The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Liberals gun ban STALLS OUT, but Carney won drop it (ft. Tracey Wilson)

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. As fellow Canadians, you guys have all probably noticed

00:00:06.700 that this is a pretty weird country. And it's an especially weird country when it comes to crime

00:00:13.060 and punishment. We are giving $170,000 luxury travel to former ISIS brides. We are letting 1.00

00:00:20.980 people into the country become permanent residents who have criminal records. And yet,

00:00:25.960 the Liberal government is still going after law-abiding gun owners. We don't care about

00:00:32.300 all those actual criminals, people involved in beheadings. But what we do care about is if

00:00:38.340 Farmer Joe has the wrong model of rifle. And to talk about this crazy scenario that we are in

00:00:45.220 right now in the country of Canada, I have brought on a fantastic guest, Tracy Wilson from the Canadian

00:00:52.180 Coalition for Firearm Rights. Thank you for coming on, Tracy.

00:00:56.200 Hey, thanks for the opportunity. I was happy to talk about this.

00:00:59.360 Yeah, I used to talk to you all the time back when I was a lowly written journalist. And then

00:01:04.220 we hadn't crossed over again when I was doing the show. But it's great that you're here.

00:01:09.520 And it's great you're here also because I have literally no clue what's been going on when it

00:01:15.120 comes to the firearms file. I used to follow it decently closely. And ever since Justin Trudeau

00:01:21.260 in 2020, ended up trying to ban models of assault rifles, I haven't really heard what's going on

00:01:28.080 with the ban or the subsequent buyback. Maybe you could give us an update on that.

00:01:33.580 Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, just to keep things really easy so that people can follow the law

00:01:38.340 and be compliant, the Liberals have actually introduced three different long rifle bans.

00:01:44.140 And there's two different amnesty dates. So depending when your rifle was banned,

00:01:48.380 depends when you are protected from criminality. So it's a huge mess. You're right. This has been

00:01:54.920 ongoing since 2020. We've had it tied up in court since then, too. We've taken it to the federal

00:02:00.020 court. We've taken it to the appeals court. And we recently applied for leave to the Supreme Court.

00:02:06.000 So we're waiting to hear back on that. But basically, they arbitrarily keep banning rifles.

00:02:11.780 The RCMP keeps adding to that list by banning firearms as variants of other firearms that are

00:02:17.980 banned. They've used a made up term called assault styled firearms, which is not that's not even a

00:02:25.200 real thing. And basically, nobody knows if their guns are legal, if they're illegal. There's never

00:02:31.200 any notice provided to gun owners. What's banned and what's not. They recently just banned the Sterling

00:02:37.700 R9, for example. Thousands of people own it. I sent a text message when I saw it on Twitter

00:02:43.600 to the literal manufacturer of that gun, and he hadn't heard about it. So, you know, people are

00:02:50.120 showing up to the range to shoot their firearms, not knowing that they're banned. It is a huge mess.

00:02:55.520 Now, the liberals have promised the anti-gun lobby groups that they will be confiscating these firearms

00:03:00.760 from gun owners. They say they will provide fair compensation. They have rolled out and completed

00:03:06.320 a retailer portion of that program, which was like stage one. I look at it very differently than I do

00:03:14.200 confiscating guns from individuals because it's not it's not private property. It's inventory in a store

00:03:19.840 that they've been sitting on for years, unable to sell it, paying storage and insurance. So I get it.

00:03:26.840 I still don't like it, but I get it. With gun owners, on the other hand, me, myself, I've got 14 firearms

00:03:33.100 that have been caught up in the various bands over the last five years. I've still got them all just like

00:03:38.880 every other gun owner. In fact, you're required to keep them. You can't get rid of them even if you wanted

00:03:43.300 to. And meanwhile, the liberal government is fooling around between two prime ministers, six ministers of

00:03:51.020 public safety, and every law enforcement agency in the country trying to figure out how to come and take our

00:03:56.960 guns and have yet to roll it out. So it is a bit of a mess. Like I said, we are tying it up in court.

00:04:04.240 At the same time, the amnesty that protects the majority of those firearms owners from criminality

00:04:10.940 will expire at the end of October. So the clock is ticking on that. Carney is going to have to make a

00:04:17.280 decision. I think we can all realize they're working at the speed of government. So there is no way to

00:04:23.540 develop a program, roll it out, get millions of people to participate, collect half a million guns,

00:04:30.820 and wrap it all up and be done with it by the end of October. So obviously, he's going to be extending

00:04:36.500 that amnesty yet again, much to the chagrin of the anti-gun lobby groups. So yeah, just a super

00:04:43.060 polarizing, divisive topic with zero impact on public safety, and a massive multi-billion dollar

00:04:51.740 debt to taxpayers who are going to be on the hook for paying for this, should it ever get off the

00:04:57.700 ground. Okay, I have a couple of questions for you. And the one thing I want to start off with is

00:05:03.120 just more of a general question about how fast the liberals have been moving. Because as somebody who

00:05:09.000 supports gun rights myself, and obviously opposes all of the bans, any attempt at a buyback or

00:05:14.200 confiscation, what I've never understood is how fast they kind of rolled out these announcements.

