The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - April 18, 2025


Pierre Poilievre demolished Carney in the English Debate! (Review)


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In this episode, I review the Canadian leaders debate and give my letter grades for each of the candidates. I discuss the impact of the debate on the polls and how it will affect the election going forward. I also give my thoughts on what Mark Carney should have done differently.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, Wyatt Claypool here. Did you catch that English leaders debate last night?
00:00:05.860 Because I did. And while Pierre Polyev may want to keep murderers locked up for the rest of their
00:00:11.820 lives in prison, he seems to have made an exception for himself because he murdered Mark Carney on
00:00:17.620 stage. That was a brutal performance by Mark Carney. And there are already leftists online
00:00:24.300 and on television basically explaining that this debate really didn't matter that much,
00:00:29.160 that nobody's going to remember it. And they're saying that because they know that they cannot
00:00:34.140 actually spin Mark Carney's performance as anything but terrible. They're just hoping that
00:00:39.740 nobody noticed how bad it was. So today I want to do a review of the debate, go over some of the
00:00:46.100 polling that came out right afterwards of people who had actually watched it. I want to give the
00:00:51.220 leaders letter grades, and then I want to discuss how this is going to affect the election going
00:00:56.300 forward. We have early voting starting today, and it's going to go on until Monday, or I believe
00:01:02.280 Sunday. So guys, make sure you go out and vote early. There are low propensity voters out there
00:01:08.440 who are going to be less likely to wait 45 minutes in line to vote. So if you vote now, it means that
00:01:14.840 those low propensity conservative voters on election day are actually going to stick it through in more
00:01:20.540 like a 20-minute line and cast a ballot for Pierre Polyev and the conservatives. But anyways, before
00:01:26.460 I get into the debate, I just want to remind you guys, if you like my federal election coverage, make
00:01:32.880 sure to like this video, subscribe to the channel if you are not yet a subscriber, and leave a comment.
00:01:39.100 How do you think the leaders did? Give me your letter grades for Carney, Polyev, Blanchet, and Singh.
00:01:46.700 I'm going to start off with the letter grades, and then I'm going to explain why. I kind of buried the
00:01:52.520 lead in the French debate yesterday, so I'll just start off with it right away now. If I am giving a
00:01:57.980 letter grade to Pierre Polyev, although I am a conservative supporter and it kind of sounds like
00:02:03.100 not much coming from me, I give him an A+. That was an excellent performance. For the record, I gave him
00:02:09.460 a B- for the French debate. And I think I was vindicated in saying that he seemed to be pulling
00:02:15.740 punches at the French debate because there wasn't much to gain in Quebec. Even if the conservatives
00:02:20.940 gained 5% in Quebec, they would literally win no extra seats. The conservative regions of Quebec are
00:02:26.600 very solid for the conservatives, but outside of those areas, the conservatives are coming in like
00:02:31.460 distant fourth or even fifth places, oftentimes. So if he really ripped the hinges off the doors for
00:02:38.460 the Quebec debate, what's he doing? You know, making it so that he wins the bows by more,
00:02:44.780 firming up the two Quebec city ridings that the conservatives win? It didn't really matter that
00:02:49.920 much to Polyev. So why telegraph what you're going to hit Carney with in the English debate during the
00:02:55.480 French debate? Just play coy, be nice, don't lean into anything that would, you know, basically play up
00:03:03.140 to what the media tries to make him out to be. Don't be too pugilistic or pugnacious so that the
00:03:08.100 media can't say, oh, look, he's mini Trump, just as we've been saying. So I thought Polyev in this
00:03:13.900 debate was excellent. A plus, he was aggressive, but positive. Amazing. Mark Carney. Let's actually
00:03:22.220 save Mark Carney for the end. Blanchette, I would say that he is the second place winner of this debate.
00:03:28.660 I wouldn't give him an A, but I would give him a B plus. He was great at being an attack dog for Quebec
00:03:35.800 against Mark Carney. He hit Polyev a little bit here. He would sometimes slap Jagmees in. But for
00:03:41.700 the most part, I think he understands that the Bloc Québécois survival relies on the liberals falling
00:03:48.000 apart in Quebec and not winning any of the Bloc Québécois Montreal suburbs. Because the liberals are just
00:03:55.060 the party of Montreal and Quebec. They don't actually have that many ridings outside of Montreal.
