The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Liberals FAIL in making excuses for Carney's ＂cringey＂ Trump meeting

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. I have a suggestion for the liberals in the media who wish to spin

00:00:06.520 for Prime Minister Mark Carney and the liberal government. Sometimes you just have to take the

00:00:13.140 L. Mark Carney's recent visit to the Oval Office to meet with U.S. President Donald Trump was

00:00:19.120 objectively embarrassing. We already had an Oval Office meeting back in June, and we did an okay

00:00:26.400 job back then because Carney kept it light. It sounded like he was going to be willing to engage

00:00:31.680 in negotiations to get a trade deal, and then he went very quickly back into elbows-up mode,

00:00:37.660 tried to pass the digital services tax. The Trump administration pressured him out of it.

00:00:43.120 They put counter tariffs on USMCA-compliant goods coming into Canada from the U.S., 0.93

00:00:47.960 and they had to ratchet that back because we looked really stupid when the U.S. wasn't even doing that 0.95

00:00:52.400 to us. And now we are back in the Oval Office recently, basically just trying to get back to 0.96

00:00:58.520 the table, in which we're having to make more concessions, like saying we will invest another

00:01:02.920 trillion dollars into the U.S. economy over some period of time, and we will also commit to new

00:01:09.440 defense commitments that the U.S. wants us to do. And some of those things, like higher defense

00:01:14.480 spending, isn't even necessarily bad. But from a rhetorical standpoint, from negotiating from a

00:01:20.000 place of strength, this has all been bad. It's just objectively bad. We should have been here,

00:01:26.560 we should have been trying to get a deal months ago, but we were too busy butzing around, doing

00:01:32.280 nothing, talking tough, and actually not actually putting anything on the table to put on as a

00:01:38.180 concession or making any threats. And now we're in the position where we're simply having to basically

00:01:42.800 give stuff up just to talk. And we still have people in the mainstream media, oftentimes liberal

00:01:49.160 commentators, it's kind of their job to give a liberal perspective on these things. But trying

00:01:54.040 to spin so hard to the point, it's just self-defeating. Here was Greg McEachern on power and politics,

00:02:01.400 trying to put some shine onto this meeting, and honestly just doing a terrible job. I think even

00:02:08.120 if you're a liberal watching this, you feel like, hey, come on, really tell me your actual opinion,

00:02:13.640 stop giving me spin. Greg, I'll start with you. How do you think the Prime Minister did this week in

00:02:18.200 Washington? He was quite complimentary of the President at some points during that Oval Office

00:02:23.000 sit-down, but there's still no deal. What did you take away from that trip?

00:02:27.560 Well, it really depends on the lens that you looked at it through. I mean, if you're Pierre

00:02:31.800 Polyev, it was probably a colossal failure. I haven't bothered to check, but it just, I'm

00:02:36.280 probably assuming that I'm correct there. If you compare it, though, to the previous visit,

00:02:41.080 it was excellent. Oh, if you compare it to the previous visit, you know, before we had been

00:02:47.560 embarrassed, you know, just a good sit-down chat, they looked like they got along. That one was not

00:02:53.160 good, apparently. And this one, relative to it, was excellent. Oh, but you'd only think this was

00:02:59.560 really bad and a disaster if you were that horrible, mean, horrible guy, Pierre Polyev. 1.00

00:03:05.880 It's such a stupid way of framing this. Basically, Greg McKecker is trying to signal to people out 1.00

00:03:11.040 there that, hey, if you think that that was a bad meeting, if it was embarrassing seeing Mark Carney

00:03:15.920 go back on all of his elbows up rhetoric and trying to depraise, praising of Donald Trump and trying to

00:03:21.540 be super nice and like, you know, very submissive, even though in a certain sense, I actually agree,

00:03:26.940 hey, Trump, you know, let him, let him be a big personality, try and get along with him,

00:03:31.760 trade some jokes with him. You should be doing that. But based on how he ran the last election

00:03:36.620 campaign to his own base, this should seem embarrassing. But no, Greg McKecker is here

00:03:41.680 to tell you if you're a liberal, hey, don't find this embarrassing, or I'm going to basically say

00:03:46.260 that you must be agreeing with Pierre Polyev. You must be like Pierre Polyev if you thought that

00:03:51.240 objectively embarrassing meeting was embarrassing. It wasn't objectively embarrassing. There's nothing