00:05:21.460 And then how slow they've been in actually implementing. Is it one of those things where

00:05:26.120 they didn't realize it was going to be more difficult than it was? And then so now they're

00:05:31.460 coming up with every excuse to keep doing like longer consultations. And then the second thing

00:05:36.620 is, have you or Rod Giltaka had yet the privilege of speaking with current public safety minister,

00:05:46.640 Gary Anasangari, who, as we have come to find out over the past few months, doesn't actually know what

00:05:53.220 a RPAL or PAL licenses? Yeah. Okay, so we'll deal with Gary first. So no, I have not had a meeting

00:06:01.600 with Gary, we have sent multiple official requests. We are the largest stakeholder on the firearms file

00:06:07.920 in the country, no matter what side of the debate you're on. You know, I was joking about this the other

00:06:13.780 day, just a quick little funny anecdote for your audience. We were thinking back to the days of

00:06:18.800 Ralph Goodale, you know, sleepy old Uncle Ralph, and he was the minister of public safety when the CCFR

00:06:23.880 first came about, and Trudeau first won the election. And, you know, in the 2019 election,

00:06:30.120 we had rolled out this program, we took a 34 foot RV wrapped liberal failure across it. And we drove

00:06:36.500 across the country, door knocking liberals, right to like liberal MPs. And we were successful in having

00:06:44.920 Ralph lose his seat. And I think we celebrated that. But I look back to those days, and I had a revolving

00:06:50.080 every three week meeting with public safety, with people that were working on the file, there was all

00:06:55.040 kinds of crazy things they were bringing forward, and they would run by me. And I'd say, that's a terrible

00:06:59.500 idea. And here's why. And we were able to stave off a whole bunch of stuff. So although we didn't agree

00:07:05.820 on things, at least he respected the fact that we were a legitimate stakeholder. And we had a seat at

00:07:11.500 the table. He invited me multiple times to come to question period. And I would meet with with members

00:07:17.420 of public safety in their department and met the minister on multiple occasions. And how different it

00:07:24.020 changed? You know, we went from that to like bootstraps, Billy, you know, Bill, Bill Blair,

00:07:30.480 Marco Mendicino, it's just been, you know, this convoy of clowns in the office. And I was hoping that

00:07:37.280 Gary might be different. I was hoping he might be a little more serious of a player. But as we see,

00:07:42.760 he doesn't have a lot of knowledge on this file. He's got a background in law. So, you know, I think I

00:07:48.320 was hoping for a little bit more, he has refused to even respond to any of our meeting requests.

00:07:54.020 And, you know, we've seen the shenanigans, he's had to recuse himself from different files dealing

00:08:01.200 with terrorist groups, because he's got ties to them. He's got, you know, didn't know what a

00:08:07.340 firearms license was even called. Like, this is something a simple one pager briefing document

00:08:14.480 could have solved. And we see that his department didn't even prepare him with that. So

00:08:19.900 I assume it's also something that you would learn in law school, they probably, you know,

00:08:23.860 mentioned different types of licenses. Oh, by the way, it's called a possession and acquisition

00:08:28.560 license. And here's a restricted one. But yeah, in a certain sense, it's a massive coup for the CCFR

00:08:34.540 to have somebody who doesn't have the credibility to actually walk out in front of a camera and push

00:08:39.780 forward a ban. But on the second part is that they and I think maybe the choice of Gary as the public

00:08:46.100 safety minister kind of foreshadows their general strategy on firearms. Have they been trying to

00:08:51.900 move too fast, not realizing they weren't equipped? Yeah, I think that was that's part of it. I mean,

00:08:57.080 I think Trudeau was very aggressive with these things. He was super happy to capitulate to the

00:09:01.620 anti-gun lobbies. You know, it didn't matter how many firearms they banned. They were never satisfied

00:09:06.940 and they never will be. And that's really important for people to understand. There is no type of firearm

00:09:12.020 that is acceptable to them. So this, you know, it's a never ending circle. And you'll remember,

00:09:17.480 you know, on December 6th, the anniversary of one of Canada's darkest days, the Polytechnique

00:09:23.500 shooting, they have a memorial service. And of course, it's a wonderful photo op for the prime

00:09:28.500 minister. He loves to go there, lay his white rose, you know, a little tear trickles down his cheek.

