The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - August 15, 2025


Liberals gun ban STALLS OUT, but Carney won drop it (ft. Tracey Wilson)


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Summary

Tracy Wilson from the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights joins me to talk about the ongoing battle against the Liberal government's assault rifle ban, and why we should all be worried if Farmer Joe has the wrong model of rifle.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. As fellow Canadians, you guys have all probably noticed
00:00:06.700 that this is a pretty weird country. And it's an especially weird country when it comes to crime
00:00:13.060 and punishment. We are giving $170,000 luxury travel to former ISIS brides. We are letting
00:00:20.980 people into the country become permanent residents who have criminal records. And yet,
00:00:25.960 the Liberal government is still going after law-abiding gun owners. We don't care about
00:00:32.300 all those actual criminals, people involved in beheadings. But what we do care about is if
00:00:38.340 Farmer Joe has the wrong model of rifle. And to talk about this crazy scenario that we are in
00:00:45.220 right now in the country of Canada, I have brought on a fantastic guest, Tracy Wilson from the Canadian
00:00:52.180 Coalition for Firearm Rights. Thank you for coming on, Tracy.
00:00:56.200 Hey, thanks for the opportunity. I was happy to talk about this.
00:00:59.360 Yeah, I used to talk to you all the time back when I was a lowly written journalist. And then
00:01:04.220 we hadn't crossed over again when I was doing the show. But it's great that you're here.
00:01:09.520 And it's great you're here also because I have literally no clue what's been going on when it
00:01:15.120 comes to the firearms file. I used to follow it decently closely. And ever since Justin Trudeau
00:01:21.260 in 2020, ended up trying to ban models of assault rifles, I haven't really heard what's going on
00:01:28.080 with the ban or the subsequent buyback. Maybe you could give us an update on that.
00:01:33.580 Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, just to keep things really easy so that people can follow the law
00:01:38.340 and be compliant, the Liberals have actually introduced three different long rifle bans.
00:01:44.140 And there's two different amnesty dates. So depending when your rifle was banned,
00:01:48.380 depends when you are protected from criminality. So it's a huge mess. You're right. This has been
00:01:54.920 ongoing since 2020. We've had it tied up in court since then, too. We've taken it to the federal
00:02:00.020 court. We've taken it to the appeals court. And we recently applied for leave to the Supreme Court.
00:02:06.000 So we're waiting to hear back on that. But basically, they arbitrarily keep banning rifles.
00:02:11.780 The RCMP keeps adding to that list by banning firearms as variants of other firearms that are
00:02:17.980 banned. They've used a made up term called assault styled firearms, which is not that's not even a
00:02:25.200 real thing. And basically, nobody knows if their guns are legal, if they're illegal. There's never
00:02:31.200 any notice provided to gun owners. What's banned and what's not. They recently just banned the Sterling
00:02:37.700 R9, for example. Thousands of people own it. I sent a text message when I saw it on Twitter
00:02:43.600 to the literal manufacturer of that gun, and he hadn't heard about it. So, you know, people are
00:02:50.120 showing up to the range to shoot their firearms, not knowing that they're banned. It is a huge mess.
00:02:55.520 Now, the liberals have promised the anti-gun lobby groups that they will be confiscating these firearms
00:03:00.760 from gun owners. They say they will provide fair compensation. They have rolled out and completed
00:03:06.320 a retailer portion of that program, which was like stage one. I look at it very differently than I do
00:03:14.200 confiscating guns from individuals because it's not it's not private property. It's inventory in a store
00:03:19.840 that they've been sitting on for years, unable to sell it, paying storage and insurance. So I get it.
00:03:26.840 I still don't like it, but I get it. With gun owners, on the other hand, me, myself, I've got 14 firearms
00:03:33.100 that have been caught up in the various bands over the last five years. I've still got them all just like
00:03:38.880 every other gun owner. In fact, you're required to keep them. You can't get rid of them even if you wanted
00:03:43.300 to. And meanwhile, the liberal government is fooling around between two prime ministers, six ministers of
00:03:51.020 public safety, and every law enforcement agency in the country trying to figure out how to come and take our
00:03:56.960 guns and have yet to roll it out. So it is a bit of a mess. Like I said, we are tying it up in court.
00:04:04.240 At the same time, the amnesty that protects the majority of those firearms owners from criminality
00:04:10.940 will expire at the end of October. So the clock is ticking on that. Carney is going to have to make a
00:04:17.280 decision. I think we can all realize they're working at the speed of government. So there is no way to
00:04:23.540 develop a program, roll it out, get millions of people to participate, collect half a million guns,
00:04:30.820 and wrap it all up and be done with it by the end of October. So obviously, he's going to be extending
00:04:36.500 that amnesty yet again, much to the chagrin of the anti-gun lobby groups. So yeah, just a super
00:04:43.060 polarizing, divisive topic with zero impact on public safety, and a massive multi-billion dollar
00:04:51.740 debt to taxpayers who are going to be on the hook for paying for this, should it ever get off the
00:04:57.700 ground. Okay, I have a couple of questions for you. And the one thing I want to start off with is
00:05:03.120 just more of a general question about how fast the liberals have been moving. Because as somebody who
00:05:09.000 supports gun rights myself, and obviously opposes all of the bans, any attempt at a buyback or
00:05:14.200 confiscation, what I've never understood is how fast they kind of rolled out these announcements.