00:03:57.900 that Greg McKecker can say that's going to somehow like shed some new light on it. Oh,

00:04:03.280 I didn't think of it that way. I didn't realize that Carney falling on his face in a puddle of mud

00:04:08.400 was actually a good move here. Compare it to some of the other world leaders who have gone to the

00:04:13.520 Oval Office. It was excellent. But there was a, you know, a moment, I think Anne McGrath was on a panel

00:04:19.780 earlier this week, and she used the cringe word. And if I'm looking at it, you know, from the point of view

00:04:25.400 of a proud Canadian or as, you know, a supporter of the Liberal Party, you know, there is a cringe

00:04:31.420 factor there as well. So I thought it was an excellent meeting, Greg. I thought it was an excellent

00:04:37.440 meeting. I don't usually call excellent meetings cringeworthy. So it's like he's having to first

00:04:43.620 hit you with the, well, don't think it's a disaster, because that would be Polyev-like. 1.00

00:04:47.820 It was an excellent meeting. Hey, because Greg knows that internally, you know, that's not true. And it was

00:04:52.980 really weird. There's just the way that Carney was acting and how just passive he was. It was

00:04:57.860 cringeworthy. Okay, it was a little bit. But remember, it was still an excellent meeting. There

00:05:03.060 was a cringey element to it. So I'm agreeing with you, the feelings I know you have. But at the end

00:05:08.140 of the day, don't worry, somehow mission accomplished, roll out the banner, because something happened and

00:05:14.160 it was somehow good for Carney. I don't know what we had to make a bunch of commitments to get

00:05:19.420 nothing. We still don't have a deal. But it was somehow excellent.

00:05:24.360 But I'm also mindful that at some point, whether it's true or not, the fact that Trudeau got under

00:05:31.420 the president's skin was used against him by, you know, the opposition parties. So, you know, it is a

00:05:38.120 it's a tough, it's a tough audience to negotiate. It was a used against Trudeau that he got under

00:05:43.420 Trump's skin. Or it's just a stupid move when you're Canada, and they're America. And we obviously 1.00

00:05:49.420 don't have as much trade negotiating muscle. And Carney has completely gotten rid of all of our

00:05:55.980 muscle for negotiating, because we've had to walk back so many of the moves we've made.

00:06:00.780 We look like a very unsure opponent in this negotiation. And we've proven ourselves to be weak

00:06:07.620 and willing to roll back any retaliatory moves we make. In fact, I always thought from the beginning,

00:06:12.460 we just need to come to a win-win scenario. We don't have to have any tariffs and counter tariffs.

00:06:17.380 We just need to hit them early with what our offer was, you know, make a concession, make a threat,

00:06:22.640 both at the same time, maybe, you know, saying, hey, we are willing to get rid of supply management

00:06:26.820 if you'll go down to zero tariffs. But if you don't, we will have to do this. That's an actual

00:06:31.640 negotiation. Based on all of the intel I've gotten from people who are aware of it, it's not like

00:06:37.800 Canada was unwilling to basically put anything on the table, because Carney wouldn't let them. So

00:06:42.760 LeBlanc had to walk into the room, Dominic LeBlanc, basically just saying, like, what I've been

00:06:47.860 basically saying as a satirical version of it, hey, guys, we're like PB&J, why can't we just get

00:06:54.680 along? Why don't you just lower the tariffs for free, for nothing? And they just say no. And we've

00:07:00.040 been tariffing them for decades with the supply management stuff, not letting in dairy and poultry

00:07:04.320 and other products into Canada without a tariff. And now we're acting like it's unfair,

00:07:09.500 which is ticking them off. Even if I don't like their tariffs on us, we have to be realistic if

00:07:14.360 we want to get to a real deal. But then you have people like Greg McEachern here, who aren't willing

00:07:18.820 to look at this realistically. And he's basically just trying to satiate the feelings of liberal

00:07:23.760 supporters who know it was a bad meeting, but they just want to be told it was good anyways.

00:07:28.960 You know, broadly, but the big one in the in the Oval Office is a really tough one.

00:07:33.800 I will say this, though, JP, one of the big problems, though, is one of the lenses that you

00:07:38.860 have to look at this through is the spin that came out last week. So Mel and Fred and I were

00:07:44.660 about to go on air when, you know, there was some word that there was going to be a deal on steel.

