The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - June 15, 2024


Parliament is full of traitors after 8 years of Justin Trudeau

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foreign interference scandals
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Wyatt Claypool
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Piropoleev Justin Trudeau Jagmeet Singh Elizabeth May Elizabeth Mayne Handong Vladimir Putin Jennifer Law Majid Johari Xi Jinping Jill Stein Wah-Pau-Woo Beijing Mark
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In this episode, I talk about foreign interference in our political system, and why it's a big deal. I also talk about what I would do if I found out that my own party was colluding with a foreign government.

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00:00:00.000 I think the best way of portraying to the uninitiated just how far Canada has fallen under the lack of leadership of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
00:00:09.120 is that eight and a half years into his time as Prime Minister, we now apparently have a Parliament chock full of traitors.
00:00:17.420 So it wasn't enough that the Liberals were just domestically corrupt.
00:00:21.120 We needed to export our corruption and let, like, Xi Jinping have a seat in our house through one of the Liberal MPs. 0.91
00:00:30.000 This is effectively what everyone knows has been going on for a few years, but finally a committee actually investigated it
00:00:37.140 and put together a report basically showing just how for sale Canada's government really is right now.
00:00:43.480 And that is obviously a massive violation of democracy in Canada that MPs in specific ridings might not really care about their constituents.
00:00:54.560 They might care more about what the Chinese government thinks, the Indian government, Pakistani government, Iranian government.
00:01:01.360 They care more about what they think than people who actually pay taxes in this country.
00:01:07.280 Obviously, this is horrible.
00:01:09.540 But today what I want to do is kind of break down the discourse around the whole foreign interference, you know, investigation scandals, I guess you would call them.
00:01:19.360 And oddly enough, the discourse has been mainly happening between Jagmeet Singh and Elizabeth Mayne.
00:01:26.780 And what I'll say up front is I take everything both of these two say with a grain of salt.
00:01:32.840 The NDP has a lot to gain pretending it is the peer party because there's no chance of having a foreign government try and, you know, buy their MPs
00:01:41.940 because it's a useless party that no foreign government would ever bother with.
00:01:46.240 Like, nobody's knocking on the NDP's door trying to get influence inside the government through a new Democratic Party MP. 1.00
00:01:53.380 That's, you know, that's a really stupid thing to do. 0.99
00:01:57.120 That would be something like a really poor country would do. 0.99
00:01:59.480 They don't have enough money to bribe like a liberal or a conservative or a bloc MP.
00:02:04.280 So they have to go down the street to the NDP.
00:02:06.640 It's like Equatorial Guinea or something like that would be bribing an NDP MP.
00:02:11.000 And the Greens are, oddly enough, Elizabeth Mayne at the very least, I'm not sure about what her colleague, the only other Green MP, thinks.
00:02:20.400 But she's doing the reverse where she's not acting self-righteous.
00:02:23.800 She's almost like downplaying the idea of foreign interference, which might be because the Green Party has always had oddly strange connections to the Russian government.
00:02:33.060 That's both in Canada and the U.S.
00:02:34.560 You'll notice that it's a strange phenomenon, but Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate for president of the U.S., who's been the presidential candidate a couple times already, every time she's in a room with Vladimir Putin, if it's a massive banquet with tons of tables, she's always sat with him.
00:02:51.460 And the Green Party has always done a lot of water carrying in Canada for the Russian government.
00:02:57.400 The guy who was the runner-up in the last Green Party leadership race, who lost to a NAMI Paul, literally went to Russia to go basically act as a propaganda journalist for them, saying that everything's fantastic here and it's literally the only prosperous country on the planet.
00:03:11.740 And actually, the West and the U.S. are the real evils in the world.
00:03:16.460 It's nuts, the kind of stuff the Green Party gets up to.
00:03:19.040 But I want to just play this clip first of Jagmeet Singh, in a certain sense, doing the right thing and saying that I'd kick out any MP in my caucus if I go look at this report who's implicated in foreign interview.
00:03:31.540 It's a little bit empty because, obviously, there's not really that much of a capacity for any NDP MPs to be corrupt in this line of, you know, in this area.
