The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - August 05, 2024


Liberals are full denial mode on immigration

Topics
immigration polls immigration sentiment nuances mass immigration
Hosted by
Wyatt Claypool
Mentioned
Mark Miller Ryan Jesperson Riley Donovan Kurdi
Pierre Poilievre blasts incompetent Liberal Housing Minister Trudeau's Liberals are horribly inauthentic

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12 minutes

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In this episode, I talk about why immigration is still a hot topic in Canada, and why the Liberals should just stop talking about it. I also talk about the Syrian refugee crisis, and how the Liberals are using it to distract us from other important issues.

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00:00:00.000 I have no clue what's going on with the Liberals right now.
00:00:03.600 Like, obviously, I know they're not very good at this and they're not particularly smart.
00:00:07.960 But I thought that they learned their lesson on immigration to stop talking about it.
00:00:12.480 Put caps on student visas.
00:00:14.860 Try and slowly lower immigration a little bit here and there to pretend that they're responsive to Canadians.
00:00:20.160 But overall, just stop talking about the issue because Canadians do not agree with the Liberals' mass immigration perspective.
00:00:27.260 But Mark Miller here, our immigration minister, was recently on Ryan Jesperson's show in Alberta.
00:00:33.940 And he's here to tell us that immigration is actually still super popular in Canada.
00:00:39.140 Don't worry about all of the polls.
00:00:41.460 Actually, everyone likes exactly what we've been doing over the past few years.
00:00:45.540 Check this out.
00:00:46.360 60% of Canadians feel that too many immigrants are coming to Canada.
00:00:49.240 So a majority of Canadians feel that way.
00:00:51.500 You're on the record as saying that you believe that immigration could be a top or the top election.
00:00:57.260 The issue, what would the election, what would the ballot box question be?
00:01:02.060 If immigration was the top election issue, what would the question be?
00:01:06.720 That's really good. 0.99
00:01:08.240 I think if I knew the top election question and I was posing it to you, I'd either be stupid to tell you or lying. 0.99
00:01:14.600 So, you know. 0.95
00:01:15.700 You can tell how nervous Mark Miller is immediately because Ryan Jesperson is literally citing his own words,
00:01:22.700 saying that you thought it was going to be the top election issue.
00:01:25.160 What do you think the ballot box question on immigration is?
00:01:27.680 And he starts going, well, if I knew that, I wouldn't tell anybody because, you know,
00:01:32.780 you've got to keep things pretty close to the chest.
00:01:34.980 You've been caught out.
00:01:36.120 And that's the real thing that's going on here.
00:01:38.000 And even the poll Ryan Jesperson is citing is probably the mildest one.
00:01:42.960 60% of people are against mass immigration, like a recent ledger poll or something like that.
00:01:48.240 I've seen other ones where it's 67%, 72% of people think that immigration is too high.
00:01:54.140 And you also have to take this in.
00:01:56.520 You also have to remember that this is including people who are undecided.
00:02:00.720 And I guarantee you the vast majority of people who are undecided just don't want to say it's too high
00:02:05.960 because the liberal media is so hard on people who take issue with immigration being high
00:02:11.400 that a lot of people are scared to be called racist, even though it has nothing to do with race at all.
00:02:16.700 It just has to do with the amount of warm bodies coming into Canada
00:02:21.280 in context to the amount of housing units we have available.
00:02:25.100 We don't have enough houses.
00:02:26.620 It's not xenophobia.
00:02:28.320 It's mass.
00:02:29.180 It's that's what's going on here.
00:02:30.880 But I'm going to throw it back to Mark Miller and see if he can try and turn this terrible answer around.
00:02:36.320 Oh, every political guru goes around and says this is going to be the top political question.
00:02:41.000 I think immigration generally, I think the levels and how we are doing a good or good job or not 1.00
00:02:47.160 will probably be a matter of debate.
00:02:49.420 I don't know if it'll be the top question there.
00:02:51.200 We are often surprised by by issues.
00:02:53.600 The 2015 election, we had the horrific visuals of, you know,
00:02:58.640 and Kurdi washed up on European shores.
00:03:01.640 And that was an important polarizing aspect of the election.
00:03:05.360 We we've had the evacuation of Kabul as a topic for the first two weeks of the last election.
00:03:12.680 So we had to stop doing this in Canada, too, because what he's hinting at is that actually Canadians are going to be very open to more immigration because the evacuation of Kabul was horrifying to watch. 0.51
00:03:23.640 The Taliban are a force of evil. 0.90
