The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - Live： Trudeau's Tries To Censor Podcasts

00:00:00.960 Welcome, everyone, to this episode of TNT Live, where we will do the last podcast to ever exist.

00:00:07.540 No, we will be talking about censorship a lot. We'll get into more Canadian news, and then we have the foreign and international news, Canada, India.

00:00:15.980 But first, we have to talk about the fact that the Internet is under threat from Bill C-11 and Bill C-18 and the censorious impulse of the Liberal government.

00:00:26.800 So we're going to be talking a lot about the history of it, the pathway down, and then what the new law or change the law or implementation of the law is.

00:00:38.320 And essentially what is going down now is they want the CRTC to regulate podcast holders.

00:00:44.380 And this will affect more than just podcasts. It will affect everything on the sites there.

00:00:49.060 So why don't you give an opening salvo and then I'll scream and rant incoherently afterwards.

00:00:54.060 Yeah. And so I cut one thing off of the past.

00:00:57.960 The idea that both the Liberal government and the media has been putting out that it's just regulating podcasts that have $10 million or more,

00:01:05.640 podcast networks of $10 million or more or whatever.

00:01:08.660 Revenue not profit.

00:01:10.000 This all came from Bill C-11. I don't even know what the act's called. It's just Bill C-11.

00:01:14.780 The Online Streaming Act.

00:01:15.680 Yeah. Online Streaming Act. It basically regulates what algorithms promote, whether something's Canadian or not.

00:01:22.900 Basically puts a lot of online content under the purview of the CRTC. 0.55

00:01:27.780 Completely ridiculous. They shouldn't be doing this.

00:01:30.420 But this current thing that they're doing, and it gives a lie to the idea, the Liberals are just doing X.

00:01:35.560 This was literally not part of the original C-11 and it's been added.

00:01:39.500 So that now it's not just going after, you know, the YouTube algorithm trying to shape that.

00:01:43.640 It's basically trying to regulate what individual podcasts talk about do and all this other sort of stuff that they use their money for.

00:01:50.640 That obviously the Liberals are always going to expand the definitions of what they mean by regulating online content.

00:01:57.200 It'll always get worse.

00:01:58.340 They've never done anything to make this easier on the user or the creators.

00:02:03.280 It's only ever gotten worse.

00:02:04.480 Yet every step of the way, government officials and members of the media are just always like, well, he's only doing blah.

00:02:10.640 And he's only ever going to do blah.

00:02:12.880 And if you say that he's going to do Y instead of X, then you're lying because Y isn't currently happening yet. 0.96

00:02:19.540 It's the most ridiculous thing ever. 0.85

00:02:20.640 It's like when online Max Fawcett was mad at you because you said Justin Trudeau was a dictator without a dictatorship. 0.98

00:02:27.500 He's like, that's a semantic game.

00:02:29.460 I'm like, no, it isn't.

00:02:30.700 That's an answer.

00:02:31.740 That means he has an, the answer is clear.

00:02:34.600 He has an authoritarian impulse, but the system is not an autocracy.

00:02:39.160 It's like you can't call anyone a socialist or a communist because we don't live in a socialist or communist society yet.

00:02:45.440 Not until Mao ascends to the top of the red square and starts delivering a speech about how everyone has to, like, we're going to be changing the street, like the go lights to red instead of green.

00:02:55.860 That's when you can start calling them a communist until your farm is collectivized.

00:02:59.800 You're being hyperbolic.

00:03:01.820 Yeah.

00:03:02.080 I mean, so here's the thing I got.

00:03:04.940 I mean, I'm getting calls to arrange a protest here.

00:03:09.180 This is called the laundering of censorship.

00:03:11.580 Okay.

00:03:11.800 So you have the right to free expression in our society.

00:03:15.660 You call it free speech, charter right to be, and the government cannot infringe on your right to freedom of expression.

00:03:23.300 So what does the government do here?

00:03:24.740 Because they want to limit your freedom of expression.

00:03:26.280 They put the CRTC, the bureaucrats, in charge of the podcast hosting sites.

00:03:32.420 So you go, oh, anyone who makes $10 million revenue, not profit, or more, will be affected.

00:03:36.920 So the max faucets of the world are going to say, you make $10 million?

00:03:41.040 You don't make $10 million. 0.99

00:03:42.160 Shut up. 1.00

00:03:43.360 You're just simps for the rich. 1.00

00:03:44.760 Typical conservatives just hurting themselves to help out the rich people because conservatives only care about millionaires.

00:03:51.740 That's the narrative they want.

00:03:52.800 But who makes more than $10 million a year?

00:03:55.580 YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, Apple, all the things, SoundCloud, all the things you host these podcasts on, all of them will be regulated by the government.

00:04:05.980 So my YouTube channel won't be worth $10 million, but YouTube itself will.

00:04:11.160 And then the regulations for what can go onto Canada will be put onto YouTube, Spotify, SoundCloud, and the rest.

00:04:17.540 It will then force those companies to take those regulations and enforce them themselves upon creators if they want to comply with the Canadian government, which means when you get censored by YouTube or Spotify or whatever, you won't be able to make a charter claim saying they're infringing on my right to free speech because then it's a private company doing it to you.

00:04:38.160 So that's the extra gaslighting here is the government has then put regulations on the hosting sites, which they then have to transfer to the content creators.

00:04:47.220 So that's how the censorship gets down to us.

00:04:49.940 And then it gets to you, the people watching us, because they're curating what you can and cannot see.

00:04:56.300 And it's not one of those current systems where you can say, well, you can just opt out and do your own thing.

00:05:01.560 Just create your own.

00:05:02.900 Because I could see one day True North and Rebel News having more than $10 million in revenue every year.

00:05:08.600 And then they can't just make their own and opt out of all the CRTC censorship because $10 million isn't that much.

00:05:16.000 Pretty much every single news outlet in the U.S. that's not just some random guy's blog in a singular state is worth more than $10 million.

00:05:23.640 Media companies get quite big.

00:05:25.300 Indie media in Canada is still pretty new. 0.66

00:05:27.420 But as soon as it gets any amount of power, now the CRTC gets to say what you have to say and do and what you have to talk about and all this other sort of crap.

00:05:35.180 That you have to literally curate your own independent platform based on what the CRTC wants.

00:05:40.820 Like, oh, you talked a little too much about American politics this week.

00:05:43.880 You need to play the safety dance again if you want to be able to keep talking about what Joe Biden's doing.

00:05:51.780 Yeah.

00:05:52.260 I mean, my thing with C11 is the lie was always it's going to help Canadian content creators.

00:05:56.460 The first thing was it's going to help Canadian content creators.

00:05:59.060 Then the next lie was it's not going to affect Canadian content creators.

00:06:01.920 Now we're back at Canadian content creators.

00:06:03.280 But the original lie that it was going to help us was absurd.

00:06:06.340 Do you really think like the example I always give was the bill was intended to be like a Canadian types Ben Shapiro into YouTube.

00:06:14.240 And then I come up because it's like, did you mean Canadian fast talking Jew? 0.79

00:06:17.560 Right.

00:06:17.960 And then, oh, you're supposed to watch me instead of Ben Shapiro.

00:06:20.680 And then I grow instead of you seeing that pesky American news.

00:06:24.440 That was like what was supposed to happen.

00:06:27.040 The protectionism. 0.96

00:06:28.120 Now, one, that's ridiculous.

00:06:29.400 But two, do you guys really think the Canadian government would ever do the National Telegraph any favors? 0.52

00:06:34.340 You know, that's that's the we're small enough.

00:06:38.320 They can just pretend like, well, we didn't know they were Canadian.

00:06:40.920 We didn't see it.

00:06:41.920 You have to have a certain amount of views for us to take you seriously.

00:06:44.520 So basically, if you can get more than, you know, a million views a month, that's when they start regulating what you're saying and doing in terms of the algorithm.

00:06:52.560 So we're not going to be benefited at all unless we're getting more than a million views a month.

00:06:56.720 And even then, they'll probably find some excuse about how we're not really Canadian because we didn't hire a Canadian to like, I don't make a sandwiches during the podcast or something like that.

00:07:05.080 Because the CRTC rules, even on live television and movies, is completely ridiculous on what counts as Canadian media.

00:07:11.440 It's like, who is the caterer?

00:07:13.420 Who was the producer?

00:07:14.680 Who was the producer's tutor in 1956?

00:07:17.720 Yeah, the arbitrariness in which, like, there's been great examples of, like, projects that are, like, filmed in America, produced in America, like, mostly.

00:07:25.400 And, like, one Canadian, but it counts as Canadian content in some weird way, and then things filmed in Canada by Canadian, like, directors or not.

00:07:31.240 Like, it's so arbitrary, right?

00:07:32.800 It's a system to game.

00:07:34.560 And vague regulations allow for government officials and bureaucrats themselves to game the system.

00:07:40.360 Because if the rules are too vague, it allows you to start censoring people.

00:07:44.500 And that's exactly what big tech already does.

00:07:46.460 We're not here to defend big tech and say that they're most brilliant people on the planet.

00:07:51.100 At the same time, they're still just better than the Canadian government.

00:07:53.900 But even big tech gets away with it.

00:07:55.680 When, during COVID, they're kicking people off for misinformation, and they can't actually tell you what misinformation is.

00:08:00.740 But as soon as you use the word vaccine or COVID-19, they basically have an end to say, well, you're not a doctor, so you're not allowed to talk.

00:08:07.320 But they'll allow people who are basically mouthpieces for the regime to be able to talk however they want about the issue.

00:08:13.020 And there's other, like, there's hate speech laws tied into this, like, Bill C-36.

00:08:16.400 Like, there's a whole intricate web of different bills sort of tied together that they can use.

00:08:20.800 And the way they cover the bills, especially in the media, and we'll get into why the media does this in a second, is they can parse them out one by one.

00:08:28.560 And see, this bill doesn't say this.

00:08:29.820 This bill doesn't say this.

