The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - January 10, 2025


NDP Insiders see Jagmeet Singh as weak against Trudeau Liberals (ft. Julien Newman)


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Julian Newman, a former NDP staffer joins the show to talk about why Jagmeet Singh is still the leader of the federal NDP and why the party hasn't called an election in six months. He also talks about why he thinks it's a good idea for the party to go to the polls in a general election.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Wyatt Claypool Show.
00:00:04.360 With so much attention on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announcing that he intends to resign sometime in March after the Liberal Party elects a new leader,
00:00:13.400 I think there has been one political figure that has escaped a lot of the attention, and that is federal NDP leader Jagmeet Singh.
00:00:21.460 Why are we even at this point? Why is the Liberal government still even around when there has been enough power in the opposition in order to get rid of them?
00:00:32.020 Jagmeet Singh now is saying that the Liberals don't deserve to be re-elected and they're not competent and that Justin Trudeau is not fit to be Prime Minister.
00:00:41.040 But when did this all change? More of this needs to be asked.
00:00:44.460 And to answer some of these questions, hopefully, I am bringing in a former NDP staffer, Julian Newman, to give us his insights.
00:00:53.380 Julian, you know some people inside the NDP still, and you have been doing a little bit of poking around to see what's going on.
00:01:00.600 And I'd love to hear your perspective on what's going on with Jagmeet Singh. Why is he even still the NDP leader?
00:01:07.700 Yeah, well, thanks for having me on.
00:01:09.280 Yeah, so with all of this, with all the momentum, I guess, now to get rid of Trudeau to call an election, where was the NDP even six months ago?
00:01:21.060 And in your perspective, from your perspective, has anything even changed that makes it okay now to call for an election, but not okay six months ago?
00:01:30.120 Well, I'll start just by telling you, I got together with a group of some of the most prominent New Democrats, I mean, former SAFers, former members of Parliament, and we were trying to pressure the current alleged leader of the party to trigger an election in December.
00:01:50.160 And specifically, because we were afraid Donald Trump would come and do exactly what is happening right now.
00:01:59.620 And, you know, more of the point, we got 1000 NDP members and voters to sign a petition explicitly saying this, it was covered in the Toronto Sun, saying, hey, Jagmeet, you should be afraid of Trump more than Poitier.
00:02:18.860 And, I mean, obviously, they didn't choose to go down the path that we wanted, which was to trigger an election when we had the opportunity.
00:02:26.960 And, I mean, I mean, who knows what's going to happen now?
00:02:31.380 Like, it's a very perilous time.
00:02:33.840 And I, as a conservative, who obviously I don't vote NDP, I've never voted NDP, I've looked at the situation just from the perspective of, if I was a political advisor, what would I be telling Jagmeet Singh to do?
00:02:46.720 Even if in real life, I wouldn't want that job, if I was, what would I do?
00:02:51.520 I often do that on my show, what would I be telling Trudeau to do?
00:02:55.100 What would I be telling Polyev or Singh to do?
00:02:57.480 If I was an advisor to the NDP right now, I'd be saying that if you want any credibility going into the next election, you can't be seen as the guy who finally, when everyone is yelling at you to get rid of Trudeau, you finally do it.
00:03:10.300 Because it's not, he doesn't have a hero narrative at all going into this next election.
00:03:14.740 He, if anything, has come off like Justin Trudeau's executive assistant, who's trying to prevent the hordes from coming in and removing Trudeau, but then finally giving way and pretending like that is him taking a principled stance.
00:03:30.780 I guess, what has been the feeling inside the party with many NDP members?
00:03:35.600 Because you get the feeling that maybe enough people in the NDP don't want Polyev to become the prime minister, they're okay with Trudeau, or is it really the opposite where people are like, but at this point, Trudeau's doing such a bad job, you can't just keep kicking the election down the road.
00:03:51.140 Yes, I think there's a distinction be made between the like 12 people who are NDP members of parliament now.