00:03:25.640 So we should just let everyone from Afghanistan into Canada because things are bad. 1.00
00:03:29.020 And that's what the liberals did in 2015.
00:03:31.300 There is that Syrian child whose body was on the like some beach in Europe or whatever.
00:03:37.080 He washed up on shore, had died and drowned from trying to cross the sea with his father.
00:03:41.920 And the liberals dishonestly use that as a campaign image to say, if you don't support our mass immigration agenda, then you wanted this boy to die.
00:03:53.800 No, that's insane.
00:03:55.720 That's not how that works.
00:03:57.020 And the vast majority of people who were crossing away from Syria were fighting age men.
00:04:02.720 It was very dishonest the way that the sort of the fleeing from Syria took place.
00:04:07.780 It was a lot of economic migrants taking advantage of the situation, leaving women, children and girls at home and then going to Europe.
00:04:15.200 And that was one of the few children who was on the cross was on the boats crossing and had died tragically.
00:04:22.200 And the liberals then said, if you're not in favor, if you want this kid to die, unless you want hundreds of thousands of people entering the country a year.
00:04:29.680 1.3 million, in fact, entered the country back in 2023 is why people are fed up.
00:04:34.700 And now he's trying to pretend like Kabul now gives the liberals license to say, just let anyone in.
00:04:40.960 It's tough over in Afghanistan.
00:04:42.900 Just let people in Afghanistan. 1.00
00:04:44.280 And oh, goodness.
00:04:46.740 That's something that that that I could could happen.
00:04:51.680 You could always have surprises, but they are they become immigration themed.
00:04:56.300 I do think this is an important topic.
00:04:58.400 Canadians increasingly are focused on this issue.
00:05:01.640 The sentiments in the polls that you see are often quite nuanced.
00:05:06.720 Often Canadians.
00:05:09.020 What's nuanced about it?
00:05:10.420 What's nuanced about 60 percent of people saying immigration is too high?
00:05:14.360 What is nuanced about that?
00:05:15.860 Yes, 60 percent of people aren't saying we want zero immigration, deport everybody, but like 500 select few people.
00:05:23.520 Yeah, people aren't calling for that.
00:05:25.180 But 60 percent of people wanting immigration to be lower is a very clear call to the government to lower immigration.
00:05:30.900 Put a cap on it.
00:05:31.680 I think we could probably reduce it by two thirds, if not more, because we don't have enough houses for the people who are currently in the country, let alone the next 500,000 who the liberals are probably going to have enter the country.
00:05:44.820 Even the permanent residents, temporary foreign workers, students, it's all way too high.
00:05:49.820 We have the lowest rate of people getting jobs after becoming unemployed within an economic quarter that we ever have had.
00:05:57.320 The idea that, oh, the immigrant, we need workers to come to Canada because these are jobs Canadians won't take for themselves. 0.98
00:06:03.960 What are you talking about?
00:06:05.580 Immigrants don't want these jobs either for minimum wage. 0.82
00:06:08.600 The problem if you're in Canada is that a lot of these jobs are only offered to you for $15 an hour, but an immigrant who comes from another country and takes that job gets the 15 an hour, plus they get another $3.50 or whatever the amount is that the government then throws in to incentivize the company to hire them, that they pay the immigrant even more so that they can hire these people at minimum wage. 0.56
00:06:30.020 They get a top-up from the federal government.
00:06:32.540 Anyone who would work a job who's especially around, like in their younger, who's in the university, would take a job for $18.50 an hour.
00:06:40.060 The problem is Canadians don't want to work for $15.00.
00:06:42.720 Immigrants don't want to work for $15.00. 1.00
00:06:44.320 They get paid more, actually.
00:06:46.540 Ugh, it's so obnoxious, this idea that, no, it's a nuanced issue.
00:06:51.120 It's not.
00:06:52.000 It's just not.
00:06:52.800 At some point, when an issue has gotten this bad, people aren't looking for just teasing around the corners of it, and actually I'm in favor of mass immigration if we just fix these two things. 0.86
00:07:03.840 No, people are just mad at the entire system for good reason.
00:07:07.560 When you dig into those numbers, to the extent the polls go into that level of granularity, are still very positive about immigration.
00:07:15.760 They don't want it done in an uncontrolled way and in a way that doesn't...
00:07:19.920 Then stop doing it uncontrolled way, Mark.
00:07:21.780 It doesn't make sense for the economy.
00:07:23.340 No one's saying you do have racism in this country, but I wouldn't ascribe that to all the sentiment and some...
00:07:31.000 Not all of it.
00:07:32.340 Not all the 60% of people are racist, but there's definitely some racist people in there.
00:07:37.340 If you're ever having an argument, not an argument, but just a discussion about immigration, and somebody seeks to imply that you're racist, just respond back. 1.00