00:08:31.020 And you have to kind of look like the crazy person, like the Charlie's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, I mean, connecting C-18 to C-36 to the private companies here, here, and here.

00:08:37.640 You know, what I will say on this is just look at the results of Bill C-18, the bill that was supposed to get us so much money as news people, supposed to, you know, make the big tech companies pay our fair share.

00:08:49.280 It destroyed us.

00:08:50.400 It destroyed our ability to post.

00:08:52.040 We can't post links on Facebook and Google, like the two biggest news sites in the world.

00:08:57.240 And they screwed us.

00:08:59.560 And now we had to transition to more video content than written because there's just no money in written content anymore.

00:09:06.100 And now they're coming after that, too.

00:09:07.640 So this is where we're going to make a stand.

00:09:11.280 And if you see me looking down and texting, I'm texting the co-organizer of a protest, my friend Salman Sima, right now.

00:09:17.280 And we're organizing a protest on October 14th in Toronto, inside Christopher Freeland's office, 4 p.m. there.

00:09:23.020 I will be there.

00:09:23.880 I will actually fly out.

00:09:24.520 Wyatt is flying in for this.

00:09:26.160 So if you want to meet Wyatt and I, come to Toronto Saturday the 14th.

00:09:31.940 You know, a flyer should be out tomorrow.

00:09:34.340 So please share it if you're not in Toronto.

00:09:37.160 If you're in, you know, Vancouver, you want to do something similar, have at it.

00:09:41.340 I'll help you out.

00:09:42.160 So DM me, you can use our flyer and just change the dates and the locations and such.

00:09:49.760 That's all fine.

00:09:50.920 But, you know, it's not a comfortable time to be doing what we're doing.

00:09:57.320 And, you know, we're lucky that we're having some success in a foreign market by absolute chance.

00:10:01.440 But, like, if we didn't have that, like, this weird sort of viral India moment for us, like, we'd be scrambling.

00:10:10.440 Like, it would be nearly impossible.

00:10:12.260 And here's been kind of a slow march of what the liberals have been doing.

00:10:16.480 I'd say since about 2016, that's when they've been kind of pushing for more regulations or more pressure on big tech to regulate things more.

00:10:24.980 It would be the same thing as a lot of congressional Democrats were doing at the time because Donald Trump winning the election.

00:10:29.940 Everything became its big tech fault that bad information, not even misinformation or anything, information we do not like, information we would label bad.

00:10:38.060 It's too available on social media.

00:10:40.540 So we're going to pressure big tech companies into changing their algorithms.

00:10:43.980 Cambridge Analytica.

00:10:44.840 Oh, no.

00:10:45.440 Cambridge Analytica.

00:10:46.560 They used targeted advertising on Facebook.

00:10:50.620 Oh, no.

00:10:52.260 A political campaign used Facebook ads.

00:10:54.760 It's the fall of democracy.

00:10:56.520 How could they?

00:10:57.740 Yeah.

00:10:57.980 The Trump campaign figured out something that the Obama campaign did.

00:11:01.620 That's illegal.

00:11:02.600 That's ideological fraud because only Democrats are supposed to be allowed to be good at social media.

00:11:08.420 But the liberals and the Democrats had put a lot of pressure on social media to basically say, do not anti-regime type posts, anti-left wing type posts.

00:11:19.220 Just bury those a little bit more.

00:11:20.880 So like 2016 was like a big golden age when it came to just freeze the Internet.

00:11:26.100 If you were good at what you did on YouTube or any other platform, you could grow quickly.

00:11:30.200 After that, it started to really slow down after 2017.

00:11:33.700 And when we started T&T in late 2019, early 2020, that was probably one of the worst times to actually start a new company.

00:11:41.560 It was one of the best times, too, because we would have gone stir crazy in lockdowns and it would give you something to do.

00:11:46.980 Yeah.

00:11:47.500 The timing in 2019 was not great.

00:11:49.100 But post-COVID, like COVID made people more new.

00:11:51.360 You can remember, in the summer of 2020, it was actually still pretty good.

00:11:54.360 So if you could get onto certain groups like the Wexit group on Facebook, you could share an article.

00:11:58.580 You could get 10,000 views on an article because it was really easy to connect with people who are looking for content like yours.

00:12:04.620 At midway through 2020, it was impossible to reach anybody.

00:12:08.860 We would see our viewership go per month, legitimately would go from 250,000 views of articles per month down to like 20,000 or like 30,000 because people weren't allowed to discover you.

00:12:21.040 And that was before the government got involved.

00:12:22.820 It's gotten a little bit better here and there because I think big tech got caught a few lawsuits where they were like blatantly shown to be favoring one type of like one person over another in the exact same situation.

00:12:34.400 But now the liberals, first, they try to restrict it so that if you're getting into the space, you need a lot of money to be able to promote yourself, buy ads and be able to grow a base of people to market to.

00:12:43.760 Now they're basically trying to make it that even if you have 10 million dollars, they can stop you from growing because they can just say this person has 10 million dollars.

00:12:52.120 Well, you better show the safety dance of the log ride or just waltz or something like 15 times every single stream because everything must be more Canadian in the liberals definition of the term.

00:13:02.220 Also, you're not Canadian enough. 0.63

00:13:03.340 So you won't be found on YouTube unless people type in the exact name of your show on YouTube, filter for channels and scroll down for like 10 miles.

00:13:14.360 Yeah.

00:13:14.840 I mean, I remember back when I started getting political, like late 15, 20, late 2016, early 2016, very easy to grow a Facebook page and do this.

00:13:21.940 Like these big tech companies wanted people on their sites to grow and pass messages.

00:13:27.140 And like Facebook was like, let's make money and let's let's make this a place where people can create content and put out stuff and grow and then like make Facebook a thing people want to be on.

00:13:36.760 And then like the left got a hold of him and said, you caused Donald Trump because he paid for advertising like Obama did.

00:13:43.920 And Facebook's like, OK, we want to destroy we will destroy we will destroy Facebook for you.

00:13:47.540 Like it was insane.

00:13:48.660 Facebook was like, yeah, we will destroy this our own site and our own.

00:13:53.180 Listen, Facebook became a place for boomers to share news articles. 0.91

00:13:56.880 So what?

00:13:58.060 That's that's that's still a that's still a decent way to exist.

00:14:03.580 But no, that had to be shut down because if boomers share articles, people can read things.

00:14:07.800 And if they read things, they might learn things.

00:14:09.560 And if they learn things that you don't like, well, then the republic will collapse.

00:14:12.820 That was the logic there.

00:14:14.160 And there's one other element to this that I do want to point out now it I tweeted it out, but it's not just the government.

00:14:20.940 This is also the major telecom company.

00:14:23.680 Rogers and Bell pushed hard for these laws, both C-18 and C-11.

00:14:27.980 They lobbied hard.

00:14:29.320 They had entire teams of lawyers and lobbyists push incredibly hard to get these bill passed because they benefit them.

00:14:36.140 Because with a hundred lawyers, you can circumnavigate all.

00:14:41.120 Well, it's sort of like when you increase the minimum wage, Walmart doesn't get hurt, but small businesses do.

00:14:45.500 The thought is, I think, from the big tech companies, as are the big telecom companies who own, you know, the media companies that that we complain about is, well, if they hurt everyone on the Internet, well, it destroys.

00:14:57.740 It hurts the National Telegraph, Canada Land, Western Standard, Q North, Rebel News.

00:15:01.840 It hurts them more than it hurts us.

00:15:03.180 So when they are dead and we can step over the corpses of alternative media and regain our monopoly, then we will proffer and prosper.

00:15:10.960 So don't expect any help from the mainstream media here.

00:15:14.160 That's exactly why Jagmeet Singh is completely ridiculous on the idea of, like, you know, big box grocery stores not paying their fair share.

00:15:22.840 They're not being good enough to workers.

00:15:23.980 It's literally the big box grocery stores like Loblaws who lobby for higher minimum wages because they can handle the price shocks on labor, but other smaller businesses can't.

00:15:33.380 And that's exactly what they're doing.

00:15:34.820 Because, again, a lot, it's effectively media is just a subsidy industry.

00:15:38.900 The CBC does not actually care about the $300 million they generate in ad revenue every year.

00:15:43.760 They could care less.

00:15:44.820 It's not really, that's not their main business.

00:15:46.500 Because obviously they're going to be able to generate some ad revenue when they have $1.2 billion of taxpayer money propping them up every single year.

00:15:54.360 But the thing is that they care way more about the subsidy money than they care about the potential ad revenue money.

00:15:59.820 So if everyone's reach gets cut by 40%, although they're also relying on the fact that government's probably going to knock them up in the algorithms through all these changes,

00:16:07.900 even if it was hurting everybody, they still benefit from the fact that things like Bill C-18 literally came with $300 million extra for big tech,

00:16:16.860 or not big tech, but the big media platforms in that bill.

00:16:20.380 They just got a $300 million pay, like, just, like, injection of money. 0.75

00:16:25.360 It was completely ridiculous.

00:16:27.340 But anyways, I want to move on to, because there's a super chat, and I think it's actually a really good question for us to answer, from Pat Juress.

00:16:33.540 And it's, comment for the progressive algorithm.

00:16:35.400 We are always happy that you were commenting to boost us in the progressive algorithm.

00:16:39.260 And they say, what do we get when accessing content blocked by C-11?

00:16:43.800 Blocked in Canada, like, quote, unquote, redirected to climate change propaganda, knock at the door at 3 a.m. for hate speech.

00:16:50.920 And what I think it is, is just that when you're searching up Canadian content, even if you click on one of our videos directly because you're subscribed,

00:16:58.780 and I think what's going to happen is on the right side of the YouTube page where you usually have recommended videos,

00:17:05.600 you're not going to get recommended another video from us.

00:17:08.000 You're not going to get another one from Clyde Do Something, The Pleb, True North, Rebel News, any independent creators, Viva Fry.

00:17:15.280 You're just going to start seeing CBC, Global News, and any other sort of big telecommunications.