00:05:21.460 And then how slow they've been in actually implementing. Is it one of those things where
00:05:26.120 they didn't realize it was going to be more difficult than it was? And then so now they're
00:05:31.460 coming up with every excuse to keep doing like longer consultations. And then the second thing
00:05:36.620 is, have you or Rod Giltaka had yet the privilege of speaking with current public safety minister,
00:05:46.640 Gary Anasangari, who, as we have come to find out over the past few months, doesn't actually know what
00:05:53.220 a RPAL or PAL licenses? Yeah. Okay, so we'll deal with Gary first. So no, I have not had a meeting
00:06:01.600 with Gary, we have sent multiple official requests. We are the largest stakeholder on the firearms file
00:06:07.920 in the country, no matter what side of the debate you're on. You know, I was joking about this the other
00:06:13.780 day, just a quick little funny anecdote for your audience. We were thinking back to the days of
00:06:18.800 Ralph Goodale, you know, sleepy old Uncle Ralph, and he was the minister of public safety when the CCFR
00:06:23.880 first came about, and Trudeau first won the election. And, you know, in the 2019 election,
00:06:30.120 we had rolled out this program, we took a 34 foot RV wrapped liberal failure across it. And we drove
00:06:36.500 across the country, door knocking liberals, right to like liberal MPs. And we were successful in having
00:06:44.920 Ralph lose his seat. And I think we celebrated that. But I look back to those days, and I had a revolving
00:06:50.080 every three week meeting with public safety, with people that were working on the file, there was all
00:06:55.040 kinds of crazy things they were bringing forward, and they would run by me. And I'd say, that's a terrible
00:06:59.500 idea. And here's why. And we were able to stave off a whole bunch of stuff. So although we didn't agree
00:07:05.820 on things, at least he respected the fact that we were a legitimate stakeholder. And we had a seat at
00:07:11.500 the table. He invited me multiple times to come to question period. And I would meet with with members
00:07:17.420 of public safety in their department and met the minister on multiple occasions. And how different it
00:07:24.020 changed? You know, we went from that to like bootstraps, Billy, you know, Bill, Bill Blair,
00:07:30.480 Marco Mendicino, it's just been, you know, this convoy of clowns in the office. And I was hoping that
00:07:37.280 Gary might be different. I was hoping he might be a little more serious of a player. But as we see,
00:07:42.760 he doesn't have a lot of knowledge on this file. He's got a background in law. So, you know, I think I
00:07:48.320 was hoping for a little bit more, he has refused to even respond to any of our meeting requests.
00:07:54.020 And, you know, we've seen the shenanigans, he's had to recuse himself from different files dealing
00:08:01.200 with terrorist groups, because he's got ties to them. He's got, you know, didn't know what a
00:08:07.340 firearms license was even called. Like, this is something a simple one pager briefing document
00:08:14.480 could have solved. And we see that his department didn't even prepare him with that. So
00:08:19.900 I assume it's also something that you would learn in law school, they probably, you know,
00:08:23.860 mentioned different types of licenses. Oh, by the way, it's called a possession and acquisition
00:08:28.560 license. And here's a restricted one. But yeah, in a certain sense, it's a massive coup for the CCFR
00:08:34.540 to have somebody who doesn't have the credibility to actually walk out in front of a camera and push
00:08:39.780 forward a ban. But on the second part is that they and I think maybe the choice of Gary as the public
00:08:46.100 safety minister kind of foreshadows their general strategy on firearms. Have they been trying to
00:08:51.900 move too fast, not realizing they weren't equipped? Yeah, I think that was that's part of it. I mean,
00:08:57.080 I think Trudeau was very aggressive with these things. He was super happy to capitulate to the
00:09:01.620 anti-gun lobbies. You know, it didn't matter how many firearms they banned. They were never satisfied
00:09:06.940 and they never will be. And that's really important for people to understand. There is no type of firearm
00:09:12.020 that is acceptable to them. So this, you know, it's a never ending circle. And you'll remember,
00:09:17.480 you know, on December 6th, the anniversary of one of Canada's darkest days, the Polytechnique
00:09:23.500 shooting, they have a memorial service. And of course, it's a wonderful photo op for the prime
00:09:28.500 minister. He loves to go there, lay his white rose, you know, a little tear trickles down his cheek.