00:03:58.600 It's so pathetic.
00:04:01.320 You know, when I worked there, we had 59 members of parliament in Quebec only.
00:04:05.760 Now there are, you know, a handful of folks.
00:04:08.360 Anyway, so the distinction be made between, you know, the, you know, handful of people sitting around and, you know, taking their government salaries in Ottawa, and the NDP members and the NDP voters.
00:04:19.880 So, you know, if you work in Ottawa and you're a new Democrat, for some reason, they're completely obsessed with, you know, hating Polyev.
00:04:31.720 Like, this is their thing. Polyev is the new Trump. Polyev, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:04:36.980 The NDP members don't think that way.
00:04:39.360 The NDP members think, hey, what's the best thing for Canada?
00:04:43.220 How can we make the lives of Canadians better?
00:04:45.560 And it's just, it's a totally different starting point.
00:04:50.720 So if you try to have a conversation with NDP members, which we did, they say like, oh, yeah, it's really a problem that Donald Trump is threatening a trade war.
00:04:59.320 Definitely, we need a government.
00:05:01.040 Let's make that happen right now.
00:05:03.260 If you talk to the handful of folks sitting in Ottawa and drawing government salary, they're like, yeah, well, what about Polyev? 0.52
00:05:10.920 So that's just their mindset.
00:05:12.840 That's what Charlie Angus's statement was the other day, that he even after Singh said, at this point, we are going to vote no confidence in the liberal government.
00:05:22.320 Charlie Angus comes out and says, well, as unfit as Justin Trudeau is for office, Pierre Polyev would be worse.
00:05:28.880 And it's like that from a political perspective.
00:05:31.440 If I was, again, an advisor, I'd like smack that guy.
00:05:35.080 Like, what are you talking about?
00:05:36.540 When everyone knows that the source of their problems right now is Justin Trudeau and the liberal government, they don't want to hear a hypothetical about how you have seen into the future and that this guy's plans are worse.
00:05:49.320 Especially now that the NDP has, in fact, actually sided with the conservatives on certain issues of government corruption or against the consumer carbon tax.
00:05:59.760 You would think that this would be the perfect moment to say that, yes, the conservatives might, you don't even have to say the conservatives are more likely to win.
00:06:06.880 But you can just say that right now the problems are such that the only responsible thing to do is remove them.
00:06:11.500 But they're trying to play this 3D chess and they don't seem capable of it right now.
00:06:15.800 I want to back up for a second and just talk about Singh before the last few months when it's become clear that he should have been taking action.
00:06:24.320 I think it was clear a year ago.
00:06:26.460 But how has he survived two elections where the NDP have either lost seats or barely gained any back like they did in 2021?
00:06:35.440 Because we saw Thomas Mulcair in 2015 get removed as the leader or step down.
00:06:41.500 Despite the fact that they still had a substantial amount of support in that 2015 election after, obviously, Leighton passed away and he took over.
00:06:50.900 Yeah, so I had to be careful.
00:06:52.920 Like, it's hard for me to talk about anything from, you know, the Tom era because, you know, I worked there or I worked for Tom and I'm very close to him.
00:07:01.900 So there's some things I can't really touch on.
00:07:04.460 All the Jagmeet stuff I can talk about because I just haven't been involved in it.
00:07:08.420 But I think, essentially, Tom was taken out by people within the party who didn't support him in the leadership race and who didn't like him and who organized to take him out.
00:07:23.420 And Jagmeet, nobody's gone together to get rid of him.
00:07:28.300 And, you know, I think that's a like that says something really negative about the new Democratic Party that we haven't been able to get our act together and, you know, just get rid of this guy.
00:07:42.980 I mean, you say he's Justin Trudeau's assistant.
00:07:45.320 It's like he's more like Justin Trudeau's intern, right?
00:07:48.400 Like, it's a disaster.
