00:13:32I am keeping Carney on the hook for the fact that he said he could resolve the situation
00:13:37and then has done nothing to actually resolve the situation.0.58
00:13:40In fact, he's making it worse because not only is he not at the table, but we keep integrating closer and closer with China, a country he labeled our biggest national security threat, on topics like steel as well as autos, electric vehicles, which the Americans do not want getting into their country.0.88
00:13:59So if you let an inflow of Chinese EVs that not only undermines your own market, but also freaks out the Americans, you will never get a trade deal.0.79
00:14:11And Carney seems to have acknowledged this in other interviews, that his integration with China has distanced himself further from the Americans.
00:14:19That's why we're helping a lot of auto companies.
00:14:23That's why, notwithstanding what's going on with the U.S., we've been able to have good news.
00:14:29and that's why others other makers are actually doubling down on canada and so we will continue
00:14:36to be in that solution mode but at the same time the fact that they are willing to sell the plant
00:14:42and they've said that they would be selling the plant is a violation of the contract so as a
00:14:47former litigation lawyer it is clear to me that we need to proceed what remedies can you have
00:14:53what you actually have and by the way she still has not even sued stelco that one's been going
00:14:58on for like a month and a half at this point and all she's done is just posted random statements
00:15:03on twitter apparently just continuing to threaten that she might do something at some point and all
00:15:09the tools are on the table but never has actually pulled the trigger probably because she knows that
00:15:14she would lose these cases and so the most she can do is just sit there and pretend to be tough
00:15:20while everyone knows she's never going to do something tough because she's in the wrong so
00:15:25we're willing to hear their response meanwhile the government of ontario and the government of
00:15:30canada will be also meeting uh with the global ceo antonio filosa which i had numerous conversations
00:15:37with and i'm always willing to be in solution mode yes do you actually have for a breach i mean like
00:15:45obviously you've spoken about the money and you know the provinces mentioned that too but yeah
00:15:50what other remedies do you have and could any of them potentially block the sale so this is a
00:15:55different cause of you're referring to another potential uh case which is telco which is an
00:16:02investment canada act and under the investment canada act because it was a foreign buyer i have
00:16:10the uh authority uh through a court process to force uh the cell in this case it is the fact
00:16:17So what she's saying in the Stelco situation is that because Stelco is a foreign buyer,
00:16:24Cleveland Cliffs is the parent company, an American company,
00:16:28and they had purchased the Stelco steel company that was going out of business.
00:16:32And, you know, obviously that would have meant a lot of workers were going to be laid off.
00:16:38Stelco in 22 or 24 or something like that, or I think it might have been, yeah, it was in the 2020s.
00:16:43They came in, purchased Stelco, Cleveland Cliffs did, and preserved all those jobs.
00:16:49But because of the heavy steel tariffs from the United States, the Stelco CEO, I forget what his last name is, is like Gonglaves, which people told me I say wrong.
00:16:58He even said like, well, am I really supposed, I'm not allowed to lay anyone off even temporarily during the trade conflict, which makes much of our steel production worthless because we can't trade with the United States and we have no ability to stockpile it.