00:09:34.320 And they threatened with removing his invitation to come to that memorial. And the moment they threatened
00:09:40.520 that, we got another gun ban, right? So it was very effective. I don't know that Carney is in that
00:09:47.300 same boat, because you'll remember, he did, I think, a press conference with Natalie Provost, who
00:09:53.420 was a liberal candidate. She's now an MP, she's sitting in cabinet. But she's the head of that
00:09:59.240 anti-gun lobby. And he was introducing her and he didn't know her name, didn't know, you know,
00:10:05.020 the name of the school where the shooting happened. I don't know of any Canadians alive who don't really,
00:10:10.320 know of that, especially somebody a man from Montreal. Yeah, like he just didn't seem to
00:10:16.640 know anything. He has since given her, you know, a title, right? She's the Secretary of State for
00:10:24.540 Nature, comes along with a $300,000 paycheck. So I guess that's her pat on the back. And, you know,
00:10:31.920 she's okay with that. But Carney's also talking about doing a lot of cuts, right? There's rumors of
00:10:37.360 65,000 public service jobs that are going to be axed. There's talks of decreased spending in
00:10:43.880 every single department. And yet he hasn't talked about, you know, reeling back this gun buyback,
00:10:50.820 and in fact, or the confiscation program. And in fact, he's going to announce fairly shortly here,
00:10:58.460 I have it on good information, that he's extending that amnesty that protects gun owners from criminality
00:11:03.840 out to August or September of 2026, you know, giving himself more time signaling,
00:11:10.520 like if he if he had any intention of canceling it, and relocating those funds and the efforts
00:11:16.720 towards actual public safety measures, he wouldn't be extending the amnesty, he would be killing
00:11:22.080 the the gun ban. So, you know, I might be almost a reversal of the current pipeline situation. And by the
00:11:28.720 way, I said, even though he's from Montreal before I was thinking about Justin Trudeau, not not Mark Carney
00:11:32.880 there, accidentally. But the thing with, it's a reverse of the pipelines, because with pipelines,
00:11:40.120 Carney's constantly saying, Oh, of course, yes, of course, I do want a pipeline. And then it's
00:11:44.660 finding every excuse to say no. Whereas right now, he's basically trying to indicate to you guys,
00:11:50.360 I'm maybe not going to do it, but he can't overtly, like say to you guys, Yeah, I'm ending the gun
00:11:57.220 ban, because he has the lobby groups to his left that are going to hate him for it if he does that.
00:12:01.960 Yes. And so the thing too, is the funny, it's funny how economics is playing such a big role,
00:12:09.120 probably in this decision as well. You can inform me how much this has cost already to not actually
00:12:14.800 get anything done, not that I want anything done. But we already are running a $92 billion deficit.
00:12:21.360 And the cost of a full gun confiscation, or even doing it in small part, would probably be easily
00:12:29.060 pushing us into the $100 million range. But what's the current?
00:12:33.560 They've actually already spent more than that now, and not a single firearm has been confiscated from
00:12:39.200 a single person. There's 156 people working full time in Ottawa on this confiscation program.
00:12:47.260 So if you think about, you know, just the daily costs of running that department paying all those,
00:12:52.540 those wages, like it's daily costing money, and yet it hasn't even got off the ground yet. Now I'm,
00:13:01.700 I am applauding their incompetence, like don't get me wrong. But at the same time, by continuing that,
00:13:08.140 it sort of signals that he's not ready to drop it. I think when the election first happened,
00:13:12.740 and he won, I thought, well, maybe he's a more pragmatic guy. He's a money guy. You know,
00:13:18.760 maybe he's gonna want to share what territories, he has no excuse not to understand why people may
00:13:24.000 need firearms.
00:13:25.360 Yeah. And this is like a Trudeau era policy. It's not a carny thing, right? He didn't do this,
00:13:30.680 but he's stuck with it. And I know there's a lot of people in the firearms community that are
00:13:35.540 daydreaming that, you know, they've read three stories, uh, by the mainstream media sort of,
00:13:41.020 uh, criticizing this program or the, the, the gun bans and thinking that we're winning the battle.
00:13:46.740 Um, but I think, you know, that's your own confirmation bias. The fact that he's,
00:13:51.920 they are increasing staff in the buyback, uh, program, the confiscation regime. They are signing
00:13:58.240 deals with Winnipeg police. And I think another one in PEI with law enforcement agencies to go and
00:14:04.000 confiscate things are moving forward a little bit quietly behind the scenes, but they're happening.
00:14:11.820 And there's, you know, there's no indication that he's going to repeal this stuff. Like,
00:14:17.880 think of what that would look like. I mean, of course I would love that. That's what we've been
00:14:20.780 fighting for since the beginning, including spending millions of dollars in court. But what would that
00:14:25.940 look like? He would have to admit that, you know, these last five years, everybody was wrong
00:14:29.860 in the liberal government. They're not going to do that. And, and what open up sales again,
00:14:35.540 start importing them again. It is a pipe dream to imagine that he would do that, unfortunately.
00:14:41.500 So I don't have that luxury of living in dreamland. I've got to deal with the reality
00:14:45.860 of an anti-gun liberal government and what they're planning to do to us. So, you know, there's some,
00:14:52.500 there's been a lot of conversations the last few months about grandfathering. It was not started by us,
00:14:56.740 but, you know, we've sort of taken a look at that recently. Grandfathering is very controversial.
