00:00:00.960Welcome, everyone, to this episode of TNT Live, where we will do the last podcast to ever exist.
00:00:07.540No, we will be talking about censorship a lot. We'll get into more Canadian news, and then we have the foreign and international news, Canada, India.
00:00:15.980But first, we have to talk about the fact that the Internet is under threat from Bill C-11 and Bill C-18 and the censorious impulse of the Liberal government.
00:00:26.800So we're going to be talking a lot about the history of it, the pathway down, and then what the new law or change the law or implementation of the law is.
00:00:38.320And essentially what is going down now is they want the CRTC to regulate podcast holders.
00:00:44.380And this will affect more than just podcasts. It will affect everything on the sites there.
00:00:49.060So why don't you give an opening salvo and then I'll scream and rant incoherently afterwards.
00:00:54.060Yeah. And so I cut one thing off of the past.
00:00:57.960The idea that both the Liberal government and the media has been putting out that it's just regulating podcasts that have $10 million or more,
00:01:05.640podcast networks of $10 million or more or whatever.
00:02:31.740That means he has an, the answer is clear.
00:02:34.600He has an authoritarian impulse, but the system is not an autocracy.
00:02:39.160It's like you can't call anyone a socialist or a communist because we don't live in a socialist or communist society yet.
00:02:45.440Not until Mao ascends to the top of the red square and starts delivering a speech about how everyone has to, like, we're going to be changing the street, like the go lights to red instead of green.
00:02:55.860That's when you can start calling them a communist until your farm is collectivized.
00:03:52.800But who makes more than $10 million a year?
00:03:55.580YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, Apple, all the things, SoundCloud, all the things you host these podcasts on, all of them will be regulated by the government.
00:04:05.980So my YouTube channel won't be worth $10 million, but YouTube itself will.
00:04:11.160And then the regulations for what can go onto Canada will be put onto YouTube, Spotify, SoundCloud, and the rest.
00:04:17.540It will then force those companies to take those regulations and enforce them themselves upon creators if they want to comply with the Canadian government, which means when you get censored by YouTube or Spotify or whatever, you won't be able to make a charter claim saying they're infringing on my right to free speech because then it's a private company doing it to you.
00:04:38.160So that's the extra gaslighting here is the government has then put regulations on the hosting sites, which they then have to transfer to the content creators.
00:04:47.220So that's how the censorship gets down to us.
00:04:49.940And then it gets to you, the people watching us, because they're curating what you can and cannot see.
00:04:56.300And it's not one of those current systems where you can say, well, you can just opt out and do your own thing.
00:05:02.900Because I could see one day True North and Rebel News having more than $10 million in revenue every year.
00:05:08.600And then they can't just make their own and opt out of all the CRTC censorship because $10 million isn't that much.
00:05:16.000Pretty much every single news outlet in the U.S. that's not just some random guy's blog in a singular state is worth more than $10 million.
00:05:25.300Indie media in Canada is still pretty new.
00:05:27.420But as soon as it gets any amount of power, now the CRTC gets to say what you have to say and do and what you have to talk about and all this other sort of crap.
00:05:35.180That you have to literally curate your own independent platform based on what the CRTC wants.
00:05:40.820Like, oh, you talked a little too much about American politics this week.
00:05:43.880You need to play the safety dance again if you want to be able to keep talking about what Joe Biden's doing.
00:06:41.920You have to have a certain amount of views for us to take you seriously.
00:06:44.520So basically, if you can get more than, you know, a million views a month, that's when they start regulating what you're saying and doing in terms of the algorithm.
00:06:52.560So we're not going to be benefited at all unless we're getting more than a million views a month.
00:06:56.720And even then, they'll probably find some excuse about how we're not really Canadian because we didn't hire a Canadian to like, I don't make a sandwiches during the podcast or something like that.
00:07:05.080Because the CRTC rules, even on live television and movies, is completely ridiculous on what counts as Canadian media.
00:07:17.720Yeah, the arbitrariness in which, like, there's been great examples of, like, projects that are, like, filmed in America, produced in America, like, mostly.
00:07:25.400And, like, one Canadian, but it counts as Canadian content in some weird way, and then things filmed in Canada by Canadian, like, directors or not.
00:07:55.680When, during COVID, they're kicking people off for misinformation, and they can't actually tell you what misinformation is.
00:08:00.740But as soon as you use the word vaccine or COVID-19, they basically have an end to say, well, you're not a doctor, so you're not allowed to talk.
00:08:07.320But they'll allow people who are basically mouthpieces for the regime to be able to talk however they want about the issue.
00:08:13.020And there's other, like, there's hate speech laws tied into this, like, Bill C-36.
00:08:16.400Like, there's a whole intricate web of different bills sort of tied together that they can use.
00:08:20.800And the way they cover the bills, especially in the media, and we'll get into why the media does this in a second, is they can parse them out one by one.
00:08:31.020And you have to kind of look like the crazy person, like the Charlie's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, I mean, connecting C-18 to C-36 to the private companies here, here, and here.
00:08:37.640You know, what I will say on this is just look at the results of Bill C-18, the bill that was supposed to get us so much money as news people, supposed to, you know, make the big tech companies pay our fair share.
00:10:12.260And here's been kind of a slow march of what the liberals have been doing.
00:10:16.480I'd say since about 2016, that's when they've been kind of pushing for more regulations or more pressure on big tech to regulate things more.
00:10:24.980It would be the same thing as a lot of congressional Democrats were doing at the time because Donald Trump winning the election.
00:10:29.940Everything became its big tech fault that bad information, not even misinformation or anything, information we do not like, information we would label bad.
00:11:02.600That's ideological fraud because only Democrats are supposed to be allowed to be good at social media.