00:17:11obviously I'm not going to employ people to sit around doing nothing while we can't do anything
00:17:16productive. She's saying because they temporarily, maybe it's permanent, but he said it's temporary,
00:17:22because they temporarily laid off 500 workers, that she using the Investment Canada Act is going
00:17:28to try and force them because they're a foreign company to sell to a Canadian company who will
00:17:34then in theory re-employ those 500 people. I'm sorry, what is it going from an American parent
00:17:40company to a Canadian parent company change about the economic reality of how unviable
00:17:45the steel industry is without the ability to ship to the United States. That's really the big thing
00:17:51here. Again, this is all foreign capital investment poison. No foreign capital is going to see the
00:17:59situation and feel more confident about investing in Canada. Again, you might as well just cover the
00:18:04entire country in a plastic tarp and put anthrax attacks warnings all over our borders
00:18:10and this at the time came to see the government to support them in the expansion of their
00:18:20different plants maybe in windsor maybe in brampton and so that's why it's under our contract
00:18:25that we uh have we have uh an option well actually we have the right to go ahead and
00:18:33eventually sue them to make sure that we're reimbursed for hundreds of millions of dollars
00:18:37that's the only remedy that's available to you at this point well we also can work with the company
00:18:43to find solutions and we've done that with uh we we've worked actually with honda with toyota
00:18:51with ford and so there are options on the table i don't want the workers in brenton to think that
00:18:57we're letting them hanging right now not at all i've been at this for a year and i want a solution
00:19:04because i want the workers to be able to go back uh to to to their plant and and and be proud of
00:19:11what they do i'm sorry how have you been how have you taken over almost a year to come up with a
00:19:19solution to this problem at the very least let's say a lot of this is happening to her and she's
00:19:24not the one causing the problem although we know that she's causing many of the problems here let's
00:19:28assume she's not the problem at the very least she is a problem from the perspective that she has
00:19:33nothing she has no clue what she's doing so why is she still the industry industry minister
00:19:39mark carney could fire her if he's the guy who cares about performance and he comes from the
00:19:45private sector in the banking sector and he knows how to operate a big entity a big organization
00:19:52like the government, shouldn't he be getting rid of her if she has been proven to be incompetent0.97
00:19:56as well as dishonest? The only problem is that Mark Carney would have to fire himself because
00:20:01he is indulged in the exact same lies and excuses that Melanie Jolie has. We have a little bit more
00:20:07here. And then she made it even worse this morning because then she did another press conference1.00
00:20:11with, I believe, the Ontario industry minister or someone from the Ontario government where she
00:20:17claimed that she's still in solutions mode and she still doesn't know what to do here. It's like,
00:20:21It's almost like, you know, you're stuck and you're just blathering to try and fill time until the scandal goes away, pretending like you're going to do something any day now.
00:21:19There's only a little bit left anyways. It was a disaster. It just looked bad. She looks unorganized. She looks like a complete amateur. Talking about these issues, she just clearly does not have anything.
00:21:32And this was her today. Colin DeMello here from Global News in Ontario says,
00:21:39Federal Industry Minister Melanie Jolie says both levels of government are still in solution mode to prevent the sale of the Brampton Auto Assembly plant.
00:21:47Politicians will be presenting new scenarios to Stellantis' global CEO.
00:21:53Like, I thought you were just going to hold him accountable. Why do you have to present options to him?
00:21:57It's almost like he's actually the one in the driver's seat here.
00:22:00and what if she was talking about well you know we need hundreds of billions of dollars from them
00:22:04they're already willing to give you 220 billion a million dollars or not hundreds of billions but
00:22:09hundreds of millions he's already willing to give you 220 million dollars to reimburse a bunch of
00:22:14the subsidies that they had gotten and but now like so what were you what else were you looking
00:22:20for for from them they're obviously not staying but she's just pretending like there might be some
00:22:25silver lining here when there isn't? So we've put an aggressive package to Stellantis to prevent
00:22:34the sale. And we are still in solution mode to prevent the sale. Working with the premier,
00:22:43working with Vic, our goal is to work also with Unifor to find new scenarios. And what came out
00:22:51of the meeting yesterday, is that we would be presenting new scenarios to the global CEO of
00:22:57Stellantis, Antonio Firoza, looking forward to having these conversations with him.
00:23:02And why, so why should it be illegal in her mind for Stellantis to sell to Rochelle? Is Rochelle
00:23:09not allowed buying a plant currently operated by different companies? Is that illegal in Canada?
