The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - December 09, 2025


Liberals should be in PANIC MODE ahead of vote!


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Wyatt Claypool explains why Prime Minister Mark Carney's deal with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith on the proposed Keystone XL pipeline is not good news for the Trudeau government, and why they should be worried about the Conservative motion to force a vote on the MOU.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. Like I said in my last video, Prime Minister Mark Carney and his
00:00:06.380 Liberal government should be in panic mode over the motion vote being put forward by Pierre
00:00:12.260 Polyev's Conservatives. Carney thought he was going to be able to rebrand himself from Mr.
00:00:18.880 Green Energy Subsidies to Mr. Pipeline by simply signing a Memorandum of Understanding with Alberta
00:00:26.380 Premier Danielle Smith. Now I've also previously explained why I do not blame Premier Smith for
00:00:32.800 signing this agreement with Mark Carney, even though she probably knows Mark Carney is not
00:00:37.760 serious about actually getting a pipeline built. She kind of has to go along with it or else the 1.00
00:00:42.720 Liberals and the media will say that she's the big holdup in getting a pipeline done. But now the ball 1.00
00:00:48.540 is in Carney's court because Danielle Smith is fully on board. She's even willing to make some
00:00:53.200 concessions to actually get the pipeline done. And now the federal Conservatives and Pierre Polyev
00:00:58.960 are going to force Carney and all of his Liberal MPs, of course, including the ones on the West Coast,
00:01:05.120 to vote on whether they are actually wanting to build a pipeline from Alberta to the West Coast
00:01:11.280 and suspending the tanker ban in order to be able to actually ship those oil and gas products over to
00:01:17.820 Asia. And the media is even catching on to the fact that this looks really bad for the Carney Liberals
00:01:24.760 because there are so many of his Liberal MPs who have a big green Liberal base that they rely on to
00:01:31.680 get reelected. These people have environmentalist voters that they don't want to tick off by voting
00:01:36.980 in favor of the MOU. They've been assuring people in previous interviews a couple of weeks ago,
00:01:42.440 oh, all this doesn't really matter. It still needs sign off from David Eby. It still needs sign off
00:01:48.020 from every First Nation. It still needs sign off from whoever else we can find in order to block 1.00
00:01:53.140 the project. But now the Conservatives are saying, okay, regardless of all that stuff, that's also a
00:01:58.740 problem with the MOU. It gives everyone and their cat a veto. But you guys specifically, do you want a
00:02:05.420 pipeline? Will you get rid of the tanker ban? Will you say that First Nations can't have a veto, but
00:02:11.260 maybe they just need to be consulted? And now all these people are in panic mode because they don't
00:02:16.440 know how they're going to vote because, again, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
00:02:20.780 Voting in favor of this doesn't even exactly mean a pipeline is going to get built. And voting
00:02:25.240 against it is going to tick off all the business Liberals, and voting for it is going to tick off
00:02:30.180 all the environmentalist Liberals. But check out this panel from the Power in Politics CBC show.
00:02:36.260 Good to see you all. Kate, I want to start with you. We saw what Corey Hogan said there.
00:02:40.220 Andrew Scheer was on the show earlier saying it's unclear if the Liberals actually support a pipeline.
00:02:44.240 I mean, they lost Stephen Gilbeau. They signed a deal with Daniel Smith. Seems clear to me.
00:02:49.080 What do you think the implications are of this vote tomorrow?
00:02:51.640 Yeah, well, it is hard for the Liberals to message voting on wording that is lifted straight from the
00:02:59.260 MOU on the pipeline and an endorsement, yay or nay, on that. It's difficult to message that
00:03:04.480 as a political game. I think what the Conservatives are doing is, you know, exposing a pretty 1.00
00:03:09.560 uncomfortable reality for the Liberals that not everybody is sure about whether or not
00:03:15.520 the government is approaching this in the best way. And, you know, obviously, you spoke about
00:03:18.840 the departure of Stephen Gilbeau. We saw a letter on Friday from the Liberal MP for Honoré Mercier
00:03:25.340 saying that he would have to do some more thorough consultation with his constituents to determine...