00:04:00.020 So for Mark Carney to win this election, he would need to basically expand into all these Bloc Québécois 0.89
00:04:05.200 areas. There's actually not many parts of the province where the liberals beat the conservatives.
00:04:09.220 It's mostly liberals versus Bloc, sometimes liberals versus NDP, and then it's Bloc versus conservative.
00:04:15.500 And so basically Blanchette just ripped the bark off of Mark Carney, basically tried to expose him as
00:04:24.380 not being very friendly to Quebec. He's giving money to the Ontario auto industry while he gives nothing
00:04:29.820 to the Quebec aluminum industry and other things that they're doing in Quebec. I don't follow the Quebec 0.53
00:04:36.140 economy that closely, but in general, he seemed like he did a good job. So I would give him a B plus.
00:04:41.100 I think he helped himself out. I think he is going to be gaining votes for the Bloc Québécois in Quebec
00:04:46.860 off of that performance, even though it's in English. Because Quebec voters like when the BQ leader goes to
00:04:52.860 the English debates and then just very, you know, sanctimoniously stands up for Quebec. So he did a
00:04:58.540 good job in that sense. Jagmeet Singh. I gave him on my live stream yesterday an F and I'm actually
00:05:09.020 reconsidering. Was Jagmeet Singh the most annoying person in the debate? Absolutely. He gets the most
00:05:16.460 annoying leaders award from me. Based on my own personal enjoyment watching him, I give him an F because
00:05:23.340 he was absolutely, he was awful. He was annoying. He was obnoxious. He was every other word for
00:05:30.220 like horrible and like grating. He is terrible. But if you were on the left wing of Canadian politics,
00:05:39.900 you probably thought that Jagmeet Singh was really taking it to Mark Carney and Paliyev.
00:05:45.500 He would cut people off constantly, but maybe that's what Jagmeet Singh needs at this point. He just needs
00:05:51.980 attention. And so, you know, I'm going to give him, I hate to do this, I give him a C minus.
00:06:00.220 Because while Mark Carney was being systematically blown up by Paliyev, Paliyev was doing like a
00:06:06.860 controlled demolition job. And Jagmeet Singh was like, like, constantly jumping up saying,
00:06:12.460 I have something to say about that. Hey, Paliyev, have you ever considered, hey, Mark, Mark,
00:06:16.620 have you ever considered healthcare? Hey, Paliyev, Gaza exists. It was terrible. But if you're on the 1.00
00:06:23.180 left and Mark Carney's being destroyed, maybe because he's getting himself some attention and
00:06:27.900 he seems like he's always in there and he's annoying Paliyev, you might get some people who
00:06:32.700 were originally going to go from the NDP to the Liberals to come back home to the NDP. Maybe he
00:06:37.420 can get himself to like 12 or 13 percent in the polls off of this debate performance. And now,
00:06:43.500 Marcus Julius Carney, I don't actually know what his middle name is. I'm just going to call him
00:06:50.620 Julius because he was assassinated in that debate like he was Julius Caesar. All the other leaders
00:06:56.620 basically just stabbed him to death. Steve Pakin was just sitting there, the moderator, horrified
00:07:01.340 as his entire political career came unraveled within two hours. It was actually that bad.
00:07:07.820 People will pretend like, no, he mostly was able to defend himself. That's what I saw in this,
00:07:13.180 it's from CTV News. That's what Thomas Mulcair was saying. And I usually actually like Thomas
00:07:17.660 Mulcair, even though he's NDP, former NDP leader. He can be reasonable. He even defended Paliyev for
00:07:23.180 not taking the security clearance for good reason. And he said like, oh, well, you know, Carney
00:07:28.940 Carney was able to mostly slough off all the attacks. No, unless taking direct hits is a defense,
00:07:38.620 unless he is defending himself from Paliyev's punches by absorbing them all into his stomach
00:07:44.940 and hoping it doesn't kill him. No, he didn't. He lost so hard. I give Mark Carney a D minus.
00:07:51.180 That was an awful debate. I'm going to go into some clips in a bit here.