00:11:08.420But the liberals and the Democrats had put a lot of pressure on social media to basically say, do not anti-regime type posts, anti-left wing type posts.
00:11:49.100But post-COVID, like COVID made people more new.
00:11:51.360You can remember, in the summer of 2020, it was actually still pretty good.
00:11:54.360So if you could get onto certain groups like the Wexit group on Facebook, you could share an article.
00:11:58.580You could get 10,000 views on an article because it was really easy to connect with people who are looking for content like yours.
00:12:04.620At midway through 2020, it was impossible to reach anybody.
00:12:08.860We would see our viewership go per month, legitimately would go from 250,000 views of articles per month down to like 20,000 or like 30,000 because people weren't allowed to discover you.
00:12:21.040And that was before the government got involved.
00:12:22.820It's gotten a little bit better here and there because I think big tech got caught a few lawsuits where they were like blatantly shown to be favoring one type of like one person over another in the exact same situation.
00:12:34.400But now the liberals, first, they try to restrict it so that if you're getting into the space, you need a lot of money to be able to promote yourself, buy ads and be able to grow a base of people to market to.
00:12:43.760Now they're basically trying to make it that even if you have 10 million dollars, they can stop you from growing because they can just say this person has 10 million dollars.
00:12:52.120Well, you better show the safety dance of the log ride or just waltz or something like 15 times every single stream because everything must be more Canadian in the liberals definition of the term.
00:13:03.340So you won't be found on YouTube unless people type in the exact name of your show on YouTube, filter for channels and scroll down for like 10 miles.
00:13:14.840I mean, I remember back when I started getting political, like late 15, 20, late 2016, early 2016, very easy to grow a Facebook page and do this.
00:13:21.940Like these big tech companies wanted people on their sites to grow and pass messages.
00:13:27.140And like Facebook was like, let's make money and let's let's make this a place where people can create content and put out stuff and grow and then like make Facebook a thing people want to be on.
00:13:36.760And then like the left got a hold of him and said, you caused Donald Trump because he paid for advertising like Obama did.
00:13:43.920And Facebook's like, OK, we want to destroy we will destroy we will destroy Facebook for you.
00:14:29.320They had entire teams of lawyers and lobbyists push incredibly hard to get these bill passed because they benefit them.
00:14:36.140Because with a hundred lawyers, you can circumnavigate all.
00:14:41.120Well, it's sort of like when you increase the minimum wage, Walmart doesn't get hurt, but small businesses do.
00:14:45.500The thought is, I think, from the big tech companies, as are the big telecom companies who own, you know, the media companies that that we complain about is, well, if they hurt everyone on the Internet, well, it destroys.
00:14:57.740It hurts the National Telegraph, Canada Land, Western Standard, Q North, Rebel News.
00:15:03.180So when they are dead and we can step over the corpses of alternative media and regain our monopoly, then we will proffer and prosper.
00:15:10.960So don't expect any help from the mainstream media here.
00:15:14.160That's exactly why Jagmeet Singh is completely ridiculous on the idea of, like, you know, big box grocery stores not paying their fair share.
00:15:22.840They're not being good enough to workers.
00:15:23.980It's literally the big box grocery stores like Loblaws who lobby for higher minimum wages because they can handle the price shocks on labor, but other smaller businesses can't.
00:15:33.380And that's exactly what they're doing.
00:15:34.820Because, again, a lot, it's effectively media is just a subsidy industry.
00:15:38.900The CBC does not actually care about the $300 million they generate in ad revenue every year.
00:15:44.820It's not really, that's not their main business.
00:15:46.500Because obviously they're going to be able to generate some ad revenue when they have $1.2 billion of taxpayer money propping them up every single year.
00:15:54.360But the thing is that they care way more about the subsidy money than they care about the potential ad revenue money.
00:15:59.820So if everyone's reach gets cut by 40%, although they're also relying on the fact that government's probably going to knock them up in the algorithms through all these changes,
00:16:07.900even if it was hurting everybody, they still benefit from the fact that things like Bill C-18 literally came with $300 million extra for big tech,
00:16:16.860or not big tech, but the big media platforms in that bill.
00:16:20.380They just got a $300 million pay, like, just, like, injection of money.
00:16:27.340But anyways, I want to move on to, because there's a super chat, and I think it's actually a really good question for us to answer, from Pat Juress.
00:16:33.540And it's, comment for the progressive algorithm.
00:16:35.400We are always happy that you were commenting to boost us in the progressive algorithm.
00:16:39.260And they say, what do we get when accessing content blocked by C-11?
00:16:43.800Blocked in Canada, like, quote, unquote, redirected to climate change propaganda, knock at the door at 3 a.m. for hate speech.
00:16:50.920And what I think it is, is just that when you're searching up Canadian content, even if you click on one of our videos directly because you're subscribed,
00:16:58.780and I think what's going to happen is on the right side of the YouTube page where you usually have recommended videos,
00:17:05.600you're not going to get recommended another video from us.
00:17:08.000You're not going to get another one from Clyde Do Something, The Pleb, True North, Rebel News, any independent creators, Viva Fry.
00:17:15.280You're just going to start seeing CBC, Global News, and any other sort of big telecommunications.
00:17:21.420The people who have lawyers to lobby around, they'll be, listen, if you do a $1 billion super chat right now, I'm not saying that, right?
00:17:30.200And then we have a billion dollars, let's say.
00:17:33.440No, but, like, if we had a billion dollars, then I would hire, you know, a team of 20 lawyers, put them on retainer, right, and then have them circumnavigate this.
00:17:44.260I would have them send letters to the government.
00:17:46.720I would, you know, counter sue and whatever and send a message to them that, like, hey, the National Telegraph has some weight.
00:17:52.000We have lawyers in there, you know, throw some letters to the CRTC, have people, you know, and this is what Bell and Roger do.
