The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - July 18, 2025


Mark Carney admits he's not serious about a pipeline!

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It's clear that Prime Minister Mark Carney is not serious about getting a pipeline built as part of Bill C-5, and that he's not going to get anything done at all. In fact, he said at an Indigenous Peoples Convention, "I'm meeting with First Nations leaders across the country, hearing from leaders on how we can get major projects built in partnership. This is an opportunity to create more prosperity for generations. Let's get to work."

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. It's very clear at this point that Liberal Prime Minister Mark Carney is not serious about getting a pipeline built as a part of his major projects legislation.
00:00:13.420 Bill C-5, which is a bill that actually the Conservatives end up supporting the Liberals on, not because they think Bill C-5 is good, but if Mark Carney is going to say he's going to get stuff done with Bill C-5,
00:00:24.340 the Conservatives vote for it and say, okay, now get stuff done. And it didn't last so long, the impression that he was actually going to get anything substantial done on the energy front.
00:00:35.420 Yeah, maybe he's going to approve a bunch of new green, renewable sorts of projects as a part of an energy corridor, but a pipeline is not in the cards,
00:00:45.240 which was effectively admitted by Mark Carney at an Indigenous Peoples Convention where he said that he is not going to amend the consultation process.
00:00:55.780 Here is what Mark Carney posted after this event. He said,
00:00:59.320 Today I'm meeting with First Nations from across the country, hearing from leaders on how we can get major projects built in partnership.
00:01:07.480 This is an opportunity to create more prosperity for generations. Let's get to work.
00:01:12.420 And he's using the words like, get major projects built in partnership, which effectively means we're not going to get anything done.
00:01:22.400 This is the same sort of language you would have heard Prime Minister Justin Trudeau saying,
00:01:27.800 I'm of course in favor of major projects. I want to get a pipeline built, but the Indigenous groups don't want it to be built.
00:01:35.840 The band councillors are saying, no, the eco-activists want another environmental review.
00:01:40.700 What you do as a Liberal Prime Minister is you constantly say yes, but then you say, but this group said no, so we can't do it.
00:01:47.940 I'm so sorry. I want to do it, but they said no.
00:01:52.020 Before I get into some of the other details about this, including the tape of him speaking at the convention,
00:01:57.440 I just want to remind you guys, if you like the channel, make sure to leave a like on this video.
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00:02:12.040 And then also leave a comment on what you think about the situation.
00:02:15.280 It really helps the channel out, and I do like to scroll through and see what people are saying.
00:02:19.320 But I do like this take from J.J. McCullough that I'm going to show right before I get to the actual tape
00:02:24.800 of what Mark Carney said at this conference.
00:02:28.380 J.J. said,
00:02:29.520 Prime Minister Carney's big summit with the First Nations leaders was a disaster,
00:02:34.480 as all First Nations leaders' summits with the Prime Ministers generally are.
00:02:38.620 As usual, the meeting is being characterized as woefully insufficient,
00:02:42.920 and at best, just the start for a long, long process.
00:02:47.400 And he has these quotes down here.
00:02:48.900 Quote,
00:02:49.500 I didn't have much faith in the process to begin with, and I'm leaving very concerned.
00:02:54.320 Angela Levasseur, chief of this pre-nation in Manitoba,
00:02:59.220 wasn't ready to dismiss the meeting as a failure, nor praise it as a success, calling it a start.
00:03:04.420 Quote,
00:03:05.020 I'm not satisfied because, once again, there's a lot of unfinished business that First Nations have with Canada,
00:03:10.960 she said in response to the Prime Minister's speech.
00:03:13.560 Now, I'm going to cut to the Prime Minister's speech in just a second,
00:03:16.240 but this is the problem with the government constantly bending over backwards,
00:03:21.540 not to satisfy First Nations people, to satisfy First Nations band councils, 0.97
00:03:26.340 which if you think they actually speak on behalf of First Nations individuals, you are insane.
00:03:32.440 First Nations people don't really have rights in this country as individuals. 1.00
00:03:36.360 They have collective rights, which means that band councils,
00:03:39.320 because they are the collective speakers on behalf of Indigenous people, can block pipelines.