00:07:55.420 He just, he was, he looked like a disappointed lizard as the debate went on. He just kind of had
00:08:02.220 this, well, he'd be like checking his notes. He'd be like looking away from Paliyev every time he was 0.54
00:08:09.260 being attacked because you could, you could see, he was like, where is my butler to tell this man
00:08:13.660 to stop talking to me? He just seemed peevish, sensitive, thin-skinned, and overly rehearsed.
00:08:20.780 Everything he said was just an overly rehearsed line or him fumbling all over himself to try to
00:08:25.580 respond to an attack. This is why in the French debate, he basically just stuck to talking about
00:08:30.060 Trump because the man cannot defend himself. He has to go on the offense against somebody else.
00:08:35.340 And Trump's an easy target because Trump's not there to defend himself. In the one instance,
00:08:40.060 he actually tried to attack Paliyev. He actually turned it into the best counterpunch I've ever seen
00:08:45.180 from a politician. He hit him on not getting his security clearance, Paliyev, and Paliyev turned
00:08:50.540 that into a, hey, you know that Paul Chang guy that you refused to get rid of after he called for
00:08:56.300 a conservative candidate to be locked up by the Chinese Communist Party? I wouldn't even be able to
00:09:01.180 talk about that if I had gotten the security clearance based on the absurd rules that the
00:09:05.100 liberal government put into place. But now, guys, we are going to watch some of these clips because
00:09:10.620 they are glorious. These are hilarious. Again, it's not one of those debates where Mark Carney's hair
00:09:17.500 is going to start on fire and his pants are going to fall down. He looks like a complete idiot.
00:09:21.580 People almost see bad debate performances through the lens of Joe Biden literally falling apart on
00:09:27.100 stage against Donald Trump. That's not what a typical bad debate performance looks like. Remember,
00:09:32.620 John Turner in 1984 got just demolished by Brian Mulroney over the you had a choice attack line that he was
00:09:39.740 using. There's been a lot of other good moments in debates that ended up helping out a party a lot.
00:09:45.020 I think the no two tier health care moment from Stockwell Day in 2000 really helped the Alliance
00:09:50.860 Party in that election, even though they didn't end up winning. But that was a good moment. I've
00:09:54.940 seen good moments in debates before. Mark Carney had no good moments. And in fact, he was very awkward.
00:10:01.740 When I saw statistics on how few people watched the entire thing all the way through,
00:10:05.820 I think it's because mostly liberals stopped watching because it wasn't very good to watch.
00:10:10.460 Anyway, so here is the first clip I want to show you. And then I'm going to switch over to X,
00:10:15.340 where there's a lot more bite sized clips that I have bookmarked. But here is one of the best
00:10:21.020 moments in my opinion. This is the moment of the debate where Mark Carney wrecked hard and never
00:10:27.820 recovered. Mr. Singh, sorry, he has the floor. The question you have to ask is after a decade of liberal
00:10:36.220 promises, can you afford food? Is your housing more affordable than it used to be?
00:10:42.620 What is your cost of living like compared to what it was a decade ago? And are you prepared to elect
00:10:47.980 the same liberal MPs, the same liberal ministers, the same liberal staffers all over again for a
00:10:53.260 fourth term? Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal,
00:10:59.740 writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone.
00:11:04.220 How can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous 10 years of liberal
00:11:10.700 government? 25 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that.