00:18:00.080They spend a lot of money to keep their legal teams engaged with the regulators to give them favorable treatment.
00:18:05.620And if I had a billion dollars, I would do that, too, just so I could keep talking about the stuff I want to on the Internet.
00:18:11.360But, you know, smaller companies will never have the reason.
00:18:14.420Like, I'm okay with the fact that I probably, most likely, 99.999% chance, will never have the ability to hire an entire team of lawyers on retainer to just liaise with governments and do whatever I want.
00:18:28.380Like, that's like millions and millions and, like, tens of millions of dollars a year just to do that.
00:18:33.820But it's worth it for Bell and Rogers, who can use the $10 million they pay in legal fees a year to lobby the government to have them be favored at the tune of billions of dollars a year.
00:18:43.920And it will always be done from, like, a seemingly pro-taxpayer's point of view.
00:18:47.840Like, well, we want there to be mountains of paperwork to actually show that you're real Canadian content because we don't want people faking their way into the algorithm and getting promoted.
00:18:58.960You know, a bunch of scary Americans potentially getting in on this whole Canadian content thing.
00:19:05.300So I do not doubt that if C11 passes, we're just going to see, like, there's 40-page documents you have to go through in order to prove you're sufficiently Canadian so that you don't get completely nuked on the algorithm.
00:19:19.300And a lot of us are either going to be incentivized to do that or we'll have to find completely alternative ways of promoting ourselves or you just have to pay more money in ads in order to get to subscribers.
00:19:30.380That's basically what it's going to be.
00:19:32.540And, again, just to go back to it, this is what drives me up a wall about the very legacy media-esque.
00:19:39.340Because not all of them are in the legacy media.
00:19:40.780Some of them, like Max Fawcett, have their own news outlets that are funded by renewable companies and whatnot.
00:19:47.140But they always make the excuse that, well, the government's not telling you that you're not going to be promoted on the algorithm.
00:20:03.340Why is it gold falling from the sky right now?
00:20:05.920It turns out in tensions in policy, what the bill says is not always what it really needs.
00:20:12.440Because Facebook or Meta or I think the government maybe itself, I just saw an estimate online that they estimated how much Facebook would have to pay every single year.
00:20:21.680Because the idea was that Facebook, even though it hurts them that people are clicking on websites and leaving the platform to go to a different place to go read something or watch a video.
00:20:30.100Even though it's ideal for them to keep people on platform, they're going to pay creators and journalists every single time one of their links gets clicked on.
00:20:57.800They're basically, Trudeau just came and just pounded the desk over at Meta and they said,
00:21:03.360You guys are going to have to pay $50 million for the privilege of journalists voluntarily using your platform in order to promote their content.
00:21:11.840I'm completely fine with the way that Facebook operates.
00:21:15.520The way that they, other than some of them being pressured by left-wing politicians to restrict people like us.
00:21:21.260But the normal operating procedure of Facebook is entirely fair.
00:23:10.420If anyone remembers, maybe we'll film an episode of it for old time's sake, but Daniel's joke.
00:23:14.280Okay, when Wyatt and I, when Wyatt and I, when Wyatt comes in and stays with me before the protest, we will do a Wyatt Claypool, Daniel Boardman, worst of the CBC, live or something.
00:24:39.900Yeah, we don't get any government subsidies.
00:24:43.000I'm like, yeah, because the check doesn't come in the mail saying, here's your subsidy.
00:24:47.240It's, here's your employment, like journal, it's like, it's like employment benefits or like government subsidized wages for people who work in journalism and all of this stuff.
00:24:57.940Different sort of grants that they get through the Canadian government and Canadian content.
00:25:02.520That's how a lot of these companies get it.
00:25:04.060So even though they're not getting the 1.2 billion that CBC are getting, they're still getting hundreds of millions a year through these different subsidies and just sort of offsets of costs for themselves.
00:25:16.280And I, the character of the sort of people defending the stuff who work for the CDC, who are trying to explain how it's actually good policy.
00:25:41.060And that's effectively what the liberals are trying to turn the media space into.
00:25:44.660Unless you're just hyper-passionate like we are and you would cover news if you had to pay a fee to do it, you're, it's just going to block any of everyone else out who has the passion but can't afford to do it or really doesn't like the fact that they just aren't able to generate a partial income off of it.
00:26:00.120That's where the liberals are, the liberals are trying to turn it off.
00:26:02.760Yeah, we both have to do other things just to keep the National Telegraph afloat.
00:26:07.000And, you know, the hope is one day, you know, we can, you know, like, share, subscribe, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:26:14.880You have to, you have to know you're grinding it out for, you have to either, or you have to get like some sort of angel investor type thing or the government or like, but, you know, it's hard to remain independent.
00:26:24.880You're the angel investor, your company costs so much or you have so much revenue, the CRTC gets to start telling you what to do.
00:26:30.660And that's where the whole point is every avenue that you take starting a media company and trying to inform Canadians comes with extra paperwork, extra regulations, extra interactions with bureaucracy.
00:26:40.680And I think the other motivation of this is also to make people who are wanting to maybe get into journalism one day, they're in high school, maybe they're even taking a journalism degree at university, that they almost subconsciously start to shape their views around what is actually lucrative in Canadian media, what will get them subsidies.
00:26:59.300So are they really going to say those things that might get them, you know, blackballed from working at the CBC because they really need the money and they really need that stable CBC job if they actually want to pursue their passion in reporting on the news?
00:27:10.860Maybe it's not the type of news they want to report on because it's censored, but that's kind of just how it ended up.
00:27:16.180Yeah, I think that there's another, there's like another element to it. I think that's right. There's another, I think, scare tactic here.
00:27:22.740I think there's a lot of podcasts that kind of dabble in a lot of things.