00:07:51.160 And, you know, how is it that nobody in this party has gotten their act together to get a proper leader?
00:08:00.480 I mean, it says a lot of bad things about the party.
00:08:03.840 And, you know, I think there used to be myself in that.
00:08:10.620 And I'll include, even though he's not a federal NDP leader, I'll include John Horgan in this category that although I wouldn't vote for them, I have at least I at least have a general respect for people like Jack Layton, John Horgan and Tom Mulcair.
00:08:25.560 Because although I don't agree with their policy solutions, they actually seem to have like a focus on their working class base.
00:08:32.640 And I think they've lost that under Jagmeet Singh.
00:08:35.180 He, in fact, comes across a lot like leaders before Jack Layton of very sanctimonious social activists.
00:08:42.660 And I think that maybe you can correct me if you disagree with this perspective.
00:08:47.120 But the problem with the party is because it has been so obsessed with progressive social issues that the idea is if you get rid of Jagmeet Singh now, it's not the party saying we need to go back to focusing on the economic issues that our base cares about.
00:09:01.300 It's that it feels like, well, now it's a repudiation against the progressive issues that Jagmeet Singh wants to talk about.
00:09:07.540 So if we get rid of him, then we're like betraying the party principles or whatever.
00:09:10.700 So, like, I wonder if there's kind of like this weird, like ideological standoff where they feel like getting rid of Singh makes it look like they're betraying their principles, even though they know if they don't get rid of him, they might actually lose even more seats.
00:09:24.240 Yeah, to be honest, you know, there's a reason why I'm the spokesperson for our group.
00:09:30.540 And it's because I moved Silicon Valley over 10 years ago and I work as a Silicon Valley tech entrepreneur.
00:09:36.220 And I couldn't like I don't care. I'm not dependent on these people.
00:09:41.220 I don't need them to like me for my job.
00:09:46.300 I'm zero to do with them and I don't care.
00:09:50.340 Most of these people, whether they're existing staffers, former members of parliament or whatever in the orbit, if they're on the outs with the NDP, they're on the outs and they can't get a job.
00:10:04.760 And I think that's a really big part of the story here, which is like people, they need to be in the in-group to keep their influence, keep their job, feed their kids.
00:10:19.140 And they just can't can't do what's necessary because it's just not in their interest to do it.
00:10:24.840 So it's become a bit of a bubble with Singh as the leader that criticism isn't allowed, at least now and especially around the Trudeau issue.
00:10:35.160 I think that's true in all political parties at all times.
00:10:40.020 And, you know, the same thing with the liberal MPs all like getting together to boot Trudeau out, you know, they all felt that, you know, the tides were shifting and they want to get the anti-Trudeau side is going to win.
00:10:57.780 And they all went there because that was the best thing for their careers.
00:11:00.920 And I think that's just a large, large part of the story and all these political games.
00:11:08.420 Well, and it reminds me of what Anthony Housefather said in December when he finally openly called for Justin Trudeau's resignation.
00:11:16.140 And he says, well, you know, back in like November, October, I or I think it might have been September.
00:11:21.700 But he's saying that I wanted Trudeau to step down then, but I just hadn't said anything about it.
00:11:26.480 It's like, well, what use are you then?
00:11:27.980 And that's the problem is if Jagmeet Singh personally knew that we need a new election, a new government, and he didn't act on it, it's like, well, isn't that technically the quality of a leader to say the thing when it needs to be said rather than four or five months later?
00:11:46.000 Because that's what, and you're, you, it's not like you were demanding or a group of the NDP, you know, like staff members or, or, you know, party insiders, they weren't demanding this, like, they might have wanted this like a year ago.
00:12:00.980 It's not like you guys were demanding it like a year and a half ago, and maybe it's not the right time.
00:12:04.840 We haven't been able to fundraise enough since the last election.
00:12:07.140 And that's always an issue.
