Liberals' fake patriotism games hurting Canadians with trade war (ft. Greg Staley)
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Greg Staley of Diverge Media joins me to discuss the impending trade war between the United States and Canada. We discuss what to expect from the trade war, what to do about it, and why we should be worried about it.
Transcript
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Hey guys, welcome back to the Wyatt Claypool Show. Everything's insane right now with the coming
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trade war between the U.S. and Canada, and to break it down with me, I am bringing on Greg
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Staley from Diverge Media. We are of like minds on this issue, but Greg is a far better research
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than I, and so we're going to be doing a video where part one is on my channel and part two will
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be linked in the description below and pinned to the top of the comments on Diverge Media's channel,
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so I encourage you guys to watch this conversation here, and then when we transition to other topics,
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it will be on Greg's channel. Well worth the subscription to his channel, but Greg, how are
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you doing? How is the trade war treating you so far? Or I guess it doesn't start till Tuesday, so.
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Yeah, it's early yet. We don't know what it's actually going to look like, but
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all the rhetoric from our leaders is not promising. If you understand how tariffs work and you
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understand this, you know, I get the idea of like, oh, a bully's punching you, like the way
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they're framing it, right? If somebody's hitting you, you hit them back. What they don't tell you
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is it's kind of like a boxer punching themselves in the face with an uppercut when they go to swing
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at the other opponent. They're just going, they knock themselves in the teeth. That's kind of what
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we're proposing here from our premieres. By punching ourselves in the face, we'll get back
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at the enemy. And why I am naming this part of the video the Liberals' fake patriotism game is
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because that's what's going on right now. It feels like the Liberals and other Liberal-like
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politicians like Doug Ford are using a fight like Donald Trump to push up their own popularity.
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That if you're pro-Canada, well, now you have to be pro-Trudeau Liberal because they're representing
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Canada. Doug Ford represents Canada. So how could you dislike Doug Ford? You can't agree with Trump,
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even though he's technically right on a bunch of stuff. And I don't agree with Trump putting on
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the tariffs. But I don't want to divorce myself from the reality that we don't do a good job on
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board security or port security. But I'm going to start with this and then we can discuss a little bit
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as we go on. Anita Anand, our Minister of Transportation and International Trade,
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who has blocked me, by the way. I just wanted to use her profile here just to demonstrate
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why we're not taken seriously. So she's retweeted Jonathan Wilkinson here, Liberal MP and Minister,
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saying, Canada has done nothing to provoke tariffs. But I want to reassure each and every Canadian,
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no matter who you are or where you live, we are prepared and ready to fight for you.
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We will always be your champions. And then I just want to get to this post too, where
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it's Anita Anand at a Toronto trade event. And she says,
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today I met with the Committee on International Trade in Toronto. We discussed the Canadian Free
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Trade Agreement, mutual recognition, labor mobility and other secretarial priorities that will cut
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red tape and make it easier to do business within Canada. We are committed to kickstarting. And then
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it goes on about all the great things they're going to do for Canada's economy.
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I don't believe them. You've lived in the same country as I have, Greg. How has the government
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in the province that you used to live, Ontario, done to make Canada's business community more robust?
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Yeah. Yeah, I know. We've had nine years of the Trudeau Liberals. And really, with the Ontario
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government, you've had a continuation of the Kathleen Wynne Liberal policies. I mean, Doug Ford ran on
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rhetoric of the Conservatives. He ran on cuts for the middle class. He ran on what most Conservatives
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still want, and then quickly ran to the Liberal side of the aisle with his policies. He's DEI Doug.
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He's pushing all the same woke rhetoric through our schools. He's pushing all the same corporate welfare
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that you would have seen under the Liberals, just with different winners and losers. There's really
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no marketable change. Their deficit, actually, Fraser Institute posted this, and I put it up on Twitter.
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If we would have just kept the same per capita spending under Doug Ford as we had under Kathleen Wynne,
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there would actually be $24 billion less debt in Ontario than there currently is. So this idea that
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Doug Ford is some bastion of fiscal conservatism or a conservative in any way, shape, or form
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is so far removed from the truth. He's very good with rhetoric. He knows what Conservatives want to hear.