00:11:14.380 That is a brilliant moment. That is like TLC drama kind of dumping on Carney. If you didn't notice,
00:11:25.020 and I want to show you Mark Carney trying to respond to that. But Blanchet, you may have heard him say
00:11:31.500 this in the background. I'll even back it up by 10 seconds. As Poliev is landing this absolutely amazing
00:11:40.780 attack, like a fully loaded 7047 superliner or whatever massive airplane, Blanchet is literally
00:11:47.580 going like, ooh, ouch, that hurts. Like, because he knows that this is a horrible, horrible scathing
00:11:54.700 attack on Carney as basically being a fake being moved around by the exact same staffers that Justin Trudeau
00:12:01.580 was being moved around by. How can we possibly believe that you are any different? You could
00:12:07.660 literally hear him say, that's painful. Brilliant. That's painful. Then the previous 10 years of
00:12:13.500 liberal government. 25 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that. Look, I do my own talking
00:12:19.180 points. Thank you very much. The biggest risk we have to affordability, the biggest risk we have
00:12:26.940 to this economy is Donald Trump. So first and foremost, we've got to get that right. Secondly, we need
00:12:32.380 to do it in a way that brings everyone along together. That means preserving pharma care, dental care,
00:12:40.780 child care, reinforcing health care, spending our intrusion, intrusion, intrusion, intrusion in
00:12:46.060 Quebec jurisdiction over and again. I like the clock. And then you have Blanchet coming over the top
00:12:52.060 rope just to even interrupt Mark Carney's hurriedly lackluster response to Polyev. That's what Mark
00:12:57.900 Carney would do constantly during the debate. You don't need to see all of his responses. But what he would do
00:13:02.700 is someone would ask him a tough question, whether it was Polyev Singh or Blanchet that he didn't have a good
00:13:08.220 answer for. So he would filibuster. So he would talk about how the real threat, pregnant pause,
00:13:15.900 is Donald John Trump and the Republicans in the US. And it would be like taking forever to say nothing
00:13:23.500 just to try and run out the clock. He even had to do that with the attack question he asked to Polyev
00:13:28.620 about the security clearance. He needed to run out the clock during his own segment because of how poorly
00:13:33.580 it went for him. Now I want to bring up some of the other moments from the debate. I'm going to start off with a
00:13:38.700 moment that was bad, not even for the viciousness of the attack made on Carney, but for Carney's own words
00:13:45.500 being complete gibberish. He starts referencing the success of the Keystone XL pipeline, a pipeline that the
00:13:52.140 Liberal government killed and has never been built.
00:13:54.140 Secondly, recognizing that the biggest component of that was the cost of building Keystone. Keystone,
00:14:00.540 which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil and gas export or oil exports rather by 50%
00:14:05.900 in this country. That is an asset of the people of Canada. We own it. And the question of what to do
00:14:12.620 it. So it's not a subsidy that has disappeared, it's actually an asset of Canada.
00:14:16.060 He didn't know the difference, I believe, between Keystone XL and Northern Gateway. He literally
00:14:20.940 did not understand the difference. The man keeps mentioning the fact that he was born in the
00:14:25.820 Northwest Territories and grew up in Edmonton. And he does not know the difference between a pipeline
00:14:30.540 that exists and a pipeline that has attempted to be done before and kept getting killed by the Liberal
00:14:37.420 government. A project that he in the past has stumped against. Now let's move on to another moment.
00:14:44.700 Let's go to Yves-Francois Blanchet slamming Carney. Again, this was just Julius Caesar being stabbed to
00:14:53.020 death on the Senate floor in Rome. I want to know, will you, before the election, reveal all the details
00:15:00.380 of your assets as Mr. Singh has done, as Mr. Poiliev has done, and as I have done? We have a right to know
00:15:08.700 let's let him answer. Under those circumstances. Let's let him answer. Well, the first thing is,
00:15:14.220 I want to say a word about, I'll say a word about Brooklyn. He's going to filibuster. You know,
00:15:20.700 this is a Canadian success story. It is the largest infrastructure investor and developer
00:15:25.660 in the world. It is one of the largest, if not the largest developer of renewable power in the world.
00:15:32.380 And who benefits from that? That's Canadian pensioners. That's Quebec pensioners. That is
00:15:37.420 teachers, firefighters. It is a series of people, including individuals, including individuals
00:15:45.100 on this stage benefit from that. Now, always acted with integrity. Served the shareholders of Brookfield
00:15:53.820 when I was there. I have left that. I have followed all the rules well in advance.
00:15:59.740 Let's reveal your assets. I have followed all the rules well in advance.
00:16:02.300 Let's reveal your assets like we all did. And working for the people of Canada.
00:16:06.380 What do you own? Why don't you tell Canadians and Canadians what you own?
00:16:12.460 Notice how whenever another leader is addressing Carney or even being addressed,
00:16:17.500 they actually have body language that symbolizes a certain sense of strength.
00:16:22.380 That when Pauliev is talking to another leader, or Blanchet in that clip is talking to Carney,
00:16:26.940 yeah, he might look down at his notes and be taking a note quickly, but you can tell he's not
00:16:30.060 burying his face in because he doesn't want to look up. He then later moves over and
00:16:34.140 confidently looks at him across the way. Carney, as this debate is going on, if you watched it live,
00:16:39.900 you'll notice he's constantly looking away. He's constantly getting very small and tight around
00:16:44.540 his podium because he's not confident. You think this guy is going to negotiate with Donald Trump and do
00:16:52.940 anything but lose? He's a complete dullard. He's terrible on camera. Here's another one.