00:12:08.580 You can't, you can't divorce political financing from the political process.
00:12:13.120 You have to have enough money to fight the election.
00:12:14.960 But you guys are asking for this in December.
00:12:18.640 And if anything, you guys are also trying to sustain them from not losing everything they have.
00:12:24.560 It's not like you're showing up and saying you have to do the principal thing, even though it's going to hurt you.
00:12:28.560 You're saying do the principal thing, because it's going to sustain you.
00:12:32.420 Because if you're going to run a new election, how do you run as the guy who only barely let Trudeau finally fall at the very near end?
00:12:40.320 I don't even think, and you can, again, you can give me your perspective on this.
00:12:44.400 I don't actually think that Singh cares about his own pension.
00:12:48.100 The man already is decently well off.
00:12:51.380 He's only like in his 40s.
00:12:52.780 He'd have to wait a long time before he even applies for what is a pretty small pension overall.
00:12:56.960 But he's allowed people to think that that's what motivates him by acting so slowly.
00:13:03.160 So he ends up being the kind of author of his own demise here in terms of his political credibility.
00:13:09.600 I think to the extent that, you know, like the pension thing, like his personal interest, to the extent that comes in, I'm sure it's a small piece of it.
00:13:18.900 And honestly, it came up all the time when I talked to people in the party.
00:13:24.800 They're like, look, Jagmeet's not going to do this for February 25th.
00:13:27.900 That's always what they would say.
00:13:30.040 I have to quickly say that's actually shocking to me, because I've been the one trying to give Jagmeet the benefit of the doubt for so long,
00:13:36.920 thinking that I think he likes the celebrity of being the party leader.
00:13:40.900 And if a new election happens, he might be out.
00:13:43.160 The fact that that man cares about his pension is somewhat shocking to me.
00:13:49.560 I suspect it's not a huge factor.
00:13:52.400 What I suspect is a bigger factor and something you talked about in your in one of your videos is he's going to lose his seat.
00:14:00.900 And he's been cut in half in redistributions.
00:14:04.200 And I think the best he can hope for is the riding where 338 gives him a 50-50 shot.
00:14:10.360 And 338 would, in fact, be probably more favorable to him than he deserved, because they, in Cloverdale, Langley City, not that far away,
00:14:18.920 assumed Tamara Jensen was going to win with a 26% margin. 1.00
00:14:22.500 And she, in fact, went with a 50% margin.
00:14:25.420 Yeah.
00:14:25.880 Yeah.
00:14:26.260 Well, that's what he's afraid of, to the extent he's afraid of something.
00:14:31.440 Which is essentially, right, like, what would, what would obviously get him booted out as leader of the NDP?
00:14:41.680 Losing his own seat.
00:14:43.480 And, you know, the likelihood of him losing his seat.
00:14:47.100 Who knows?
00:14:47.560 Elections.
00:14:48.460 I mean, a lot.
00:14:49.320 Like, who would have predicted six months ago that Donald Trump would try to, like, take over Canada, right?
00:14:54.640 Like, crazy things happen.
00:14:58.600 And so who knows?
00:15:01.520 But, you know, there's a probability that he loses his own seat.
00:15:08.060 And if he loses his own seat, he loses everything.
00:15:10.020 And he'll go back to, like, stocking shelves at Loblaws, which is where he deserves to be.
00:15:15.000 But, you know, obviously he doesn't want to be there.
00:15:16.760 Yeah, that would be, or I guess he could get a job at Metro.
00:15:20.900 His brother does have a good inside lane with the Metro people, with his lobby firm.
00:15:26.860 And that's, again, been just a big thing with Singh.
00:15:30.140 It's just all of the own goals with constantly making everything about Loblaws.
00:15:34.160 And I find that over time he's been very one-note in a way that Jack Layton or Thomas Mulcair never felt one-note.
00:15:41.300 It felt like a Canadian party leader, where he feels like, again, an activist.