00:17:21.420 The people who have lawyers to lobby around, they'll be, listen, if you do a $1 billion super chat right now, I'm not saying that, right?

00:17:30.200 And then we have a billion dollars, let's say.

00:17:32.760 Do it, do it.

00:17:33.440 No, but, like, if we had a billion dollars, then I would hire, you know, a team of 20 lawyers, put them on retainer, right, and then have them circumnavigate this.

00:17:44.260 I would have them send letters to the government.

00:17:46.720 I would, you know, counter sue and whatever and send a message to them that, like, hey, the National Telegraph has some weight.

00:17:52.000 We have lawyers in there, you know, throw some letters to the CRTC, have people, you know, and this is what Bell and Roger do.

00:18:00.080 They spend a lot of money to keep their legal teams engaged with the regulators to give them favorable treatment.

00:18:05.620 And if I had a billion dollars, I would do that, too, just so I could keep talking about the stuff I want to on the Internet.

00:18:11.360 But, you know, smaller companies will never have the reason.

00:18:14.420 Like, I'm okay with the fact that I probably, most likely, 99.999% chance, will never have the ability to hire an entire team of lawyers on retainer to just liaise with governments and do whatever I want.

00:18:28.380 Like, that's like millions and millions and, like, tens of millions of dollars a year just to do that.

00:18:33.820 But it's worth it for Bell and Rogers, who can use the $10 million they pay in legal fees a year to lobby the government to have them be favored at the tune of billions of dollars a year.

00:18:43.920 And it will always be done from, like, a seemingly pro-taxpayer's point of view.

00:18:47.840 Like, well, we want there to be mountains of paperwork to actually show that you're real Canadian content because we don't want people faking their way into the algorithm and getting promoted.

00:18:58.960 You know, a bunch of scary Americans potentially getting in on this whole Canadian content thing.

00:19:05.300 So I do not doubt that if C11 passes, we're just going to see, like, there's 40-page documents you have to go through in order to prove you're sufficiently Canadian so that you don't get completely nuked on the algorithm.

00:19:19.300 And a lot of us are either going to be incentivized to do that or we'll have to find completely alternative ways of promoting ourselves or you just have to pay more money in ads in order to get to subscribers.

00:19:30.380 That's basically what it's going to be.

00:19:32.540 And, again, just to go back to it, this is what drives me up a wall about the very legacy media-esque.

00:19:39.340 Because not all of them are in the legacy media.

00:19:40.780 Some of them, like Max Fawcett, have their own news outlets that are funded by renewable companies and whatnot.

00:19:47.140 But they always make the excuse that, well, the government's not telling you that you're not going to be promoted on the algorithm.

00:19:52.420 You're fear-mongering.

00:19:53.560 It's just to protect Canadian content, blah, blah, blah.

00:19:56.540 What did we see with C18?

00:19:57.680 We were supposedly supposed to get paid.

00:19:59.860 We were so rich off of C18.

00:20:02.120 What happened?

00:20:02.720 Where's the money?

00:20:03.340 Why is it gold falling from the sky right now?

00:20:05.920 It turns out in tensions in policy, what the bill says is not always what it really needs.

00:20:12.440 Because Facebook or Meta or I think the government maybe itself, I just saw an estimate online that they estimated how much Facebook would have to pay every single year.

00:20:21.680 Because the idea was that Facebook, even though it hurts them that people are clicking on websites and leaving the platform to go to a different place to go read something or watch a video.

00:20:30.100 Even though it's ideal for them to keep people on platform, they're going to pay creators and journalists every single time one of their links gets clicked on.

00:20:38.780 It's completely absurd.

00:20:40.920 That makes no sense at all.

00:20:42.160 And they estimated that this would cost Facebook every year $56 million.

00:20:46.240 $56 million a year.

00:20:49.580 Do you think that there is $56 million in these journalism companies spending on ads and other things?

00:20:56.940 There's no benefit.

00:20:57.800 They're basically, Trudeau just came and just pounded the desk over at Meta and they said,

00:21:03.360 You guys are going to have to pay $50 million for the privilege of journalists voluntarily using your platform in order to promote their content.

00:21:11.840 I'm completely fine with the way that Facebook operates.

00:21:15.520 The way that they, other than some of them being pressured by left-wing politicians to restrict people like us.

00:21:21.260 But the normal operating procedure of Facebook is entirely fair.

00:21:25.340 I'm not inventing Facebook.

00:21:26.860 I'm totally okay with starting a page, posting our articles, posting live streams and whatnot.

00:21:32.160 Facebook is a free resource for us.

00:21:34.820 Facebook is a free resource for the National Telegraph, True North Media, and CBC too. 0.94

00:21:40.280 They just suck at it. 1.00

00:21:41.660 They suck. 1.00

00:21:42.720 And they're antiquated and they pay a bunch of losers to do nothing. 1.00

00:21:46.660 That's their problem. 1.00

00:21:48.260 And then they put shit behind a paywall and they wonder why they can't grow on social media when they just suck at it. 1.00

00:21:53.260 They don't put anything interesting or entertaining. 0.99

00:21:55.900 They don't put headlines that are SEO optimized anymore.

00:21:58.940 They think they're writing articles in 1974.

00:22:01.400 They're antiquated.

00:22:02.940 And instead of adjusting to the new times to make money, they want to drag everyone back to the 80s with them. 0.99

00:22:08.000 Like that's, you know, that's my rage with these ding-dongs is they suck at it and they can't survive. 1.00

00:22:15.140 Like Facebook gives us a free service. 0.97

00:22:17.460 We use Facebook for free.

00:22:19.800 We create a page.

00:22:21.220 People follow it if they like our articles.

00:22:23.120 Then they see more of our articles.

00:22:24.200 If they see an article they like on Facebook, they click on it.

00:22:27.340 They read it.

00:22:28.080 We get ad revenue, right?

00:22:30.040 And then they can go back to Facebook or they can subscribe to the National Telegraph Letter.

00:22:33.820 Right now we can't do that anymore.

00:22:35.300 Like that's how we drove a lot of traffic to our site is go on Facebook.

00:22:38.800 You know, sometimes we'd write, Wyatt and I would talk about like, okay, this is going to be a really good article.

00:22:43.060 Use this title so it will be Google search higher, right?

00:22:45.580 Get it higher in Google News.

00:22:47.020 That's another way to make an article, get a lot of views.

00:22:50.000 Like sometimes on Twitter, there's certain things you could say, you know, put a bit of a, like, you know, I share it.

00:22:55.760 I make a bit of a comment or stochastic tweet and maybe that can go, whatever.

00:22:59.240 And we still have Twitter, thank Elon.

00:23:02.000 But we no longer have Facebook and Meta to do this.

00:23:07.460 The CBC is the Rosemary Barden scale.

00:23:10.060 Yeah.

00:23:10.420 If anyone remembers, maybe we'll film an episode of it for old time's sake, but Daniel's joke.

00:23:14.280 Okay, when Wyatt and I, when Wyatt and I, when Wyatt comes in and stays with me before the protest, we will do a Wyatt Claypool, Daniel Boardman, worst of the CBC, live or something.

00:23:25.320 We'll figure it out.

00:23:26.540 Yeah.

00:23:27.460 Yeah.

00:23:27.760 Honestly, also, here's the thing.

00:23:29.380 You should be allowed to steal CBC content and rip it and just have it live streamed.

00:23:33.820 Yeah, pay for it already.

00:23:34.840 Well, we literally pay for it.

00:23:36.140 It's like, it's like $70 a year.

00:23:38.420 It's like more than, for the average person paying for it, it's like more than streaming services. 0.93

00:23:43.220 It's ridiculous.

00:23:43.920 And you get like Netflix for like $10 a month and your whole family gets to use it.

00:23:47.980 Everyone in the house is paying like $50 a year for CBC.

00:23:51.380 Oh, goodness.

00:23:52.120 Man, just having to go watch a CBC gym show.

00:23:54.800 I just thought of that.

00:23:56.280 Anyways, before I get to the super chat, I just wanted to make the point clear.

00:23:59.820 If you guys just want to ask questions in the chat, even if you're not paying for it, we do appreciate super chats.

00:24:04.600 We will still answer them.

00:24:05.460 We're not, well, our egos are not big enough that we assume that you have to pay us, but it is, we do.

00:24:10.440 Although we will prioritize the people who pay us money because we have to make a living with the government.

00:24:15.620 Hatch Dress is fantastic.

00:24:16.880 And he says, Canadians got to stop voting for Fidel's son.

00:24:20.040 Stop listening to CTV and globalist news and ask the carbon tax money when I could thrive financially and work towards a billion dollars.

00:24:26.900 Super chat for TNT.

00:24:27.840 There you go, 100%.

00:24:29.600 But obviously, it's not just the CBC.

00:24:33.600 It's global news.

00:24:35.000 It's CTV, all these other ones.

00:24:36.380 And CTV did this thing like several months ago.

00:24:38.560 CTV as well, by the way.

00:24:39.900 Yeah, we don't get any government subsidies.

00:24:43.000 I'm like, yeah, because the check doesn't come in the mail saying, here's your subsidy.

00:24:47.240 It's, here's your employment, like journal, it's like, it's like employment benefits or like government subsidized wages for people who work in journalism and all of this stuff.

00:24:57.940 Different sort of grants that they get through the Canadian government and Canadian content.

00:25:02.520 That's how a lot of these companies get it.

00:25:04.060 So even though they're not getting the 1.2 billion that CBC are getting, they're still getting hundreds of millions a year through these different subsidies and just sort of offsets of costs for themselves.

00:25:13.240 It's, it's, it's really gross.

00:25:16.280 And I, the character of the sort of people defending the stuff who work for the CDC, who are trying to explain how it's actually good policy. 0.98

00:25:23.200 I'm like, screw you guys. 0.96

00:25:25.120 You guys are just nasty people who sit at home writing one article every other day or so and getting paid 60 to $100,000 to do it. 1.00

00:25:33.980 Shut up. 1.00

00:25:34.680 Like, the thing is that we literally do this borderline for free. 0.99

00:25:38.840 It's a net cost for us to do this.

