The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - October 13, 2025


Liberals in Denial - Polls shows Liberals approve Carney going Elbows Down


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A poll that shows how weak the cognitive dissonance is within the Liberal Party is on trade with the US and how it's appropriate and inappropriate to praise Donald Trump. Only 21% of Liberals think it was appropriate to praise the US President.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. I have a very funny polling result I need to show you guys
00:00:06.760 that demonstrates how strong the cognitive dissonance is inside the Liberal Party right now.
00:00:13.460 Remember, we had an election where the Liberals only got their minority government because they
00:00:19.460 ran really hard against Donald Trump and the U.S. They were going to be elbows up, they were going
00:00:25.060 to be super aggressive and not cede any territory on trade. Carney was going to ride down to
00:00:31.220 Washington, D.C. on the turret of an Abrams tank and slap Trump across the face and tell him that
00:00:36.780 he better give us a great trade deal in Vermont too or we're not going to back down and we're just
00:00:42.780 going to invade or something. The rhetoric during the election was insane about ending our relationship
00:00:48.820 with the U.S. and all of the elbows up nonsense and talking like, again, we were going to be some
00:00:55.140 big force who's going to go down and bully the U.S. into doing whatever we wanted. And since the
00:01:01.280 election, he's kind of gone elbows up and then he's kind of gone elbows down back and forth. Again,
00:01:06.760 we should just have a smart trade position. There's no aggressive or passive stance. Let's just have
00:01:13.300 an intelligence stance. But we haven't done that, which is why Carney recently had to go back to
00:01:18.800 the Oval Office like he did in May and start being nice again just to restart talks. We are also
00:01:25.180 making a ton of concessions, not to get a deal, but just to try and get to some sort of a real
00:01:31.280 negotiation again because we start restarting and ending trade talks by basically saying,
00:01:37.880 no, we're not going to give you anything. The Americans are like, well, this is ended. And then
00:01:41.660 we get mad and we put tariffs on them and then we take tariffs off after they call us out for doing
00:01:46.040 something that they weren't even doing. It's all a mess. But you guys have to look at this
00:01:51.820 polling result from Angus Reid. And the question is, was it appropriate or inappropriate for Mark
00:02:01.660 Carney to praise Donald Trump? And obviously referring to the extremely warm way that Carney
00:02:07.800 acted towards Trump in that Oval Office meeting. And so look at this. Overall, we have 44% of
00:02:15.600 Canadians thinking that it's appropriate, 33% saying it's inappropriate, and 22% being undecided.
00:02:21.640 And I'm going to tell you, the results from NDP, Conservative, and Bloc supporters does not matter
00:02:28.680 here. The only one that matters is Liberals. Because if a Conservative says it's appropriate to praise him,
00:02:34.680 that would be someone like me. I think it is appropriate to praise the US President. Frankly,
00:02:38.900 he's been doing a really good job on a lot of things, like ending the war in Gaza. And, you know,
00:02:44.280 generally speaking, if you want to make a trade deal with the country, you should be nice. And Trump is
00:02:48.620 the type of person where you should, you know, praise him. He just has a personality where he likes
00:02:53.760 praise. And so regardless if you like him or not, I tend to generally like him quite a bit. If you,
00:02:59.960 you should be nice. It's just basic. And I could see a lot of Conservatives,
00:03:04.020 although also saying it's inappropriate to be praising him. And there may be some just really
00:03:09.740 hate Donald Trump, and you're not supposed to praise him at all. Some may also just say it's
00:03:13.780 inappropriate based on what Carney said during the election. So right here, you get, you know,
00:03:19.200 the 40% of Conservatives saying it's appropriate, 42% saying it's inappropriate. I think that's
00:03:25.080 mostly going to be either people saying, of course, you should be nice to the US President.
00:03:28.780 And then most of the people who disagree with praising him, it's probably the hypocrisy thing
00:03:34.760 that Carney should stick to what he said. If he said he was going to go elbows up, then he should
00:03:39.000 do it. And then over here, we have NDP, 37% saying it's appropriate, 39% inappropriate.