00:15:47.320 And, again, you can maybe give me an idea of what party strategy has been over time.
00:15:53.700 But from what I've observed, it felt like they sort of left working-class ridings.
00:15:59.660 And they've shifted focus more over to either very traditional union ridings that they've been winning for, like, the past 50 years.
00:16:06.780 And, you know, college campus ridings with a large student population.
00:16:10.940 That seems like what they've limited themselves to, unless every single riding is going to get its own university.
00:16:17.160 I don't think that that's going to give them a great way of being able to win in the future.
00:16:21.500 Because I don't think they can, and I assume you're from Quebec, that I don't think that they're going to ever be able to pull off that big Quebec seat win like they did back in 2011.
00:16:30.960 So my view of the world here is just, like, a personal thing.
00:16:36.980 This is honestly more from being a startup founder than being involved in politics.
00:16:41.220 But my view of the world is I just assume everybody is a totally incompetent, totally lethargic, you know, blob.
00:16:50.380 And it's, like, almost everybody has no idea what they're doing.
00:16:54.340 They suck.
00:16:55.100 They have no energy.
00:16:56.500 And their strategy makes no sense.
00:16:58.800 And they're idiots.
00:16:59.920 And then you have a handful of people who are capable of accomplishing things.
00:17:05.160 And usually that explains almost everything.
00:17:10.860 So if you just, like, assume stupidity and incompetence, it explains how the Liberal Party of Canada kicked out their only good member of Parliament, Justin Trudeau, as their leader.
00:17:25.140 I mean, he doesn't appeal to me.
00:17:26.900 He appeals to a lot of Canadians.
00:17:28.560 You know, they're replacing him with, you know, Mark Carney, who's a banker from London.
00:17:32.840 Like, that's totally crazy.
00:17:33.820 And why would they do that?
00:17:37.060 It's because they're idiots, right?
00:17:38.660 And that's actually, I know you and I saying this because I actually agree with you fully on that.
00:17:43.200 A lot of people are like, well, why wouldn't they get rid of Trudeau?
00:17:45.520 He sucks.
00:17:46.080 Everyone hates him.
00:17:47.120 Yes.
00:17:47.900 But really, do you want, like, somebody with as beige of a personality as Chrystia Freeland or Mark Carney or Francois-Philippe Champagne as your new leader?
00:17:57.980 All these people are, Trudeau, with less charisma, except they are convinced that somehow if they throw in Freeland, they're going to win, like, 75 seats and they're going to at least look okay after this next election.
00:18:10.800 I just don't even think that that's true.
00:18:12.840 Well, the Ottawa, I'll just say one thing on that.
00:18:17.340 The Ottawa chatting class, their kind of perspective, because they're all, like, old, right?
00:18:22.980 Like, they're all, you know, in their 60s.
00:18:24.720 They have a perspective in the 80s and 90s where, like, the Liberals were the, you know, natural governing party of Canada.
00:18:33.660 The Liberal Party is, their natural state is 23 members of Parliament, which is where they were before Trudeau.
00:18:40.580 And, like, you know, like, the way people put it in Ottawa is, like, you know, the Liberal brand is stronger than the Justin brand.
00:18:50.260 And it's like, no, the Justin brand is stronger than the Liberal brand.
00:18:54.000 As weak as the Justin brand is now, it's better than the absolutely horrible kind of, like, corrupt Liberal.
00:19:00.100 You're right, because they tried to run just on the generic Liberal brand in 2011 and in 2008 with Stefan Dion and then Mike Lignanieff.
00:19:10.300 And then that didn't work, so they decided to fully soul-suck the party by just having Justin Trudeau not only installed as a leader with barely any competition,
00:19:18.580 but then also he was given dictatorial powers.
00:19:21.880 They had to, like, beg Trudeau to step down because there was no way for caucus or even the party board or members to get rid of him.
