00:03:09.700about how people are feeling inside Conservative caucus.
00:03:13.580Well, more importantly, I think a lot of these people
00:03:15.480our colleagues in the House are going to have to answer to the people that elected them.
00:03:20.300There's a particular compact that you get, and I'm only a new member of Parliament.
00:03:24.300I've been around for two and a half years.
00:03:25.800But I've looked at a lot of our constituents right in the eyes
00:03:28.640and made a commitment to get the job done for them on their issues.
00:03:32.500So they're going to have to go back home and have an accountability with their people
00:03:36.820and explain to them why they did what they did and betrayed that confidence.
00:03:40.060It doesn't serve our democracy well to have this type of bait and switch happening
00:03:44.760and ultimately uh these caucus members that have decided to cross are going to be held accountable
00:03:49.880by their own people i know good point from shuv immediately and this is something the media never
00:03:55.480actually asks well miss glad you well mr jenneru ma dandramage you ran on this you said this in the
00:04:03.800house what changed from you running on this to crossing the floor what changed miss glad you
00:04:09.720from you skewering the government or not caring about Canadians' charter rights to joining them
00:04:15.680with no strings attached? Because that is kind of a big question that would make people have a lot
00:04:21.540more dyspepsia about what's happening if it was asked by the media. But the media is not actually
00:04:26.380interested, of course, in digging down and kind of learning more about what motivates these
00:04:31.840floor crossers. Because you know why the dirty secret is they know nothing really motivates them.
00:04:36.720They're leaving for extremely petty reasons. Glad you did because she wants attention. I've always
00:04:41.640heard and I've heard that she's always been an attention seeker. Michael Ma believes in nothing.
00:04:45.860Matt Jenner is an old Alison Redford progressive conservative MLA from Alberta. He became an MP
00:04:51.580and the PCs were always very liberal. So he basically just lied about being conservative
00:04:56.660for a while until he found an excuse to cross the floor when he happens to also be living in
00:05:01.280Victoria at the same time and probably running wanting a safer seat. Don Tremont got mad about
00:05:06.320not being not being able to be the deputy speaker and get another fifteen thousand dollars a year
00:05:10.560like any one of these people could come out and tell us what's so bad about polyev
00:05:15.240and they haven't they have never said a word about it that i mean that's totally fair but but surely
00:05:21.000there is also a message for the conservative party and and your leader in this as well because four
00:05:26.360is a it's a big number in a short period of time i worry about but again this is the thing that the
00:05:31.860insinuation that people like rosemary keep trying to throw past uh the conservative party really
00:05:37.420it's like the media is not there to actually call balls and strikes they have become a pitcher in
00:05:43.160and of themselves in this game they are trying to throw as many balls across the plate as possible
00:05:48.820hoping that the conservatives will not make contact with it and will just let it go by
00:05:54.060the thing is that what are you talking about what does this say about the conservative party you have
00:05:59.640to provide evidence of what this might say. And can you, you know, challenge that? Because so far
00:06:04.840we have zero evidence, any of these people left for principled reason, but the media keeps
00:06:08.920insinuating there must be some deep corruption or deep unprincipled reason why these people would
00:06:14.720leave and must say that Polyev's a really mean, nasty man. It's so tiring. Let's get back to
00:06:21.040Shuv there, here though, answering that question. And your leader in this as well, because four is
00:06:26.180a big number in a short period of time. I worry about the message that this delivers to the
00:06:30.320Canadian public at large. Here's a country that has profoundly deep questions about trust in
00:06:35.640their institutions, trust in their democracy. And our democracy resulted in a narrowly contested
00:06:40.640election in which they wanted a minority liberal parliament constrained by the constructive ideas
00:06:46.200of a conservative opposition, an energetic conservative opposition. It was a very
00:06:49.280contested election. That's what our democracy reflected, and that's what's being undermined
00:06:54.060today. And I worry about the lack of trust that this is going to introduce more widely in the
00:06:58.540public, the lack of faith in delivering on the promises that parties have made, and especially
00:07:05.100for the priorities that we delivered during the campaign. Every major issue that Conservatives
00:07:09.840ran on became a consensus in this country. And this government has had the support of
00:07:14.900Conservatives to move major decisions on hard issues. But you're kind of making the other
00:07:19.120point here and that is if the liberals are uh borrowing to to be generous some of the ideas
00:07:24.960from the they're inspired they're inspired if if the conservative caucus has been supporting
00:07:30.080some of the legislation because it moves you believe the country in the right direction
00:07:33.680now we're getting to a point where it's very difficult to differentiate the parties
00:07:37.680and and i wonder if that no the thing there's this misnomer that because the conservatives
00:07:42.880voted for a couple things like bill c5 to let it pass basically saying okay you guys are saying
00:07:47.440you're going to get major projects built and you need us to vote for bill c5 to do it well in theory
00:07:53.040if you pass it and it doesn't work it's not like it's going to do anything particularly bad it's
00:07:56.960just not going to do anything so the conservatives voted for that and they voted for a couple other
00:08:01.600things that didn't really matter so like she's now trying to basically construct in real time
00:08:09.120social license to just screw over your own voters and shu was correct in his response of saying that
00:08:15.600Well, no, you can't just, like, this is actually kind of damaging to Canadian democracy that when people did not vote for a Liberal majority, that they're somehow still getting one anyways.