00:03:44.400 They can even prevent other Indigenous people from starting logging companies on their land. 0.93
00:03:49.400 When I say their land in quotes, I'm meaning that specifically because oftentimes this is crowned land
00:03:54.620 that they do not have control over, other than if the government is unreasonably recognizing the, like,
00:04:02.200 UNDRIP or DRIPA, where it basically expands Indigenous land to anything that that Indigenous group 0.68
00:04:08.080 says that they've ever occupied in their entire history.
00:04:11.060 And so they get say over projects going through, or at least the government is going to allow the consultation,
00:04:18.700 yes or no, to actually say whether that project is going to go forward,
00:04:22.400 even though they could easily just ignore them.
00:04:24.500 But actual Indigenous people do not have individual rights. 1.00
00:04:27.340 They don't have property rights on Indigenous land. 1.00
00:04:29.360 It's insane.
00:04:29.940 Unless they just leave, and they just go and live like any other Canadian, 1.00
00:04:33.800 they do not have rights on Indigenous reserve land.
00:04:36.920 There are collective rights that the band councils have, and that is it.
00:04:40.700 And if you want to know more about this, you guys should check out my interview I did with Francis Widdowson a few days ago.
00:04:46.860 He's probably one of my top videos from just a few days ago.
00:04:50.060 So if you want to check that hour-long interview about how bad DRIPA is, UNDRIP, the Graves hoax, whatnot,
00:04:56.080 and how this is all just a way of band councils fleecing taxpayers at the expense of their own people.
00:05:01.840 But now let's get into this tape with Mark Carney.
00:05:05.900 Thank you for Mr. Sunshine Baby clipping this.
00:05:09.380 This is a bombshell clip to come out of this meeting.
00:05:12.880 Check this out.
00:05:14.300 And I think that's the first point I really want to emphasize,
00:05:16.460 is that this act is only a way of starting a conversation and starting a process.
00:05:23.600 He is referring to Bill C-5 here, by the way.
00:05:26.040 So the bill that may as well be called the Get Stuff Done Bill,
00:05:29.920 which the Conservatives rightfully call the Liberals, bluff on,
00:05:33.020 hey, you have the Get Stuff Done Bill now, go get stuff done.
00:05:36.300 And now he's saying, no, no, no, no, the bill's not the end of the conversation.
00:05:39.960 It's not that I'm just going to hammer through a bunch of projects the country needs.
00:05:43.980 No, no, no, don't worry.
00:05:44.900 It is the start of a process.
00:05:46.480 It's the start of a conversation.
00:05:48.540 And we define that process going forward.
00:05:51.680 But what it could do is enable Canada to build big things that will connect
00:05:58.440 and transform our national economy.
00:06:02.120 Create great careers, not just jobs, but careers for the people that we serve
00:06:07.480 and provide the resources for health, for education and social services
00:06:13.700 that our people deserve.
00:06:15.400 It's about giving ourselves more than any foreign government can ever take away.
00:06:21.980 It's about controlling our economic destiny together.
00:06:28.260 And while he's giving all these platitudes about how we need this
00:06:33.040 because we can build big things and it can get everyone careers,
00:06:37.100 he and his government have confirmed that they're not going to hammer through a pipeline
00:06:41.900 without going through the indigenous consultation process, which means it's years away,
00:06:46.760 which means approval on anything is going to be years.
00:06:50.280 And I even suspect Manitoba Premier Wab Kanu, who has said he's open to a pipeline
00:06:55.460 from Alberta to the Hudson's Bay, is probably fibbing as well.
00:06:59.640 All these people, again, they can say yes all day long,
00:07:02.420 but then they will pass it off to indigenous groups as the group that's going to say no
00:07:06.120 or the eco-activists are going to say no
00:07:07.760 or Premier David Eby or Francois Legault in Quebec and British Columbia.
00:07:13.020 They are the ones who said no, so the project can't go forward
00:07:15.760 or we need another consultation round
00:07:18.380 or we need to do another environmental assessment.
00:07:22.820 That, again, if Carney was serious about the pipeline,
00:07:26.800 he would show up and he would make that part of his speech.
00:07:30.740 We need a pipeline and this is going to get done in the next couple of years
00:07:35.060 and you guys can come along for the ride and consult on it
00:07:38.400 and we can hear you out, but we need this to get done.
00:07:42.220 He didn't talk about that.
00:07:43.420 He undermined his own piece of legislation,
00:07:46.060 again, what I colloquially call the Get Stuff Done Act.
00:07:49.300 He's saying, well, the Get Stuff Done Act is not actually going to get stuff done.