00:27:26.440There's one podcast right now, my friend Ben Bankis was on, it's called Real Toronto News.
00:27:31.180I follow them on Instagram or whatever and see. And it's interesting because, you know, I'm not cool.
00:27:35.540And the most of what Real Toronto News does is they'll interview rappers or they'll interview like female rappers who like say ridiculously slutty things and then go viral for being ridiculous.
00:27:44.680And that's the majority of it. But also they sometimes cover the news.
00:27:48.020They sometimes actually will tweet out, this is happening, this is happening.
00:27:50.980And then they'll bring on people like Ben Bankis or other interesting people.
00:27:53.720And I think the point of the law is also to scare those people and say, all right, you want to do a podcast talking to rappers and bimbos, culture stuff?
00:28:02.780That's fine. But none of these controversial people, no public intellectuals, no journalists, no comedians, no one who's going to rock the boat.
00:28:11.980Only people to talk about rapping and dancing and this and that and money.
00:28:16.880You can talk about that. Nothing to our core. And I think that if you're successful, like and you're starting to make a business and you're like, oh, I'm making it.
00:28:24.340I think the calculations to make podcasts like that go, OK, I'm starting to make it.
00:28:29.140And if I bring on Daniel Boardman, Wyatt Claypool, someone in that ecosystem, even though I might find it interesting or even I want to bring on someone like Leflin.
00:28:38.820I want to bring on Jesse Brown from Canada Land. And then I want to bring on Daniel Boardman the next week.
00:28:42.580And that's what this bill, I think, is intended to stop is the politics people can do politics and they'll stay in their corner.
00:28:50.040But we want to make you dead certain, everyone, if you stray into the little politics thing, we're going to take you, regulate you and throw you in a corner.
00:28:59.160So that I think is also part of it is we don't want anyone to have a podcast that gets a bit too real right now.
00:29:06.560That's that's sort of what I intend. I see.
00:29:09.920It is really funny that unironically, you will get a better picture of what's going on in Toronto and Canada in general by following real Toronto news and six buzz.
00:29:29.240But yeah, that's usually sold from someone else.
00:29:31.380Andrew Schultz making fun of Justin Trudeau and Andrew Schultz making fun of Justin Trudeau and the Harveep Singh Najjar.
00:29:36.920Or a whole episode, even though he's wrong and he spells his name wrong, you get more content out of that than you get out of the CDC.
00:29:43.520I just wanted to give an assurance to someone in the comments, truth brush, that we will be talking about the Kalistani issue towards more of the end of the show.
00:29:51.700We usually do about an hour and we're about halfway through.
00:29:53.960But we definitely want to talk about Justin Trudeau and Melanie Jolie now wanting private talks with the Indian government after messing up that entire diplomatic fight.
00:30:02.300Yeah, I think that'll be a good thing. I will say on the Andrew Schultz thing, you know, I was talking to Andrew Schultz in the green room before he did the joke.
00:30:10.720I was the one who I was the one who told him he was a Kalistani.
00:30:14.100So he changed it. That's why I called him a Punjabi separatist and not a plumber.
00:30:19.900Like from meeting him, like really smart guy. It's not like I told him, like he understood the situation.
00:30:25.020Really nice guy. But like, yeah, he was it was interesting.
00:30:27.520Like he was willing to listen. And then like he just made this sort of joke on the fly and thought of it and did it on like the Wednesday night show for the Ben Bankis thing.
00:30:34.140And then he, you know, I guess did a few more shows, polished it up and then threw it on his his Scotiabank arena show.
00:30:41.680And that was that was pretty cool for me to see. It's like, oh, well, you know, and then.
00:30:45.880I just have to say, when I saw that video of Ben Bankis meeting Andrew Schultz, I couldn't stop thinking that he looks like the child of the guy from Lazy Town.
00:30:55.140His hair is hair looks. Yeah, I don't know. It looks like a helmet a little bit.
00:31:00.060All right. Very. Yeah. Do we have a transition thing?
00:31:04.040Do you want to talk about Trudeau saying more gaslighting things? He never went after parents.
00:31:08.160I just want to grab this one thing from Jordan.
00:31:11.000Would you ever be would it ever be possible to get rid of the CRTC?
00:31:15.880I don't think you can get rid of the CRTC. Just like with the CBC, I don't think pure poly is going to get rid of the CBC.
00:31:23.380I think it's going to be heavily defunded and move towards just doing northern Canada news because those places legitimately do need subsidized news because it's super low populations.
00:31:33.060And unless people are going to come together and give like, you know, $100 every year to be able to operate a radio station, it's just not going to happen.
00:31:39.020But with the CRTC, I think they just need to be redirected to being something that if it's on public airwaves and or it's on radio, yes, you cannot show a cat being thrown into a wood chip or on national TV.
00:31:54.620They have to make sure that like TV signals and radio signals, although everything's satellite these days, that you're like radio stations are not fighting over the same banner.
00:32:02.160Fair enough. There can be mild standards and practices.
00:32:06.560Really, a lot of policy in Canada just needs to come down to the idea that, you know, something that needs to be regulated when you see it or the reasonable person.
00:32:15.080If something is crazy going on, obviously, the CRTC can say something right now.
00:32:20.980They're finding excuses to say something in every situation and be able to control just the way that you say hello when you start up a podcast.
00:32:28.100It's going to be look at work. And that's not even a joke.
00:32:31.100We might be able to get to the point where you have to say hello.
00:32:37.520But anyways, transition, smooth transition is about to happen.
00:32:40.620So, Justin Trudeau, just the other day, I'm not sure if anyone remembers a couple of months ago where he said that people who were fighting for parental rights were extreme and far right and all this other stuff.
00:32:50.640And they hated children and LGBTQ people.
00:33:20.340But this is the narrative he's going along with.