00:03:41.400 I'm just saying, would you, on the floor of the House of Commons, if you get the names in your briefing, release them?
00:03:47.780 Because you're not a member of the committee, so you would be allowed to do that.
00:03:51.460 So, what I've said, what I'm going to do is this, the following.
00:03:54.580 If a member of my party, anyone that's a New Democrat, a member of Parliament, I have, I read the briefing, and if they are, it's clear to me that they knowingly work with a foreign government to undermine Canada, I will immediately remove them from caucus.
00:04:11.420 There is no way I will approve them to run as a candidate, nor would I allow them to continue to sit in my caucus if they are named, and they knowingly work with a foreign government to undermine our country.
00:04:23.640 See, no, I'll give Jagmeet Singh credit for that.
00:04:26.200 That's the right thing to do.
00:04:27.420 I hope every leader, if they find out that there is somebody corrupt in their caucus, just kicks them out.
00:04:31.940 The kind of dirty secret here is I find that a lot of party politics is so about risk aversion, trying to be as clean as possible in terms of public image, that I could see parties finding someone corrupt in their caucus, and then their first instinct is to say nothing about it.
00:04:49.380 Because if we expose that this person is corrupt, maybe there's a bad news story.
00:04:52.900 So maybe it's better just to kind of let them persist and hope they eventually leave and they stop being a problem for us, rather than us getting rid of them, doing the right thing, but having to take, you know, a hit in the media.
00:05:04.100 That's kind of the problem we end up having a lot in Canadian politics.
00:05:07.340 Risk aversion ends up meaning that problems kind of persist.
00:05:09.980 But now I want to move on to the weird back and forth that Jagmeet Singh and Elizabeth May had on this issue, where she was very downplaying of the problems and he was like almost sensationalizing it, probably more than it needed to be.
00:05:26.440 But here is a great edit that I believe Jennifer L. made between the two's different press conferences.
00:05:32.760 I have no worries about anyone in the House of Commons.
00:05:36.380 The MPs that are involved, wittingly or unwittingly, are they traitors to Canada?
00:05:41.660 They are indeed traitors to the country.
00:05:44.160 But I am vastly relieved.
00:05:46.700 I'm not relieved at all, nor, in fact, I am more disturbed.
00:05:51.920 There is no list of MPs who have shown disloyalty to Canada.
00:05:57.860 We must find a way to let MPs who are named in this report know that we know what they're up to.
00:06:05.000 Yeah, so there is a bit of a tale of two press conferences going on between Jagmeet Singh and Elizabeth May.
00:06:12.940 The only thing that I don't want to pull up the clip because it's very long, but the only thing that it does leave out is Elizabeth May, while she's downplaying it, those were mostly moments from the very start of her press conference.
00:06:23.300 As it went on, she started saying, well, yeah, there was probably some nominations that foreign countries were effectively helping to rig, and there were some former MPs who just left office recently who were working for foreign governments and passing diplomats' private secrets or, like, you know, foreign agents' privileged secrets from government.
00:06:43.160 And even then, she admits she's only read the public report, and she's not actually read the one that requires deeper security clearance, so her testimony is utterly worthless.
00:06:54.320 But anyways, that kind of brings us to this other thing that's been going on with it, which is the discourse between both the NDP and the liberals going after Piropoleev for not getting the security clearance to read the report.
00:07:07.320 The thing is, and I'll play the clip of Piropoleev explaining this in a second here, I think it's a good thing for people to know about, that it's so strange to see the liberals try to make hay out of this, considering that Trudeau, for 11 weeks, has known the MPs implicated in it, many being likely people from his own caucus, as well as people he's appointed as senator.
00:07:30.600 Like, I think this is a very good example of a guy telling on himself, liberal-appointed Senator Wah-Pau-Woo, saying that he opposes any new bill trying to curb foreign interference of, you know, any interference from foreign state agents.
00:07:46.440 He was like the one guy who came out saying, I'm going to vote against this.
00:07:49.680 There are some other people who abstain strategically, but if you come out and say, hmm, foreign interference bill?