00:15:02.900 Gun owners think, you know, it's just delayed confiscation, which is true. But the one thing
00:15:08.040 worse than delayed confiscation is immediate confiscation. So, you know, and I would also
00:15:13.300 look at that as possibly a temporary measure until we get a friendlier government that would be willing
00:15:19.840 to repeal this stuff. So, yeah, it's a very complex issue. It's strikes a lot of feelings
00:15:26.160 amongst people. We've seen, you know, over history, the last 30 years, the way gun owners have been
00:15:31.060 treated and I get it. We've only been around the CCFR for 10 years. So, you know, the fact that none of
00:15:37.820 those previous grandfatherings were ever, you know, reversed and made legal again, I can't,
00:15:44.760 I can't speak to that because we didn't exist. So I would be looking at the organizations that did
00:15:49.160 during that time. But at the end of the day, if this government is going to roll forward with this,
00:15:56.380 once those guns are gone and out of the hands of the people who own them and bought them in good
00:16:00.460 faith, it's over. No government down the road three or four years from now when we finally get another
00:16:06.080 election is ever going to turn the clock all the way back. And once they're gone, they're gone. So
00:16:11.360 it's, yeah, it's a super divisive thing right now. And I know our community is kind of
00:16:16.780 in an uproar over it. And I, I take that to heart. I lose a lot of sleep over it because
00:16:21.680 our goal is to do the right thing for gun owners. And sometimes it's making difficult decisions that
00:16:28.520 are not popular, but you know, we were looking for a legal judicial solution. So we've taken it to
00:16:36.020 court, every level of court, and we're still fighting it there. We're the only organization
00:16:40.080 still fighting the gun bans. We were looking for a political solution. We registered as a third
00:16:45.720 party political advertiser in the last election. We spent almost half a million dollars trying to
00:16:51.120 get conservatives elected. And we were fairly successful with a lot of our campaigns, but it
00:16:56.380 wasn't enough. And so we find ourself in the reality of the situation that we're in. We're not winning.
00:17:02.820 So, yeah. Yeah. And to go back to the media question too, because I know what you mean when
00:17:08.160 I, when you say that people will sometimes have their biases confirmed and think, well, maybe they
00:17:13.520 will criticize the, you know, the program until it like goes away. The media has turned on it. Now
00:17:18.740 they're going to get rid of it. And it's just like, no, the media is criticizing it because they want it
00:17:23.560 implemented harder. The idea is that they will talk about how we have all these employees sitting
00:17:28.380 around doing nothing. The media's implication is, well, they should be grabbing guns.
00:17:32.820 The implication is not that, well, let's just get rid of this. This is, you know, bad spending.
00:17:37.660 The media did not suddenly become fans of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. They, they only want
00:17:43.900 the, it's, it's more of like the, they want it moving faster, not going away. And one other thing
00:17:51.480 recently that the media was doing that really got under my skin and it caused me to make a video and
00:17:56.180 you guys even clipped it, which thank you for that. It's good for people to, it was a very technical
00:18:00.620 video and I, it wasn't doing that well on my own page. So that actually probably got me a few
00:18:05.340 thousand extra views, but it drives me up the wall the way people report on crime and pretend like
00:18:12.360 the government's doing a better job now. And when the government's doing a better job actually
00:18:16.740 enforcing the law, that's when they're going to have an easier time justifying. Now we can take
00:18:21.400 away people's guns because of crimes going down. Well, who cares? But I can show you, I'm just going to
00:18:27.480 bring this up on screen for people quickly. This is violent crime, all total violent criminal code
00:18:34.140 offenses in the province of Ontario. And I'll try and move this down so you can, people can see a
00:18:40.020 little better. Just scrolling in here because I've been, I've been told on good authority that crime
00:18:44.760 is down between 2023 and 2024. And in fact, the rate of violent crime is up in Ontario. And the main
00:18:54.260 area where crime is down in terms of overall crime, violent crime is Alberta. The province
00:19:02.080 that has, like, you know, tries to pass its own provincial firearms protections. And so on this
00:19:08.320 vein, I was just wondering what can the provinces do and has Alberta been successful at all in
00:19:13.220 potentially insulating Alberta gun owners? Yeah. I will tell you that Alberta is leading the fight
00:19:20.060 as far as provinces. Saskatchewan is actually right there beside them as well. God bless the West,
00:19:25.640 because I can tell you, not only have they intervened at every single level of our core
00:19:30.440 challenge, stacked up behind us to fight this, they both implemented their own firearms act. So
00:19:37.040 there's the Alberta Firearms Act, the Saskatchewan Firearms Act. And what they've done is, although
00:19:41.440 firearms are regulated federally, once confiscations, when it comes to that point, both Alberta and Saskatchewan
00:19:49.240 put in a block, it's like a blocker. And you if you want to carry out confiscations within the
00:19:56.780 province of Alberta, or Saskatchewan, you have to be licensed by the province. And of course, I would
00:20:03.400 imagine the number of licenses they would be handing out for confiscators would be a great big fat zero,