00:33:23.380And, of course, the media is now just reporting what he said word for word without actually fact-checking him because that's what the media does.
00:33:31.620Whenever Trudeau says something, they just transcribe it and report what he said.
00:33:35.140But if a conservative says something, they will find something he said you wrote in your yearbook back in high school to prove that somehow you're lying.
00:33:42.660Anyways, so I guess that's where I'm going to throw it off to you, Daniel, because I've been kind of following the parental rights stuff in Calgary.
00:33:52.040But what it seems like to me is that once the Muslim groups like the Muslim Association of Canada and whatnot finally were pressured by people like Mahmoud Moura from YYC Muslims to come out and say something to defend Muslim parents, that's what's causing the liberals to panic.
00:34:06.060Yeah, like the liberals have been highly invent, you know, working hand in fist with the Muslim Association of Canada and CCM like the big ones there, Islamic Relief.
00:34:14.800And those organizations have been pretty much surrogates of the Liberal Party for a long time because the liberals have been very permissive and let them do whatever they want.
00:34:23.240And now you're seeing a disconnect between those organizations and the actual Muslim community, which I have to put pressure on them to say, you know, what are you doing with this guy?
00:34:33.340Because, you know, Trudeau has this sort of fantasy, let's say a lot of leftists have that all the browns, the Muslims, the Sikhs, the Hindus, the browns, the poor, the minorities, they all must be like me because I'm progressive.
00:34:46.240And part of progressivism is protecting all the brown people. Why are they not thinking like me? Why do they not think my thoughts? Why are they not subservient to my will?
00:34:54.980And that often leads them to lash out. It turns out most Muslims actually practice Islam. What? I mean, that's really shocking if you're in the Liberal Party.
00:35:03.980But Muslims practicing Islam. I know you're flabbergasted if you're if you're if you're if you're a a a urban intellectual professional and you make six figures a year.
00:35:16.660I know this is like the hardest thing for you to understand. But people actually believe what they claim to believe a lot of times on religious principles.
00:35:25.720So Christians will actually practice Christianity. Muslims practice Islam. Jews will be Jewish. Hindus are Hindu.
00:35:31.380I know it's it's too complicated for a lot of people to understand inside the Liberal Party, but that's actually what happens.
00:35:37.680And you're seeing a disconnect here. And once these organizations are starting to come out, instead of apologizing, he's gone to step two, which is gaslighting.
00:35:45.940And I think the problem for the Muslim Association of Canada, especially in Calgary, is that they have several mosques that are associated with them.
00:35:52.460So once the once I guess I'm not sure if it's called something else, I'm using a Christian word, I guess, but congregants at that mosque then are obviously taking part in these protests are obviously pro the parental rights movement.
00:36:05.700And they start to look at them and say, well, what are you guys doing?
00:36:08.980They then are basically get their potential status of as being sponsors to different mosques threatened because they're not actually socially conservative organizations trying to stand up for Islamic values or just like how Christian churches are also kind of getting getting whacked whenever they don't actually stand up for Christian values.
00:36:25.740That's what's threatening. I talked to several Muslim parental rights organizers in Calgary, and a lot of them did tell me, yeah, they've been having to basically wrangle organizations like the MAC because they are they are liberal organizations that are they're kind of like the ADL.
00:36:41.300That's their first action is to try and find people on the right who are somehow can be labeled Islamophobic in order to basically, you know, it doesn't really matter.
00:36:50.980But the whole point is that that has been their obsessive focus for so long that as soon as the Muslim community actually needed to speak out about liberal excess, they were completely unequipped and they didn't know what to do.
00:37:02.060So they just sat in the corner and hoped that no one would notice them. And then they actually did get noticed.
00:37:06.500But I could see that this being the major reason the liberals are down the polls right now.
00:37:12.040It's specific little issues like this parental rights issue.
00:37:15.000The media is trying to make a big deal that the PCs in Manitoba lost and that they were championing parental rights during the campaign.
00:37:22.460Guys, Stevenson was the lowest rated premier in like in the entire country.
00:37:27.920She wasn't even the original premier. She won a leadership race after the previous guy who was like who was the former mayor of of New York City.
00:38:36.040That's not a statement against the parental rights movement.
00:38:37.980Justin Trudeau is losing a crazy amount of ethnic voters.
00:38:41.020Because it turns out ethnic voters, because they haven't lived in Canada long enough to have their kids go to, you know, university for a few generations.
00:38:50.180So they actually care about their kids.
00:38:52.060And so that when the liberals started opening up against the parental rights movement, those people were the ones who knee-jerked the most.
00:38:57.760And they're a participation in these rallies.
00:38:59.860I've only noticed it grow since the liberals have been attacking them as, like, far-right pawns.
00:39:43.380And with the new hate speech, you know, push and all this and the corruption of these, of CSIS and the RCMP, we know there's some level of political infiltration in these bodies.
00:39:54.580It's not out of the realm of possibility that the Canadian security apparatuses get politicized and are used as a mechanism to crush internal dissent.
00:40:06.420And I don't think that's an unreasonable concern.
00:40:08.940Now, I don't think we're there tomorrow.
00:40:10.660So when Max Fawcett cuts this clip and edits this part out, where I say I don't think we're there tomorrow, but I think we're on a pathway that leads to more authoritarianism.
00:40:19.960And this sort of permissiveness of authoritarianism, if it's the red team or the blue team, whatever team I'm on, I think that is a really damaging thing.
00:40:29.060And you did see in America, post-2016, there were people within the intelligence agencies that decided to become heroes of the movement instead of FBI agents.
00:40:39.360And, you know, you had, I mean, I think this patch is referring to the parental rights movement in the U.S. last year, like Asser and Armani and her people being labeled domestic terrorists for going in to cover or protest the gender ideology stuff.
