, and welcome back to the National Telegraph YouTube channel.
00:00:06.280 Prime Minister Mark Carney already had a couple public threats to his popularity
00:00:10.980 that he was going to have to deal with this summer. He has three Liberal MPs planning on resigning,
00:00:17.560 opening up his left flank to the NDP to chip away at, as well as the recession that we fell into
00:00:23.180 last Friday that, despite the Liberals trying to downplay, is showing up in the polls as something
00:00:28.920 that Canadians do not like the Liberals for. They are rightfully blaming the Liberals since
00:00:33.720 they are currently in government with the recession taking place and has caused the
00:00:37.880 Liberals to lose three or four points in a recent abacus data poll, the Conservatives to gain a
00:00:43.840 point, and the NDP to gain three points, which in fact is worse for the Liberals than the Conservatives
00:00:49.740 even gaining a higher percentage of the vote. But now Mark Carney also has an internal threat to
00:00:56.700 his popularity that is now breaking out into the public, and that is whiny liberal MPs not liking
00:01:03.600 his leadership style. Now, I know a lot of conservatives online say that, well, this actually
00:01:09.100 kind of makes me like Carney more. I want the liberal MPs to not be happy. But when we cut
00:01:14.680 through all the jokes about how we wish all these liberals were living tougher lives anyways,
00:01:19.860 this is actually really bad for Carney. Left-wing parties tend to be very consensus-based
00:01:25.260 internally in terms of how caucus is managed. Justin Trudeau, for the record, moron. At the 1.00
00:01:32.180 same time, he was good at making all the different factions of the party feel special, feel heard,
00:01:38.660 having coffee meetings with individual MPs and listening to them and adding their advice into
00:01:44.120 future legislation. It made sure that all legislation sucked. Everything was a complete 0.97
00:01:49.160 dog's breakfast under Justin Trudeau. The public didn't like him, but caucus did like him.
00:01:55.260 Now Carney is having the problem that because he's not like Justin Trudeau, his very top-down
00:02:00.200 leadership style is rubbing people the wrong way. In conservative parties, leaders tend to be a
00:02:05.940 little bit more top-down, and it's tolerated because, hey, you won the leadership, you should
00:02:10.960 have some free reign to run, even if, you know, the leader's more conservative or less conservative,
00:02:16.180 the different factions, whether they disagree or agree, will let the person have their chance.
00:02:22.020 In left-wing parties, you tend to have to do a lot more relationship managing, making everyone feel special and included, and apparently Carney does not do that. And it's causing tons of op-eds and tons of leaked reports to come out about how Mark Carney is acting like a dictator and a bully and yelling at people.
00:02:42.520 this could be far worse for him than the recession or losing any MPs because this is one of those
00:02:48.480 things that can launch a thousand articles over the next year about every little thing he does
00:02:53.940 wrong in caucus making the internal leadership of the liberal party more paranoid about what
00:02:59.480 they say and do and maybe even having them go after MPs that they suspect for not being on
00:03:05.580 the prime minister's side. This could cause so many unseen issues that we haven't bumped into yet
00:03:10.480 but the first one is already just the opening salvo of articles exposing him for, I guess,
00:03:16.900 again, being a bit of a dictator. So in a second here, I want to go through some of the reporting
00:03:21.720 that's come out from the Globe and Mail. We'll go through it in the more condensed form that
00:03:25.960 was posted on social media. And then I want to talk about the internal leadership of the
00:03:32.120 Liberal Party being in a bit of panic because they sent out the Liberal Caucus chair to CTV News
00:03:38.220 to deny all the reports, even though it's clearly true. You can say the Liberal MPs who are leaking
00:03:44.240 on him are just whiners, or they're not, but it probably is real. I don't think any Liberal MPs
00:03:50.800 are being treated great, and then they're just choosing to leak on the Prime Minister and lie
00:03:55.660 to them just to make him look bad. I really doubt that's what's going on here. But in just a second,
00:04:01.280 we will get into some of the reports, and then that CTV News clip. But I just want to remind you
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00:04:19.340 title is. Anyways, now let's get into the condensed version of the reporting from Trending Politics
00:04:26.300 here. It says, is Mark Carney's corporate style risking his political capital? New reporting by
00:04:36.280 Mariki Walsh and Stephanie Levitz reveals growing tensions behind closed doors between the prime
00:04:41.620 minister and his caucus a year after turning a liberal slump into a majority government.
00:04:47.820 Inside West Block, MPs describe an exchange where Carney dressed down Nova Scotia MP Jamie Batsy
00:04:53.880 over an indigenous policy file telling him that the decision was made and the local backlash was
00:04:59.640 Jamie Batsy's problem to manage. The core friction Mark Carney runs government like a business.