00:25:41.060 And that's effectively what the liberals are trying to turn the media space into. 1.00

00:25:44.660 Unless you're just hyper-passionate like we are and you would cover news if you had to pay a fee to do it, you're, it's just going to block any of everyone else out who has the passion but can't afford to do it or really doesn't like the fact that they just aren't able to generate a partial income off of it.

00:26:00.120 That's where the liberals are, the liberals are trying to turn it off.

00:26:02.760 Yeah, we both have to do other things just to keep the National Telegraph afloat.

00:26:07.000 And, you know, the hope is one day, you know, we can, you know, like, share, subscribe, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:26:12.440 But yeah, you're right.

00:26:13.180 Like, unless you have, like.

00:26:14.880 You have to, you have to know you're grinding it out for, you have to either, or you have to get like some sort of angel investor type thing or the government or like, but, you know, it's hard to remain independent.

00:26:24.880 You're the angel investor, your company costs so much or you have so much revenue, the CRTC gets to start telling you what to do.

00:26:30.660 And that's where the whole point is every avenue that you take starting a media company and trying to inform Canadians comes with extra paperwork, extra regulations, extra interactions with bureaucracy.

00:26:40.680 And I think the other motivation of this is also to make people who are wanting to maybe get into journalism one day, they're in high school, maybe they're even taking a journalism degree at university, that they almost subconsciously start to shape their views around what is actually lucrative in Canadian media, what will get them subsidies.

00:26:59.300 So are they really going to say those things that might get them, you know, blackballed from working at the CBC because they really need the money and they really need that stable CBC job if they actually want to pursue their passion in reporting on the news?

00:27:10.860 Maybe it's not the type of news they want to report on because it's censored, but that's kind of just how it ended up.

00:27:16.180 Yeah, I think that there's another, there's like another element to it. I think that's right. There's another, I think, scare tactic here.

00:27:22.740 I think there's a lot of podcasts that kind of dabble in a lot of things.

00:27:26.440 There's one podcast right now, my friend Ben Bankis was on, it's called Real Toronto News.

00:27:31.180 I follow them on Instagram or whatever and see. And it's interesting because, you know, I'm not cool.

00:27:35.540 And the most of what Real Toronto News does is they'll interview rappers or they'll interview like female rappers who like say ridiculously slutty things and then go viral for being ridiculous. 0.96

00:27:44.680 And that's the majority of it. But also they sometimes cover the news. 0.89

00:27:48.020 They sometimes actually will tweet out, this is happening, this is happening.

00:27:50.980 And then they'll bring on people like Ben Bankis or other interesting people.

00:27:53.720 And I think the point of the law is also to scare those people and say, all right, you want to do a podcast talking to rappers and bimbos, culture stuff? 1.00

00:28:02.780 That's fine. But none of these controversial people, no public intellectuals, no journalists, no comedians, no one who's going to rock the boat.

00:28:11.980 Only people to talk about rapping and dancing and this and that and money. 0.76

00:28:16.880 You can talk about that. Nothing to our core. And I think that if you're successful, like and you're starting to make a business and you're like, oh, I'm making it.

00:28:24.340 I think the calculations to make podcasts like that go, OK, I'm starting to make it.

00:28:29.140 And if I bring on Daniel Boardman, Wyatt Claypool, someone in that ecosystem, even though I might find it interesting or even I want to bring on someone like Leflin.

00:28:38.820 I want to bring on Jesse Brown from Canada Land. And then I want to bring on Daniel Boardman the next week.

00:28:42.580 And that's what this bill, I think, is intended to stop is the politics people can do politics and they'll stay in their corner.

00:28:50.040 But we want to make you dead certain, everyone, if you stray into the little politics thing, we're going to take you, regulate you and throw you in a corner.

00:28:59.160 So that I think is also part of it is we don't want anyone to have a podcast that gets a bit too real right now.

00:29:06.560 That's that's sort of what I intend. I see.

00:29:09.920 It is really funny that unironically, you will get a better picture of what's going on in Toronto and Canada in general by following real Toronto news and six buzz.

00:29:19.200 Then you will not follow us. 0.73

00:29:21.180 Well, real six buzz is like lefty ridiculous. And I'm not going to promote every once in a while.

00:29:26.920 They'll post at least something funny.

00:29:28.920 At least.

00:29:29.240 But yeah, that's usually sold from someone else.

00:29:31.380 Andrew Schultz making fun of Justin Trudeau and Andrew Schultz making fun of Justin Trudeau and the Harveep Singh Najjar.

00:29:36.920 Or a whole episode, even though he's wrong and he spells his name wrong, you get more content out of that than you get out of the CDC.

00:29:43.520 I just wanted to give an assurance to someone in the comments, truth brush, that we will be talking about the Kalistani issue towards more of the end of the show.

00:29:51.700 We usually do about an hour and we're about halfway through.

00:29:53.960 But we definitely want to talk about Justin Trudeau and Melanie Jolie now wanting private talks with the Indian government after messing up that entire diplomatic fight.

00:30:02.300 Yeah, I think that'll be a good thing. I will say on the Andrew Schultz thing, you know, I was talking to Andrew Schultz in the green room before he did the joke.

00:30:10.720 I was the one who I was the one who told him he was a Kalistani.

00:30:14.100 So he changed it. That's why I called him a Punjabi separatist and not a plumber.

00:30:18.900 Andrew Schultz is a good guy.

00:30:19.900 Like from meeting him, like really smart guy. It's not like I told him, like he understood the situation.

00:30:25.020 Really nice guy. But like, yeah, he was it was interesting.

00:30:27.520 Like he was willing to listen. And then like he just made this sort of joke on the fly and thought of it and did it on like the Wednesday night show for the Ben Bankis thing.

00:30:34.140 And then he, you know, I guess did a few more shows, polished it up and then threw it on his his Scotiabank arena show.

00:30:41.680 And that was that was pretty cool for me to see. It's like, oh, well, you know, and then.

00:30:45.880 I just have to say, when I saw that video of Ben Bankis meeting Andrew Schultz, I couldn't stop thinking that he looks like the child of the guy from Lazy Town.

00:30:55.140 His hair is hair looks. Yeah, I don't know. It looks like a helmet a little bit.

00:31:00.060 All right. Very. Yeah. Do we have a transition thing?

00:31:04.040 Do you want to talk about Trudeau saying more gaslighting things? He never went after parents.

00:31:08.160 I just want to grab this one thing from Jordan.

00:31:11.000 Would you ever be would it ever be possible to get rid of the CRTC?

00:31:15.880 I don't think you can get rid of the CRTC. Just like with the CBC, I don't think pure poly is going to get rid of the CBC.

00:31:23.380 I think it's going to be heavily defunded and move towards just doing northern Canada news because those places legitimately do need subsidized news because it's super low populations.

00:31:33.060 And unless people are going to come together and give like, you know, $100 every year to be able to operate a radio station, it's just not going to happen.

00:31:39.020 But with the CRTC, I think they just need to be redirected to being something that if it's on public airwaves and or it's on radio, yes, you cannot show a cat being thrown into a wood chip or on national TV.

00:31:52.620 OK, that's the CRTC's purview.

00:31:54.620 They have to make sure that like TV signals and radio signals, although everything's satellite these days, that you're like radio stations are not fighting over the same banner.

00:32:02.160 Fair enough. There can be mild standards and practices.

00:32:06.560 Really, a lot of policy in Canada just needs to come down to the idea that, you know, something that needs to be regulated when you see it or the reasonable person.

00:32:15.080 If something is crazy going on, obviously, the CRTC can say something right now.

00:32:20.980 They're finding excuses to say something in every situation and be able to control just the way that you say hello when you start up a podcast.

00:32:28.100 It's going to be look at work. And that's not even a joke.

00:32:31.100 We might be able to get to the point where you have to say hello.

00:32:33.020 Bonjour. Before we start our podcast.

00:32:35.580 Hello, bonjour.

00:32:37.520 But anyways, transition, smooth transition is about to happen.

00:32:40.620 So, Justin Trudeau, just the other day, I'm not sure if anyone remembers a couple of months ago where he said that people who were fighting for parental rights were extreme and far right and all this other stuff.

00:32:50.640 And they hated children and LGBTQ people.

00:32:53.640 80% of the country, statistically?

00:32:55.480 Yes. You know, just that small 80% of the country.

00:32:58.560 So, just today he came out and he had now said that, well, guys, I've never said anything bad about parents.

00:33:05.180 I've never said a single thing about a parent.

00:33:06.980 I don't even know what a parent is.

00:33:08.440 I don't have parents.

00:33:09.600 Anyways, Justin Trudeau came out of the woodwork today and claimed that he had never smeared the parental rights movement whatsoever.

00:33:17.900 Completely, like, insane.

00:33:20.340 But this is the narrative he's going along with.

00:33:23.380 And, of course, the media is now just reporting what he said word for word without actually fact-checking him because that's what the media does.

00:33:29.800 That's how they act objective.

00:33:31.620 Whenever Trudeau says something, they just transcribe it and report what he said.

00:33:35.140 But if a conservative says something, they will find something he said you wrote in your yearbook back in high school to prove that somehow you're lying.

00:33:42.660 Anyways, so I guess that's where I'm going to throw it off to you, Daniel, because I've been kind of following the parental rights stuff in Calgary.

00:33:52.040 But what it seems like to me is that once the Muslim groups like the Muslim Association of Canada and whatnot finally were pressured by people like Mahmoud Moura from YYC Muslims to come out and say something to defend Muslim parents, that's what's causing the liberals to panic.

00:34:06.060 Yeah, like the liberals have been highly invent, you know, working hand in fist with the Muslim Association of Canada and CCM like the big ones there, Islamic Relief.