00:03:29.900 He's the chair of the Environmental Caucus. Eric Sanpia.
00:03:31.360 Yeah. The funny thing is, before she said that, David Cochran, who is the host of Power
00:03:36.440 and Politics, says, well, you know, it seems pretty clear to me the Liberals are in favor
00:03:39.900 of the MOU. Hey, they signed the dang thing with Premier Smith. It's like, yes, there's
00:03:45.000 a difference between signing something and actually saying that you are in favor of a specific
00:03:49.940 outcome. The MOU, yeah, there is text basically saying that we should build a pipeline from Alberta
00:03:57.120 to the West Coast. But there's also a lot of hedging language in there. It also ends up giving
00:04:02.260 a veto to the province of British Columbia and to the First Nations. And so it effectively is Carney
00:04:09.060 saying yes, while all these other groups say no, and him using that excuse not to get it built.
00:04:13.280 So what all the conservatives are doing is saying, OK, this is I'm kind of repeating myself a little
00:04:18.400 bit, but I think you'll see why I'm doing it here. He's saying, OK, regardless of all that,
00:04:23.260 in a perfect world, would you guys want to force through a pipeline and make sure the tanker ban
00:04:28.540 is lifted? And if they can't vote for that, they are they have no credibility because they've
00:04:33.900 already ticked off the green base by signing the MOU in the first place. And if they can't vote for
00:04:38.220 this, they're going to tick off all the business liberals who are going to potentially go back and
00:04:42.220 start voting for the conservatives because they'll actually get the pipeline done. Again, Carney wanted
00:04:46.860 to be Mr. Pipeline, but he wanted all the benefits without any of the negatives that comes along with
00:04:51.820 it was ticking off his left progressive flank. That's right. So you see a lot of tension starting
00:04:57.700 to brew, I think, in terms of how the government is going to come across this. And again, it's not
00:05:03.020 to suggest that the path through consultation is not important. It's not to suggest that none of that
00:05:08.340 shouldn't occur. It's simply just putting the question to caucus about whether or not they support
00:05:14.080 something like this proceeding. And so I do think that it will be challenging for the liberals to
00:05:18.680 have anything but a united front. Because again, the MOU is predicated on a lot of that consultation
00:05:24.360 that is required with First Nations and work with the province of BC in order to actually expedite
00:05:28.800 development. But on that point, if you vote yes for it now, before there's a proponent, before there's
00:05:33.280 a route, before there's consultation, because I don't know if there's ever going to be sign-off if it's
00:05:37.240 the northern route. I mean, does Corey Hogan have a point there that it could be a signal you're sending
00:05:42.880 to the First Nations that what they have to say doesn't matter in advance? Well, again, you have
00:05:47.860 David Cochran doing some defense for the liberals here. He's already arguing, oh, this motion vote's
00:05:52.720 kind of silly because we don't even have a proponent yet. So all this doesn't matter. I'm like, so you're
00:05:56.840 just agreeing the MOU means nothing. Carney was signing a meaningless document because there is no
00:06:02.680 proponent for the pipeline, not because they don't want a pipeline, but because the current
00:06:06.720 regulations in place make it impossible to actually build a pipeline efficiently that would actually be
00:06:13.140 able to turn a profit. It's not difficult to turn a profit with a pipeline. They're built all over the
00:06:17.700 world. It's just hard to do one in Canada because they're just so, the government is so anti-oil and gas
00:06:23.580 federally and in British Columbia that you're going to be spending multiple billions more dollars
00:06:29.660 building this thing than you would if it was in Texas or if it was in Brazil or if it was in Qatar or
00:06:34.820 Saudi Arabia. Obviously, there is like David Cochran coming out and saying, well, it's kind
00:06:41.080 of silly. We're voting on something when there's no proponent. Goodness, just show us your Liberal
00:06:45.200 Party card, dude. Goodness. No, I would say no, because again, the MOU and projects proceeding
00:06:52.100 is predicated on what's happening exactly as you say. And so really, it is an endorsement of what
00:06:57.800 the Prime Minister would like to see as, from what I can tell, effectively government policy
00:07:01.780 on the advancement of energy infrastructure projects. And it should not be a difficult
00:07:06.820 question for Liberal Caucus to answer. I would absolutely agree with that. This one should be an
00:07:11.500 easy one. If you're in favor of a pipeline, you should be able to vote for it. And even if they
00:07:15.920 end up all rounding, they round all the people up and they vote for it, the problem is, is that
00:07:22.500 they've already basically signaled this was a difficult thing for them to maneuver. This shouldn't
00:07:26.620 be difficult at all. The fact that we are hearing drama behind the scenes, the fact that
00:07:30.420 Stephen Gilboa already left over this, is demonstrating that the Liberals probably don't
00:07:34.700 really want a pipeline getting done. They want the benefits without having to build it.