00:19:29.240 And now they're going back to what they didn't even have with Mike Lignanieff, which was a brand.
00:19:35.720 The thing is that they didn't realize before Paul Martin had his own brand.
00:19:39.760 Jean Chrétien had his own brand.
00:19:41.700 It's almost like the social credit party we're watching because unless it's a good leader, nobody cares about them.
00:19:46.400 And you're right, the problem with the Liberals, even more than the Conservatives and the NDP,
00:19:51.200 when they get 20% of the vote, they get fewer seats than if the NDP got 20% or the Conservatives got 20%,
00:19:57.700 because they are the party for absolutely no one outside of the island of Montreal.
00:20:01.840 And even that doesn't look to be true anymore, because, like, it's just thinly spread party for people who think that they're intellectual
00:20:09.400 but don't actually care about policy outcomes.
00:20:11.300 To get back to Jagmeet Singh here, are they, because you've maybe heard what they're thinking about now
00:20:17.660 that all this information, like, you know, the new Liberal leadership race is happening,
00:20:22.140 are they going to then use this as a way of delaying even further the next election,
00:20:27.820 give the new Prime Minister some more time, come up with excuses or deals in order to try and extend this thing out as far as possible?
00:20:35.300 I think everybody in Ottawa, and this is the NDP, the Liberals, the Conservatives, the people in the media,
00:20:43.880 they are so unaware of reality that they just figured out, like, yesterday that the threat from Donald Trump was a real thing, right?
00:20:53.400 Like, these guys, they have no plan.
00:20:55.740 And, like, to the extent they had a plan, it all disappeared when they realized,
00:20:59.200 when they, like, suddenly figured out that the United States was going to start a trade war against Canada,
00:21:06.000 despite the fact that it was crystal clear a month ago.
00:21:09.940 So I think the actual answer is, to the extent the NDP had a plan, you know, two days ago,
00:21:16.920 they have no plan now, and that's true for most of these political parties.
00:21:21.940 Like, they have no idea what they're doing, because it's Donald Trump who's, you know, driving the ship.
00:21:27.860 Yeah, fair enough.
00:21:28.720 And what do you, from what you've heard, you might have heard nothing so far,
00:21:33.560 but what's the, does the NDP have any real electoral strategy for this next year,
00:21:38.320 or is it kind of like they're making it up as they go at this point?
00:21:41.120 I think they're trying to, like, reboot themselves and reboot Jagmeet. 0.78
00:21:47.820 Like, that's the whole thing.
00:21:48.820 But, you know, nobody cares.
00:21:50.780 Like, you know, honestly, we did this small media campaign.
00:21:54.360 It was, like, me and my executive assistant.
00:21:57.760 We sent, like, two days, and we got more attention than the NDP has gotten in, like, six months.
00:22:03.540 So, like, these people, they're not good.
00:22:06.360 You're actually so right.
00:22:07.200 And this is even the Conservative Party many a time.
00:22:11.600 In fact, people don't know this.
00:22:12.860 When Polyev ran for Conservative leadership, he specifically refused to hire any party comms people
00:22:17.560 because they suck at their jobs. 0.87
00:22:19.400 Party comms people are the worst part of the consultant class in the sense that they think
00:22:24.840 if we just keep repeating something, it will become true.
00:22:28.080 If you've ever, like, worked with a terrible marketing team where he's, like,
00:22:31.860 we just have to say that Jagmeets the working class hero and it will happen.
00:22:36.060 It's, like, no, you actually need to work on that perception.
00:22:40.080 Like, the way that Jack Layton did for, like, two decades had to work on the idea that he
00:22:45.640 was, like, an actual, like, you know, working class guy.
00:22:49.200 Whereas Jagmeet Singh, they keep kind of coming out every few months and trying to wish cast him
00:22:53.540 as, like, a different type of, you know, like, politician that he's not.