00:08:26.560And there's a very big difference between the Liberals on election night get 171 seats.
00:08:32.740They're only one seat away from a majority, and there was a couple of seats that were only separating the winner and loser between 40 votes.
00:08:39.820And maybe after two years, Liberals have been doing really well, and they're very popular.
00:08:44.660and somebody who was in one of those really tightly contested ridings has a lot of their
00:08:50.660constituents when they do local polls and when they ask people what you want me to do they say
00:08:55.260you know what we want you to join the liberal government they've been getting a lot of stuff
00:08:58.680done that's been quite good uh i don't think that you would disagree with it so why you cross the
00:09:03.380floor it helps speed up the process but that's not what's going on they've been failing on
00:09:08.260everything they were five six seats short of a majority and they're just going to get it because
00:09:13.620I guess they just get to have a majority for I don't know why they just get to do it like that's
00:09:19.440the problem five seats being up short on election night is or like four or whatever that's a bigger
00:09:26.480difference than just one because naturally you're not going to win all the seats usually governments
00:09:31.920have majorities of like 20 seats 15 seats sometimes big majorities are like 30 seats or so
00:09:38.32040 is like really unheard of in Canadian politics unless some party was just so unpopular
00:09:43.260that they were able to blow them all out but like when you're losing five when you're missing four
00:09:49.140seats that's significant that's not just one that is four but getting back to rosemary barton trying
00:09:54.980to come up with excuses for why this is no big deal that's part of the problem that some people
00:09:59.320actually see the liberal party doing the things conservatives have been talking about well let's
00:10:03.920which things like other than stealing getting rid of the carbon tax from pier polio what thing did
00:10:10.000they do? Dumped a bunch of subsidies on some industries because they can't get a trade deal
00:10:14.720done? That's the real big ticket item that Carney promised. And it's been over a year since he's
00:10:19.640been prime minister. And there has been zero movement on that promise. No trade deal with
00:10:24.780the United States. In fact, he's signing trade deals with China. And in his speech at the
00:10:30.380liberal convention saying that we're going to start moving away from military procurement
00:10:34.160through the United States. That's a really smart thing to do when you're trying to get a trade
00:10:38.440deal signed with them, arbitrarily stop doing any military procurement with them. Not that
00:10:43.520they're going to do not any, but in terms of just trying to reduce the amount of military
00:10:49.300procurement that we do through the US. It has nothing to do with quality, has nothing to do
00:10:53.200with cost. We're just going to stop trading with them so much for military goods. Like, wow,
00:10:58.880that's going to go over really well when we enter the room and we start asking to get back to zero
00:11:03.960tariffs again and we've been only trying to basically distance ourself as much as possible
00:11:08.760for more than 8 million voters that conservatives now represent we have not seen a single result
00:11:14.360on the decisions that need to be taken not on major infrastructure projects not on crime not
00:11:21.000on immigration not on uh stemming some of it has started some of them immigration is the one that
00:11:26.380you could argue the most that the liberals have done uh taken action on uh they have but that was
00:11:32.100even pre-election that Carney started heavily restricting the amount of new permanent,
00:11:36.480actually not new permanent residents. They've only reduced that a bit, which is