00:09:34.320 And they threatened with removing his invitation to come to that memorial. And the moment they threatened

00:09:40.520 that, we got another gun ban, right? So it was very effective. I don't know that Carney is in that

00:09:47.300 same boat, because you'll remember, he did, I think, a press conference with Natalie Provost, who

00:09:53.420 was a liberal candidate. She's now an MP, she's sitting in cabinet. But she's the head of that 0.77

00:09:59.240 anti-gun lobby. And he was introducing her and he didn't know her name, didn't know, you know,

00:10:05.020 the name of the school where the shooting happened. I don't know of any Canadians alive who don't really,

00:10:10.320 know of that, especially somebody a man from Montreal. Yeah, like he just didn't seem to

00:10:16.640 know anything. He has since given her, you know, a title, right? She's the Secretary of State for

00:10:24.540 Nature, comes along with a $300,000 paycheck. So I guess that's her pat on the back. And, you know,

00:10:31.920 she's okay with that. But Carney's also talking about doing a lot of cuts, right? There's rumors of

00:10:37.360 65,000 public service jobs that are going to be axed. There's talks of decreased spending in

00:10:43.880 every single department. And yet he hasn't talked about, you know, reeling back this gun buyback,

00:10:50.820 and in fact, or the confiscation program. And in fact, he's going to announce fairly shortly here,

00:10:58.460 I have it on good information, that he's extending that amnesty that protects gun owners from criminality 0.83

00:11:03.840 out to August or September of 2026, you know, giving himself more time signaling,

00:11:10.520 like if he if he had any intention of canceling it, and relocating those funds and the efforts

00:11:16.720 towards actual public safety measures, he wouldn't be extending the amnesty, he would be killing

00:11:22.080 the the gun ban. So, you know, I might be almost a reversal of the current pipeline situation. And by the

00:11:28.720 way, I said, even though he's from Montreal before I was thinking about Justin Trudeau, not not Mark Carney

00:11:32.880 there, accidentally. But the thing with, it's a reverse of the pipelines, because with pipelines,

00:11:40.120 Carney's constantly saying, Oh, of course, yes, of course, I do want a pipeline. And then it's

00:11:44.660 finding every excuse to say no. Whereas right now, he's basically trying to indicate to you guys,

00:11:50.360 I'm maybe not going to do it, but he can't overtly, like say to you guys, Yeah, I'm ending the gun

00:11:57.220 ban, because he has the lobby groups to his left that are going to hate him for it if he does that.

00:12:01.960 Yes. And so the thing too, is the funny, it's funny how economics is playing such a big role,

00:12:09.120 probably in this decision as well. You can inform me how much this has cost already to not actually

00:12:14.800 get anything done, not that I want anything done. But we already are running a $92 billion deficit.

00:12:21.360 And the cost of a full gun confiscation, or even doing it in small part, would probably be easily

00:12:29.060 pushing us into the $100 million range. But what's the current?

00:12:33.560 They've actually already spent more than that now, and not a single firearm has been confiscated from

00:12:39.200 a single person. There's 156 people working full time in Ottawa on this confiscation program.

00:12:47.260 So if you think about, you know, just the daily costs of running that department paying all those,

00:12:52.540 those wages, like it's daily costing money, and yet it hasn't even got off the ground yet. Now I'm,

00:13:01.700 I am applauding their incompetence, like don't get me wrong. But at the same time, by continuing that,

00:13:08.140 it sort of signals that he's not ready to drop it. I think when the election first happened,

00:13:12.740 and he won, I thought, well, maybe he's a more pragmatic guy. He's a money guy. You know,

00:13:18.760 maybe he's gonna want to share what territories, he has no excuse not to understand why people may

00:13:24.000 need firearms.

00:13:25.360 Yeah. And this is like a Trudeau era policy. It's not a carny thing, right? He didn't do this,

00:13:30.680 but he's stuck with it. And I know there's a lot of people in the firearms community that are

00:13:35.540 daydreaming that, you know, they've read three stories, uh, by the mainstream media sort of,

00:13:41.020 uh, criticizing this program or the, the, the gun bans and thinking that we're winning the battle.

00:13:46.740 Um, but I think, you know, that's your own confirmation bias. The fact that he's,

00:13:51.920 they are increasing staff in the buyback, uh, program, the confiscation regime. They are signing

00:13:58.240 deals with Winnipeg police. And I think another one in PEI with law enforcement agencies to go and

00:14:04.000 confiscate things are moving forward a little bit quietly behind the scenes, but they're happening.

00:14:11.820 And there's, you know, there's no indication that he's going to repeal this stuff. Like,

00:14:17.880 think of what that would look like. I mean, of course I would love that. That's what we've been

00:14:20.780 fighting for since the beginning, including spending millions of dollars in court. But what would that

00:14:25.940 look like? He would have to admit that, you know, these last five years, everybody was wrong

00:14:29.860 in the liberal government. They're not going to do that. And, and what open up sales again,

00:14:35.540 start importing them again. It is a pipe dream to imagine that he would do that, unfortunately.

00:14:41.500 So I don't have that luxury of living in dreamland. I've got to deal with the reality

00:14:45.860 of an anti-gun liberal government and what they're planning to do to us. So, you know, there's some,

00:14:52.500 there's been a lot of conversations the last few months about grandfathering. It was not started by us,

00:14:56.740 but, you know, we've sort of taken a look at that recently. Grandfathering is very controversial.