00:05:08.420 He told caucus he doesn't want complaints, only solutions. While many MPs welcomed this
00:05:13.460 discipline compared to the Trudeau era, others warned that a political caucus isn't a corporate
00:05:19.060 boardroom. With a slim majority, Mark Carney relies heavily on backbench loyalty, but policies
00:05:25.620 wandering down marquee climate goals have already sparked internal dissent, leading to high-profile
00:05:31.680 exit of former Environment Minister Stephen Gilbo from politics. Carney is attempting to
00:05:36.420 change government rapidly, but political veterans warn the government is a team sport from the
00:05:42.660 Globe and Mail. Now, I have read the full report. They go over other people basically just being
00:05:47.960 shut down from any of their complaints being brought up or very much people not being consulted
00:05:53.000 on any legislation the liberals are putting forward. But the funny thing is the liberals
00:05:57.460 know that they can't operate like this forever. Now, this doesn't mean it's good for the country
00:06:02.880 for him to change in this way. In fact, maybe Carney's corporate style is keeping the liberal
00:06:07.980 party from being as radical as they could be. But now Carney's actually starting to react to
00:06:13.260 the complaining after 14-plus Liberal MPs signed a letter saying that they didn't like his pipeline
00:06:20.200 deal with Alberta, and apparently Stephen Gilbeau said it's far more than 14, because Carney is now
00:06:25.660 starting to roll back plans on softening some environmental regulations. Now, I always emphasize
00:06:31.560 this. Do I think Mark Carney is actually interested in building a pipeline? No. I don't actually
00:06:37.280 think he was ever really making that significant of a change to our environmental regulations
00:06:41.360 either. But he wants businesses and he wants the public to think he's interested in those things
00:06:47.340 because it makes them more popular. But he ideologically is a bit of a climate zealot,
00:06:51.840 so he doesn't really want to adjust it too much. But his rhetorical strategy seems to be taking off
00:06:58.480 sort of internal factions within the Liberal Party. The climate left inside the Liberal Party,
00:07:04.060 who was very much represented by Stephen Gilboa, is probably giving a very long and hard look at
00:07:09.380 going back towards either the NDP or the Green Party or also the Bloc Québécois if they're in
00:07:15.560 Quebec. Not good for Carney. He knows it's not good. And that's why he's starting to adjust his
00:07:21.840 already very weak policy to be even weaker to try and satisfy the whiners. But now I want to take 1.00
00:07:28.420 you guys into this new CTV News interview, because sometimes a problem being denied just ends up
00:07:34.560 revealing the problem was there in the first place, because you wouldn't have to deny something
00:07:39.500 if it was completely baseless. You know, just let it go. But here is the Liberal caucus chair,
00:07:46.360 James Maloney, going on CTV News with Vashti Capellos to say all the stuff about Carney being
00:07:51.620 a dictator. It's all a lie. I'm going to put a quote from the piece directly to you to get your
00:07:56.920 response to begin. He yells, said one MP, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity to
00:08:01.660 avoid retribution from the prime minister's office he punches down at caucus all the time is that
00:08:05.860 true absolutely false I sit closer to him in caucus than I'm sitting to you right now when I
00:08:11.340 read that uh two nights ago uh I had a variety of emotional reactions one of them was you know
00:08:19.220 concern one of them was anger one was great disappointment because it's just it's not true
00:08:22.680 absolutely not true then why are people telling you know media a media outlet that well here let
00:08:29.100 me give you some context to start with or your viewers contest because you know this already but
00:08:32.560 that's a good question though he should he should answer why are people telling this to the media
00:08:37.260 it's coming from mps themselves in the globe and mail article they quote anonymously 12 liberal
00:08:43.820 mps saying that he's punching down a caucus and that he's really sharp with people and basically
00:08:48.960 just says go deal with it it's not my fault like that came from the liberal mps themselves so
00:08:53.920 is it true or is it false or is the globe and mail lying about them interviewing mps
00:08:59.080 i'm defending i'm sitting here defending the prime minister but i serve at the pleasure of
00:09:05.400 the caucus i was elected as caucus chair by the mps in that room so my job and my responsibility
00:09:11.560 is to them and to him because he's a member of caucus so i'm not being sent out here to defend
00:09:16.520 i'm here to uh look the story's wrong i'm sorry the story is wrong i read that and i sit right
00:09:23.760 beside him i've never heard that what part is wrong i know he keeps saying oh i've never heard
00:09:27.760 anything but you just say like the exchange that happened with jamie batsy what actually went down
00:09:33.920 there and what are people misinterpreting man yell let's that's just i don't know where that
00:09:37.760 came from so what about the part around like the idea of raising concerns versus coming to the
00:09:46.560 table with solutions and in this case there were specific examples uh provided for example in nova
00:09:50.800 a Scotia MP raising concerns over perceptions of the government's changes to the Indian Act.