00:20:09.040 which is beautiful. So although it doesn't change anything for gun owners are still, you know,
00:20:15.180 stuck with these firearms that they cannot use or enjoy, pass on to their loved ones, sell, trade,
00:20:21.220 buy, you know, at least they they're not getting confiscated, right? And that's, that's really
00:20:26.760 important. In Ontario, we can only dream of something like that. Doug Ford is going to do
00:20:31.620 absolutely nothing to help gun owners. He's been vocal that he doesn't support the gun bans. But at the
00:20:38.420 same time, he's totally unwilling to take any real meaningful steps to protect us. So Danielle Smith also
00:20:46.500 said recently, she's looking at the possibility of an Alberta firearms license, right? And granting special
00:20:53.700 privileges privileges in the province of Alberta. That's going to come up against a lot of opposition,
00:20:59.540 because like I said, firearms are regulated federally. However, property rights fall under the
00:21:05.920 province. Although also, if you have provincial police to which Alberta is moving towards,
00:21:10.660 you know, unless the federal government wants to pay an extra few billion dollars a year to basically
00:21:16.220 send in the RCMP into Alberta to do to carry out this federal law or to basically enforce this federal
00:21:22.680 law, you know, the provincial police can say, Oh, yeah, we're going to do it. But it's, you know,
00:21:26.580 priority number 10,000. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, you know, across the country, one of the big
00:21:32.640 problems is going to be, you know, I have terrible visions of what that looks like, because a lot of
00:21:37.460 these banned firearms, newly banned firearms are owned by indigenous communities. And I can't even
00:21:44.940 imagine what that looks like having the RCMP roll into reserves across the country to knock on doors and
00:21:52.220 collect their firearms. Like I, I don't know. I don't know what the solution here is. Well, I know what it
00:21:58.240 is, it would be to repeal all this stuff. I'm not sure that Carney's got that in him. If he does,
00:22:03.520 of course, we would support that 100%. But in the meantime, seeing Alberta and Saskatchewan stack up
00:22:09.880 behind us stack up behind gun owners all across the country, and protect Albertans from this kind of
00:22:16.560 stuff is so meaningful. And it's also a testament to the fact that, you know, you've got this former
00:22:24.020 prime minister who left this mess for Carney to deal with. And he's got a lot of work to do. So,
00:22:30.300 you know, we may not be able to stop them, but we're sure going to make it as difficult as possible.
00:22:35.740 I think one of the difficulties in stopping them, and the thing that's disappointing about this issue,
00:22:39.960 even more than a lot of other political issues, is that there's truly no argument from the left on
00:22:46.540 as to why firearms should be confiscated, why certain models should be banned. It's an area where
00:22:54.020 it's not, there's no statistical vagaries. The statistics are extremely clear. It almost feels
00:22:59.460 trite to even have to say it, because it's said quite often whenever the topic's brought up by people
00:23:04.420 in favor of firearm rights. If you have a possession and acquisition license, you are one third as likely
00:23:11.640 to commit a violent offense as the average Canadian. And now, obviously, the average has
00:23:17.920 criminals and other individuals, you know, put in that population. But the whole point is that
00:23:24.000 you can't be a PAL holder and be a convicted felon. You can't be a violent offender and still have your
00:23:30.000 PAL, which I've always thought is a great argument for, in fact, introducing gun licensing classes into
00:23:37.360 high schools. Give kids more responsibilities. I've always found that one big problem with society
00:23:43.860 over time, especially in big cities, is when people, you know, don't have firearm licenses,
00:23:48.420 but people don't have driver's licenses. You know, they use public transportation. They rely on a lot of
00:23:54.220 services to do things for them. Even just the fact that people probably use Amazon too much. People end up
00:23:59.840 becoming very much people who need permission to do things rather than people with responsibilities or
00:24:05.540 have the, you know, because we have rights and responsibilities, rights and duties. And we have
00:24:10.880 a population oftentimes who's becoming, especially in urban centers, very rights oriented, but with none
00:24:18.900 of the duties. And so then they don't respect certain things like firearm rights, because that's something
00:24:23.680 that comes with duties attached to it. Yeah. Well, and I mean, you know, the licensing in regime in
00:24:30.740 Canada is very strict. We've got some of the strictest gun control in the world before these
00:24:37.040 bans. And for the most part, it worked relatively well. You know, the crime rate amongst legal firearms
00:24:44.220 owners is almost nothing. There are outliers, of course, like any other, you know, segment of the
00:24:50.520 population. There's always an outlier here or there, but we don't regulate anything else that way.
00:24:56.320 Right. We didn't. When a guy, you know, rented a U-Haul van and drove it into a crowd of people
00:25:02.100 killing 13 people in Toronto, we didn't. Nobody said we maybe we should look at U-Haul vans or maybe
00:25:10.480 we should look at the rental process. Nobody did that. They blame the criminal who committed the act
00:25:15.480 or terrorist, whatever you want to call them. They blamed him specifically. So why is it with firearms?