00:15:02.900 Gun owners think, you know, it's just delayed confiscation, which is true. But the one thing

00:15:08.040 worse than delayed confiscation is immediate confiscation. So, you know, and I would also

00:15:13.300 look at that as possibly a temporary measure until we get a friendlier government that would be willing

00:15:19.840 to repeal this stuff. So, yeah, it's a very complex issue. It's strikes a lot of feelings

00:15:26.160 amongst people. We've seen, you know, over history, the last 30 years, the way gun owners have been 0.51

00:15:31.060 treated and I get it. We've only been around the CCFR for 10 years. So, you know, the fact that none of

00:15:37.820 those previous grandfatherings were ever, you know, reversed and made legal again, I can't,

00:15:44.760 I can't speak to that because we didn't exist. So I would be looking at the organizations that did

00:15:49.160 during that time. But at the end of the day, if this government is going to roll forward with this,

00:15:56.380 once those guns are gone and out of the hands of the people who own them and bought them in good

00:16:00.460 faith, it's over. No government down the road three or four years from now when we finally get another

00:16:06.080 election is ever going to turn the clock all the way back. And once they're gone, they're gone. So

00:16:11.360 it's, yeah, it's a super divisive thing right now. And I know our community is kind of

00:16:16.780 in an uproar over it. And I, I take that to heart. I lose a lot of sleep over it because

00:16:21.680 our goal is to do the right thing for gun owners. And sometimes it's making difficult decisions that

00:16:28.520 are not popular, but you know, we were looking for a legal judicial solution. So we've taken it to

00:16:36.020 court, every level of court, and we're still fighting it there. We're the only organization

00:16:40.080 still fighting the gun bans. We were looking for a political solution. We registered as a third

00:16:45.720 party political advertiser in the last election. We spent almost half a million dollars trying to

00:16:51.120 get conservatives elected. And we were fairly successful with a lot of our campaigns, but it

00:16:56.380 wasn't enough. And so we find ourself in the reality of the situation that we're in. We're not winning.

00:17:02.820 So, yeah. Yeah. And to go back to the media question too, because I know what you mean when

00:17:08.160 I, when you say that people will sometimes have their biases confirmed and think, well, maybe they

00:17:13.520 will criticize the, you know, the program until it like goes away. The media has turned on it. Now

00:17:18.740 they're going to get rid of it. And it's just like, no, the media is criticizing it because they want it

00:17:23.560 implemented harder. The idea is that they will talk about how we have all these employees sitting

00:17:28.380 around doing nothing. The media's implication is, well, they should be grabbing guns.

00:17:32.820 The implication is not that, well, let's just get rid of this. This is, you know, bad spending.

00:17:37.660 The media did not suddenly become fans of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. They, they only want

00:17:43.900 the, it's, it's more of like the, they want it moving faster, not going away. And one other thing

00:17:51.480 recently that the media was doing that really got under my skin and it caused me to make a video and

00:17:56.180 you guys even clipped it, which thank you for that. It's good for people to, it was a very technical

00:18:00.620 video and I, it wasn't doing that well on my own page. So that actually probably got me a few

00:18:05.340 thousand extra views, but it drives me up the wall the way people report on crime and pretend like

00:18:12.360 the government's doing a better job now. And when the government's doing a better job actually

00:18:16.740 enforcing the law, that's when they're going to have an easier time justifying. Now we can take

00:18:21.400 away people's guns because of crimes going down. Well, who cares? But I can show you, I'm just going to

00:18:27.480 bring this up on screen for people quickly. This is violent crime, all total violent criminal code

00:18:34.140 offenses in the province of Ontario. And I'll try and move this down so you can, people can see a

00:18:40.020 little better. Just scrolling in here because I've been, I've been told on good authority that crime

00:18:44.760 is down between 2023 and 2024. And in fact, the rate of violent crime is up in Ontario. And the main

00:18:54.260 area where crime is down in terms of overall crime, violent crime is Alberta. The province

00:19:02.080 that has, like, you know, tries to pass its own provincial firearms protections. And so on this

00:19:08.320 vein, I was just wondering what can the provinces do and has Alberta been successful at all in

00:19:13.220 potentially insulating Alberta gun owners? Yeah. I will tell you that Alberta is leading the fight

00:19:20.060 as far as provinces. Saskatchewan is actually right there beside them as well. God bless the West,

00:19:25.640 because I can tell you, not only have they intervened at every single level of our core

00:19:30.440 challenge, stacked up behind us to fight this, they both implemented their own firearms act. So

00:19:37.040 there's the Alberta Firearms Act, the Saskatchewan Firearms Act. And what they've done is, although

00:19:41.440 firearms are regulated federally, once confiscations, when it comes to that point, both Alberta and Saskatchewan

00:19:49.240 put in a block, it's like a blocker. And you if you want to carry out confiscations within the

00:19:56.780 province of Alberta, or Saskatchewan, you have to be licensed by the province. And of course, I would

00:20:03.400 imagine the number of licenses they would be handing out for confiscators would be a great big fat zero,

00:20:09.040 which is beautiful. So although it doesn't change anything for gun owners are still, you know,