00:03:46.680 Block, 33% says it's appropriate, 45% says it's inappropriate. Generally speaking, the block is the
00:03:53.080 most lopsided of the other parties, but generally speaking, it's 50-50 with all the parties. Either it's
00:03:58.780 appropriate, likely because you think that that's how we get to a trade deal, or you like Donald
00:04:03.460 Trump, or a combination of both. Or you say it's inappropriate, maybe because you dislike Donald
00:04:07.800 Trump, or because you think it's inappropriate based on what Mark Carney was saying, and he should
00:04:12.480 stick to his guns there if he claimed he was going to be the super tough guy. But look at this liberal
00:04:20.200 result. 56% of elbows up liberals think it was appropriate to praise Donald Trump. Only 21%,
00:04:28.760 against the lowest number of all the parties, and 23% are undecided. This is what cognitive
00:04:36.340 dissonance looks like. This is quite incredible. Only 21% think it was inappropriate for Mark Carney
00:04:45.940 to do the exact opposite of what he had promised during the actual campaign federally. You can't
00:04:52.840 even make it up. A lot of these people genuinely can hold both positions in their minds. They,
00:05:00.280 at the same time, believe that they are proud Canadian nationalists standing up against the
00:05:06.880 Americans. They're totally fine with Mark Carney doing the exact opposite of what he promised,
00:05:11.000 because at the end of the day, they're liberal supporters first, and they're principled and consistent
00:05:15.980 second. That is pretty much it. And so I have been seeing people doing logical backflips in order
00:05:22.840 to actually justify this stuff. And I thought it was great. I thought this statement was great, even
00:05:28.140 though if I disagree with his politics overall, I thought this statement was really good from a few
00:05:32.800 days ago from the Bloc Québécois leader, Yves-Francois Blanchet, who pointed out just how Mark Carney
00:05:40.800 ran the last election and how he's been talking to Donald Trump, the Americans recently.
00:05:45.100 To that, I must add that the federal government has surrendered everything. Anybody can check
00:05:55.520 counter-tariffs, frontiers, defense, taxes on the giants of the web, and now opening to some
00:06:09.460 negotiations, which of course are not good for Quebecers and Canadians. And Mr. Carney, which has
00:06:16.840 been elected, has been elected saying, I'm the new hero. I'll come from the sky with a cape. I will
00:06:22.880 start negotiation one week before the election. I will fix the tariffs, and I will start a negotiation
00:06:29.120 for a new trade agreement. Six months later, we have seen nothing of it, nothing of it. And I will
00:06:39.440 remind remind to everybody that those projects that he wants to go forward with against the rules and
00:06:46.820 the provinces and Quebec will not change the economy of Canada before years after Mr. Trump is no more
00:06:54.660 president of the United States. So I disagree with him saying that it's somehow violent of provincial
00:07:01.040 sovereignty to actually approve major projects. The thing is that provinces themselves cannot hold up the
00:07:06.880 national economy. There should always be a balance. I am a federalist. I think that provinces should have
00:07:12.560 a lot of say and a lot of power. But we can't be in this relationship where you can just block
00:07:17.760 Alberta pipelines from now until the end of eternity. Because I don't want it. It's like, well, it's a
00:07:25.280 tiny pipeline that's going across your border to get to the sea. And our federal government controls the
00:07:32.000 borders. This province that's landlocked needs to get its oil from here to there or to there. East or
00:07:39.840 west, make your choice. You cannot, your province does not have the power of basically saying that
00:07:45.120 that country's economy can't exist or that province's economy can't exist. Maybe a country at some point
00:07:51.340 if they keep messing around. Who knows? But anyways, I now just want to move on to this one clip of Mark
00:07:57.600 Carney praising Donald Trump again recently for, again, the objective good work he did
00:08:02.400 during, for the, for the Gaza peace deal. But none of this should exist. We recognize,
00:08:08.800 remember we recognize the state of Palestine that's being run by Hamas? In fact, Marco Rubio,
00:08:14.800 the Secretary of State in the United States, had made a very good point that the war was basically
00:08:21.280 prolonged by countries like Canada, the UK, France, whatnot, go recognizing Palestine,
00:08:29.440 because we said, oh, if they don't, if they, there's no peace deal by September, we're going
00:08:33.120 to recognize Palestine, or October or whatever, like, like mid September. And then so Hamas just
00:08:38.960 held out because they won the recognition, which meant that they fought longer, they fought for months
00:08:44.160 longer, rather than surrendering to hostages and ending this thing because we were going to give them
00:08:48.960 international recognition of what they held out long enough. It's stupid.
00:08:52.560 It is a day for optimism. I want to salute, of course, President Trump, whose decisive leadership
00:08:59.520 has made this possible. We urge the parties, particularly Hamas, to follow through, release 0.70
00:09:04.720 all the hostages and including the deceased hostages. The President and I discussed in the White
00:09:13.040 House how Canada can support this process. We are supporting with humanitarian aid. There's other
00:09:19.760 Canada can support it by shutting up and sitting in the corner at this point. I wish Canada could be
00:09:24.400 a world leader on the foreign, on foreign policy, on being able to actually solve problems. We can't
00:09:29.600 because we have an incompetent government. So the best I can wish for is that they just stay out of it.