00:40:55.900And I think that in Canada, we've had different institutions affected at a different rate than the U.S.
00:41:01.760So I think our court system in Canada has been much more gravely affected than the court system has in the U.S., whereas I think our intelligence and our police have been less directly affected.
00:41:12.660Like, you'll find some of the best police services in the U.S. that they will just refuse to comply with state or federal laws if they're unconstitutional.
00:41:38.660But in Canada, you have it so that it's just considered natural that every single judge serving on federal courts are deeply left wing.
00:41:46.420So that they're trying to, they're trying to, like, strike down and put injunctions against Scott Moe's parental rights bill in Saskatchewan.
00:41:53.540And, like, honestly, the notwithstanding clause is stupid.
00:41:57.620At the same time, it's good that it's around for the functionality of being able to have Scott Moe just say, nah, we're just going to ignore the court and actually stand up for parental rights.
00:42:06.580Because the problem is the notwithstanding clause is bad if the court is functioning properly.
00:42:12.200The court in Canada is not functioning properly.
00:42:14.060You can't get a criminal who stabbed people to death in the past held in jail because the onus is always on the prosecution to do hundreds of hours of work to make, to, like, a combined hundreds of hours of work in their office to be able to advocate that a repeat offender is held in custody.
00:42:31.200That is, like, an almost never going to happen in Canada.
00:42:34.200Someone's held in custody who is a multi, multiple time offender.
00:42:37.840At the same time, CSIS is an organization that has to frequently leak on Justin Trudeau because he will not release the actual good work that they're doing.
00:42:46.300So it's more so that the liberal government and the sort of political apparatus is at war with CSIS trying to do their jobs.
00:42:53.520And then the court system in Canada tends to be worse than the U.S., where they actually have people who are, you know, constitutional originalists.
00:43:01.480It's a little different in Canada what that would look like.
00:43:04.200But you don't have people who are in any way you could describe as conservative judges in Canada.
00:43:11.720All right, let's move on to Canada and India, where we are just absolutely killing it.
00:43:17.820What a brilliant geopolitical war we started.
00:43:20.880Yeah, how could we possibly lose this to a country of 1.5 billion people with a burgeoning economy when we have no leverage in the international community?
00:43:28.720We literally stepped on every single rake we could think of.
00:43:31.600You know, accusing them of something, flip-flopping on how good the evidence was.
00:43:37.560Is it credible accusations, credible evidence?
00:43:40.420We invited a Nazi to Parliament and gave him a standing ovation.
00:43:44.400Literally, Najjar's own Gurdwara put on a memorial for him yesterday.
00:43:49.100Again, that literally, that admitted he was the leader of the Tiger Force.
00:43:54.480Yeah, like, listen, his own supporters, listen, the Indian government claims he's a terrorist, and the Canadian government claims that he's a religious scholar and plumber.
00:44:02.040Now, the claim that the Indian government made was he was the leader of the Kalistan Tiger Force, which is a listed terrorist organization in India.
00:44:10.900It's a militant faction of the Kalistani movement that's roots are in from the Babar Kalasa, which was the terrorist organization that blew up the Air India plane.
00:44:20.800Now, it's very important to know in Canada, no consequences from the Air India bombing happened to the terrorists.
00:44:28.620The terrorists who blew up that airplane, all of them got off scot-free.
00:44:32.360Now, the ringleader, Tahir Parmar, sorry, I keep messing up his name.
00:44:42.060So, India killed the Osama bin Laden of Canada, not even Canada.
00:44:46.380So, we've had a very permissive attitude towards Kalistani extremism forever.
00:44:51.200So, one of the offshoots of the group that blew up the Air India bombing created the Kalistan Tiger Force, which openly advocates for violence and violent separatism in India.
00:45:01.120So, India, of course, labels that a terrorist organization because they're a functioning state, and if you try and balkanize that state through means of violence, that's one of the classical examples of secessionist terrorism to them.
00:45:12.260So, that was the claim, and we were like, no, he's a plumber.
00:45:15.840He was, you know, a human rights activist.
00:45:18.580Yes, he's on video supporting suicide bombings, but that's just a human right.
00:45:21.920And India was like, okay, no, he's a terrorist.
00:45:23.880But we're seeing right now his own supporters, his own gudwara, is putting up pictures of him saying he's part of the Kalistan Tiger Force.
00:45:33.040And you see the logo with two swords, and in the center, a big lion.
00:45:38.760Yeah, yeah, Terry Molesky pointed out that the Tiger Force's official logo has a lion in the middle because they're not zoologists exactly.
00:45:50.600We don't even have to imagine what it would be like for Canada because we had the FLQ at one point.
00:45:57.480We had a violent Quebec separatist organization that blew up buildings and killed politicians.
00:46:03.120And do you think that Canada for a second would put up with another kind of...
00:46:06.200Kudo's dad declared martial law over this.
00:46:08.420Yeah, and not only that, there's extremely heavy evidence that the Canadian government, I'm not even going to say assassinated, just executed a FLQ terrorist when he moved to Paris and he fled from Algeria to Paris.
00:46:39.820At the same time, there should be consequences for carrying out extrajudicial killings on our soil.
00:46:44.800But the Liberal government's narrative that he's a Canadian citizen, he's a plumber, he's the nicest man you've ever met, was completely busted by his own supporters.
00:46:52.800Because they don't have the self-awareness to realize that all the things they're praising him for are insane.
00:46:57.560Because in Canada, we've let them get away with it so much that they just think that it's not, it's completely normal to say that he's the leader of the Tiger Force that, you know, takes credit for killing people and blowing things up.
00:47:09.120Yeah, I mean, so, I mean, even if this was a clandestine planned assassination by the Indian government, like, they're going to come out with some evidence, most likely, that this guy was actively helping coordinate violent terrorist attacks on their soil.