00:34:14.800 And those organizations have been pretty much surrogates of the Liberal Party for a long time because the liberals have been very permissive and let them do whatever they want.

00:34:23.240 And now you're seeing a disconnect between those organizations and the actual Muslim community, which I have to put pressure on them to say, you know, what are you doing with this guy?

00:34:33.340 Because, you know, Trudeau has this sort of fantasy, let's say a lot of leftists have that all the browns, the Muslims, the Sikhs, the Hindus, the browns, the poor, the minorities, they all must be like me because I'm progressive.

00:34:46.240 And part of progressivism is protecting all the brown people. Why are they not thinking like me? Why do they not think my thoughts? Why are they not subservient to my will? 1.00

00:34:54.980 And that often leads them to lash out. It turns out most Muslims actually practice Islam. What? I mean, that's really shocking if you're in the Liberal Party. 0.99

00:35:03.980 But Muslims practicing Islam. I know you're flabbergasted if you're if you're if you're if you're a a a urban intellectual professional and you make six figures a year. 1.00

00:35:16.660 I know this is like the hardest thing for you to understand. But people actually believe what they claim to believe a lot of times on religious principles.

00:35:25.720 So Christians will actually practice Christianity. Muslims practice Islam. Jews will be Jewish. Hindus are Hindu. 0.92

00:35:31.380 I know it's it's too complicated for a lot of people to understand inside the Liberal Party, but that's actually what happens.

00:35:37.680 And you're seeing a disconnect here. And once these organizations are starting to come out, instead of apologizing, he's gone to step two, which is gaslighting.

00:35:45.940 And I think the problem for the Muslim Association of Canada, especially in Calgary, is that they have several mosques that are associated with them.

00:35:52.460 So once the once I guess I'm not sure if it's called something else, I'm using a Christian word, I guess, but congregants at that mosque then are obviously taking part in these protests are obviously pro the parental rights movement.

00:36:05.700 And they start to look at them and say, well, what are you guys doing?

00:36:08.980 They then are basically get their potential status of as being sponsors to different mosques threatened because they're not actually socially conservative organizations trying to stand up for Islamic values or just like how Christian churches are also kind of getting getting whacked whenever they don't actually stand up for Christian values.

00:36:25.740 That's what's threatening. I talked to several Muslim parental rights organizers in Calgary, and a lot of them did tell me, yeah, they've been having to basically wrangle organizations like the MAC because they are they are liberal organizations that are they're kind of like the ADL. 0.99

00:36:41.300 That's their first action is to try and find people on the right who are somehow can be labeled Islamophobic in order to basically, you know, it doesn't really matter.

00:36:50.980 But the whole point is that that has been their obsessive focus for so long that as soon as the Muslim community actually needed to speak out about liberal excess, they were completely unequipped and they didn't know what to do. 0.67

00:37:02.060 So they just sat in the corner and hoped that no one would notice them. And then they actually did get noticed.

00:37:06.500 But I could see that this being the major reason the liberals are down the polls right now.

00:37:12.040 It's specific little issues like this parental rights issue.

00:37:15.000 The media is trying to make a big deal that the PCs in Manitoba lost and that they were championing parental rights during the campaign.

00:37:22.460 Guys, Stevenson was the lowest rated premier in like in the entire country.

00:37:27.920 She wasn't even the original premier. She won a leadership race after the previous guy who was like who was the former mayor of of New York City. 0.94

00:37:37.280 He reminded me of that guy.

00:37:39.000 Giuliani?

00:37:39.740 No.

00:37:40.840 Garcia? Bill de Blasio?

00:37:42.560 Bill de Blasio.

00:37:43.200 He was like Manitoba Bill de Blasio.

00:37:45.460 You remember that cringy New York fries?

00:37:47.380 Like that weird like.

00:37:48.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:49.680 Get your vaccine.

00:37:51.120 I hate that.

00:37:52.460 That makes me viscerally angry every time I see it.

00:37:54.980 It has nothing to do with lockdowns or mandates or vaccines.

00:37:58.300 It was just so cringy.

00:37:59.600 And that's the worst thing you can commit is being cringe.

00:38:02.500 But regardless, Stevenson and the PCs in Manitoba recovered a crazy amount of their polling deficit by standing up for parental rights.

00:38:11.140 They lost because they were kind of like Doug Ford's PC party.

00:38:14.960 They weren't really discernibly conservative in any way.

00:38:17.720 So they eventually just got hammered in the election because they were viewed as lame ducks serving up lukewarm liberal policies.

00:38:24.020 So they lost a lot of votes from their conservative right of the party.

00:38:28.040 And they only had kind of the moderate wishy-washy people in the middle.

00:38:31.060 And then they brought back some of the right before the election with the parental rights stuff.

00:38:34.880 And they still lost.

00:38:36.040 That's not a statement against the parental rights movement.

00:38:37.980 Justin Trudeau is losing a crazy amount of ethnic voters.

00:38:41.020 Because it turns out ethnic voters, because they haven't lived in Canada long enough to have their kids go to, you know, university for a few generations. 0.65

00:38:48.740 They're not insane.

00:38:50.180 So they actually care about their kids.

00:38:52.060 And so that when the liberals started opening up against the parental rights movement, those people were the ones who knee-jerked the most.

00:38:57.760 And they're a participation in these rallies.

00:38:59.860 I've only noticed it grow since the liberals have been attacking them as, like, far-right pawns.

00:39:05.480 Yeah.

00:39:06.260 We should get to the super chat and then go to India.

00:39:08.440 You read this one, because I was just rambling there for too long.

00:39:11.560 And I think we've noticed during the stream I suck at reading on the fly.

00:39:15.140 Okay.

00:39:16.120 Do you guys cover CSIS?

00:39:17.280 FBI labeled Trump supporters extremists.

00:39:19.040 Made me think, what if, with CSIS against anti-Judo Canadians.

00:39:22.380 Banking out, frozen C-11, convoy, people arrested, Canadian leftism, rhymes with America.

00:39:26.600 I think there was a, you know, Pat said that he hopes of being a bit paranoid.

00:39:31.060 Well, Alyssa, I don't think we're at, like, DEFCON 1 on this here.

00:39:35.780 But we're not at DEFCON 5.

00:39:36.840 I mean, this isn't a non-zero chance.

00:39:39.220 I mean, you did see banking out get frozen during the convoy.

00:39:41.480 That was a thing.

00:39:43.380 And with the new hate speech, you know, push and all this and the corruption of these, of CSIS and the RCMP, we know there's some level of political infiltration in these bodies.

00:39:54.580 It's not out of the realm of possibility that the Canadian security apparatuses get politicized and are used as a mechanism to crush internal dissent.

00:40:06.420 And I don't think that's an unreasonable concern.

00:40:08.940 Now, I don't think we're there tomorrow.

00:40:10.660 So when Max Fawcett cuts this clip and edits this part out, where I say I don't think we're there tomorrow, but I think we're on a pathway that leads to more authoritarianism.

00:40:19.960 And this sort of permissiveness of authoritarianism, if it's the red team or the blue team, whatever team I'm on, I think that is a really damaging thing.

00:40:29.060 And you did see in America, post-2016, there were people within the intelligence agencies that decided to become heroes of the movement instead of FBI agents.

00:40:39.360 And, you know, you had, I mean, I think this patch is referring to the parental rights movement in the U.S. last year, like Asser and Armani and her people being labeled domestic terrorists for going in to cover or protest the gender ideology stuff.

00:40:55.900 And I think that in Canada, we've had different institutions affected at a different rate than the U.S.

00:41:01.760 So I think our court system in Canada has been much more gravely affected than the court system has in the U.S., whereas I think our intelligence and our police have been less directly affected.

00:41:12.660 Like, you'll find some of the best police services in the U.S. that they will just refuse to comply with state or federal laws if they're unconstitutional.

00:41:20.900 They have sheriffs and backbones.

00:41:23.020 But you also get, like, San Francisco PD, in which the officers themselves are good, but they just don't let them enforce the law at all.

00:41:30.020 You have, but, and whatnot.

00:41:31.920 But so it's more like the FBI and kind of CIA that's been heavily politicized in the U.S.

00:41:37.480 CSIS, not as much.

00:41:38.660 But in Canada, you have it so that it's just considered natural that every single judge serving on federal courts are deeply left wing.

00:41:46.420 So that they're trying to, they're trying to, like, strike down and put injunctions against Scott Moe's parental rights bill in Saskatchewan. 0.98

00:41:53.540 And, like, honestly, the notwithstanding clause is stupid. 0.56

00:41:57.620 At the same time, it's good that it's around for the functionality of being able to have Scott Moe just say, nah, we're just going to ignore the court and actually stand up for parental rights. 0.94

00:42:06.580 Because the problem is the notwithstanding clause is bad if the court is functioning properly.

00:42:12.200 The court in Canada is not functioning properly.

00:42:14.060 You can't get a criminal who stabbed people to death in the past held in jail because the onus is always on the prosecution to do hundreds of hours of work to make, to, like, a combined hundreds of hours of work in their office to be able to advocate that a repeat offender is held in custody.

00:42:31.200 That is, like, an almost never going to happen in Canada.

00:42:34.200 Someone's held in custody who is a multi, multiple time offender.

00:42:37.840 At the same time, CSIS is an organization that has to frequently leak on Justin Trudeau because he will not release the actual good work that they're doing.

00:42:46.300 So it's more so that the liberal government and the sort of political apparatus is at war with CSIS trying to do their jobs.

00:42:53.520 And then the court system in Canada tends to be worse than the U.S., where they actually have people who are, you know, constitutional originalists.

00:43:01.480 It's a little different in Canada what that would look like.

00:43:04.200 But you don't have people who are in any way you could describe as conservative judges in Canada.

00:43:09.960 Yeah, and I would agree with that.

00:43:11.720 All right, let's move on to Canada and India, where we are just absolutely killing it. 0.95

00:43:17.820 What a brilliant geopolitical war we started.