00:20:15.180 stuck with these firearms that they cannot use or enjoy, pass on to their loved ones, sell, trade,

00:20:21.220 buy, you know, at least they they're not getting confiscated, right? And that's, that's really

00:20:26.760 important. In Ontario, we can only dream of something like that. Doug Ford is going to do

00:20:31.620 absolutely nothing to help gun owners. He's been vocal that he doesn't support the gun bans. But at the

00:20:38.420 same time, he's totally unwilling to take any real meaningful steps to protect us. So Danielle Smith also

00:20:46.500 said recently, she's looking at the possibility of an Alberta firearms license, right? And granting special

00:20:53.700 privileges privileges in the province of Alberta. That's going to come up against a lot of opposition,

00:20:59.540 because like I said, firearms are regulated federally. However, property rights fall under the

00:21:05.920 province. Although also, if you have provincial police to which Alberta is moving towards,

00:21:10.660 you know, unless the federal government wants to pay an extra few billion dollars a year to basically

00:21:16.220 send in the RCMP into Alberta to do to carry out this federal law or to basically enforce this federal

00:21:22.680 law, you know, the provincial police can say, Oh, yeah, we're going to do it. But it's, you know,

00:21:26.580 priority number 10,000. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, you know, across the country, one of the big

00:21:32.640 problems is going to be, you know, I have terrible visions of what that looks like, because a lot of

00:21:37.460 these banned firearms, newly banned firearms are owned by indigenous communities. And I can't even 1.00

00:21:44.940 imagine what that looks like having the RCMP roll into reserves across the country to knock on doors and

00:21:52.220 collect their firearms. Like I, I don't know. I don't know what the solution here is. Well, I know what it

00:21:58.240 is, it would be to repeal all this stuff. I'm not sure that Carney's got that in him. If he does,

00:22:03.520 of course, we would support that 100%. But in the meantime, seeing Alberta and Saskatchewan stack up

00:22:09.880 behind us stack up behind gun owners all across the country, and protect Albertans from this kind of

00:22:16.560 stuff is so meaningful. And it's also a testament to the fact that, you know, you've got this former

00:22:24.020 prime minister who left this mess for Carney to deal with. And he's got a lot of work to do. So,

00:22:30.300 you know, we may not be able to stop them, but we're sure going to make it as difficult as possible.

00:22:35.740 I think one of the difficulties in stopping them, and the thing that's disappointing about this issue,

00:22:39.960 even more than a lot of other political issues, is that there's truly no argument from the left on

00:22:46.540 as to why firearms should be confiscated, why certain models should be banned. It's an area where

00:22:54.020 it's not, there's no statistical vagaries. The statistics are extremely clear. It almost feels

00:22:59.460 trite to even have to say it, because it's said quite often whenever the topic's brought up by people

00:23:04.420 in favor of firearm rights. If you have a possession and acquisition license, you are one third as likely

00:23:11.640 to commit a violent offense as the average Canadian. And now, obviously, the average has

00:23:17.920 criminals and other individuals, you know, put in that population. But the whole point is that

00:23:24.000 you can't be a PAL holder and be a convicted felon. You can't be a violent offender and still have your

00:23:30.000 PAL, which I've always thought is a great argument for, in fact, introducing gun licensing classes into

00:23:37.360 high schools. Give kids more responsibilities. I've always found that one big problem with society

00:23:43.860 over time, especially in big cities, is when people, you know, don't have firearm licenses,

00:23:48.420 but people don't have driver's licenses. You know, they use public transportation. They rely on a lot of

00:23:54.220 services to do things for them. Even just the fact that people probably use Amazon too much. People end up

00:23:59.840 becoming very much people who need permission to do things rather than people with responsibilities or

00:24:05.540 have the, you know, because we have rights and responsibilities, rights and duties. And we have

00:24:10.880 a population oftentimes who's becoming, especially in urban centers, very rights oriented, but with none

00:24:18.900 of the duties. And so then they don't respect certain things like firearm rights, because that's something

00:24:23.680 that comes with duties attached to it. Yeah. Well, and I mean, you know, the licensing in regime in

00:24:30.740 Canada is very strict. We've got some of the strictest gun control in the world before these

00:24:37.040 bans. And for the most part, it worked relatively well. You know, the crime rate amongst legal firearms

00:24:44.220 owners is almost nothing. There are outliers, of course, like any other, you know, segment of the

00:24:50.520 population. There's always an outlier here or there, but we don't regulate anything else that way.

00:24:56.320 Right. We didn't. When a guy, you know, rented a U-Haul van and drove it into a crowd of people

00:25:02.100 killing 13 people in Toronto, we didn't. Nobody said we maybe we should look at U-Haul vans or maybe

00:25:10.480 we should look at the rental process. Nobody did that. They blame the criminal who committed the act

00:25:15.480 or terrorist, whatever you want to call them. They blamed him specifically. So why is it with firearms?