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But when it comes down to policies, he says one thing to your face, then he puts on his red suit,
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and he joins the Liberals, and he goes and does whatever they would have done on steroids. That's
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what we've seen out of the Liberals. And I mean, of course, conservatives.
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Yeah. And the thing is, what I get so annoyed with, with this whole tariff situation, is how
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un-nuanced people want to be. Again, I don't actually think Trump is fully right about the trade
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deficit. Trade deficits don't really matter. Obviously, the US brings in more Canadian
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products than Canada brings in US products because they get so many raw materials from us
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because we are a cheap country to extract raw materials from. We're obviously not going to
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send them minerals and then buy minerals back from them. There's always going to be a trade imbalance.
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There's no such thing as a fair trade deal. And it's not because it's always going to be unfair
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for one side. It's always fair for both sides if one side is getting one thing cheaper than they
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could have done themselves. And the other side is getting things in exchange for that. It's fair
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for both sides. So I reject Trump. It's Trump's idea that trade is unfair if the US imports more than
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they export. That's just how trade works. If one country like China is doing something cheaper than
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America can do, that makes sense that you're getting more from them. I'm in favor of tariffs on
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countries that are up to no good like China. But that's a different conversation. But on the Canadian
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side, I even see Canadian conservatives, not even fake conservatives like Doug Ford, but like real
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orthodox conservatives doing this pantomime that, well, Trump doesn't actually have a real reason to tear
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up us like kind of does. I still disagree with it being done at the speed he's been doing it. But I think
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Trump is running up against the fact that he thinks that his presidency is going to become very cooled off in
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two years after the midterms. And so he's moving way faster than I think is appropriate to. But at the
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same time, the way not to monologue too much the way the Canadian politicians are treating this is
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that because Trump told us to get our ports under control and get the border under control, then it's
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not actually a serious issue because Trump asked us.
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Yeah. And to that point, there is nothing that isn't beneficial in Canada's interest or in Ontario's
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interest or any of the provinces for that matter, shoring up the border and ensuring that illicit
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drugs, illicit guns, all sorts of illicit crime doesn't happen through our border. If it benefits the
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United States, it benefits Canada. But to act as though, again, from Trump's standpoint, like this trade
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imbalance conversation is so misguided. Of course, a country of 40 million people is not going to need
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as many cars, for instance, as America is going to buy. So why would there be an imbalance there? Of
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course, 40 million people aren't going to be able to purchase as many cars as 300 plus million people
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are. So of course, you're going to see imbalances. But the benefits of trade and the integration is
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numerous. And that should be what's focused on. And I just want to point out, you're in very good
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company when it comes to your thoughts on trade and tariffs, because Harvard educated economist
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Thomas Sowell has very similar opinions on this. In fact, criticized Trump in his first, his first
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bout as president, because of the tariffs that he's presenting and talked about how it would hurt
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Americans. So back to this idea, again, that Canada is putting on this rhetoric that we need to fight the
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Americans are the best thing we can do. As we had this conversation, you know, off air, a couple days
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ago on the phone is like, let's make Canada a super competitive business environment. Let's make
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this the go place, a go to place to do business. Let's make it cheap, affordable. And let's become
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super competitive. But the last thing we should be doing is punishing Canadians by pretending we're
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fighting for them and putting on retaliatory tariffs that are going to hurt us in the process.
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Make no mistake about it, these tariffs America's putting on, Americans are going to see that in this
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idea of American affordability that Trump's pushed, it's going to come home to ruse with these tariffs
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And I will get accused of, oh, you're siding with Trump. And I think both of us are of a same mind
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on this, just as you like inferred there before, that I'm like a Canadian patriot, you are a Canadian
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patriot, I am not a nationalist, in the sense that I would consider the difference between patriotism
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and nationalism is nationalism is we should, we're always right, we should always win, and all stuff like
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that, where patriotism is I want my country to be better in the best way possible for the long run.
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And I see people saying, see, this is why trading with the US was always bad, because now they have
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leverage on us and whatnot. It's like, guys, we have not been losing jobs to the Americans, we have not
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been getting hurt by the Americans by trading with them. We've always been hurt by our own bad domestic
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policy. If the Trump administration put a 25% tariff on us, but we didn't have sky high business and
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income and personal income taxes in this country, it would have put us in a position where we would be
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less worse off than we are today. But pre tariff, our pre tariff economic condition already sucks.