00:11:39.820like, it's still way too high. We should be reducing it by like to a quarter of what it is
00:11:45.300today, if not more. We need net negative migration for probably several years where
00:11:49.420more people are leaving the country than coming into the country. But all those other issues that
00:11:53.880Shuv mentioned, like, yeah, there's been zero progress. But Rosemary Barton, right before he
00:11:59.980said that again tried to throw a pitch across the plate implying that they've been getting great0.98
00:12:04.440stuff done evidence anything what they've given us a tiny tiny core a half a percent tax cut under
00:12:11.520fifty thousand dollars before raising taxes elsewhere like what is she on about that stuff
00:12:16.780he's had a year to make massive decisions to so-called build canada strong but he hasn't
00:12:21.600built anything and so the decision point that canadians i think are starting to realize is that
00:12:25.740there's a world of illusions that carny liberals are presenting and a relentless pursuit of
00:12:31.100actually accomplishing results that Pierre Polyev is advancing. And that's the test. I mean,
00:12:35.780the prime minister himself had said measure himself by the price of groceries. Well,
00:12:38.880we have a country now where half our people live paycheck to paycheck. Every report about food bank
00:12:44.680usage smashes the last record. It's a dystopian landscape out there. And the people of this
00:12:49.940country deserve a government that's working for them. Okay. But are you telling me there's no
00:12:54.060conversation inside conservative caucus yeah yeah let's just skip by that great point shu just made
00:13:00.000i hope shavloy goes on cbc ctv global far more i think he's a great surrogate on behalf of the
00:13:07.300party great mps the mp from calgary heritage but rosemary just kind of just kind of like you know
00:13:12.860moving left and right and wiggling her way out of that topic the fact that the liberals haven't
00:13:17.940actually accomplished anything like she kept trying to imply now let's get back to conservative
00:13:22.440caucus isn't uh isn't peer poly of secretly adolf hitler would you agree with that shoof
00:13:28.280why are you leaving me hanging what do you mean no about why this is happening and what you can
00:13:34.520do to stop more people from leaving listen our caucus is united it's focused um we reflect the
00:13:40.280well you probably thought that three days ago and then someone else our caucus unity has been strong
00:13:44.120and when you see the teamwork that we generally have it's actually quite effective across i do
00:13:47.800know what he means by that where it's like random one-off people leaving doesn't mean that there's
00:13:52.040disunity. If the person, like Gladju especially, doesn't even make sense leaving, based on what
00:13:58.080she at least pretended to be, she was a super conservative MP, and then she leaves. And I've
00:14:03.940heard that there was basically no indication that she was dissatisfied with Polyev, other than
00:14:08.800people at parties would hear that she doesn't get enough speaking time, and that Polyev must think
00:14:12.820I'm too right-wing and doesn't want me to talk. That still doesn't demonstrate disunity inside
00:14:18.240caucus. And I could see there being some issues in caucus. I think that sometimes this happens
00:14:23.880in every party. Certain people are promoted too much and certain people are not allowed to speak
00:14:27.900and that can cause some grumbling. But even the people that I know oftentimes don't get as much
00:14:33.280time in the House of Commons to ask questions or do other stuff. I know some of those people
00:14:37.260personally, they're not unhappy. Maybe they want more time, but this isn't like a crisis where
00:14:41.700they're going to cross the floor. But again, we keep just basically every time someone crosses
00:14:47.140the floor, the Liberals get to say, oh my goodness, it's all falling apart at the seams.