00:07:55.580 Well, no, not on my watch. I'm going to guess that you might have some level of ties to the Chinese government.
00:08:03.740 Just a guess here. Maybe it's from Taiwan. I'm just assuming he's more, you know, pro-Beijing on terms of what's been going on, because the liberals would never appoint someone who's pro-Taiwan.
00:08:13.520 But the liberals posted this on their own social media account a couple days ago.
00:08:17.840 The header saying, why won't Piropoleev get his security clearance?
00:08:21.340 And the graphic reads, Piropoleev is the sole party leader forgoing access to classified report on foreign interference.
00:08:28.780 Now, the conservatives already have two of their own MPs who've already seen the report, the report that Piropoleev would have to get a security clearance to see.
00:08:36.580 The reason Piropoleev has said he doesn't want to get is because to get the security clearance wouldn't actually let him then speak about it after.
00:08:43.840 You'd have to basically sign an NDA saying, I'm not going to talk about it.
00:08:46.940 And so two conservative MPs have seen it. I don't think they're technically allowed to even tell Piropoleev what they said.
00:08:53.200 The only people they'd maybe be able to talk about it with are each other, because they both have clearance.
00:08:57.980 But this is the problem, is that there might be a lot of game playing going on where Trudeau knows what's in it.
00:09:03.280 But if you want to know what's in it, you're also not allowed to speak about it, so you can't call him out.
00:09:08.060 So the liberals are oddly using kind of the fog of war here in order to attack Piropoleev.
00:09:12.980 And to be clear, the security clearance is not like predicated on getting like a background check or something.
00:09:19.060 It's not like Piropoleev might have done something, and so he's not allowed to get the security clearance.
00:09:23.740 No, no, no. It's like a security clearance that reading any document would require you to do a new security clearance where like an investigator would make sure that you have no exposures that would prevent you from being able to read it.
00:09:36.320 Like, let's say, one of the people implicated probably can't read it, because they can't probably know a lot of this classified information, because they're already not a trusted individual.
00:09:46.240 They'd maybe be able to read another report based on like water safety or something like that in some small town or whatever.
00:09:52.020 You need a security clearance to read it because of some privileged information.
00:09:55.200 But like, you have to get, basically, they would look at your unique vectors for potentially having issues reading it.
00:10:02.340 That's what that's what this is all about. Polioev could obviously get in five seconds.
00:10:06.480 And here is him explaining why he specifically hasn't tried to go get the security clearance to read this.
00:10:12.040 I'm not going to be muzzled. And what I think Trudeau is trying to do here is put a bunch of paper in front of me that has information that's already public.
00:10:20.340 Mark it secret and then say, you can't speak about this anymore because now you've seen classified material.
00:10:26.380 It's a crafty way to silence critics. We already have two conservatives that are cleared to look at these documents and to scrutinize what the prime minister proposes to put in front of me.
00:10:39.440 I think that is the right way to go. But at the end of the day, I'm not going to be silenced.
00:10:43.620 What we actually need is a full public inquiry with a former judge who's skilled at dealing with national security issues to look into the allegations to see why Beijing interfered in two successive elections to help Trudeau win.
00:10:56.480 Why did Beijing give one hundred and forty thousand dollars to the Trudeau Foundation in order to influence the prime minister?
00:11:03.780 These are questions to which we need real answers. And only a public inquiry will deliver those answers.
00:11:08.420 So, yeah, that's I know. I generally think that's probably the reason why, like everyone's trying to say, like, there's a dark secret reason why he won't get it.
00:11:17.140 Like, it would be stupid because if there was like really deep implications for the conservative party in foreign interference, I think the liberals or the NDP would have leaked it at this point, even though Jagmeet Singh says, well, I'll keep it as a responsibility of the conservative party leader and the liberal party leader to call out anybody who might be implicated in the report.
00:11:35.280 At the same time, I don't think that Jagmeet Singh could probably help himself if there were like really obvious conservative MPs who are like working for the Indian government or working for like, I don't know, the Laos government or something like that, or the Egyptian government, the Israeli government. 0.84
00:11:50.840 He'd 100 percent do it in five seconds. And so could there be conservatives in it?