00:23:14Again, if it's not economically viable for them to operate this Brampton plant because
00:23:19taxes and regulations in the economy are too high why shouldn't they be able to leave and if they're
00:23:24saying well it's in their contract they can't whether that it's in their contract or not which
00:23:28they've still never showed us that's asinine and that's going to prevent future capital investments
00:23:33from being made in Canada because it's just too much of a it's too much of a headache to operate0.97
00:23:38in Canada with these people doing crap like this I liked this uh this post from from Tristan Hopper
00:23:46here tristan hopper from the national post he says reminder that this whole controversy surrounds0.88
00:23:52the fate of roughly 2 000 jobs so about enough to cover two days worth of carney's new immigration
00:23:58plan yeah isn't that a great idea we're having job like we're having mass layoffs right now
00:24:04across different industries let's bring in nearly a million people in here why not why not bring in
00:24:10nearly a million more people obviously that will only cause good to happen right now and now
00:24:17melanie jolie is back at it again for uh eight hours ago this morning she says here is my
00:24:24statement following my meeting with stellantis the battle oh my goodness she's gonna use the word
00:24:28battle just stop shut up she says the battle for stellantis workers in brampton is one worth
00:24:35fighting. One year ago, I stood shoulder to shoulder with the workers on the picket line
00:24:40in Brampton. I always hate that when government representatives join a picket line. Stop it. Shut
00:24:46up. You're in government. Lower the taxes. Lower regulations. Make it easier to keep jobs here.1.00
00:24:53You're going to join the Unifor workers in a picket line and say, I'm ticked off like you're
00:24:59ticked off. No, you're not. Shut up. Get out of here. Go get a real job if you suck as the
00:25:04industry minister. She goes on to say, since then, we've worked in good faith with Stellantis,0.99
00:25:10Unifor, and the province of Ontario to find solutions. We've had numerous meetings in
00:25:14Brampton, Toronto, and Ottawa. I've always been clear, bringing back the jobs is our number one
00:25:19priority. Stellantis is breaching its contractual commitments to the government, to Canadians,
00:25:23and most importantly, to the workers. Yesterday, we convened the decision makers of Stellantis,
00:25:29Unifor, and the province of Ontario. I was clear that our patience has reached its limit.
00:25:34Stellantis is on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:25:38This is happening at a time when other automakers are doubling down and investing in their plans across the province.
00:25:48Stellantis also produces EVs, and the government has just signed a new agreement with China
00:25:54to not only continue allowing them to dump EVs in Canada,
00:25:58but to greatly increase the amount of EVs they were going to be able to dump.
00:26:02I think this year, it was like 38, or the next year is going to be like 38,000 EVs. Apparently, it's going to be punching well over 40,000 or 50,000 now. Why would Stellantis want to stay? To get undermined by China dumping extra EVs in our economy? No, they're going to leave, because they're not stupid.
00:26:49But now I want to jump over to a CBC segment where Rosemary Barton has her normal panel on with Althea Raj, Andrew Coyne, and what's her name?0.87
00:27:03Hubert. I forget her name. Why am I forgetting her first name? It doesn't really matter, though.
00:27:08I just want to show you this because you know you messed up whenever you've lost Andrew Coyne.
00:27:14He represents basically that soft liberal, you know, swing voter that they relied on heavily in 2025.
00:27:22Now, he's been a liberal since Pierre Polyev basically became the conservative party leader because, oh, my goodness, conservatism in my conservative party?
00:27:30No, sir. And then Carney then Cohen left and joined the Carney liberals.
00:27:35Effectively, he'll still call himself a conservative, but he isn't.
00:27:37But when you've lost him and he's saying how bad this is, it's because it's really bad because Carney and other fake conservatives like Fred DeLore live for nothing more than to flack catch for the Liberal Party these days.
00:27:50And when you've lost them and they are unwilling to put on the flack jacket and catch bullets for you, it's because you done messed up, son.
00:27:58So how has Ottawa handled these talks with Stellantis? And does the battle tell us anything about the challenges the government faces in managing companies affected, in industries affected by tariffs?
00:28:09I'm Rosemary Barton here to break it all down tonight. Chantilly Baer, Andrew Coyne and Althea Raj.
00:28:13I want to talk about the specific example, obviously, but I also want to talk about what you all think it means more broadly for how this government approaches these kinds of issues.
00:28:24and whether, you know, it is a change from the previous government.
00:28:29Andrew, let me start with you on the specifics of what has unfolded here.
00:28:33You know, the minister's talking tough, but the jobs are gone.