00:22:58.660 Like, he's the kind of guy, frankly, from my perspective, who was streaming with Hassan Piker
00:23:04.680 and Alexandrek Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar.
00:23:08.120 That's who Jagmeet Singh always kind of is burned into my head.
00:23:11.500 He's what I always say is, like, a parrot looking for shiny objects.
00:23:15.920 He likes the attention.
00:23:17.360 But I find, even though he's part of the NDP, the traditional working class party,
00:23:22.440 whenever he's at, like, a picket line or strike, he always looks uncomfortable.
00:23:26.220 And I think that he just doesn't know who he even is right now.
00:23:30.140 And that's why when Trudeau leaves, although people are trying to say, well, the Conservatives
00:23:34.640 have nothing to say because they were the anti-Trudeau party, that was actually true about the NDP.
00:23:40.420 They don't know what to say because, in fact, they agree with a lot of the liberal policies
00:23:43.720 and helped them pass all of them over the past two years.
00:23:47.380 If you Google Jagmeet Singh, Jack Layton, I'm pretty sure you could pretty easily find,
00:23:54.300 there's, like, one photo that exists of Jagmeet Singh and Jack Layton together.
00:24:00.100 And it's kind of, like, some official photo that was taken.
00:24:02.780 And if you look it up, you can see, like, Jack's face.
00:24:06.720 His face kind of, like, who is this loser, right?
00:24:09.840 And, like, that, to me, is, like, Jack's face in that photo, standing beside Jagmeet,
00:24:17.600 is, like, a complete and, you know, very accurate summary of the guy.
00:24:22.920 And it's, like, why are you even here?
00:24:26.640 It's kind of, like, everybody's reaction to him.
00:24:29.320 You prompted me to do this.
00:24:30.420 I am now going to show that photo on screen because you actually are correct.
00:24:34.360 It's kind of, like, okay, well.
00:24:36.940 Exactly.
00:24:37.840 It's, like, who, why am I here and who is this guy, right?
00:24:42.920 Yeah.
00:24:43.300 Like, and that is not only Jack's reaction to Jagmeet, it's everybody's reaction to Jagmeet.
00:24:50.220 And that's a problem the NDP has.
00:24:52.760 And, you know, I've spoken a lot of Quebec NDP MPs.
00:24:57.700 I was, like, why do you think we got totally destroyed in the election, you know,
00:25:03.060 after we first swept the province?
00:25:05.700 And I won't tell you specifically what they said, but, like, pretty much is, like,
00:25:11.080 they go door to door and people are, like, I just hate this Jack.
00:25:15.880 Everyone wants to then pull the card that, well, it's because Quebec voters are particularly,
00:25:20.600 like, racist or something like that or intolerant.
00:25:24.140 And it's, like, have you ever been to Montreal?
00:25:26.440 Have you ever been to Montreal suburbs?
00:25:28.280 He could easily get elected there if he was a local, like, Solidaire party politician.
00:25:33.940 But he has to be real.
00:25:35.480 And the thing is that there is something about the idea that he can't take off the Rolex watch
00:25:40.060 that's very telling.
00:25:42.160 Because if I was his brand manager, I'd be like, you gotta, like, just remove the things
00:25:47.560 that people are going to make a joke about.
00:25:49.200 It's not about saying, or at least lean into it.
00:25:52.260 You can't be the guy who's going after Galen Weston for how much money he makes at the same
00:25:56.700 time that you're making, like, a family's net income in a year on your body while you're
00:26:01.900 asking it.
00:26:02.700 It's just the imagistics are, he puts himself before the policy so often.
00:26:08.020 And that's exactly how you can explain the whole Trudeau situation right now.
00:26:11.940 Singh was putting himself before the public interest and what was right on a policy level.
00:26:16.900 And now he's shocked when the NDP, in fact, in the recent polls, are actually down.
00:26:22.260 In theory, it should be the best time to be the NDP, just like it was in 2011.