00:11:55.780 Yeah, totally. This is the problem, again, with large parties. The larger the party, the more nutcases who could be inside the party willing to work on behalf of a foreign government.
00:12:05.880 Naturally, parties with no power don't have many people trying to influence them.
00:12:10.380 And so the conservatives could have some people who maybe cut a deal to win a nomination with the help of some foreign embassy selling memberships to people who knew from that community.
00:12:20.460 That could have happened. Could have. Yeah, definitely. The thing is, it's probably mostly just the liberal government or the liberal party.
00:12:28.140 We I can enlist people right now. Handong is obviously implicated. Jagmeet Singh kind of even hinted at it because after he came out and delivered this press conference,
00:12:36.500 he also just made a quick comment that I don't think Handong should ever be let back in the liberal party caucus and then pretended like that had nothing to do with what he had just read.
00:12:44.700 It's probably because he's obviously somebody who has had back channels with the Chinese government that the Canadian government found out about or CESIS found out about.
00:12:53.900 Maju Jahari is an obvious person who has ties to the Iranian regime, the Islamic regime in Iran.
00:13:00.760 He's literally when Iranian parliamentarians come to Canada, they don't have an embassy here.
00:13:05.860 They're not supposed to be doing diplomatic missions to Canada.
00:13:08.160 But if they do happen to arrive on Canadian shores, oddly enough, they go and meet at Maju Jahari's house.
00:13:13.980 And I don't think it's because he makes like a really mean cheese fondue or something like that.
00:13:19.420 They just have to try it. Probably he's their boy here.
00:13:22.540 And there's a lot of other MPs in the liberal party I could name who obviously have some ties to the Pakistani government or to the Iranian government or others, the Chinese government.
00:13:33.140 But for now, we don't know. Trudeau knows. He doesn't want to say anything.
00:13:39.000 In a certain sense, he probably should just tear off the band-aid right now.
00:13:43.700 Maybe he thinks that there's enough of an exposure for the conservatives that they won't call him out.
00:13:48.420 Because even if, let's say, let's say there's 10 MPs who are compromised, 10 MPs and senators,
00:13:53.000 maybe 9 out of 10 are liberals and one's a conservative, but they know that if that comes out, there's any conservatives implicated,
00:14:02.120 the media are going to cover it like a 50-50 affair.
00:14:05.120 Yes, 99% of all of the damage done is from the liberal side, especially since they're literally the government,
00:14:11.780 and there's just one random freak from the conservatives.
00:14:14.140 But the media will pretend like these are equivalent things.
00:14:17.880 They do it all the time.
00:14:19.040 Just look at the war between Israel and Hamas, where they pretend it's a 50-50 affair between two legitimate actors.
00:14:25.820 But anyways, this really does put a fine point on just how bad Canada's gotten under Trudeau.
00:14:32.520 The fact that, again, it's not just normal graft, you know, giving money to your friends domestically,
00:14:37.900 building bridges to nowhere in order to funnel money to specific companies,
00:14:41.600 S&C Laval and stuff, that's already bad.
00:14:44.740 If anything, that was in a Canadian company doing foreign interference in Libya.
00:14:50.840 But now we are doing it the opposite direction, where our parliamentarians are either apparently for sale
00:14:56.220 or have such strong loyalties to other countries, they're willing to just not care about the interests of Canadians
00:15:01.880 in order to serve that foreign asset, which will hurt us in the long run.
00:15:05.920 I guarantee there was also stuff talking about the Winnipeg Lab leak in all this,
00:15:11.340 because I don't doubt that a lot of those people working in the Winnipeg Lab,
00:15:15.120 those two Chinese, basically Beijing assets, probably had help from somebody.
00:15:20.880 And I hope that comes out at some point.
00:15:22.860 And I hope this report just gets splashed out to the public,
00:15:25.320 because that's kind of what we need at this point.
00:15:27.120 It doesn't sound like we would expose any foreign secrets by releasing this,
00:15:33.940 but Trudeau's trying to keep it locked up in the committee,
00:15:36.480 and under 17 layers of security clearances you need to even whisper about what you've read.
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