00:07:53.200 It's the start of the long conversation.
00:07:56.000 It's the start of the process, which, again, means nothing changed.
00:08:00.120 This is what the Conservatives were making a point about.
00:08:02.200 I know a lot of creators are saying, well, the Conservatives voted for Bill C-5.
00:08:06.400 Why are they betraying Canadians by backing the Liberal government?
00:08:10.060 They're not backing them.
00:08:11.440 The Liberals passed a piece of legislation that doesn't actually affect anything
00:08:14.560 because Cabinet always had the power to suspend regulations for specific projects.
00:08:20.440 It's their executive role to basically implement rules and regulations.
00:08:26.060 So, in theory, they can just say, for this project,
00:08:28.860 we're just going to say that you can fast track the environmental assessment.
00:08:31.840 We're going to truncate the thing.
00:08:33.200 Usually, it takes six months.
00:08:34.320 We're going to try and get it done in two.
00:08:36.220 That's something that the Cabinet could always do.
00:08:38.540 So, Conservatives lent them the votes in order to get C-5 done.
00:08:44.000 And now the Liberals own every single failure of C-5.
00:08:48.220 If they don't get stuff done, that's their fault because they have the power to do it.
00:08:52.880 They always did have the power to do it, but they were acting like,
00:08:55.800 unless we have C-5, we can't do this.
00:08:57.820 And the NDP weren't going to vote for it, and the Bloc Québécois were not going to vote for it.
00:09:02.240 And so, if the Conservatives didn't vote for it, what the Liberals could do was say,
00:09:05.960 well, we wanted to get stuff done with our vaunted Get Stuff Done Act,
00:09:10.800 but the Conservatives, the NDP, and the Bloc don't want us to get stuff done,
00:09:14.780 and they voted against it.
00:09:15.660 So, now we have to just sit down in the dirt and, you know, wait for death
00:09:20.860 because everyone betrayed us, and they won't let us, you know, fast-track projects.
00:09:26.180 I thought the Conservatives wanted a pipeline, and we had this bill that would get a pipeline done,
00:09:30.580 and then they voted against it.
00:09:31.960 But now, they actually, the ball's in their court to now get the pipeline through,
00:09:36.160 and he is not marketing at all.
00:09:38.100 Again, he is tiptoeing around Indigenous groups, 0.98
00:09:40.840 talking about how we could partner up on major projects,
00:09:43.480 but don't worry, I'm not going to force you on anything.
00:09:46.440 So, nothing's going to happen at all.
00:09:49.220 And J.J. McCullough is absolutely right to be highlighting the fact that
00:09:52.680 even with all of Mark Carney's groveling,
00:09:55.840 the band council leaders, the chiefs, are never going to be satisfied.
00:09:59.860 And the thing is, based on what I've seen from people like David Eby,
00:10:03.480 and Justin Trudeau, and Mark Carney, and so many other progressive leaders around Canada,
00:10:08.200 when push comes to shove, they really do cower in front of the Aboriginal lobby. 0.69
00:10:13.480 That lobby really makes them freaked out of losing their progressive base.
00:10:18.400 If they cross them, they are going to look insensitive or racist or something like that.
00:10:23.340 And so, the consultations will continue, and no pipeline will get built.
00:10:27.500 A pipeline takes a long time to get built anyways.
00:10:29.820 Even if you approved it today, we're not going to have it for a couple years
00:10:33.340 to maybe three or four years if we start disconstruction right now.
00:10:37.240 It takes a while.
00:10:38.000 And now, with consultations added on top of it,
00:10:41.820 I don't even think we would see Carney approve or even break ground on a pipeline
00:10:47.160 until a second term at this point.
00:10:49.480 We'd be waiting until 2032, until there's a pipeline around, like a new pipeline.
00:10:55.900 And anyways, that should be it for this video, guys.
00:10:58.820 Because, yeah, nothing changes in Canada.
00:11:02.640 As you can see, you know, we're still never going to actually get anything done
00:11:06.220 because that would be very un-Canadian of us.
00:11:09.460 Consultations and listening to radical progressive activists,
00:11:13.040 that's what Canada's all about.
00:11:14.860 Anyways, make sure to like the video, subscribe to the channel, leave a comment,
00:11:18.020 do all that great stuff, and I will see you guys all later.
00:11:20.860 Thank you.