00:07:38.460 But here is another interview from CBC.
00:07:41.920 What do you think the conversations behind the scenes in the Prime Minister's office
00:07:45.820 are like today in anticipation of tomorrow's motion?
00:07:50.640 It's unclear, obviously, because we don't know what those are like. But, you know, are they
00:07:54.300 going to be forcing a vote saying, you know, we really need all of the caucus to support
00:07:59.040 this memorandum of agreement simply because it demonstrates that you support me, the Prime
00:08:05.640 Minister, in my way of having bold vision, building new things. If there's crack in that
00:08:11.360 coalition and they expose that, then I think that that becomes a narrative. So I think there
00:08:15.460 will be quite a lot of pressure on Liberal MPs to support this, especially since the Conservatives
00:08:20.820 didn't introduce anything new. They use the exact same language that's in the memorandum of agreement,
00:08:26.280 including the statement about negotiating with First Nations. All they they got rid of was that
00:08:31.740 the federal government said that they had to they had to do that for they had to do that,
00:08:36.560 that negotiations with First Nations as one of the conditions for putting forward the pipeline. But
00:08:41.840 it's already in there. Just the condition part isn't.
00:08:44.800 It's a little bit different because Carney's words make it sound more like you need consent. And,
00:08:49.820 you know, like basically giving someone like Grand Chief Stuart Philip a veto. That's a little bit
00:08:55.360 different than just saying consultations. I think the consultations are really silly. Because when
00:08:59.780 you're talking to First Nations band councils, you're not talking First Nations people, you're
00:09:03.680 talking to a very left wing, activist controlled board, it would be like having you need so you need
00:09:10.140 to do something that kind of is in the vicinity of Victoria. And we need to ask the Victoria City
00:09:15.180 Council, what we can do is like, well, it's Victoria City Council, the federal government can do
00:09:19.920 whatever they want. Obviously, you're going to get a left wing opinion from the Victoria City Council.
00:09:23.800 This isn't exactly what the average person of Victoria thinks, even though it's a far more
00:09:28.640 of a left wing city than others, you're going to get the most left wing opinion from that City
00:09:35.060 Council in a part of that motion. So it's gonna be difficult for the Liberals to quibble with that
00:09:40.000 and say, oh, we're not voting for it because you didn't completely mirror our language.
00:09:45.240 If tomorrow's motion does expose potential divisions here within the Liberal Caucus, how do you think
00:09:50.560 Pierre Polyev and the Conservatives, how do you think they should try to use that to their advantage?