00:17:02.620 I want to jump over to this one. This is the security clearance backfiring. This is one of
00:17:07.740 the worst moments for Carney in the entire debate. I'll bring this up on screen.
00:17:11.180 I have got my security clearance when I was a minister. I got top secret clearance at the time,
00:17:16.460 so there's no problem getting that. But when the government made this recent offer, they said that
00:17:21.900 if I got the secret security clearance briefings, that I would be gay under the security law,
00:17:28.620 and I could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference. Now, given that
00:17:34.860 Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China, in two consecutive
00:17:42.620 elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution. And that was not
00:17:49.580 something I would be allowed to do. Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when
00:17:55.020 he was the leader of the opposition, he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your
00:18:00.860 government and Mr. Trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me. And it's good that I
00:18:05.340 made that decision, because it has allowed me to speak freely about things like the case where one
00:18:09.980 of your candidates, sir... You can tell that Carney probably knew this wasn't going well already,
00:18:16.460 because again, he started having that disappointed lizard face, where he just kind of looks like
00:18:20.940 he hates being there and he wishes he was anywhere else. Actually said that he wanted to send a
00:18:25.740 political opponent to China under a bounty threatening his life or imprisonment, and you
00:18:33.980 refused to get rid of him. Now, it might have something to do with the fact that you went to China
00:18:38.220 not long ago to get a quarter billion dollar loan for your company. But the reality is you refused to
00:18:43.820 stand up for a Canadian who was being threatened by a foreign government. And I was able to speak freely
00:18:49.900 on that matter because I refused the gag order that the Liberal government attempted to impose on me.
00:18:55.020 Well, you know, there's a couple of interesting things. I think people at home have seen a, you know,
00:19:00.300 have got my... By the way, the last 13 seconds of his timer there, it didn't go to anything. Carney
00:19:08.300 Carney just filibustered again. He tried to like at the very end, but he got caught off, tried to bring
00:19:13.100 up, well, there's other countries that are trying to interfere into Canada. And he was going to try and
00:19:17.500 pivot to India, imply that Polly is an asset of the Indian government. Pathetic. It's just 0.99
00:19:24.700 a weak, placid attack. That's all you would have to say. That's all you can say about Mark Carney's
00:19:30.940 entire performance. It's placid. It started off, when I say strong, I just mean in terms of the
00:19:37.100 amount it was highlighted, was they talked about Trump a lot at the start. Polly was very good at the
00:19:42.940 beginning, where I'm not sure if I have this clip. It doesn't really matter. But Polly was very good at the 0.97
00:19:47.660 beginning for going over the issue of Trump and making it very... He basically took the issue of
00:19:55.900 Trump and made it a failure of the Liberals. If you're scared of Trump, if you think he's going to
00:20:01.100 harm Canada, if you think Canada's vulnerable, well, who made us vulnerable? It wasn't. Trump in the last
00:20:05.420 few months has been the Liberals for 10 years. He did very well on that one. And I noticed that after
00:20:10.940 that question, we saw a spike in Trump references until Polly spoke and then they started going down
00:20:17.820 because it just wasn't a good attack line because Polly dominated it so early on that he wanted to 1.00
00:20:23.500 talk about literally anything else. Here's maybe another good clip we can watch. I'm trying to give
00:20:29.660 you guys a good overview of what had happened without just showing you the entire debate.
00:20:35.500 Well, Mr. Carney refused to answer the question about pipelines. Just the other day, he said that
00:20:41.980 he doesn't necessarily think we need to build pipelines. Let me tell you what that means. Right
00:20:47.420 now, the Americans get 97% of our oil, 100% of our natural gas exports at big discounts. We have to
00:20:54.380 send Canadian oil from Western Canada through the states just to get it back to Quebec because we don't
00:20:59.420 have a pipeline. And now there's this law, Liberal Law C-69, which effectively bans pipelines. The 14
00:21:07.340 biggest energy and resource companies say it has to go if we're ever going to build another project.