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And I just want to reference this quick before I get to some other people's takes on social media
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for us to talk about. But this is a report from September 29, 2023. BC mayor sounds alarm over rampant
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crime at local port as expansion looms. And it says City of Delta report says CBSA checks less than
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1% of container traffic coming through regional ports. And I even just had a disagreement right
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before you came on the show with Anthony Koch on X, who I usually agree with Anthony Koch like 95% of the
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time. But he says, he said in response to me, well, how many containers do US port authorities check?
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And I was just thinking it does it literally doesn't matter. The whole point is that Trump
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and the US administration has a point that we don't really take this stuff seriously. Frank
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Vaughn has been doing great videos showing that CSIS reports that have been declassified from the 90s
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were saying that the government, the CCP governments in China were basically working with Chinese triads to
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get drug products into Canada then to be made into street drugs to then be sold in Canada and the US.
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And Canada is the easiest place that they identified to get it through. So maybe they
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don't check any of the containers in Canada. But at the end of the day, when it comes to politics,
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that doesn't matter. We what we should have done and what my approach on Trump would have been
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is what we would have done was what Scott Moe and Daniel Smith have done.
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Ramp up border security, then call their bluff, ramp up military spending, ramp up border security
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federally, then call Trump's bluff. And if Trump says, I'm doing the 25% tariff anyways,
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guess what? Now he is the villain to all of the states that mostly trade with Canada. And it's
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the majority of the states that their biggest export and import market is with Canada. That's
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where you call his bluff. And now he looks bad for the midterms. You have to play the American political
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game just as much as you play the Canadian political game. But I find Canadian politicians
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are only focused on what makes them look good to Canadian voters in the short run.
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Yeah, that's a good way to say it. Because again, it's not about winning the battle. We're looking
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at a war. And so if you want to win the battle, and you want to look good for the next election,
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that's great. But you're going to hurt Canadians in the long run. And in terms of calling his bluff,
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I it is long graded on me, it's been uncomfortable watching Canadian leaders. Like, I've said this
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numerous times, Trump has a big ego. I'm not knocking on one way or another. But like,
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why would you pick a public fight with a guy? Go do the things that are good for Canadians,
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and then have those conversations behind closed doors. But now you're goading him
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into a public tariff war, or guess what, he's going to feel the need to win, which means to
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the detriment of Canadians. And you have pushed that through your rhetoric by essentially saying,
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well, we're not going to stand for it. We're fighting. Just relax. Have those conversations
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behind closed doors. Don't make it a public war.
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Yeah, they're treating it like compliance with what Trump wants is like a fundamental spiritual
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Canadian sin. And it's like, guys, Columbia did it, and they don't have tariffs on them.
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And you could say, well, that's not what a country is all about. You have to have patriotism and pride.
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You can't just do what the Americans want. I'm not even saying that. Like, I'm just saying that,
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guys, you got caught with your pants down, that you weren't doing proper border security,
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that the Americans have been flipping your security bill for the military for decades at this point.
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You got caught with your pants down. He called you out in a way that I didn't think was appropriate.
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But what are you going to do? Pretend that you didn't? Because that's where we're kind of at.
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And I just want to jump over to this post that this Andrew Perez guy made. He was the one who,
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by the way, the other day, tried to accuse Firopoli in December of being a sexist or disagreeing
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with that female reporter. And so I just want to read what his take is. I'm not going to go through
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all of it. But I find this is, again, the patriotism game that's being played that I find to be quite
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gross. So Andrew Perez says, I don't care if you're a New Democrat, Liberal, Conservative,
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Green or Quebec Sovereignist. We must now come together to project a united approach
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as Canadians in light of the Trump tariffs. These tariffs could cripple our national economy,
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leading to an economic depression that hits Canadian workers and their families hard.
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Canada was thrust into a wartime era today, albeit a trade war, not one involving combat and death.
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The economic impacts of the trade war could far eclipse the economic fallout withstood
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throughout the 2008-2009 Great Recession and the more recent COVID-19 pandemic. Now,
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it's not the time for partisanship and further polarization in our country. We'll get through this,
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Canada, but not through dividing our people and playing partisan politics. I sincerely hope our
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political leaders are up to the Herculean task. The livelihoods of millions of hard-working
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Canadians hang in the balance. I broke my promise. I did read that whole thing.