00:25:22.260 You know, I've got a, I've got a mini 14 wrench rifle. It's a very common firearm that like probably
00:25:30.500 millions of Canadians own. There's a lot of them, right? It's a perfect little environment gun. It's
00:25:35.060 a small caliber firearm, but it was also the firearm used in the polytechnic shooting. And so people say,
00:25:42.360 well, why would you own that? And it's, you're tying me to a horrific crime that was committed when I
00:25:50.040 was a child, you know, it's got nothing to do with me. I had nothing to do with that. And neither did
00:25:55.020 anyone else in my community. He was an unlicensed criminal. Right. But you, we, we measure that in
00:26:02.340 a different way. Right. Like we, we look at those things in a completely different manner. And I just,
00:26:07.680 I don't, I don't know why it's acceptable to assign collective guilt to millions of good Canadians
00:26:14.760 who've done nothing to deserve it. At the same time, we've got stuff like C5 and C75 that led
00:26:20.940 some very, um, that can reduce the sentencing for some very serious violent firearms crimes.
00:26:27.060 People always forget about C5. And naturally these days people associate with that major projects
00:26:32.400 act that it's probably not going to get many major projects done. Uh, but bill C5 like is almost more
00:26:39.400 startling than C75. Like C75 is really bad. It's the bail reform laws that allow basically a revolving
00:26:46.620 door system in the courts so that violent offenders and repeat, uh, like property crime offenders keep
00:26:52.500 getting back out over and over again. But C5 was passed after the gun bans were implemented that lets
00:26:59.660 gang members hacking illegally obtained like handguns. Those guys get off easier. Like what?
00:27:07.320 Oh yeah. It's just a handout basically to gangs in Toronto, to rural gangs who are getting guns
00:27:13.460 slipped over the border. And then we just had this report a few days ago by the head of the Canadian
00:27:18.800 Police Chiefs Association saying that, by the way, Trump's kind of right about the border. We have
00:27:23.640 no ability to know if drugs or guns are coming over. We can't say that only 1% of fentanyl is being
00:27:30.220 seized over our border because we have no clue what's going over our border.
00:27:33.100 Yeah. Well, and then when people quote that to me, that 1% of fentanyl,
00:27:37.820 you know, comes from Canada, it's like, that's what they seized. That's not what got through.
00:27:42.700 One, you know, there's, there's, there's a few guys dumb enough to get caught sneaking drugs over
00:27:49.100 the Canadian border when it's, it's easier like than anything you can get. It's easier to get,
00:27:56.460 I don't even know you can get you. Passing high school is more difficult than being a drug dealer in
00:28:01.740 Canada these days. And the thing is that they are saying they can't even search packages
00:28:07.020 underneath 500 grams, not just search. They can't even get a warrant. They can have a package. Feel
00:28:12.700 it. Oh, there's a lot of pills in here. 495 grams. Can't check it. It's like, what the heck?
00:28:18.780 Well, just like you look at the railway system, right? So we've got trains that come from all the
00:28:24.140 way up from the United States up through Manitoba, right into the north. And it's a pipeline. Because
00:28:30.380 0% of railway cars are being inspected. So you could put anything you want there, nobody's checking.
00:28:36.860 And we're not talking about just smuggling guns into the country or even just drugs,
00:28:40.940 but human trafficking, all kinds of horrible things are happening. And that's why when I think about the
00:28:47.100 billions of dollars are going to waste on a confiscation program. I can think of 100,000
00:28:53.660 different ways to spend that money that could have a positive impact on public safety. Just
00:28:58.860 inspecting those railway cars. Hire some people. Give some good Canadians some jobs. There's young
00:29:03.420 people out there looking for jobs. The jobless rate is rising, right? Give them some jobs.