00:14:51.340There's a lot more people who would logically make sense to leave who have not left, because
00:14:56.380they're not going to. Michael Ma has been exposed as a CCP puppet. Chris D'Entremont is a butthurt
00:15:02.560guy who wanted to be the deputy speaker and didn't get it. Matt Jenneru was going to retire,
00:15:07.860lives in Victoria, obviously can't run for re-election as a conservative there, and so
00:15:12.360just so happened to cross the floor to the party who could win easier in victoria every single one
00:15:17.880of these people has a very clear explanation for why they left except glad you and that probably
00:15:22.840just points to her being a detention seeker like people in the background have said uh the country
00:15:28.120we have people who have who now represent from windsor to newfoundland uh districts that
00:15:32.520historically have not been conservative for decades uh we represent a voice of people in
00:15:37.240this country who have put their hope on us to deliver the job of advocating on their issues
00:15:41.960in every single day and in that we have we're completely focused the frustrations that we feel
00:15:46.120are the frustrations of our people who wonder why our democracy is being diminished this way well
00:15:50.840i mean for sure it feels it's being diminished for perhaps the people in the riding or for you
00:15:56.200oh yeah let's screw them screw them oh yeah i must feel bad if you're one of those people
00:16:00.760but if you're rosemary barton sitting in this very nice air-conditioned0.97
00:16:04.200studio it's fine it's fine from my perspective i don't live there so why should i care like she's
00:16:10.440is one of the worst interviewers I've ever seen. You know, maybe does the technical elements of
00:16:16.020the job right, but terrible in being able to hide the game that she is playing. That is the one0.97
00:16:21.480thing I'll give to Rosemary Barton. If anything, she's actually kind of honest because she's so
00:16:26.280bad at hiding her bias that she basically just tells us what she believes. She is a liberal.
00:16:31.280She supports the liberal party. Like that was an egregious thing to have just said right there.
00:16:35.100We feel the frustrations of our people who wonder why our democracy is being diminished this way.
00:16:39.640Well, I mean, for sure, it feels it's being diminished for perhaps the people in the riding or for you.
00:16:45.840Guys, I'm sorry that you feel that your democracy is being diminished.
00:16:50.920But Mark Carney is the leader we need right now.
00:17:01.200Again, it's so these people are just frustrating.
00:17:04.500They are such elitists that they never actually even consider that maybe when people voted for an MP, with 53% of the local vote, that they maybe wanted that person to show up and do the job they were elected for.
00:17:20.100Here's even, let's come up with a fringe hypothetical.
00:17:23.860You got elected as a, let's just say, NDP.
00:17:27.980And partway through your term, you've just personally had some big political awakening and you're a conservative.
00:17:32.900now even if you're honest with people and say my views have changed i think that in that situation
00:17:39.780because it's not like you ran on something and then your own party kind of left you in terms of
00:17:44.760like let's say the ndp becomes like a communist party and you're still ndp like just normal trade
00:17:50.720union ndp and you're like well i'm gonna have to cross the floor and join the liberals because
00:17:53.820that's now closer to what i believe than like the ndp going full communist the thing is like that's
00:18:00.020the time you could cross the floor. If you were an NDP MP and you became a conservative and you
00:18:05.020told everyone, my views are conservative right now, I think you would actually still then say,
00:18:10.660I'm going to keep voting for all the NDP stuff because that's what I promised to do. But next
00:18:14.600election I'm running as a conservative. That would be honest and fair. But anyways, so we're going to
00:18:20.460keep going on this, but I can't stand this woman. She's just awful. Like just no care for what1.00
00:18:27.740actual people think it like came at her like like like it like got it got stuck in her throat
00:18:35.900thinking about what the average person actually thinks and then just like chalked it up to
00:18:40.460feelings i mean for sure it feels it's being diminished for perhaps the people in the writing
00:18:45.580or for you it doesn't feel like it's being diminished it is being diminished you literally
00:18:50.460voted for one thing and are getting another thing a year later less than a year later but for some
00:18:56.700Some people, they feel that this is actually going to get the government potentially closer
00:20:17.480And when the conservatives keep putting up legislative changes that could be made to actually get a pipeline done, like getting rid of all the stupid anti-pipeline laws and eliminating the carbon taxes on industrial emissions, suddenly the liberals don't want to do it anymore.
00:20:34.320It's like they can't even say, well, the Conservatives are obstructing us. The Conservatives are trying to push the Liberals into doing things that would actually allow the Liberal agenda to be furthered faster. The problem is the stated Liberal agenda of building one strong Canadian economy and getting pipelines built and diversifying trade and, you know, rebuilding the military and cracking down on crime. That's their agenda on paper.