00:43:20.880 Yeah, how could we possibly lose this to a country of 1.5 billion people with a burgeoning economy when we have no leverage in the international community?

00:43:26.960 Oh, goody!

00:43:28.720 We literally stepped on every single rake we could think of.

00:43:31.600 You know, accusing them of something, flip-flopping on how good the evidence was.

00:43:37.560 Is it credible accusations, credible evidence?

00:43:40.420 We invited a Nazi to Parliament and gave him a standing ovation. 1.00

00:43:44.400 Literally, Najjar's own Gurdwara put on a memorial for him yesterday.

00:43:49.100 Again, that literally, that admitted he was the leader of the Tiger Force.

00:43:54.480 Yeah, like, listen, his own supporters, listen, the Indian government claims he's a terrorist, and the Canadian government claims that he's a religious scholar and plumber.

00:44:02.040 Now, the claim that the Indian government made was he was the leader of the Kalistan Tiger Force, which is a listed terrorist organization in India.

00:44:10.900 It's a militant faction of the Kalistani movement that's roots are in from the Babar Kalasa, which was the terrorist organization that blew up the Air India plane.

00:44:20.800 Now, it's very important to know in Canada, no consequences from the Air India bombing happened to the terrorists.

00:44:28.620 The terrorists who blew up that airplane, all of them got off scot-free.

00:44:32.360 Now, the ringleader, Tahir Parmar, sorry, I keep messing up his name.

00:44:37.580 The ringleader was Tahir Parmar.

00:44:39.220 Tahir Parmar.

00:44:40.400 He was killed in India.

00:44:42.060 So, India killed the Osama bin Laden of Canada, not even Canada. 0.93

00:44:46.380 So, we've had a very permissive attitude towards Kalistani extremism forever.

00:44:51.200 So, one of the offshoots of the group that blew up the Air India bombing created the Kalistan Tiger Force, which openly advocates for violence and violent separatism in India. 0.53

00:45:01.120 So, India, of course, labels that a terrorist organization because they're a functioning state, and if you try and balkanize that state through means of violence, that's one of the classical examples of secessionist terrorism to them.

00:45:12.260 So, that was the claim, and we were like, no, he's a plumber.

00:45:15.840 He was, you know, a human rights activist.

00:45:18.580 Yes, he's on video supporting suicide bombings, but that's just a human right.

00:45:21.920 And India was like, okay, no, he's a terrorist. 0.75

00:45:23.880 But we're seeing right now his own supporters, his own gudwara, is putting up pictures of him saying he's part of the Kalistan Tiger Force.

00:45:33.040 And you see the logo with two swords, and in the center, a big lion.

00:45:36.640 He's Kalistan. 1.00

00:45:37.620 So stupid. 1.00

00:45:38.760 Yeah, yeah, Terry Molesky pointed out that the Tiger Force's official logo has a lion in the middle because they're not zoologists exactly. 1.00

00:45:48.360 Yeah, that's the Kalistan type. 1.00

00:45:50.600 We don't even have to imagine what it would be like for Canada because we had the FLQ at one point.

00:45:57.480 We had a violent Quebec separatist organization that blew up buildings and killed politicians.

00:46:03.120 And do you think that Canada for a second would put up with another kind of...

00:46:06.200 Kudo's dad declared martial law over this.

00:46:08.420 Yeah, and not only that, there's extremely heavy evidence that the Canadian government, I'm not even going to say assassinated, just executed a FLQ terrorist when he moved to Paris and he fled from Algeria to Paris.

00:46:23.400 I don't care.

00:46:24.280 He was literally planning on blowing up more buildings and killing people. 0.99

00:46:27.320 I don't give a crap. 1.00

00:46:28.800 I think it's still bad to kill people on foreign soil. 0.99

00:46:31.160 I'm just not going to cry about it.

00:46:32.480 I think that we should still be getting people extradited.

00:46:34.760 If the Indian government did kill Najjar, he can be the leader of the Tiger Force. 0.99

00:46:38.560 I'm not going to cry about it.

00:46:39.820 At the same time, there should be consequences for carrying out extrajudicial killings on our soil.

00:46:44.800 But the Liberal government's narrative that he's a Canadian citizen, he's a plumber, he's the nicest man you've ever met, was completely busted by his own supporters.

00:46:52.800 Because they don't have the self-awareness to realize that all the things they're praising him for are insane.

00:46:57.560 Because in Canada, we've let them get away with it so much that they just think that it's not, it's completely normal to say that he's the leader of the Tiger Force that, you know, takes credit for killing people and blowing things up.

00:47:09.120 Yeah, I mean, so, I mean, even if this was a clandestine planned assassination by the Indian government, like, they're going to come out with some evidence, most likely, that this guy was actively helping coordinate violent terrorist attacks on their soil.

00:47:25.860 And then that's embarrassing on us.

00:47:26.880 Like, what we should have done is just watch him die and then pretend that it was just gang violence.

00:47:32.180 So we don't lose face, they don't lose face.

00:47:34.440 Go to them behind the scenes, say, hey, look, we caught you doing it.

00:47:37.540 You can't do this on our soil.

00:47:38.940 And even then, even then.

00:47:40.320 We're going to leverage that into a trade deal, okay?

00:47:42.740 Leverage it into a trade deal and say, okay, fine, you want to get rid of the Calisthenian Tiger Force? 0.52

00:47:47.660 We'll do something here, but you've got to give us X, you've got to give us Y.

00:47:51.700 Now, the problem is the Liberal government and the NDP are...

00:47:54.720 Here's the problem, too, with even the private talks, because this is where you and I disagreed with a little bit, because I think that Melanie Jolie and Justin Trudeau now saying that they want private talks with Prime Minister Modi in India and the Indian government, it just looks weak.

00:48:07.700 Because if the Indian government says, okay, we'll do private talks, they look weak by basically bending to the people, making blind accusations against them.

00:48:15.860 Even then, even if this whole situation started with private talks, even though I agree it should start with private talks, when we heard the story that Justin Trudeau's government told that they...

00:48:24.720 Like, mentioned the potential assassination to Modi, and then he basically didn't deny it or blew them off or whatever.

00:48:31.760 Like, what is Modi supposed to do?

00:48:34.000 Even hypothetically, if it's true that the Indian government killed Najjar, what's he supposed to say?

00:48:40.500 Oh, I guess you caught us.

00:48:41.780 I guess you're in the right for keeping a terrorist group in your country, and we're in the wrong for having killed one of them. 0.91

00:48:47.140 Like, I get it, it still would be wrong, but the thing is, we look like such putzes walking into a room saying, hey, you killed one of the terrorists that we're letting stay in our country. 0.84

00:48:55.660 Yeah.

00:48:56.180 No, like, listen, I've been hypercritical of every foreign policy decision the Canadian government has ever made.

00:49:00.640 And I celebrated the asking for private talks, because this was the smartest thing I've ever seen them do.

00:49:05.660 Now, let me give you an example.

00:49:07.080 What the Canadian government did is, in a game of chess that they were losing, we managed to take a pawn.

00:49:12.960 We took the other team's pawn, and I celebrated like we won the Super Bowl, because this is the best I've had in eight years.

00:49:18.880 So, we already look ridiculous, we're in a terrible position. 0.98

00:49:26.720 We do look weak and ridiculous. 0.98

00:49:28.120 But by looking weak and ridiculous, and coming to the table, we institute a situation where, okay, if the Indian government wants to look strong domestically, and say no, no, no, and roll over, because there's an election coming, and this has united the country behind Modi. 0.98

00:49:43.460 Like, if you think this is going to hurt Modi domestically for whacking a terrorist on foreign soil, you don't understand people, right? 0.96

00:49:49.720 If there's an anti-Canadian terrorist, and if Justin Trudeau took out a terrorist planning an attack on Toronto, somewhere like in Somalia, good for him, right? 1.00

00:49:58.420 It would improve my opinion of him. 0.99

00:50:00.620 But what we have here is the Canadian government comes in looking weak and hypocritical. 0.96

00:50:05.260 I understand the Indian's frustration. 0.97

00:50:06.820 I do.

00:50:07.160 I've been in Indian media.

00:50:08.000 This guy slams you publicly, makes accusations publicly, you know, breaks rules of international convention, does it all in public, what should be in back channels.

00:50:16.060 And then, when he gets whacked and he's losing, he comes and asks for private talks.

00:50:19.920 But I said it was a clever move.

00:50:21.680 Now, the Canadian government's going to bungle this, okay?

00:50:23.640 We bought ourselves 24, maybe 48 hours max.

00:50:27.000 But what it does is we come in a position of weakness.

00:50:30.800 So, if the Indian government wants to remain domestically strong and say, ha-ha, screw you, Canada, well, then they look bad to the international community.

00:50:37.540 And you might say, well, it doesn't matter to the international community.

00:50:40.060 You say, we're India, we're strong enough.

00:50:41.540 And you go, yeah, but it kind of still does because you have to be a member of the international community.

00:50:46.660 And I don't just mean, you know, the whites and the Europeans.

00:50:50.340 I mean South America, Africa, Asia as well.

00:50:52.920 Like, you have to be seen as a reasonable actor.

00:50:56.980 Geopolitics is a complicated game.

00:50:59.120 And winning is important.

00:51:01.280 But it's also important how you win, right?

00:51:05.480 The Saudis won with pure belligerence on the Jamal Khashoggi thing.

00:51:09.200 And it's, you know, it hasn't really hurt them economically.

00:51:12.320 But there is going to be some blowback to the way they did that.

00:51:17.280 Even though I've never been a Khashoggi guy, there's going to be blowback here.

00:51:20.900 So, India's put in a position where they have to, you know, and I think they did the right thing by kind of cooling things. 0.95

00:51:26.320 You got to reward good behavior.

00:51:28.020 This is like the tit-for-tat thing on international politics, right?

00:51:30.560 Like, Trudeau attacks you, you attack him back.

00:51:33.060 He attacks you, you attack him back, right?