00:25:22.260 You know, I've got a, I've got a mini 14 wrench rifle. It's a very common firearm that like probably

00:25:30.500 millions of Canadians own. There's a lot of them, right? It's a perfect little environment gun. It's

00:25:35.060 a small caliber firearm, but it was also the firearm used in the polytechnic shooting. And so people say,

00:25:42.360 well, why would you own that? And it's, you're tying me to a horrific crime that was committed when I

00:25:50.040 was a child, you know, it's got nothing to do with me. I had nothing to do with that. And neither did

00:25:55.020 anyone else in my community. He was an unlicensed criminal. Right. But you, we, we measure that in

00:26:02.340 a different way. Right. Like we, we look at those things in a completely different manner. And I just,

00:26:07.680 I don't, I don't know why it's acceptable to assign collective guilt to millions of good Canadians

00:26:14.760 who've done nothing to deserve it. At the same time, we've got stuff like C5 and C75 that led

00:26:20.940 some very, um, that can reduce the sentencing for some very serious violent firearms crimes.

00:26:27.060 People always forget about C5. And naturally these days people associate with that major projects

00:26:32.400 act that it's probably not going to get many major projects done. Uh, but bill C5 like is almost more

00:26:39.400 startling than C75. Like C75 is really bad. It's the bail reform laws that allow basically a revolving

00:26:46.620 door system in the courts so that violent offenders and repeat, uh, like property crime offenders keep

00:26:52.500 getting back out over and over again. But C5 was passed after the gun bans were implemented that lets 0.61

00:26:59.660 gang members hacking illegally obtained like handguns. Those guys get off easier. Like what?

00:27:07.320 Oh yeah. It's just a handout basically to gangs in Toronto, to rural gangs who are getting guns

00:27:13.460 slipped over the border. And then we just had this report a few days ago by the head of the Canadian

00:27:18.800 Police Chiefs Association saying that, by the way, Trump's kind of right about the border. We have

00:27:23.640 no ability to know if drugs or guns are coming over. We can't say that only 1% of fentanyl is being

00:27:30.220 seized over our border because we have no clue what's going over our border.

00:27:33.100 Yeah. Well, and then when people quote that to me, that 1% of fentanyl,

00:27:37.820 you know, comes from Canada, it's like, that's what they seized. That's not what got through.

00:27:42.700 One, you know, there's, there's, there's a few guys dumb enough to get caught sneaking drugs over

00:27:49.100 the Canadian border when it's, it's easier like than anything you can get. It's easier to get,

00:27:56.460 I don't even know you can get you. Passing high school is more difficult than being a drug dealer in

00:28:01.740 Canada these days. And the thing is that they are saying they can't even search packages

00:28:07.020 underneath 500 grams, not just search. They can't even get a warrant. They can have a package. Feel

00:28:12.700 it. Oh, there's a lot of pills in here. 495 grams. Can't check it. It's like, what the heck?

00:28:18.780 Well, just like you look at the railway system, right? So we've got trains that come from all the

00:28:24.140 way up from the United States up through Manitoba, right into the north. And it's a pipeline. Because

00:28:30.380 0% of railway cars are being inspected. So you could put anything you want there, nobody's checking.

00:28:36.860 And we're not talking about just smuggling guns into the country or even just drugs,

00:28:40.940 but human trafficking, all kinds of horrible things are happening. And that's why when I think about the

00:28:47.100 billions of dollars are going to waste on a confiscation program. I can think of 100,000

00:28:53.660 different ways to spend that money that could have a positive impact on public safety. Just

00:28:58.860 inspecting those railway cars. Hire some people. Give some good Canadians some jobs. There's young

00:29:03.420 people out there looking for jobs. The jobless rate is rising, right? Give them some jobs.

00:29:09.260 100%. It's a low-skilled job. Any Canadian could work with some basic training. It would pay well,

00:29:15.420 too, because it needs to be done. It's a security role. And just checking 1% of train cars on every

00:29:22.140 train that stops at a station would pretty much dry up a lot of the trafficking overnight,

00:29:27.260 because nobody's going to take a 10% shot that they lose all of the money that they invested

00:29:31.580 in trying to move goods around the country. And then what we had heard from people like Sam Cooper

00:29:36.380 and previous reports from the government is that when you have ships coming into port in Vancouver,

00:29:42.140 I know this doesn't have as much to do with guns, although it has to do with the hypocrisy of the

00:29:45.900 government. Less than 1% of sea cans are even searched. It's like a decimal point. You might

00:29:52.940 as well just chance it because it's a lottery winner's chance that the government's ever going

00:29:57.020 to catch you. Well, and this is what I'm talking about. I forget what they were debating in committee,

00:30:04.060 but there was a public safety committee where an Alberta MP member, Blaine Culkins, had brought forward

00:30:11.740 a study that they did. And they looked at these, you know, these great big x-ray scanners too,

00:30:16.060 that you could put at the border that basically could drive vehicles through, right? Instead of doing

00:30:21.500 just, you know, hands-on visual inspections, you would be driving through an x-ray machine similar to

00:30:27.900 to an airport scanner, right? And the cost of these things, and they are quite expensive. But for the cost