00:29:09.260 100%. It's a low-skilled job. Any Canadian could work with some basic training. It would pay well,
00:29:15.420 too, because it needs to be done. It's a security role. And just checking 1% of train cars on every
00:29:22.140 train that stops at a station would pretty much dry up a lot of the trafficking overnight,
00:29:27.260 because nobody's going to take a 10% shot that they lose all of the money that they invested
00:29:31.580 in trying to move goods around the country. And then what we had heard from people like Sam Cooper
00:29:36.380 and previous reports from the government is that when you have ships coming into port in Vancouver,
00:29:42.140 I know this doesn't have as much to do with guns, although it has to do with the hypocrisy of the
00:29:45.900 government. Less than 1% of sea cans are even searched. It's like a decimal point. You might
00:29:52.940 as well just chance it because it's a lottery winner's chance that the government's ever going
00:29:57.020 to catch you. Well, and this is what I'm talking about. I forget what they were debating in committee,
00:30:04.060 but there was a public safety committee where an Alberta MP member, Blaine Culkins, had brought forward
00:30:11.740 a study that they did. And they looked at these, you know, these great big x-ray scanners too,
00:30:16.060 that you could put at the border that basically could drive vehicles through, right? Instead of doing
00:30:21.500 just, you know, hands-on visual inspections, you would be driving through an x-ray machine similar to
00:30:27.900 to an airport scanner, right? And the cost of these things, and they are quite expensive. But for the cost
00:30:34.700 of the gun ban confiscation program, you could put a number of these at every single entry into the
00:30:43.020 country. So every car could be going through this, right? And you drive through and of course if they,
00:30:49.180 it's like, as long as it takes you to wait for your bag to go through the scanner at the airport,
00:30:53.500 they drive through, yeah, okay, looks good, that's fine. But not only could we detect smuggled guns
00:30:58.940 coming into the country that is fueling the violence that we're seeing every day on streets
00:31:03.420 across the country, we could stop drugs, we could stop human trafficking. It's just there's no
00:31:08.700 political will to do it, right? Gun bans against legal owners, for some reason, seem sexier to
00:31:14.380 these people. I don't know if it's because we wouldn't traditionally vote for them anyways. But it's,
00:31:20.300 you know, I don't know what kind of country we want to live in, where Canada's most law-abiding
00:31:26.940 sector is under constant attack, have had to, you know, organize themselves and spend millions of
00:31:33.500 dollars fighting a government that wants to kick in their doors and take their property. While at the
00:31:37.980 same time, you've got violent criminals that are forced back out on the street. Like, there's not
00:31:44.220 even an option. They have to give them the lightest sentence possible. And that's what Bill C75 does.
00:31:50.220 I ended up studying this and it's like, can you hold criminals in prison? Yes. But when you're
00:31:56.060 dealing with very progressive judges who don't want to lock up anyone, who don't want to hold
00:32:00.300 anyone on without bail. And even if the prosecutors go through all of the hoops and gyrations in order
00:32:07.420 to make a filing, because they have a limited amount of time, sometimes not even enough time to actually
00:32:12.060 fill out the paperwork, but they have a very limited amount of time to fill out all the evidence as
00:32:16.140 why this person needs to be held. And that still may not actually cause the judge to hold them.
00:32:21.900 And if they don't do the paperwork, the judge has to automatically release, even if they are a
00:32:26.460 sensible individual. And so even in situations where the judge wants to hold them and the prosecutors
00:32:31.900 would like to hold them, well, they only are in a jail cell for 48 hours until the release and
00:32:37.100 the prosecutors have no time to actually file anything that's legally viable to hold them.
00:32:42.540 Whereas like, that's the funny thing. We live in a country where judges are not able to have
00:32:47.820 judgment in terms of actually carrying out the law. But if you're a judge who wants to, you know,
00:32:55.180 let people off easy because they're an immigrant, you don't want them deported for committing a violent
00:33:00.780 crime. That's okay. So if you do the right thing, you get, you can't do the right thing, but you can do the
00:33:05.900 wrong thing as a judge, or you just do whatever the very bland, you know, unjust law tells you to do.
00:33:13.340 It's ridiculous. Everything just leans the wrong way when it comes to a judicial system.
00:33:18.380 Yeah. Well, this soft on crime approach that we've had for the last decade,
00:33:22.540 we're seeing the results of that, right? Like the results are in. It's been 10 years and it's been a
00:33:28.300 tragic bloody failure. Literally people are dying because of the policies of the, of this liberal
00:33:34.380 government. You know, they've got a new leader. They've got a new prime minister. He's got all
00:33:38.940 kinds of runway. If he wants to take the country in a better, different direction, improve, improve
00:33:45.980 public safety, which would have a whole bunch of benefits, right? People would feel safer. People
00:33:50.700 would be happier. It would appease some of the criticisms from our neighbors to the south. They're
00:33:57.740 just in general, it would improve public safety.
00:34:00.700 I just want to point out this right here that I had this on screen a bit ago, but like Alberta has
00:34:05.660 actually been having violent crime go down between 2023 and 2024. And this is what drives me up the
00:34:10.940 wall about the media is that when you, they will report that crime is down in Canada. When in fact,
00:34:17.500 crime is not down in Canada, crime is down in Alberta. That's pretty much all they're basically
00:34:22.460 saying, but they will still report as if the problem's now going away. They will bend over backwards
00:34:28.780 to pretend like things are not nearly as bad on the crime front. But then when it comes to guns,
00:34:35.900 what's been your experience in trying to deal with the media and your treatment as somebody who
00:34:40.620 like has the facts? Yeah. Well, I always say it's funny. I do a lot of media interviews almost every
00:34:47.900 day and you'll see maybe, you know, one sentence or half a sentence that they quote me, but we're on the
00:34:54.060 phone for an hour and they're asking me all kinds of questions. And I'm like, wow, this is great.