00:47:40.320We're going to leverage that into a trade deal, okay?
00:47:42.740Leverage it into a trade deal and say, okay, fine, you want to get rid of the Calisthenian Tiger Force?
00:47:47.660We'll do something here, but you've got to give us X, you've got to give us Y.
00:47:51.700Now, the problem is the Liberal government and the NDP are...
00:47:54.720Here's the problem, too, with even the private talks, because this is where you and I disagreed with a little bit, because I think that Melanie Jolie and Justin Trudeau now saying that they want private talks with Prime Minister Modi in India and the Indian government, it just looks weak.
00:48:07.700Because if the Indian government says, okay, we'll do private talks, they look weak by basically bending to the people, making blind accusations against them.
00:48:15.860Even then, even if this whole situation started with private talks, even though I agree it should start with private talks, when we heard the story that Justin Trudeau's government told that they...
00:48:24.720Like, mentioned the potential assassination to Modi, and then he basically didn't deny it or blew them off or whatever.
00:48:41.780I guess you're in the right for keeping a terrorist group in your country, and we're in the wrong for having killed one of them.
00:48:47.140Like, I get it, it still would be wrong, but the thing is, we look like such putzes walking into a room saying, hey, you killed one of the terrorists that we're letting stay in our country.
00:49:28.120But by looking weak and ridiculous, and coming to the table, we institute a situation where, okay, if the Indian government wants to look strong domestically, and say no, no, no, and roll over, because there's an election coming, and this has united the country behind Modi.
00:49:43.460Like, if you think this is going to hurt Modi domestically for whacking a terrorist on foreign soil, you don't understand people, right?
00:49:49.720If there's an anti-Canadian terrorist, and if Justin Trudeau took out a terrorist planning an attack on Toronto, somewhere like in Somalia, good for him, right?
00:50:08.000This guy slams you publicly, makes accusations publicly, you know, breaks rules of international convention, does it all in public, what should be in back channels.
00:50:16.060And then, when he gets whacked and he's losing, he comes and asks for private talks.
00:50:27.000But what it does is we come in a position of weakness.
00:50:30.800So, if the Indian government wants to remain domestically strong and say, ha-ha, screw you, Canada, well, then they look bad to the international community.
00:50:37.540And you might say, well, it doesn't matter to the international community.
00:50:40.060You say, we're India, we're strong enough.
00:50:41.540And you go, yeah, but it kind of still does because you have to be a member of the international community.
00:50:46.660And I don't just mean, you know, the whites and the Europeans.
00:50:50.340I mean South America, Africa, Asia as well.
00:50:52.920Like, you have to be seen as a reasonable actor.
00:51:28.020This is like the tit-for-tat thing on international politics, right?
00:51:30.560Like, Trudeau attacks you, you attack him back.
00:51:33.060He attacks you, you attack him back, right?
00:51:35.020And here's maybe where I'll explain where I disagree.
00:51:38.220I have to say, taking a step back and not rewarding that with another step back, it makes you, again, look unreasonable.
00:51:44.700Because you have to be able, when you deal with other countries, have them – you don't want the next country you deal with to be like, oh, no, India's after us.
00:52:00.760But it's like, always leave the enemy a golden bridge over which to retreat.
00:52:04.320Because when – if countries you get a tiff with, you know, next year, if they go, okay, India's going to go full out no matter what we do.
00:52:13.740We have to, like, stand our ground to the fullest to do it, right?
00:52:18.300You want – if you want to leverage the next person into a peaceful surrender, let's say, you have to – they have to know that, okay, if I take a step back, India will reward that.
00:52:29.340Because what India should want, and any country should want, is when you deal with a geopolitical enemy or an ally who's gone crazy, you want them to know that if you step back, you can retreat and the fight will be over, right?
00:52:43.180And if you don't have that set, the next fight you get into is going to be harder than this.
00:52:47.540Because you're not always going to go up against Justin Trudeau.
00:52:49.820Do I think Neander Moti can outbox Justin Trudeau, blindfolded, half-drunk?
00:52:58.420Here's the minor reason why I think that this was still just stupid on behalf of Justin Trudeau.
00:53:03.640It's good that we're trying to go towards private talks.
00:53:05.720And I think from the engineers' perspective, you're right that they should offer the kind of – they should reward the overture from the Canadian government.
00:53:13.220I think they still need to pants Justin Trudeau here and then mock them.
00:53:16.160Like, oh, now they want private talks after basically calling us a bunch of, like, covert assassins and whatnot.
00:53:21.560But I think that from Justin Trudeau and Melanie Jolie's perspective, what they should have done is made even just – like, not even the olive branch, just the olive leaf overture that there are mutual security issues that India and Canada need to talk about.
00:53:37.780And we want to take this privately so that we can be able to discuss this in great detail and be able to solve both of our mutual issues.
00:53:47.880It's not even something less than that, just an acknowledgment that we're taking a step back and we're going to acknowledge that India has a lot of points to make here.
00:53:55.360The thing is that Justin Trudeau and Melanie Jolie almost did it in such a way where the Indian government was incentivized to expose they want the private talks because it looks like they're trying to climb down from those accusations.
00:54:06.580At the same time, they're still kind of belittling India with this idea that, okay, after we slandered you, can we please go behind the scenes and have adult talk now?
00:54:15.320It's like that's where India is going to try and –
00:54:17.540Yeah, listen, I understand the gaslighting.
00:54:20.640But also in this game, I'm just making the 500-foot view, bird's-eye viewpoint, that the next move will be viewed by a lot of people without the context of the previous moves in public a lot.
00:54:33.000In India, though, for the Indian government, people will have a longer-term memory for what happened.
00:54:38.140And so they do have to play to the base that wants to see Justin Trudeau get whacked a little bit here.