00:09:55.960 Well, I think they're just going to keep on chipping away at it because ultimately, you know,
00:09:59.900 the more they expose the Liberals disenchanted with each other, the more difficult it is for them to
00:10:06.680 want to go forward with another election. Their coalition sort of falls apart. And we've seen that
00:10:12.100 in other governments. You know, all governments are essentially coalition governments. And I think
00:10:18.180 the most famous one was Brian Mulroney, where he had, you know, Western alienation type people in his
00:10:24.900 caucus. He had a very large Quebec caucus. And when the tensions with Meech Lake became so great,
00:10:30.440 we had the formation of the Bloc Québécois. You had the formation of the Reform Party. And that
00:10:35.340 really exploded the Conservative consensus, the Conservative coalition. And in theory, the same
00:10:40.960 thing could happen with Mark Carney, because he doesn't have nearly as strong a majority as
00:10:46.180 Brian Mulroney did. But clearly, he doesn't have the same sort of grip on the nation. He's still a
00:10:52.660 relative political newcomer. I'm going to cut off there because it is a good point to make, too.
00:10:58.100 We already know there's about five or six Liberal MPs who are likely to be resigning
00:11:02.560 from caucus. These are people who don't really want to stick around anyways. They could even just
00:11:07.900 on their way out signal they don't want this. Nate Erskine-Smith is a big green Liberal. And he
00:11:13.120 already doesn't like Mark Carney and is likely planning on leaving caucus this winter to go and
00:11:19.420 run for the Ontario Liberal Party leadership. We already see Stephen Gilbeau on his way out.
00:11:24.180 Chrystia Freeland's going to be on her way out. There's rumors about Melanie Jolie and some other 0.97
00:11:28.380 people. Jonathan Wilkinson. Jonathan Wilkinson's on the West Coast, I believe. Someone can
00:11:32.460 correct me if I'm wrong. Regardless, he is still more of a green Liberal and not like a full 0.68
00:11:37.840 environmentalist like Stephen Gilbeau, but he was obviously a right-hand man to Justin Trudeau.
00:11:43.120 And Justin Trudeau was super anti-pipeline. This guy on his way out, as a part of his legacy,
00:11:47.320 could say, no, I didn't want a West Coast pipeline and then leave. That's the situation
00:11:51.900 that Carney's in. So for all the talk a few weeks ago about how Polyev's in a bad position,
00:11:57.940 because look, Chris Dontremont left, a guy who pretty much just left for petty personal reasons.
00:12:03.940 Well, Carney has an ideological rift opening up, and this is a rift that the NDP will exploit. A party
00:12:10.060 that only got one-third of the vote in 2025 that they did back in 2021 will absolutely try and win
00:12:16.520 all these progressives by voting against the motion and showing that we're the party for all the
00:12:22.460 environmental people. And yeah, is that a minority position in Canadian politics? Sure, but it's
00:12:28.100 bigger than six percent, so they're going to be able to gain stuff from the left flank of the Liberal
00:12:31.960 Party, because a lot of Liberals thought that this was going to be like the new, I don't know, that
00:12:37.900 Carney was going to respect the hyper-environmentalist positions of Justin Trudeau. And so yeah, he's kind of
00:12:44.600 a little bit stuck between a rock and a hard place. And what is Mark Carney messaging on right now
00:12:50.660 on social media? Well, this is from four hours ago. We're partnering with Ottawa to streamline the
00:12:55.760 construction of thousands of new affordable homes across the city. Okay, keep going down. French, French. 1.00
00:13:03.120 Canadian identity at home and abroad is rooted in the French language. Hosting the Somat de la
00:13:08.780 Francophonie is an opportunity to elevate our leadership and partnership with Francophone
00:13:12.980 countries around the world. Okay, like nine hours ago today with Mark Sutcliffe in Ottawa, we announced
00:13:19.780 bold new initiatives to work with the city of Ottawa to build blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you keep
00:13:24.260 going down. Our core mission is to build a building as a positive endeavor. It's not about what we are
00:13:30.320 against, but what we are for. We want to build together in partnership with Indigenous people.