00:21:01.020The obvious agenda is the thing that they're not telling you about because they don't actually work. They take no actions to achieve the one that they say they want to do. And yet they're now building $90 billion trains nobody asked for with the minister's wife as the vice president of environment of Aalto. My goodness.
00:21:19.260They managed to get to those numbers on Monday night. Does that in some way give conservatives a bit more freedom? You don't have to worry about an election. You can take positions. You don't need to cooperate with the government if you don't want to. Maybe it will give you some ability to better differentiate yourself.
00:21:37.840Maybe it's actually good that they're stealing a majority government because it will make your lives easier. Can't you agree, Shuv, to just stop caring and just take a nap? Can't you just go to a spa and hang out and stop worrying about what Mark Carney is doing?
00:21:55.240I think we've been very focused on being the party that will provide results for the priorities of Canadians.
00:22:00.900We've been very successful at doing that over the last year.
00:22:04.020And frankly, more importantly, it's about the democracy that our country has.
00:24:12.360But I think what most liberals would understand is that I'm a fierce and proud conservative that will commit to,
00:24:19.880that made a commitment to the great people of Calgary heritage and will honor it in everything.
00:24:22.460Okay, but when you, I'll end here, when you have caucus next week and you all gather now without Marilyn Gladue,
00:24:28.160will there be a conversation about, hey, we just need to make sure we're all saying the things you're saying,
00:24:33.540focused on those things, and that nobody else is going to go out the door?
00:24:36.820Look, I'm more interested in understanding how the liberal caucus is going to look with Stephen Guibault, Laurie Idlut, and Marilyn Gladue all sitting around the same table.
00:24:47.440It's betraying a party that clearly has no core sense of values.
00:24:51.880And our caucus, I think, we've had great space to be frank.
00:24:58.620I'm not confident other parties in the parliament have that success.
00:25:03.000And I'm confident that we're going to walk in the room united, walk out the room united.
00:25:06.120I thought that was a great performance by Shuv on CBC's Rosemary Barton Live. Again, I find her so obnoxious. Every time Pierre Polyev or Shuv or another conservative is on her show, she does the same thing. Just throws premises past you, hoping that you're not going to question them so they can spin it as if it's true that, you know, Polyev must be in a leadership crisis.0.76
00:25:31.680all these people must hate peer poly when we still cannot get one of the four conservative
00:25:38.780MPs who left to actually say anything bad about them. Not one of them wants to do a tell-all
00:25:43.740interview. It's almost like they're not leaving for exactly principled reasons. And if they explained
00:25:49.000all the things that happened, it wouldn't exactly make them look like heroes. Anyways, with that
00:25:55.160being said, I'm going to be coming back probably tomorrow to talk more about what's going on
00:25:59.960with the media on this issue because they have been awful when it comes to covering the floor
00:26:06.760crossing issue. I want to sort of keep digging down on these segments where they're basically
00:26:11.840admitting to just massive liberal corruption that this majority is going to be great because the
00:26:15.960conservatives can no longer hold them accountable. And it's a great asset to Mark Carney that he
00:26:20.160can't be stopped anymore from building the Alto train, no questions asked. And then we're going
00:26:26.300to have to talk about some clips from the Liberal Party convention. Again, Carney said some really
00:26:30.780dumb things on stage that just signal the fact that he's not getting a trade deal done. And then
00:26:36.080the Liberal Party, oh my goodness, they passed a policy to basically fine people or make them pay
00:26:41.580a large sum of money if they want to go work in the United States. So let's basically lock young
00:26:47.360Canadians up in this country and prevent them from actually leaving so they can keep paying
00:26:51.640the pensions of the people who keep voting to ruin the country. That's great. Now, I know if
00:26:55.860you're a pensioner, you're probably voting conservative if you watch this show. But I think
00:26:59.860we can all agree if you're a liberal and you're on a pension and you keep voting liberal to make
00:27:06.060everyone's lives worse and then maintain your pension and prevent them from leaving, that's
00:27:10.700gross. That's incredibly idiotic. But what do you expect? It's Canadian politics. With that all being
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