00:54:43.120Yeah, and listen, I think the Indian government could find a clever way to do this, right?
00:54:48.100You can agree to talks so you look reasonable.
00:54:50.740What I would do is I'd agree to talks and I would say, listen, we're going to fly a plane out there for Justin Trudeau himself.
00:54:56.300The implication is, hey, remember the last time you heard your plane broke down?
00:55:41.700Slam them again and say, we will have the private talks as long as the prime minister agrees that we will – that there will be significant conversation about the Calistani issue in Canada.
00:55:53.000Like, get Justin Trudeau to say Calistani extremism out loud and then agree to talks.
00:55:58.940And if you say, listen, if he can't even acknowledge that there's an issue of Calistani extremism, then there's no need to talk.
00:56:05.680So then it's back in Justin Trudeau's court where Justin Trudeau will have to say – like, either will have to say, okay, I'm going to acquiesce to this incredibly simple, reasonable demand and acknowledge Calistani extremism or I look ridiculous.
00:56:18.680And the play there is, right, if Justin Trudeau wants to seem like the reasonable into the international community, he has to accept – you've now reversed the situation.
00:56:28.100And domestically, the big momentum behind Justin Trudeau domestically is the fact that the mainstream media has not shown any of the Calistani extremism, the threats and violence against Hindus, suicide bombings, and the like.
00:56:38.940So we're ignoring the Calistan part as hard as we can.
00:56:42.020If you make Justin Trudeau say Calistani extremism out loud, that will then penetrate the Canadian media and undermine our domestic propaganda network.
00:56:49.900So, like, there are ways to win here and counter play.
00:56:52.500I simply was just making the point that for the first time since 2015, Canada did something –
00:56:57.620I do believe we agree, like, 98% on how everything's being done, like, micro little things about how –
00:57:06.040I want to do a question from Truthbrush, because I think he had an interesting one for you.
00:57:09.600He said, is there going to be – is this going to end the NDP party, in your opinion, this whole scandal?
00:57:16.540It will hurt them, but it can never end them.
00:57:18.340Remember, the NDP is a third party, so they never – they're silly socialists.
00:57:21.540So as long as there's a supply of silly socialist teenagers and silly socialist adults and people –
00:57:27.660Like, listen, if you support the NDP, you don't understand math and reason anyway, so you're thinking, like,
00:57:32.720would a reasonable person see all these unreasonable things happening and then stop supporting the NDP?
00:57:37.560Maybe some would, but again, the NDPs – they're the socialist party.
00:57:42.020So there's always going to be a lunatic socialist party, and it kind of balances out because we're first past the post system.
00:57:47.340It bleeds off the liberals and actually gives us a better thing.
00:57:50.440I actually do think he deeply hurt himself with this, because Jagmeet Singh trying to one-up Justin Trudeau
00:57:56.720on his, like, kind of, like, you know, headhunting of the Indian government,
00:58:01.040I think he made – he almost re-resurrected all the old clips of him denying that Talwinder Parmar blew up the Air India flight
00:58:08.820and was the mastermind, and that he's obviously very, like, soft on, if not very friendly to the Calistani movement.
00:58:14.960I think he freaked out a lot of the kind of labor-based and more moderate non-Sikh voters in the party.
00:58:21.920Again, the vast majority of Sikhs are not Calisthenes, but Sikhs are also kind of used to bumping into Calisthenes every once in a while,
00:58:27.380where it probably doesn't bother them as much these days just because they're like, oh, it's another one of those people.
00:58:31.440It's like if I bump into some crazy charismatic or whatever who's, like, rolling on the floor and pretending they can speak in tongues or something like that.
00:58:38.360So, like, it doesn't freak me out too much. But I think the reason that he hurt himself was that Justin Trudeau
00:58:43.820already proved that he is soft on Calisthenes, so he's probably going to be getting a lot more Calisthenes to donate
00:58:50.800and help the liberals because they're the best bet for the Calisthenes to keep their power in government.
00:58:55.440There's a lot of Calisthenes in Justin Trudeau's caucus and even cabinet, so they're the best bet for the Calisthenes.
00:59:01.500But then Singh just looks like the also-ran, who then went too far and probably freaked out the moderates
00:59:06.740who didn't know what Calisthenes was in the first place.
00:59:09.600Yeah, and I think there might be a silver line here.
00:59:12.740It might be that if the Calisthenes go so hard in the liberals and the NDP because they're, like, such ideologue,
00:59:19.020it could put a bulwark between them and the Conservative Party, which would be good.
00:59:23.220Because we know that, you know, they've tried to get into all the parties, right, that's what they do.
00:59:27.880That if the Conservative Party smartens up and kind of realizes that, hey, we'll never get the Calistani support
00:59:34.560because the liberals and the NDP will always just be crazier than us,
00:59:37.320maybe we can win over the Hindu community and the majority of the Sikh community by opposing the Calistani movement.
01:05:34.340The Kareem episode, if you're interested in Calistan, we have a big Calistan episode.
01:05:38.520If you're interested in foreign policy, we have a Spencer Fernando episode on that.
01:05:42.000So Kareem, we talked about the anti-hate network and sort of the laundering of the censorship type stuff.
01:05:47.120That was really interesting to talk across the aisle.
01:05:48.800Yeah, the Calistan issue with Baraj Doyle.
01:05:51.380I was impressed with that interview we did with Spencer Fernando because that one was posted just at the right time to get views because nobody cares about foreign policy.
01:06:00.920Honestly, I'm impressed with our audience because they have a fairly high ability to hear about foreign policy for a long time without getting bored.
01:06:09.140And that thing is our most popular video right now with Spencer.
01:06:12.100I'm sure it's like 29,000 views of people actually hearing us talk about foreign policy in a way where we don't just start screaming about money laundering in Ukraine or something like that.