00:30:34.700 of the gun ban confiscation program, you could put a number of these at every single entry into the

00:30:43.020 country. So every car could be going through this, right? And you drive through and of course if they,

00:30:49.180 it's like, as long as it takes you to wait for your bag to go through the scanner at the airport,

00:30:53.500 they drive through, yeah, okay, looks good, that's fine. But not only could we detect smuggled guns

00:30:58.940 coming into the country that is fueling the violence that we're seeing every day on streets 0.91

00:31:03.420 across the country, we could stop drugs, we could stop human trafficking. It's just there's no

00:31:08.700 political will to do it, right? Gun bans against legal owners, for some reason, seem sexier to

00:31:14.380 these people. I don't know if it's because we wouldn't traditionally vote for them anyways. But it's,

00:31:20.300 you know, I don't know what kind of country we want to live in, where Canada's most law-abiding

00:31:26.940 sector is under constant attack, have had to, you know, organize themselves and spend millions of

00:31:33.500 dollars fighting a government that wants to kick in their doors and take their property. While at the

00:31:37.980 same time, you've got violent criminals that are forced back out on the street. Like, there's not

00:31:44.220 even an option. They have to give them the lightest sentence possible. And that's what Bill C75 does.

00:31:50.220 I ended up studying this and it's like, can you hold criminals in prison? Yes. But when you're

00:31:56.060 dealing with very progressive judges who don't want to lock up anyone, who don't want to hold

00:32:00.300 anyone on without bail. And even if the prosecutors go through all of the hoops and gyrations in order

00:32:07.420 to make a filing, because they have a limited amount of time, sometimes not even enough time to actually

00:32:12.060 fill out the paperwork, but they have a very limited amount of time to fill out all the evidence as

00:32:16.140 why this person needs to be held. And that still may not actually cause the judge to hold them.

00:32:21.900 And if they don't do the paperwork, the judge has to automatically release, even if they are a

00:32:26.460 sensible individual. And so even in situations where the judge wants to hold them and the prosecutors

00:32:31.900 would like to hold them, well, they only are in a jail cell for 48 hours until the release and

00:32:37.100 the prosecutors have no time to actually file anything that's legally viable to hold them.

00:32:42.540 Whereas like, that's the funny thing. We live in a country where judges are not able to have

00:32:47.820 judgment in terms of actually carrying out the law. But if you're a judge who wants to, you know,

00:32:55.180 let people off easy because they're an immigrant, you don't want them deported for committing a violent 1.00

00:33:00.780 crime. That's okay. So if you do the right thing, you get, you can't do the right thing, but you can do the

00:33:05.900 wrong thing as a judge, or you just do whatever the very bland, you know, unjust law tells you to do.

00:33:13.340 It's ridiculous. Everything just leans the wrong way when it comes to a judicial system.

00:33:18.380 Yeah. Well, this soft on crime approach that we've had for the last decade,

00:33:22.540 we're seeing the results of that, right? Like the results are in. It's been 10 years and it's been a

00:33:28.300 tragic bloody failure. Literally people are dying because of the policies of the, of this liberal

00:33:34.380 government. You know, they've got a new leader. They've got a new prime minister. He's got all

00:33:38.940 kinds of runway. If he wants to take the country in a better, different direction, improve, improve

00:33:45.980 public safety, which would have a whole bunch of benefits, right? People would feel safer. People

00:33:50.700 would be happier. It would appease some of the criticisms from our neighbors to the south. They're

00:33:57.740 just in general, it would improve public safety.

00:34:00.700 I just want to point out this right here that I had this on screen a bit ago, but like Alberta has

00:34:05.660 actually been having violent crime go down between 2023 and 2024. And this is what drives me up the

00:34:10.940 wall about the media is that when you, they will report that crime is down in Canada. When in fact,

00:34:17.500 crime is not down in Canada, crime is down in Alberta. That's pretty much all they're basically

00:34:22.460 saying, but they will still report as if the problem's now going away. They will bend over backwards

00:34:28.780 to pretend like things are not nearly as bad on the crime front. But then when it comes to guns,

00:34:35.900 what's been your experience in trying to deal with the media and your treatment as somebody who

00:34:40.620 like has the facts? Yeah. Well, I always say it's funny. I do a lot of media interviews almost every

00:34:47.900 day and you'll see maybe, you know, one sentence or half a sentence that they quote me, but we're on the

00:34:54.060 phone for an hour and they're asking me all kinds of questions. And I'm like, wow, this is great.