00:13:35.140 So he was just at this Indigenous forum talking to all the very left-wing Indigenous leaders. Again,
00:13:40.940 the average Indigenous person is in favor of pipelines. You can see the polling. All these
00:13:45.480 organizations are effectively left-wing front groups, just like the teachers' unions and a lot
00:13:51.360 of nurses' unions are pretty much left-wing front groups based on who's leading them. 0.98
00:13:56.440 Carney, based on posting that video, talking about how, you know, we need to come together
00:14:02.400 in a forum with Indigenous leaders who don't want the pipeline. Well, that's a bit weird considering
00:14:08.960 that you currently have the gauntlet thrown down in front of you by pure poly of the Conservatives
00:14:14.160 that you should be voting, like, to vote in favor of your own MOU. Now, maybe he still does it,
00:14:20.160 but he's really trying to split the baby down the middle here. Now, I just want to look up the MOU
00:14:24.540 from Pierre Polyev again and look up some other things from him, but it's very simple what they
00:14:29.880 are getting the Liberals to vote on. I have it right here. I think he literally has it as his pinned tweet.
00:14:34.260 This is the opposition motion. A. Take note of the Memorandum of Understanding between Canada and
00:14:42.120 Alberta of November 27, 2025, and B. Supports the construction of one or more pipelines,
00:14:49.880 enabling the export of at least one million barrels a day of low-emission Alberta bitumen
00:14:54.640 from a strategic deep water port on the British Columbia coast to reach Asian markets, including
00:14:59.860 through an appropriate adjustment to the Oil Tanker Memorandum Act, while respecting the duty to
00:15:05.460 consult Indigenous peoples. This should be very easy for them to vote for, but remember, there are
00:15:11.700 Liberal MPs in places like Victoria who are probably not going to be able to vote for this, because it's
00:15:17.060 just become an extremely left-wing party. Like, literally, they are taunting the Liberals really
00:15:24.120 hardcore on this one for a reason, because they know the Liberals do not actually have a unified
00:15:29.480 caucus. And you even have Pauliev here mocking Don Davies, who was saying he was against
00:15:34.040 the motion vote. And Pauliev says, NDP voting tomorrow to block a new pipeline to this Pacific
00:15:40.260 and keep the costly Liberal Oil Tanker ban in place. In fairness, at least we know where the NDP
00:15:45.540 stands. Meanwhile, Mark Carney is hiding under a rock, refusing to tell us his position.
00:15:50.560 Know how Carney could immediately take all the gravitas out of Pauliev's position right now?
00:15:55.960 He could just say, of course we're voting in favor of it tomorrow. What is this? This is
00:15:59.360 an easy thing for us. We were the ones who put forward the MOU. We will be voting in favor of
00:16:03.780 a motion supporting our own MOU. He can't do it, because he actually doesn't know where his people
00:16:08.960 are at on it yet. But anyways, well, that's just the position that you end up finding yourself in
00:16:14.340 as a Liberal with no particularly consistent views these days under Mark Carney. Everything is going to
00:16:21.140 be a struggle every single time, because nobody knows what the Liberals think on anything, because at
00:16:26.000 this point it's more of a consulting firm than an actual political party with coherent beliefs.
00:16:30.420 Now, they're left-wing, but you don't know in what way they're left-wing every single day. Are they
00:16:35.280 at least willing to say, hey, we're like pro-worker, pro-pipeline Liberals, or are we
00:16:41.420 environmentalist Liberals? And Carney's trying to have it both ways, and that's just not going to work.
00:16:46.420 At least Trudeau was always the anti-pipeline environmentalist Liberal. Carney's not going to
00:16:51.120 convince the business Liberals that he's cool by signing this MOU and then never actually getting the
00:16:55.320 pipeline done. And there are going to be key measures in the next few months where people
00:16:59.900 are going to be like, well, what company are you working with? Well, what have you done to actually
00:17:03.300 get David Eby to sign on to it? Well, what have you done to get the First Nations to say yes?
00:17:07.880 And if that's not happening, you're going to get a lot of people down on Bay Street wondering why the
00:17:12.820 heck they donated to this guy. Anyways, well, with all that being said, thank you all for watching.
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