00:09:35.040 They're just bad at it. This government is incompetent. And now I want to just do one final clip
00:09:40.880 here. And this one's hilarious because it's exactly what I assumed it would be. So Laura Babcock,
00:09:48.960 I have to gird myself up because we're doing a Laura Babcock clip. The woman who clearly needs to 1.00
00:09:56.800 be taking her lithium, of course, believes that you're a hypocrite or you're somehow bad if you
00:10:02.560 think that this is, you know, that, that Carney lying about his stance on how he was going to deal
00:10:09.040 with the U.S. was bad. Okay, just here's her. We have one part for her show at least. So we're
00:10:14.880 going to have this guy saying it. But this is something the Laura Babcock obviously agrees with
00:10:20.240 since she's a co-host. We have one party that's on one hand criticizing the prime minister for not
00:10:27.200 being elbows up enough while putting forward policies that would basically integrate us
00:10:32.480 into the same kind of shitty, sicko political culture that has, it is now permeating in the
00:10:38.320 States. So pick a fucking lame, Pierre. Like what's it going to be? Like, what's it going to be? Are you
00:10:43.920 elbows up for Canada? Or are you, you know, let's, let's follow the leader and, you know,
00:10:50.240 start this culture war because culture wars seem to be working in the States. That shit doesn't work
00:10:54.720 here. What is he talking about? Culture wars? Culture wars? You mean like he doesn't want men 1.00
00:11:03.920 and women's sports? Like, what are you talking about the culture wars? And at the end of the day, 1.00
00:11:08.880 I've seen this. It happened recently with the 1BC party. We talked about how we should ban 1.00
00:11:14.320 medical transitioning for children in the province of British Columbia. And you'll get someone coming
00:11:19.760 out of the woodwork and saying, ah, this is something Trump talks about. Okay. Is it not
00:11:24.720 happening? Should we not stop it? Ah, it's something that Trump talks about. But what you just watched
00:11:29.440 here was distilled liquid cognitive dissonance. You're like, how could Polly have criticized him for not
00:11:37.760 being elbows up enough when he doesn't support the elbows up crap? Because he's calling on hypocrisy.
00:11:44.080 That's the point. Oh, but he would push the same policies that would make us an s-hole or whatever.
00:11:50.880 Something bad. Guys, there's something bad out there that Polly have must have done,
00:11:55.680 which means that we can criticize him anyways, despite the fact that we're obviously in the wrong.
00:12:00.480 These people never learn. They actively, they literally think they are in the right when proven
00:12:06.800 to be completely wrong. It is like the heads-eye-win-tails-you-lose thing. Yes, Carney lied.
00:12:12.800 Yes, he's not actually doing what he said. But, you know, well, why are you criticizing for not doing
00:12:17.840 the thing that you didn't like? Well, because he ran a campaign and got elected under a lie. Oh,
00:12:24.800 you can't call him up for that lie because you don't support the thing that he was doing,
00:12:28.160 so him walking it back doesn't matter. Oh my, I guess so. You got me, guys. I guess,
00:12:34.720 yes, no, nothing can be hypocritical because if you call out something hypocritical and you didn't
00:12:39.280 like the thing they were doing in the first place, that means you should be praising them.
00:12:43.440 Oh my goodness. What he was saying there didn't even make sense. I don't even know if he was saying,
00:12:47.520 like, oh, they put us in the same position we would have been on trade or on other issues or
00:12:52.000 whatever. It was like he was trying to both make the Polyev's mega argument and then he was like
00:12:56.640 trying to talk about selling out the country or that we would be in the same position as we are
00:13:01.040 today on trade. Even then, is he arguing that Carney is just a massive liar because he was only capable
00:13:07.680 of doing all the things that Polyev was also capable of doing? Is that his point? Because they said that
00:13:13.840 Polyev was going to do all these horrible things for the country, that he was not going to be able to
00:13:18.560 get a deal. And now they're saying, well, yeah, he can't get a deal, but Polyev can't either. Well,
00:13:22.720 he was the one who was pretending he was the master negotiator. Mark Carney was pretending to be a
00:13:27.200 master negotiator. You can't just say like, well, Polyev would have messed up too. Well,
00:13:31.360 one, he didn't get to be prime minister to prove if he'd mess up or not, but like suddenly the lie
00:13:36.320 doesn't matter because, oh, the other guy wouldn't have solved it anyways. We did lie to get him to
00:13:40.240 office, but the other guy wouldn't have solved it. Really guys? Okay. The good thing about politics is
00:13:47.760 even though there are a lot of delusional people voting liberal who truly like these people can
00:13:52.640 hold two opposite thoughts in their minds at the same time. There are a portion of liberals who are
00:13:57.840 clearly getting tired of Carney's failure. Probably they were conservative voters before and they
00:14:03.120 switched over or the elbows up stuff. And now that it's a lie and it's proven to be hollow,
00:14:08.080 they'll come back in politics. You don't need your entire, uh, you don't need the other party's
00:14:13.840 entire base to come and vote for you. If we can just hive off
00:14:17.760 a tenth of the liberal vote, they lose this next election. If you just get 4% of the liberal vote
00:14:25.440 to go over to the conservatives, the conservatives win with probably like 190 seats. So that's all we
00:14:31.600 are trying to do. That's all we are motoring towards. But anyways, that should be it for this
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