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Can we just clarify the framing? If you don't agree with Trudeau's approach,
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If you don't agree with how we go, then you're not a part of Team Canada. You're fundamentally opposed
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to Team Canada. You don't agree with the liberal approach to this.
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Yeah, it's part... The BC Conservatives have honestly been doing an A++ job on this.
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They are calling out David Eby saying, you know your province is rife with drugs, just
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strewn with illegal drugs, including drugs provided by the government. You know that the Port Authority is
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not actually looking into these shipping containers. You've been the one destroying the economy over the
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past few years, and now you're going to say it's Trump's fault? We don't even agree exactly with
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what Trump's doing, but that's the fakeness of Team Canada. Team Canada is helping Doug Ford get
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reelected. Team Canada is forgiving the liberals and voting for Mark Carney. Team Canada is ignoring the
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man behind the curtain in British Columbia's drug problems, which is David Eby and the BCNDP,
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and it's saying that actually it's very nasty and bad that Trump called us out for having our pants down.
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And it's like, that's what's kind of going on here. Yeah. Now, Sam Cooper has done a very good
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job of exposing exactly what's going on through the BC ports and through essentially money laundering
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in the Canadian system. So to act as though these things aren't legitimate problems is a farce.
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Then again, back to this 1% of containers being checked. Again, you're going to make a comparison
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to the United States. It doesn't matter what they're doing. If you're looking at it objectively from a
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Canadian standpoint, we should want as many things being checked as possible to ensure
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that Canadians aren't facing illicit drugs, crime going through our ports. We should have a legal
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and lawful system. We should be ensuring that happens. But look, Greg, look at this video of
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Justin Trudeau nodding his head and talking to people from Unifor. Look at it. Look at that. He's
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not even looking at that man in the eyes, but forget about that. And this is what the entire trade war,
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patriotism farce, is all about. We're standing up for Canadian workers. We're doing what needs to
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get done. And then Trudeau is also posting stuff like this. And thanks, King of Bay Street and some
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guy from Dragon's Den. Tariffs would be bad for business on both sides of the border. Glad you're
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on Team Canada standing up for Canada, or on the team standing up for Canada. And he says,
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no one on either side of the border wants to see American tariffs on Canadian goods. I met with our
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Canadian U.S. Council today. We're working hard to prevent these terrorists. But if the United
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States moves ahead, Canada is ready with a forceful and immediate response. And it's like, oh, my
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goodness, guys, I know you're not. The thing was what they did on the border is that while Smith was
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actually ramping up border security, got 10 cold weather drones on the border, 50 new sheriffs,
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all this stuff, probably had to transfer some people from other policing departments
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to the border because it is an emergency in terms of the incoming trade war.
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She actually did her job. Trudeau releases a plan. And haven't we seen this so many times,
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the way the Liberals put forward a plan to crack down on this or that in terms of crime or drugs?
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Yeah. And I think Trump had commented about that in a press conference where he essentially stated
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it was not him particularly. I guess their equivalent of a minister was talking about it.
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It's not just the rhetoric around it saying we will do this. It's also the execution was their point.
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So you can have a plan as the Liberals have presented, just like they had a liberal housing
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plan and a plan for the middle class. And we see how all those plans panned out just like they had a
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plan to balance the budget, AKA it will balance itself. Like this doesn't work. You need to execute
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what you say. Words don't matter. And you're getting called out essentially by the Americans
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and say, you can say whatever nice things you want to say, show us results. And if you're not
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going to show us results, this is going to continue. Now, I don't agree with it. I think it hurts Americans.
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It's going to hurt Canadians in the process, especially if we go the retaliatory route.
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But this is where we're at. And you need to face things as they are, not as you wish they would be.
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Well, I thought I was blown away. Melanie Jolie, our foreign affairs minister, shows up to talk to
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American senators. I don't need to show that on screen, but she starts meeting with mostly Democrats,
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of course, but just starts meeting with a bunch of random senators, taking photos with them. We talked
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about Canada and U.S.'s shared commitment on this or that. It's like, why are you doing this three days
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before February 1st? Why? This is so pathetic that you're doing this, like, last minute, pretending
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like you cave a crap. These people never took a second to say, Trump wants us to work on border
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security. Well, let's sit down and let's also talk about where the U.S. needs to ramp up border
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security. By the way, the U.S. is ramping up border security at the same time, because it's not like
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Donald Trump thought Joe Biden was doing a good job. That was his entire campaign, that the U.S.