00:09:55.760 Another MP, a doctor, you know, raising concerns about the federal government's lack of response to
00:10:01.360 sort of a piece of legislation in Alberta about two-tier health care. Like,
00:10:06.020 is the idea, can you bring forward concerns and concerns alone? And isn't that the job of MPs,
00:10:10.900 to kind of represent the concerns of their constituents and relay it to the people who
00:10:13.780 make decisions about it? A lot of part of your statements, 100%. My job as caucus chair
00:10:17.940 is to make sure we have a safe environment where people, MPs and the prime minister and cabinet
00:10:23.520 ministers can voice their opinions. That's the whole purpose of the meeting. We're there for
00:10:27.080 two hours every week, no phones, no media, no staff. And we have open and frank discussions.
00:10:34.260 I'm never going to tell anybody ever what happens in that room because what happens in that room
00:10:38.680 is sacred. And that's one of the other. Okay. But then he just reveals the fact that he's not
00:10:43.120 actually, he can't actually debunk anything because he's saying, I'm not going to tell
00:10:47.420 you what happens in that room. I can tell you that the stories are false. I'm also never going
00:10:52.520 to tell you what happens in the room. You would think that he would say, okay, for this one time,
00:10:56.660 because people are apparently lying, I will tell you what actually happened in that meeting. But
00:11:00.580 if you won't go into detail and you're just falling back on anonymity, then why should I
00:11:06.440 believe you? The other people were quoted anonymously, but I believe the Globe and Mail,
00:11:10.920 a very left-leaning outlet, is probably not just making up that they interviewed 12 liberals.
00:11:15.620 I assume that they are actually telling the truth.
00:11:18.700 They're doing it anonymously so they don't get bullied more.
00:11:22.080 But him just saying, well, you know, it's all a bunch of lies.
00:11:25.900 Also, I can't tell you what's a lie,
00:11:28.660 and I'm not going to say anything that was said in that meeting,
00:11:30.600 but just know everything's hunky-dory.
00:11:33.480 Clearly it's not because the prime minister is starting to adjust
00:11:37.100 in favor of the criticism that he's getting.
00:11:40.020 At the same time, they're denying that the criticism was ever made in the first place.
00:11:43.800 So they have to pick a lane here.
00:11:46.180 reasons I was so upset the other night when I saw that, because people speaking, and I know the
00:11:51.580 article said don't talk to the media. Look, I've spoken with you, I've spoken with other media,
00:11:56.520 I'm happy to talk to media all the time, but I will never share a word of what happens inside
00:12:01.480 that room, and everybody who's in that room should abide by the same principle, because
00:12:06.080 it's a safe place, and it's a safe place because, as you pointed out, that's where we have these
00:12:11.920 discussions a lot of government that's just such a nonsense i know this in politics all the time
00:12:16.600 caucus meetings people can get bullied and yelled at you know basically like torn apart and then
00:12:22.380 they use the anonymity to base as a weapon against you that you can't say what happened to that room
00:12:26.680 it's not a safe place they're using it as a safe place for carney to like punch down on people and
00:12:32.000 then have no accountability after the fact policies have come out of that room because caucus members
00:12:36.880 have an opportunity to voice their concerns to raise issues that they hear from their constituents
00:12:41.020 whether it's in bc or atlantic canada quebec or ontario and that's that's what it's for so we have
00:12:46.740 wide-ranging discussions on a wide-ranging uh number of topics it's a big country and there's
00:12:52.960 a lot going on right now but it's a safe space so uh there's dialogue and my job is to make sure
00:12:59.220 that people have that opportunity we have a structure to the meeting uh i set the agenda
00:13:05.120 every week okay he's just now explaining how meetings work at this point but james maloney
00:13:09.820 obviously is contradicting himself by going into that interview saying, I sit right next to the
00:13:15.500 prime minister. I sit closer to him than I'm sitting to you right now. And I can say it's
00:13:19.600 all wrong. Can you tell us what happens in the meetings? Nope. Okay, well, this was all useless.
00:13:26.500 But anyways, so we will be seeing how this develops into the future because more reports
00:13:31.400 are already starting to come out of MPs seeing the denials by the inner circle of Mark Carney
00:13:37.040 and starting to come out with more details
00:13:39.340 that they're then handing to like the Hilltimes,
00:13:41.480 the Toronto Star.
00:13:42.600 So no doubt, alongside all the other issues
00:13:45.020 that are plaguing Carney,
00:13:46.060 like the softening poll numbers
00:13:47.440 and Liberal MPs resigning this summer,
00:13:50.260 we're probably going to continue hearing
00:13:51.760 about how they're going to keep muzzling Liberal MPs
00:13:55.160 from actually speaking out
00:13:56.500 about what the Prime Minister does now.
00:13:58.880 Anyways, with all that being said,
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