00:51:35.020 And here's maybe where I'll explain where I disagree.

00:51:38.220 I have to say, taking a step back and not rewarding that with another step back, it makes you, again, look unreasonable.

00:51:44.700 Because you have to be able, when you deal with other countries, have them – you don't want the next country you deal with to be like, oh, no, India's after us. 0.99

00:51:52.160 They're going to roll us completely.

00:51:53.120 We better stand our ground completely, right?

00:51:55.620 Because, you know, I quoted Sun Tzu.

00:51:58.180 Like, it's the – I'll misquote here.

00:52:00.280 I'll paraphrase.

00:52:00.760 But it's like, always leave the enemy a golden bridge over which to retreat.

00:52:04.320 Because when – if countries you get a tiff with, you know, next year, if they go, okay, India's going to go full out no matter what we do. 0.96

00:52:13.740 We have to, like, stand our ground to the fullest to do it, right?

00:52:18.300 You want – if you want to leverage the next person into a peaceful surrender, let's say, you have to – they have to know that, okay, if I take a step back, India will reward that.

00:52:29.340 Because what India should want, and any country should want, is when you deal with a geopolitical enemy or an ally who's gone crazy, you want them to know that if you step back, you can retreat and the fight will be over, right?

00:52:43.180 And if you don't have that set, the next fight you get into is going to be harder than this.

00:52:47.540 Because you're not always going to go up against Justin Trudeau.

00:52:49.820 Do I think Neander Moti can outbox Justin Trudeau, blindfolded, half-drunk? 1.00

00:52:53.680 Yeah, of course.

00:52:55.040 Of course.

00:52:55.760 But not every country is run by Justin Trudeau.

00:52:58.140 Yeah. 0.99

00:52:58.420 Here's the minor reason why I think that this was still just stupid on behalf of Justin Trudeau. 0.92

00:53:03.640 It's good that we're trying to go towards private talks. 0.94

00:53:05.720 And I think from the engineers' perspective, you're right that they should offer the kind of – they should reward the overture from the Canadian government.

00:53:13.220 I think they still need to pants Justin Trudeau here and then mock them. 0.95

00:53:16.160 Like, oh, now they want private talks after basically calling us a bunch of, like, covert assassins and whatnot.

00:53:21.560 But I think that from Justin Trudeau and Melanie Jolie's perspective, what they should have done is made even just – like, not even the olive branch, just the olive leaf overture that there are mutual security issues that India and Canada need to talk about.

00:53:37.780 And we want to take this privately so that we can be able to discuss this in great detail and be able to solve both of our mutual issues.

00:53:47.120 That would be perfect.

00:53:47.880 It's not even something less than that, just an acknowledgment that we're taking a step back and we're going to acknowledge that India has a lot of points to make here.

00:53:55.360 The thing is that Justin Trudeau and Melanie Jolie almost did it in such a way where the Indian government was incentivized to expose they want the private talks because it looks like they're trying to climb down from those accusations.

00:54:06.580 At the same time, they're still kind of belittling India with this idea that, okay, after we slandered you, can we please go behind the scenes and have adult talk now?

00:54:15.320 It's like that's where India is going to try and – 1.00

00:54:17.540 Yeah, listen, I understand the gaslighting.

00:54:19.600 I understand the inconsistency.

00:54:20.640 But also in this game, I'm just making the 500-foot view, bird's-eye viewpoint, that the next move will be viewed by a lot of people without the context of the previous moves in public a lot.

00:54:33.000 In India, though, for the Indian government, people will have a longer-term memory for what happened.

00:54:38.140 And so they do have to play to the base that wants to see Justin Trudeau get whacked a little bit here.

00:54:43.120 Yeah, and listen, I think the Indian government could find a clever way to do this, right?

00:54:48.100 You can agree to talks so you look reasonable.

00:54:50.740 What I would do is I'd agree to talks and I would say, listen, we're going to fly a plane out there for Justin Trudeau himself.

00:54:56.300 The implication is, hey, remember the last time you heard your plane broke down?

00:54:59.680 That's like – right?

00:55:01.080 So you don't look unreasonable.

00:55:01.820 It's like, yeah, we'll give you a plane.

00:55:03.140 We'll bring you on.

00:55:04.140 Come on.

00:55:04.760 We'll fly you because, like, we know you can.

00:55:07.480 And then say, yeah, these talks, and we will have these talks, and we will bring up the Calistan issue in Canada.

00:55:13.760 Like, you have to – like, I would set a reasonable precondition.

00:55:17.160 Like, a lot of people in my chat are like, no, no talks until they fully apologize.

00:55:20.780 They say everything was wrong and do that, and they give us everything we want.

00:55:23.980 Well –

00:55:24.140 Yeah, I agree to you. 0.97

00:55:24.780 That's silly. 0.93

00:55:25.580 Right? 0.98

00:55:25.880 That's silly. 0.83

00:55:26.320 Right? 0.85

00:55:27.220 But you can ask for a – again, you have to look reasonable.

00:55:30.780 If you just say, hey, we agreed to talks.

00:55:32.960 We believe in private – you know, you could say, like, we believe in private talks.

00:55:36.660 We believe that this shouldn't be public statements.

00:55:39.660 Thank you for the Canadian government for realizing this.

00:55:41.480 Right?

00:55:41.700 Slam them again and say, we will have the private talks as long as the prime minister agrees that we will – that there will be significant conversation about the Calistani issue in Canada.

00:55:53.000 Like, get Justin Trudeau to say Calistani extremism out loud and then agree to talks.

00:55:58.940 And if you say, listen, if he can't even acknowledge that there's an issue of Calistani extremism, then there's no need to talk.

00:56:05.360 Right? 0.92

00:56:05.680 So then it's back in Justin Trudeau's court where Justin Trudeau will have to say – like, either will have to say, okay, I'm going to acquiesce to this incredibly simple, reasonable demand and acknowledge Calistani extremism or I look ridiculous. 0.76

00:56:18.680 And the play there is, right, if Justin Trudeau wants to seem like the reasonable into the international community, he has to accept – you've now reversed the situation.

00:56:27.900 Right?

00:56:28.100 And domestically, the big momentum behind Justin Trudeau domestically is the fact that the mainstream media has not shown any of the Calistani extremism, the threats and violence against Hindus, suicide bombings, and the like.

00:56:38.940 So we're ignoring the Calistan part as hard as we can.

00:56:42.020 If you make Justin Trudeau say Calistani extremism out loud, that will then penetrate the Canadian media and undermine our domestic propaganda network.

00:56:49.900 So, like, there are ways to win here and counter play.

00:56:52.500 I simply was just making the point that for the first time since 2015, Canada did something –

00:56:57.620 I do believe we agree, like, 98% on how everything's being done, like, micro little things about how –

00:57:04.260 94%.

00:57:04.800 Yeah.

00:57:05.660 I think we're 94%.

00:57:06.040 I want to do a question from Truthbrush, because I think he had an interesting one for you.

00:57:09.600 He said, is there going to be – is this going to end the NDP party, in your opinion, this whole scandal?

00:57:16.540 It will hurt them, but it can never end them. 0.98

00:57:18.340 Remember, the NDP is a third party, so they never – they're silly socialists. 0.99

00:57:21.540 So as long as there's a supply of silly socialist teenagers and silly socialist adults and people – 0.99

00:57:27.660 Like, listen, if you support the NDP, you don't understand math and reason anyway, so you're thinking, like, 0.98

00:57:32.720 would a reasonable person see all these unreasonable things happening and then stop supporting the NDP?

00:57:37.560 Maybe some would, but again, the NDPs – they're the socialist party.

00:57:42.020 So there's always going to be a lunatic socialist party, and it kind of balances out because we're first past the post system.

00:57:47.340 It bleeds off the liberals and actually gives us a better thing.

00:57:50.440 I actually do think he deeply hurt himself with this, because Jagmeet Singh trying to one-up Justin Trudeau

00:57:56.720 on his, like, kind of, like, you know, headhunting of the Indian government,

00:58:01.040 I think he made – he almost re-resurrected all the old clips of him denying that Talwinder Parmar blew up the Air India flight

00:58:08.820 and was the mastermind, and that he's obviously very, like, soft on, if not very friendly to the Calistani movement.

00:58:14.960 I think he freaked out a lot of the kind of labor-based and more moderate non-Sikh voters in the party.

00:58:21.920 Again, the vast majority of Sikhs are not Calisthenes, but Sikhs are also kind of used to bumping into Calisthenes every once in a while,

00:58:27.380 where it probably doesn't bother them as much these days just because they're like, oh, it's another one of those people.

00:58:31.440 It's like if I bump into some crazy charismatic or whatever who's, like, rolling on the floor and pretending they can speak in tongues or something like that.

00:58:38.360 So, like, it doesn't freak me out too much. But I think the reason that he hurt himself was that Justin Trudeau

00:58:43.820 already proved that he is soft on Calisthenes, so he's probably going to be getting a lot more Calisthenes to donate

00:58:50.800 and help the liberals because they're the best bet for the Calisthenes to keep their power in government.

00:58:55.440 There's a lot of Calisthenes in Justin Trudeau's caucus and even cabinet, so they're the best bet for the Calisthenes. 0.99

00:59:01.500 But then Singh just looks like the also-ran, who then went too far and probably freaked out the moderates 1.00

00:59:06.740 who didn't know what Calisthenes was in the first place.

00:59:09.600 Yeah, and I think there might be a silver line here.

00:59:12.740 It might be that if the Calisthenes go so hard in the liberals and the NDP because they're, like, such ideologue,

00:59:19.020 it could put a bulwark between them and the Conservative Party, which would be good.

00:59:23.220 Because we know that, you know, they've tried to get into all the parties, right, that's what they do.

00:59:27.880 That if the Conservative Party smartens up and kind of realizes that, hey, we'll never get the Calistani support 1.00

00:59:34.560 because the liberals and the NDP will always just be crazier than us,

00:59:37.320 maybe we can win over the Hindu community and the majority of the Sikh community by opposing the Calistani movement. 0.95

00:59:43.840 There are more votes.