00:26:27.080 When the liberals are falling apart, you should be right there with a bucket to catch all the
00:26:31.420 stuff that they're bleeding out.
00:26:33.780 And so far, it's that he has made himself a very fussy type of a figure, the same way that
00:26:41.120 Trudeau, in fact, is.
00:26:42.160 Yeah, I think there's a very bright future that, you know, I foresee and, you know, I'm
00:26:50.220 not really part of it because I'm not, you know, part of Canadian politics anymore, truly.
00:26:55.280 But where we go the same route that the UK went, where it's like, you know, Jagmeet gets defeated,
00:27:05.680 he leaves, a proper person comes in and, you know, we relegate the Liberal Party to what the Lib Dems are
00:27:13.080 in the UK.
00:27:14.020 And we have a two-party system in Canada that's the Conservatives have one opinion, the NDP have
00:27:18.900 another perspective, and, you know, you have a normal system.
00:27:25.440 I actually think that's the most likely outcome if you, you know, fast forward 20 years.
00:27:31.500 And I'm super bullish on the NDP.
00:27:34.240 I think it has one of the best brands in terms of as a political party.
00:27:39.980 You know, it has by far the worst leader.
00:27:43.360 But the Liberals are going to have a horrible leader soon.
00:27:46.840 I actually agree with that, even though, again, I would never vote NDP, that the NDP actually
00:27:52.620 does have more of a brand than at least the Liberals do, in the sense that anyone could
00:27:57.560 be the NDP leader, and they'll still get 15 to 20% of the vote.
00:28:02.440 Whereas if you have a bad Liberal leader, you will immediately fall to like 17%, like Mike
00:28:08.480 Linadiev was at, even though it's a party that used to soar extremely high under people
00:28:12.960 like John Chrétien just a little bit before.
00:28:15.280 And that wasn't even the funny thing in 2011, that it wasn't even like the Liberals were
00:28:18.900 in power, and people turned on them.
00:28:21.120 People turned on them just because they just frankly don't like them very much.
00:28:24.680 But maybe a last question here.
00:28:26.500 What's your prediction when it comes to election outcomes in 2025?
00:28:32.100 Where do you see the NDP finishing in terms of the popular vote?
00:28:35.980 Do they go up in seats?
00:28:37.060 Do they go down?
00:28:37.740 What's going to what's happening with them?
00:28:39.280 Yeah, I think everyone's going to get wiped out, except for the bloc in Quebec and the 0.99
00:28:44.180 Conservatives in Canada.
00:28:46.100 And that's actually, if you zoom out, that is the story of Canadian politics for the last
00:28:53.640 30, 40 years, which is essentially like voters, their message is we hate you, and we want
00:29:00.920 to fire you.
00:29:01.680 And every single time they have the chance to fire people, they do.
00:29:06.880 And I think essentially what's going to happen is Canadians going to say, everyone who is
00:29:12.640 in government right now, we hate them.
00:29:14.920 We hate our government.
00:29:15.920 We hate where the country is going.
00:29:17.380 And we'd love it if the political class of Canada understood how unhappy we were.
00:29:22.380 And the only way we can deliver that message is to vote, you know, conservative in Canada,
00:29:27.740 a bloc in Quebec.
00:29:29.600 And, you know, the Canadian voters can continue to do the same thing over and over again, until
00:29:35.000 Canada's political class understands that, you know, everything's not rosy, and people
00:29:39.920 are not happy.
00:29:41.500 Yeah, fair enough.
00:29:42.380 Well, thanks for coming on the show, Julian.
00:29:44.820 It's always good to hear, honestly, what like the insider perspective is in other parties,
00:29:50.020 because oftentimes the only parties I hear from are conservative ones.
00:29:53.240 So broadening my horizons, it's fantastic.
00:29:56.100 Thanks for coming on the show.
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00:30:08.340 I always do the worst outros. 1.00
00:30:09.560 I'm sorry, people.