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domestic administration sucked at border security as well. So this is actually one of those things
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where Canada could have easily, if we didn't want to immediately jump into anti-American Canadian
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politics, which fair enough, it's a big vote getter sometimes. Without jumping into anti-American
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politics, we could have just done a win-win thing where America called us out, but we're calling you
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guys out too. But we'll agree we'll get the border secured, but you guys got to do it as soon as you
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take office as well, Trump. Would have been good. Would have been very good. And we could have talked
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about all the guns and whatnot that are going to Somali gangs in downtown Toronto and other rural
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gangs around Canada. We could easily look tough while also doing what they said. We could have said,
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okay, we'll do this, but you have to give us that. It would have looked like a one-to-one issue
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that, okay, yes, we weren't doing this, but you guys weren't doing this. Right now, like I keep saying,
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it looks like we got caught with our pants down and we want to keep yelling. No, we didn't.
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No, we didn't. No, we didn't until the tariffs finally probably are going to make us comply.
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And again, I'm monologuing a bit, but Trump said in response to the Canadian government saying,
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we'll put one dollar for dollar tariffs on you. He said, well, I'll raise to 35% then. I'm like,
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okay, thanks for spiraling us into the skies. And it's not like, oh, do you not think that Canada
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should respond proportionally? We can't. We are not a proportionally sized economy. I'm sorry. I'm not
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anti-Canadian for recognizing we're 10 times smaller than them. And this is the conversation
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I've been having behind closed doors with people. It's like, okay, can we hurt Americans? Yes. Can
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they hurt us? Yes. Can we go as long as they can in a terror form? Absolutely not. It's not even close.
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So why go down that path to begin with? Like, can we hurt Americans? Yes. Is that the response you
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want where you go tit for tat? Because they're going to win the war. They got a longer and deeper
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pocket than we do. And so it's just a matter of time. Like, why would you go down that road? And
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then go back to your idea. This could have been collaborative. None of this should have been
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happening in the public eye. It should have been behind closed doors. Hey, like we agree. Maybe we
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have dropped the ball here on this issue and we've let it go by the wayside too long. Thanks for pointing
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it out. Here's how we can have a collaborative approach. We see some of these issues on the US side
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that affect us. Maybe you do this. And then if it doesn't happen in a collaborative way behind
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closed doors, that's when it should be leaked to the public. But this, again, is a political issue
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where they can benefit off the idea that I'm going to stand up for Ontario or I'm going to stand up for
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Canada and we will fight for you. And you're so right about that. What you do is you negotiate in
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good faith. And if they're not, you collect all that information and you dump it in front of the public.
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Because again, the Republicans could get easily hurt in midterm elections along the border with
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Canada, with all those states that do a lot of trade with Canada, including all the way down to
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Louisiana. Their main export import market is still Canada. What you do is that if you were acting in
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good faith and you were doing everything that seemed reasonable to do and they weren't, then you can
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basically dump that onto American voters and say, your president is about to make all your goods in
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Oregon and Washington and Idaho and Montana, way more expensive. There are vulnerable congressional
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seats for Republicans in those states. There is like the county I sometimes go to in Flathead
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Valley in Montana. That's a purple congressional district. It can go either way. And Trump does
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not have a big majority. So if we didn't actually make ourselves the villains in the American voters'
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eye by not doing anything on the border except for Smith and now Moe, we could have easily pulled
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off this strategy. But now I just want to quickly jump to Polyev's comments because I think I don't
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necessarily agree with it. I don't know why he's doing it this way. And then I want to transition,
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and this was going to be in part two on Greg's channel, into the specific what's going on in
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Ontario. How is Doug Ford, in my mind, cynically using this tariff war for his own political game.
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But Polyev here, I'm not going to read this all, but he talks about needing a Canada first plan
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on trade. And number one, he immediately says we need retaliatory dollar for dollar tariffs.