00:59:44.940 Listen, there's probably more money right now in embracing Calistan. 0.99

00:59:48.160 There's probably more money in it.

00:59:49.460 Yeah, and it's not because the Sikh community will give you—and to be clear,

00:59:52.960 it's not because the Sikh community will give you money if you're pro-Calistan.

00:59:56.120 It's because 1% of Sikhs who are Calistanis will give you maxed-out donations. 1.00

01:00:02.680 It's because they'll give you a lot, not because the Sikh community will give you money.

01:00:05.700 If anything, supporting Califan will make most of the Sikh community not want to give you a dime.

01:00:10.900 But, yeah, you can fundraise off of them quite effectively because they have a network for doing so.

01:00:15.940 And I just want to go to Joe Mills here because it was the one right after everyone.

01:00:19.460 He says, why do you think—why do liberal MPs do nothing to stop Justin Drew?

01:00:23.920 Joe, this is actually interesting because a liberal MP just the other day voted alongside the Conservatives.

01:00:30.280 Polyev's bill to get rid of the carbon tax.

01:00:32.360 Obviously, it's a show vote.

01:00:33.480 They know it's not going to go through.

01:00:34.920 But it's a show vote to demonstrate, like to basically show the liberals are going to vote against it.

01:00:39.440 A liberal MP who's in a riding that's safe to win, or I think it's kind of one of those—not safe to win,

01:00:44.540 but it's one of those ones—he could still win as a liberal.

01:00:46.660 The fact that he's signaling he's not in favor of the carbon tax means that this guy knows

01:00:51.040 that either he is trying to find a reason to cross the floor, or if he runs for re-election—I forget who the MP is.

01:00:57.380 It doesn't really matter.

01:00:58.400 But that backbender MP, I guarantee he's trying to vote for stuff like that so that at the doors, 1.00

01:01:03.820 when people say, well, I'm opposed to carbon tax, he could say, I'm part of the liberal party,

01:01:07.220 but I literally voted for—to repeal the carbon tax.

01:01:10.500 That's the big cracks in Justin Trudeau's base.

01:01:13.220 Even if it's just one MP, the fact that one MP had the courage to oppose him on that vote

01:01:18.360 meant that his influence is very much waning.

01:01:21.520 People don't know this.

01:01:22.460 There are literally still pro-life liberals in the party.

01:01:25.560 Most of them are Chrétien-era liberals, and they're just biding their time for Trudeau to leave.

01:01:30.220 I don't think Trudeau's going to get replaced by Mark Carney or whatever,

01:01:33.220 who Max Fawcett also thinks is an incredibly intelligent replacement for Justin Trudeau.

01:01:37.280 I don't know.

01:01:37.720 I just have to—I always have to name-check him.

01:01:39.140 You love Max Fawcett.

01:01:40.300 You were so—I was—you were so happy when Max Fawcett's done coming after me.

01:01:44.440 That was—

01:01:44.840 That was hilarious.

01:01:45.900 The guy knows two—the guy has two puzzle pieces for every puzzle and thinks he can solve it without the rest.

01:01:52.060 Yeah, that's a good way of him.

01:01:53.380 But yeah, that was a more fun exchange.

01:01:55.200 I'm like, I saw Max Fawcett come after me, and like, sometimes I don't engage,

01:01:58.040 but he's like, all right, he's a big Canadian journalist, and I know him and Wyatt have gotten into it.

01:02:01.720 So I'm like, I'm just going to hurt this guy's feelings. 1.00

01:02:03.860 Like, I'm just going to—like, this guy's being an idiot. 1.00

01:02:05.320 I'm just going to straight-up hurt his feelings now. 1.00

01:02:06.640 He's coming after me.

01:02:07.300 Like, it's—it's go time. 0.98

01:02:09.420 Like, I'm going to make fun of all the dumb things he's saying, and like— 0.96

01:02:12.400 I thought it was one of my better Twitter exchanges. 0.96

01:02:14.260 Just—

01:02:15.620 Are you trying to pull it up?

01:02:17.020 You could tell he would bother them, because he's usually used to using his, like,

01:02:20.780 army of online progressives to, like, ratio people to prove he's correct,

01:02:24.200 and you in one tweet, like, doubled him up.

01:02:26.920 Yeah, and then—yeah, it's a thing.

01:02:29.880 Will Chara be forced to crack down the Calistain issue?

01:02:31.740 He will be pressured by India into trying, into force—but there will be pressure internally

01:02:38.560 to support Calistan, and there'll be pressure externally to oppose Calistan.

01:02:43.320 What will he decide to do?

01:02:45.380 I don't know.

01:02:47.760 You know, it's how much—you know, how much power?

01:02:50.860 How much is he willing to give to it?

01:02:52.080 How much is he willing to give up?

01:02:53.180 Will there be a cosmetic, like, hey, he'll arrest some Calistani gang members for some of this stuff, 1.00

01:02:57.720 and then, like, use that as appeasement?

01:03:00.120 Maybe.

01:03:00.880 I don't think he'll do that.

01:03:01.940 I think what he'll do is that he'll basically come out against—like the Canadian government

01:03:06.720 has done in the past—they'll never name Calistan, and they'll just say,

01:03:09.080 we are opposed to violent Punjabi separatist movements, and that's it.

01:03:14.700 He'll just say that, and then he will say it in such a way where he almost endorses

01:03:20.760 the Calistan referendum at the same time as—this is a very peaceful way of showing your,

01:03:25.500 showing your, like, opinions about a key issue or whatever.

01:03:30.020 And so he'll support the thing that the crazy people are promoting while saying basically

01:03:34.980 those same crazy people are bad, but he'll never say who they are. 0.91

01:03:38.620 He'll just basically say violent extremists are bad. 0.94

01:03:41.880 Also, this referendum being put on by violent extremists is very good.

01:03:45.520 Yeah, I mean, that's—I think that's the—the sure thing.

01:03:50.380 I think we've done an hour.

01:03:52.480 It's been good.

01:03:53.200 I have to call back my organizing things and organize this protest.

01:03:59.280 So—

01:03:59.500 Yeah, everyone is on October 14th.

01:04:02.540 What's the time of day?

01:04:05.100 4 p.m., October 14th, Blurin's Bedine outside Christy Freeland's office,

01:04:09.600 protesting against all the censorship laws.

01:04:11.520 I'll be there.

01:04:12.180 Wyatt will be there.

01:04:13.380 Many people are going to be there.

01:04:14.980 A flyer should drop tomorrow.

01:04:16.060 I'm going to yell at some Iranians who promised to make me a flyer for yesterday, 1.00

01:04:20.500 but the artist—it's like, well, I can't—words!

01:04:23.280 The flyer needs words.

01:04:24.060 Put the words on.

01:04:24.720 I freaking told you.

01:04:25.600 I don't care about the pictures. 0.74

01:04:26.500 I need words.

01:04:27.560 It's about—

01:04:28.180 I'm going to be shameless here and say I'm just going to plug my gifts and go legal fund,

01:04:33.000 which is also going to be a travel fund in the chat.

01:04:35.380 If anyone can donate even five bucks or something like that,

01:04:38.060 it helps me because I had to book a really last-minute flight on Air Canada.

01:04:41.400 It wasn't Flair Airlines, which would have been, like, $300 both ways.

01:04:44.720 It's like $600 for me.

01:04:46.800 So if anyone can help me out, that really helps both my legal case and getting to Toronto

01:04:50.760 so we can make content, film things competently and everything like that.

01:04:54.720 It'll be fantastic.

01:04:55.820 We'll try and do as much content while I'm there for a few days.

01:04:58.760 And then when I come home, of course, we'll be doing the regular podcasts and videos and articles and whatnot.

01:05:04.120 Hopefully, Bill C-18 and Bill C-11 got rid of at some point so we can actually act like real journalists

01:05:10.360 and not people slowly trying to just skitter around, not getting squashed by the government.

01:05:15.620 But other than that, if you need to say anything else, Daniel, it's the time to say it.

01:05:20.260 But we'll probably be done here in a second.

01:05:22.160 Well, thanks so much for coming out.

01:05:23.720 Thanks for joining us.

01:05:24.460 We're going to try and do more lives.

01:05:25.380 We have a lot of podcast guests lined up.

01:05:28.100 We got a lot of good people.

01:05:31.300 Yeah, it's fine.

01:05:32.000 Everyone should go watch the Kareem episode.

01:05:33.360 That one was fantastic.

01:05:34.340 The Kareem episode, if you're interested in Calistan, we have a big Calistan episode.

01:05:38.520 If you're interested in foreign policy, we have a Spencer Fernando episode on that.

01:05:42.000 So Kareem, we talked about the anti-hate network and sort of the laundering of the censorship type stuff.

01:05:47.120 That was really interesting to talk across the aisle.

01:05:48.800 Yeah, the Calistan issue with Baraj Doyle.

01:05:51.380 I was impressed with that interview we did with Spencer Fernando because that one was posted just at the right time to get views because nobody cares about foreign policy.

01:06:00.060 It's almost impossible.

01:06:00.920 Honestly, I'm impressed with our audience because they have a fairly high ability to hear about foreign policy for a long time without getting bored.

01:06:08.180 Most people cannot.

01:06:09.140 And that thing is our most popular video right now with Spencer.

01:06:12.100 I'm sure it's like 29,000 views of people actually hearing us talk about foreign policy in a way where we don't just start screaming about money laundering in Ukraine or something like that.

01:06:22.380 Yeah.

01:06:23.220 Anyways, that could be it for us today.

01:06:24.940 We'll see you guys next time probably same bat time next week on Thursday.

01:06:29.460 If not, we'll be on some other day.

01:06:31.060 We'll always give you at least a few hours notice.

01:06:33.440 But other than that, have a great day, everyone.

The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - October 06, 2023

Live： Trudeau's Tries To Censor Podcasts

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