00:07:50.340 And I think, you know, the folks at the centre need to take a look at whether or not they helped

00:07:57.300 that trip and the view of that trip by raising expectations unnecessarily. I think overall,

00:08:04.040 in terms of, you know, take the cringe factor away, it was a good meeting and things continue

00:08:10.240 to move forward.

00:08:11.100 Yeah. If you take all the crappy parts away, if you take the crap out of the crap sandwich, 0.99

00:08:16.540 the sandwich is less crappy. It's like, well, wow, what a what a concept, Greg. If we just 0.99

00:08:21.800 ignore the bad parts, it was quite good. No, it wasn't. We didn't get anything. I don't even

00:08:26.600 know what we got forward. And, you know, things didn't blow up as we've seen that have happened

00:08:31.460 with other leaders. But, you know, you have to be very careful when your own people are setting

00:08:35.440 expectations. You know, there's a there's a lot of value attributed to that. There's a lot of

00:08:41.420 expectations, you know, that that you are giving us. And something something went awry there.

00:08:48.980 Okay, so so guys, I'm focusing so much on with on the Greg McEachern guy in the video today,

00:08:55.760 because I love how inconsistent this is. Oh, if you thought it was a disaster, you're probably

00:09:02.120 pure poly of because of course, he thinks that he sets the tail of that poisons the well against

00:09:07.180 anyone who object who saw that meeting as objectively bad. Oh, you're just some pure poly of partisan.

00:09:13.960 If you think it was bad, it was excellent. Well, it was cringe, cringe worthy. But it was excellent

00:09:20.460 compared to other meetings. Well, yeah, they did set expectations too high. Yeah, you know, overall,

00:09:27.620 you can't over promise and under deliver and meetings. What was the last thing he just said

00:09:32.260 there? I think this is the last one value attributed to that. There's a lot of expectations,

00:09:38.480 you know, that that you were giving us. And something something went awry there.

00:09:43.820 Okay, so we go through all if Oh, if you think it was a disaster, you're some pure poly of partisan.

00:09:50.780 It was excellent. Yeah, it was cringe worthy. But it was still excellent compared to other world leaders.

00:09:55.980 Well, yeah, they did set expectations too high and things went awry. But remember that meeting was

00:10:01.860 excellent. Like, just spin less, talk less, and you'll do Mark Carney more favors. But now I want

00:10:09.120 to jump over to another clip that was on CTV News recently, where they're going over the polls.

00:10:14.120 And I like whenever they have to highlight things that frankly don't matter when it comes to the

00:10:19.500 polling. The polling is objectively not going very well for Mark Carney. Nano's numbers were the last

00:10:26.080 poll that were giving them a significant lead. Now they're within the margin of error in the latest

00:10:31.580 nano's poll. 39.1 liberal to 37.9 conservative with 11.5 for the NDP. Are the liberals still

00:10:40.020 nationally ahead? Sure. On seat projections, conservatives actually win. And the thing is

00:10:45.200 that, yeah, of course, Mark Carney still has a positive approval rating. He's too boring to be

00:10:49.820 hated. But they're using this as like the silver lining. Well, you know, Carney is still more like

00:10:57.180 than Paulia. Okay, well, more people would elect conservatives in their local writing. So what's

00:11:02.160 your point? While it's support for the liberals and conservatives, Nano says the two parties are at a

00:11:07.580 statistical dead heat. The conservatives are making considerable gains, jumping five points recently.

00:11:14.660 Rewind back to before. And you know, that 33% optimism was only about, I think, seven or 8%

00:11:21.100 optimism. And you know, this, this speaks to the fact that Justin Trudeau was a negative lightning rod

00:11:28.480 for the liberal party. And Canadians writ large were just not optimistic. They were not satisfied

00:11:35.860 with the Trudeau government. Many Canadians back then were either pessimistic or angry.

00:11:41.040 Solid support for the liberals.

00:11:42.640 I love how they have Nick Nanos on who, and again, I don't think he, he doesn't ring his numbers in

00:11:48.300 any way. I sometimes don't like the methodology they use at times, but you can still track their

00:11:53.540 polls over time. And at least if they have the consistent methodology, you'll get the feeling

00:11:58.080 of momentum, whether it's going in this direction or that direction. And still CTV news and Nick Nanos

00:12:03.960 are still basically having to say, well, it's better than Trudeau was in 2023.