00:07:46.940 No, you're an idiot. 1.00
00:07:48.160 If you think I'm racist for thinking that 1.3 million people entering the country cannot fit into 200,000 new homes, you're an idiot. 1.00
00:07:56.160 If you think I'm racist for thinking that there's a math problem there, goodness. 1.00
00:08:00.380 Some of the head scratching that you're seeing about the volumes that were coming in, those discussions that I have around the Christmas table with my relatives, those play themselves out on scale.
00:08:11.060 And you have a range of differing views.
00:08:12.520 And I think we have to be open enough as a country to have rational discussions about these things and not fall into sort of political dogmatism.
00:08:22.380 I'll include the link to that tweet if you guys want to go check it out.
00:08:27.800 Riley Donovan, an anti-immigration activist, not when I say anti-immigration, anti-mass immigration activist, put out that clip.
00:08:36.480 You guys should go check it out.
00:08:37.640 Obviously, it's from the Ryan Jesperson show, but he had highlighted this particularly terrible answer from Mark Miller.
00:08:43.700 It's such a limp thing to say.
00:08:45.220 You know, most Canadians are still positive about immigration.
00:08:48.600 Of course.
00:08:49.280 Yeah, no, people are anti the concept of immigration.
00:08:52.500 People are anti the way you guys are doing it.
00:08:55.120 People would be fine if these days it probably should just be like 100,000 people at most.
00:09:00.660 Temporary foreign workers, students, and permanent residents combined probably should be 100,000.
00:09:05.940 We need it to be way lower because we need housing prices to fall.
00:09:10.360 We need wages to go up.
00:09:11.960 We need it to be.
00:09:13.040 We also you can't import 4% of the country's population in a single year, 2% of the country's population in a single year.
00:09:20.820 And just expect that everyone's going to start, you know, acting like a Canadian.
00:09:25.420 If people come in too fast with too many people from an area of the country they used to be from, there's going to be a lot of people who have no incentive to go, like, you know, to learn the culture, to hang out with people, learn the way that other Canadians do things.
00:09:39.120 Yes, we don't have like a strong culture.
00:09:40.780 It's not like if you come here, it's like going to Japan or going to Finland or going to China or going to Thailand where there's a very strong local culture.
00:09:50.160 Sure, Canadian culture tends to be a little bit more mild, but there are certain ways we act, there are certain ways we do things.
00:09:56.500 And when you have way too many people come in from any country en masse, there's no incentive to ever integrate because in your city there might be 100,000 people from the exact place that you came from. 0.99
00:10:07.480 So why ever bother talking to anyone else from any other background? 0.98
00:10:10.860 You can just hang out with people exactly like yourself who have the exact same home culture.
00:10:15.980 That's a big problem.
00:10:17.220 And that is something that the immigration system right now is playing into.
00:10:21.640 We don't really have that idea that everyone comes in here and, you know, it's a culture mosaic and we all hang out.
00:10:27.380 We actually don't really hang out as much these days.
00:10:29.580 And it's because of the mass immigration system disincentivizing everybody to kind of like talk to each other and share cultures and whatnot, that your block has people from 17 different parts of the world on it, but you're all Canadian.
00:10:42.640 Now it's like everyone on your blocks in certain parts of cities, everyone's from India.
00:10:46.860 Everyone's from a Central Asian country.
00:10:48.740 That's not healthy.
00:10:50.000 It's better that, you know, that guy's German, that guy's Indian, that guy's Italian, that guy's British, that guy's from Thailand, that guy's Chinese. 0.53
00:10:56.580 That's better than just having parts of a city turn into basically just different ethnic sections.
00:11:03.100 That's not healthy for a country like Canada to be split up that way.
00:11:07.180 Anyways, going on a bit of a rant here.
00:11:09.540 That should be it.
00:11:10.540 Again, the link to that tweet's in the description below.
00:11:13.460 If you guys want to donate to the legal fund, my Give, Send, Go link is also in the description below.
00:11:19.320 Anything you can contribute really helps us out.
00:11:21.360 But fighting back against a Chinese billionaire, suing us for defamation that in over two and a half years he hasn't been able to provide a shred of evidence for to claim that we somehow defamed him.
00:11:32.880 Whatever.
00:11:33.480 Just how the legal system in Canada works. 0.94
00:11:35.740 You can sue over anything and it takes years for a judge to step in and say this is completely ridiculous.
00:11:41.420 Anyways, that should be it for me today, guys.
00:11:44.100 Have a good one.
00:11:44.760 Have a good one.