00:34:58.300 They're interested in the topic. You know, they're going to write a really wholesome piece on, you

00:35:03.180 know, different points of view and then you get it. And there's like half a sentence of what you

00:35:07.900 talked about. I mean, it's still an exercise in trying to educate these people because most people

00:35:14.380 don't, don't know about it. It is a very complex topic. It takes a lot of work to actually

00:35:19.820 understand it, but the media absolutely has a bias. And then they'll say, well, why do you need these

00:35:25.340 weapons of war and things like that? Look, there's about 80 years of military service sitting at my

00:35:31.340 dining room table right now. And I can tell you, there isn't an army in the world that would use

00:35:35.820 any of these firearms. In fact, if you, you know, I got a young daughter in the army who's just recently

00:35:41.740 back from a deployment. If you had sent her over there with any of these firearms that, that, 1.00

00:35:46.700 that would have been recently banned, she'd be dead. So it's just, you know, they hear the

00:35:51.580 government talking points. Trudeau would have those breathy press conferences with the silhouette

00:35:56.300 of an AR-15 on the podium. And, you know, we are doing what we can to make Canadians safe. Meanwhile,

00:36:03.900 you know, people's doors are getting kicked in all over the GTA home and violent armed home invasions

00:36:08.860 are out of control. There's videos every single day, violent protests, like it's just mayhem out there.

00:36:15.020 Right. So I feel like the media repeats that stuff, um, without actually putting any thought

00:36:22.460 into whether or not it's true. And that's where it becomes an ideological thing. You, you may actually

00:36:27.580 have someone listening to you on the phone for an hour, but they simply do not have the ears to actually

00:36:32.700 hear what you're saying to them. They may be attempting to take it in. They just, the ideological

00:36:38.140 biases just say that you're wrong at the end of the day though, or, you know, you guys have some

00:36:43.260 contentions, but you know, people will die if we don't do this, uh, which is always my favorite

00:36:48.300 justification for doing anything that some risk may have, like, you know, risk may occur just like

00:36:54.060 we're seeing in Ontario where a judge blocked the removal of bike lanes that were causing downtown

00:36:59.660 congestion, uh, because someone could get hurt if we don't have a bike lane around. Um, but what are,

00:37:06.940 what's the, I guess, what's the next steps for, uh, for the CCFR going into, uh, the latter half of

00:37:12.700 this year when parliament comes back into session, or do you guys have any ongoing court challenges?

00:37:18.300 Yeah. So we are waiting to hear from the Supreme Court to see if they are going to, um, accept our application.

00:37:24.460 Of course, you don't get to decide to be heard at the Supreme Court. They choose who they hear.

00:37:29.420 I think this case is in the interest of the public, which is a good reason to go. Um, and yeah, so we're waiting

00:37:37.900 to hear from that. I'm really, really hoping that the Supreme Court will hear it. Um, at the same time,

00:37:43.820 you know, it's hard not to be jaded with the judicial system and everything that's gone on and

00:37:49.020 some of the crazy stuff, you know, you have no right to own the property that you've owned safely

00:37:53.900 and without issue for decades, if not generations, but you know, plastic ban, you know, that's, that's

00:38:00.620 different. Like, it, it just seems like an upside down clan world, but we're not going to give up.

00:38:05.100 We're still pushing forward. You know, our ultimate goal is to keep these guns in the hands of the people

00:38:11.260 who own them, who bought them and who've used them for, like I said, decades, if not generations

00:38:16.620 safely. Um, and, um, yeah, see what happens with that. I do expect Carney to, he has no choice,

00:38:23.580 but to extend the amnesty out. And I do know that another little thing that was recently leaked to me

00:38:30.780 is he's resurrecting CFAC, the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee. And this is something that we've

00:38:36.620 seen multiple governments put into place and it's usually a, you know, a table of experts or

00:38:41.980 stakeholders. Um, of course, under the liberals, it was stacked with anti-gun lobbyists. And,

00:38:48.140 you know, I think the only representation from the firearms community, aside from Linda Keiko, 0.51

00:38:54.140 who's an Olympic sports shooter was a, you know, a head of a farming organization, you know, because

00:39:01.260 that must have something to do with this. Right. So very rarely did they ever been invited. Oh yeah,

00:39:07.420 no, of course not. You wouldn't want an actual expert at the table. Right. So, um, we'll see

00:39:12.060 what that membership looks like. Of course, we're going to push to get on that. Like I said, I don't

00:39:16.700 know that we can stop this government, but we're going to do everything we can to make things as

00:39:21.340 difficult and painful as possible for them. Um, and keep the guns in the hands of the people who expect

00:39:27.980 us to, to do that. So yeah, we're just keep pushing forward and, um, there's nothing that

00:39:33.660 we won't do for gun owners. So, well, it's great that you guys actually have seemingly more resolve

00:39:38.940 for your cause than the government at least has for their cause. Cause at least that allows us to

00:39:43.020 stay in the holding pattern today, but for anyone out there who is a gun owner and is, you know,

00:39:48.220 interested in becoming a gun owner, getting a PAL license, go check out the CCFR website. I will have

00:39:54.540 that linked in the description below as well as pinned at the top of the comments, but thanks

00:39:58.780 for coming on the show today, Tracy. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. It was a lot of fun.

00:40:03.740 Well, thank you. We'll make sure to come back soon. Anyways, see you guys all later.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - August 15, 2025

Liberals gun ban STALLS OUT, but Carney won drop it (ft. Tracey Wilson)

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