00:12:07.640 Better than Trudeau in 2023. What kind of, what kind of baseline are we using here?

00:12:15.120 The thing about Mark Carney's current position is that it's so early. It's so early for having Mark

00:12:21.740 Carney falling off this hard. He should be massively ahead in the national polls, in the party side.

00:12:28.780 And then of course, you're going to have a positive approval rating. You're a new prime minister that

00:12:32.240 not enough people really know well enough to hate you. Even when Trudeau,

00:12:37.420 liberals started falling behind in 2018 and 2019 behind the conservatives in many of the polls,

00:12:44.380 Trudeau still genuinely had a positive approval rating because it was his first term and people

00:12:49.580 are willing to think nice things of you on a personal level in your first term until they feel

00:12:54.200 like you're personally malicious. Canadians are going to be nice and say, oh, he's probably an okay guy.

00:12:58.980 Are you going to vote for his party? No, but you know, he's probably a nice guy. And the media is

00:13:04.200 still pushing the idea. Well, you know, and you even have this in the, the, the little post that

00:13:10.160 CBC watch or who's a great account on X put up. And it says, well, Carney has a, I love that what he

00:13:19.900 says here. Liberals ran away from Trudeau, but just couldn't run the disaster caused by Trudeau's

00:13:24.440 policies. Quote, Nano says the two parties are in a statistical dead heat. Unquote. Quote, you know,

00:13:29.900 this speaks to the fact that Justin Trudeau is a negative lightning rod for the liberal party.

00:13:33.640 And then it's, he, then he goes on to say, Carney was the rap over the liberal jalopy with the

00:13:41.800 promise of stellar negotiating skills, skills that have been demonstrated through, demonstrably

00:13:47.400 proven. Something about this is, is kind of worded weird. Skills that have demonstrated through

00:13:55.140 those promises illusory as the cheap rapids melted over. There was something weird there. Okay.

00:14:01.520 I did, I did get his point there though, that yeah, like the idea that they're still talking

00:14:06.940 about now they're almost trying to invoke Trudeau's name to try and put some shine on

00:14:11.080 Carney here. Like not as bad. Okay. No doubt in the future, I'm going to bring up more liberals

00:14:17.760 trying to talk good, you know, trying to pretend what Carney's been doing on trade has been good.

00:14:24.280 It hasn't been. And the more they have to reach, the more they're just proving that Carney's

00:14:29.380 performance so far has been fairly dull. But anyways, that should be it for this video guys.

00:14:35.520 If you live in the city of Calgary, one, make sure you vote for Sonia Sharp and get a lawn

00:14:39.500 signed for her. But also I'm going to be releasing my Alberta municipal selections or my endorsements

00:14:46.860 in the next couple of days here. We're past early voting, early voting in Calgary is pretty sluggish

00:14:52.540 so far, which is great because I do feel like a lot of people are fired up for voting for Sonia,

00:14:57.220 but not the other candidates. But I'm going to be doing a list of people I endorse from mayor,

00:15:02.880 counselors, school board trustees, and then I'll probably throw in some mayors for other 1.00

00:15:07.120 cities and towns. So in like Medicine Hat, I endorsed Drew Barnes. In Edmonton, I guess I endorsed

00:15:14.060 Raheem Jaffer. Tim Cartmel is closer to Andrew Knack, but that's a race where 50% of people are undecided

00:15:22.600 and everything is shifting around a lot. I think that the problem is everyone's going to be stuck

00:15:27.160 with Andrew Knack in Edmonton. And then I'll try and endorse some people in other towns. You'll just

00:15:31.420 have to scroll down to see if I got to your town. Probably not. There are a lot of municipalities in

00:15:36.780 this province and I do not have the time of day to pay attention to them all. Maybe next time I do

00:15:41.760 something like this, maybe even in another province, I'd love for people to send me recommendations

00:15:46.380 and evidence that this person can actually win and that they're actually conservative.

00:15:49.840 And I'll try and make selections based on that. But anyways, with that all being said,

00:15:55.000 thank you for watching guys. Make sure to like the video, subscribe to the channel,

00:15:58.880 share my content, leave a comment, do all that great stuff. And I will see you guys all later.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - October 13, 2025

Liberals FAIL in making excuses for Carney's ＂cringey＂ Trump meeting

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