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Number two, right out of the liberal media textbook, Canada first dollar for dollar tariffs,
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like two liberal talk points. We're on the same consulting type talk points that you would hear
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out of the liberal camp. That bothers me a little bit. In fact, that was actually technically
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Jagmeet Singh's idea even before is the liberal's idea. He says put all tariff revenues into helping
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affected workers. Well, what do you mean? It's all workers. There's no such thing as affected workers.
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It'd be everybody. In fact, usually the workers who is going to affect the most are already the biggest
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recipients of subsidies and other protections. And then some of the other stuff's good with trying
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to reduce taxes and regulations and get risk of anti-energy stuff. But I thought number six,
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this is actually the thing we should have been doing in December. Rebuild our military. So it's
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not showing up yet. Rebuild our military and take back control of our borders to regain the confidence
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of our partners, assert our sovereignty, protect our people and put Canada first. Perfect. That is the
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one that we needed to actually be talking about. But, and I get where Polioff's coming from. He's having
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to play to the Eastern Canadian voter in Toronto's 905 who want to hear it's Trump's fault. And so the
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first five points, like the first two points are it's Trump's fault and we need to protect ourselves.
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The middle three points or the middle two points are okay stuff around the fact we need lower
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regulations and we need to get rid of bad energy policies, anti-energy policies. And then the last
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one is frankly the number one priority. And I hate the inversion that's gone on here.
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Yeah. It bothers me a little bit because it's, I had this issue during COVID where you watched
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conservatives play the game of, if we know something is correct, then we lead with that,
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even if it's politically inconvenient in the short term. And this would be an example.
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Is it politically inconvenient in the short term to say, listen, we shouldn't go toe to toe with Trump,
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even though we believe he's in the wrong? Absolutely. People want to hear you say,
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we're going to stand up. We're going to fight. Is it the right thing for Canada to do? No.
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It was the same during COVID. Was it right to lock down the economy and basically hurt everywhere,
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in carte blanche and be super heavy handed and throw away the charter of rights and freedoms?
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Absolutely not. But that's what they did because it was politically expedient. And then as they
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put their finger up in the air, saw the wind of direction changing politically,
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suddenly we watched the shift from the conservatives, but there was a handful of
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politicians that were, were steadfast all the way. And one of those was Jim Carhalos and Belinda
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Carhalos of the new blue party in Ontario, who Belinda Carhalos removed from the Ontario PC party
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for voting against, I think it was bill 195. Bill that would have gave Doug Ford power to essentially
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do away with every elected official. They wouldn't have to take their vote and he would have been able
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to carte blanche do whatever he wanted through emergency orders month by month and just continue
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to renew them for up to two years. Yeah. That's what got her kicked out of that party. That's,
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this is an example. We need the lead. We know what's right. It's going to be politically inconvenient
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in the short term, but it's the right thing. And leadership is convincing people in the long run.
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Yeah. This is where I give so much credit right now to John Rustad and the BC Conservatives,
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also Daniel Smith and Scott Moe get some credit too. But in terms of an oppositional party who could,
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be easily scared into doing the wrong thing. Cause Hey, we're the smaller party. We're not in power.
00:26:49.240
You know, just say nothing. We don't want to get slapped around. We know our,
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maybe our voting coalition's a bit fragile because we only had 2% in the last election
00:26:57.640
and we only searched for this election, but like it is the right thing to do. You call your shots early,
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you call how this thing is going to go down, and then you reap the rewards of being right in the long
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run. That's why I will sometimes side against conservatives quote unquote, oftentimes they're
00:27:13.400
not very conservative people. And then in the long run, it's like, well, you were kind of right
00:27:17.320
about that. I'm like, yeah, I kind of was. And I know some people are saying, why you predicted the
00:27:21.480
tariffs weren't going to happen before all this went down. Oh, it doesn't look like you're really
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correct these days. It's like, I didn't count on my big mistake was not counting on the crushing
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stupidity of politicians. That was your mistake. You should have seen it coming.
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Always the stupid, my big mistake is accounting for other people to be somewhat logical.
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Anyways, now we're going to transition to part two on Greg's channel, Diverge Media. Guys,
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that link will be in the description as well as pinned at the top of the comments. I want to talk about
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Ontario with this Ontario refugee right here. So go check that out, guys. That's it for here.