00:34:58.300 They're interested in the topic. You know, they're going to write a really wholesome piece on, you
00:35:03.180 know, different points of view and then you get it. And there's like half a sentence of what you
00:35:07.900 talked about. I mean, it's still an exercise in trying to educate these people because most people
00:35:14.380 don't, don't know about it. It is a very complex topic. It takes a lot of work to actually
00:35:19.820 understand it, but the media absolutely has a bias. And then they'll say, well, why do you need these
00:35:25.340 weapons of war and things like that? Look, there's about 80 years of military service sitting at my
00:35:31.340 dining room table right now. And I can tell you, there isn't an army in the world that would use
00:35:35.820 any of these firearms. In fact, if you, you know, I got a young daughter in the army who's just recently
00:35:41.740 back from a deployment. If you had sent her over there with any of these firearms that, that,
00:35:46.700 that would have been recently banned, she'd be dead. So it's just, you know, they hear the
00:35:51.580 government talking points. Trudeau would have those breathy press conferences with the silhouette
00:35:56.300 of an AR-15 on the podium. And, you know, we are doing what we can to make Canadians safe. Meanwhile,
00:36:03.900 you know, people's doors are getting kicked in all over the GTA home and violent armed home invasions
00:36:08.860 are out of control. There's videos every single day, violent protests, like it's just mayhem out there.
00:36:15.020 Right. So I feel like the media repeats that stuff, um, without actually putting any thought
00:36:22.460 into whether or not it's true. And that's where it becomes an ideological thing. You, you may actually
00:36:27.580 have someone listening to you on the phone for an hour, but they simply do not have the ears to actually
00:36:32.700 hear what you're saying to them. They may be attempting to take it in. They just, the ideological
00:36:38.140 biases just say that you're wrong at the end of the day though, or, you know, you guys have some
00:36:43.260 contentions, but you know, people will die if we don't do this, uh, which is always my favorite
00:36:48.300 justification for doing anything that some risk may have, like, you know, risk may occur just like
00:36:54.060 we're seeing in Ontario where a judge blocked the removal of bike lanes that were causing downtown
00:36:59.660 congestion, uh, because someone could get hurt if we don't have a bike lane around. Um, but what are,
00:37:06.940 what's the, I guess, what's the next steps for, uh, for the CCFR going into, uh, the latter half of
00:37:12.700 this year when parliament comes back into session, or do you guys have any ongoing court challenges?
00:37:18.300 Yeah. So we are waiting to hear from the Supreme Court to see if they are going to, um, accept our application.
00:37:24.460 Of course, you don't get to decide to be heard at the Supreme Court. They choose who they hear.
00:37:29.420 I think this case is in the interest of the public, which is a good reason to go. Um, and yeah, so we're waiting
00:37:37.900 to hear from that. I'm really, really hoping that the Supreme Court will hear it. Um, at the same time,
00:37:43.820 you know, it's hard not to be jaded with the judicial system and everything that's gone on and
00:37:49.020 some of the crazy stuff, you know, you have no right to own the property that you've owned safely
00:37:53.900 and without issue for decades, if not generations, but you know, plastic ban, you know, that's, that's
00:38:00.620 different. Like, it, it just seems like an upside down clan world, but we're not going to give up.
00:38:05.100 We're still pushing forward. You know, our ultimate goal is to keep these guns in the hands of the people
00:38:11.260 who own them, who bought them and who've used them for, like I said, decades, if not generations
00:38:16.620 safely. Um, and, um, yeah, see what happens with that. I do expect Carney to, he has no choice,
00:38:23.580 but to extend the amnesty out. And I do know that another little thing that was recently leaked to me
00:38:30.780 is he's resurrecting CFAC, the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee. And this is something that we've
00:38:36.620 seen multiple governments put into place and it's usually a, you know, a table of experts or
00:38:41.980 stakeholders. Um, of course, under the liberals, it was stacked with anti-gun lobbyists. And,
00:38:48.140 you know, I think the only representation from the firearms community, aside from Linda Keiko,
00:38:54.140 who's an Olympic sports shooter was a, you know, a head of a farming organization, you know, because
00:39:01.260 that must have something to do with this. Right. So very rarely did they ever been invited. Oh yeah,
00:39:07.420 no, of course not. You wouldn't want an actual expert at the table. Right. So, um, we'll see
00:39:12.060 what that membership looks like. Of course, we're going to push to get on that. Like I said, I don't
00:39:16.700 know that we can stop this government, but we're going to do everything we can to make things as
00:39:21.340 difficult and painful as possible for them. Um, and keep the guns in the hands of the people who expect
00:39:27.980 us to, to do that. So yeah, we're just keep pushing forward and, um, there's nothing that
00:39:33.660 we won't do for gun owners. So, well, it's great that you guys actually have seemingly more resolve
00:39:38.940 for your cause than the government at least has for their cause. Cause at least that allows us to
00:39:43.020 stay in the holding pattern today, but for anyone out there who is a gun owner and is, you know,
00:39:48.220 interested in becoming a gun owner, getting a PAL license, go check out the CCFR website. I will have
00:39:54.540 that linked in the description below as well as pinned at the top of the comments, but thanks
00:39:58.780 for coming on the show today, Tracy. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. It was a lot of fun.
00:40:03.740 Well, thank you. We'll make sure to come back soon. Anyways, see you guys all later.