00:21:13.020 And I asked Mr. Carney why he would keep in place this anti-pipeline law that effectively empowers 1.00
00:21:20.460 Donald Trump to have a total monopoly on our single biggest export. Why would you not repeal
00:21:27.260 this Liberal Law? Isn't it because you are exactly in the same line as Justin Trudeau and the rest of
00:21:34.780 the Liberal team? That's a great pause screen right there. Just Carney looking on, trying to not make
00:21:43.420 eye contact with Pierre Polyev. I don't think that Carney maybe made eye contact with Polyev outside of
00:21:49.980 passing glances while he was talking about him, but then quickly moved on. Because again, it is one of those
00:21:55.740 telltale signs that somebody knows that they're losing is that they can't even look them in the eye
00:22:00.620 because that person is aggressive and strong, and I am weak and pathetic. So if I look at them,
00:22:05.580 I am going to freak myself out. It was so bad. And Polyev throughout it had that good body language. 0.94
00:22:12.860 The pattern was that he would basically punch Mark Carney, give him an uppercut at the start of a
00:22:17.900 question or at the start of a statement. He would just pound on Carney for a few seconds,
00:22:22.220 and then he would move back over and talk about the vision he has for Canada. Obviously,
00:22:26.940 there was moments where he was just in full attack mode because that was what the part of the debate
00:22:31.980 called for. But he was really good at jabbing, but then giving the positive vision. Jabbing,
00:22:37.820 positive vision. And it kills off the media narrative that he is Trump-like. He's just a mean, pugnacious
00:22:44.220 attack dog because he wasn't. He was critical, but then he was constructive. That was what worked.
00:22:51.180 Remember, going into this debate, more than a third of liberal supporters, people currently saying
00:22:57.420 they're going to vote for the liberal party are soft liberals in the sense that they are not
00:23:02.060 definitely going to show up and vote liberal. That's what the Angus Reid polls have been showing,
00:23:06.380 that 80% of conservatives say they're definitely voting conservative, but only 63% of liberals say they're
00:23:12.380 definitely voting liberal. This was a performance that I think is going to cause a lot of people
00:23:17.580 who were previously voting NDP in past elections to go back NDP, or people who were going to migrate
00:23:23.820 from the conservatives to the liberals to come back towards the conservatives, or just stay home
00:23:27.900 because, my goodness, that was crap. Because they probably are not feeling super confident about
00:23:32.860 showing up for the central banker after he can't even stand up to his opposition leader,
00:23:38.140 who he's claiming can't stand up to Trump. If you can't stand up to Paliyev, who you claim 0.70
00:23:43.260 won't stand up to Trump, well then how do you stand up to Trump? It doesn't really make much sense.
00:23:50.540 Now, I just want to jump over to Jagmeet Singh being the most annoying person on the planet.
00:23:57.980 Here's just 19 seconds, or I'll play a couple clips of it. It was hard to sit through because,
00:24:05.340 again, maybe this works for certain people, but you literally could not sometimes hear what another
00:24:11.020 leader was saying over the sounds of Jagmeet Singh just chirping from the background.
00:24:16.460 Now, well, Mr. Carney has temporarily...
00:24:18.620 Did you know the answer?
00:24:19.740 ...hidden the carbon test?
00:24:21.020 You know the answer either, you're just throwing out adam questions.
00:24:22.460 ...thousands of dollars, thousands of dollars.
00:24:23.740 He's picking it up, though, you don't know.
00:24:24.700 Okay, let him go.
00:24:25.900 Actually, I actually do know the answer to that question.
00:24:27.900 He's wrong.
00:24:28.380 When you add taxes to steel, you raise the price of everything that uses steel.
00:24:34.460 It's a strong argument to say you know the price.
00:24:37.580 When you add the carbon tax onto the price of, for example, fertilizer,
00:24:43.820 you increase the price of food.
00:24:45.580 So while Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the Liberal carbon tax at the pumps
00:24:50.060 while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to raise it after the election,
00:24:54.620 he's also going after a tax on our industry that will ultimately be passed on to you.
00:24:59.820 I also thought Polyev's defense of getting rid of the industrial carbon tax was very good.
00:25:06.140 Right there, Jagmeet Singh and then also Mark Carney were trying to basically call him out
00:25:09.820 because Polyev had asked Carney, well, what is the price on a ton of steel or whatever
00:25:16.700 from the industrial carbon tax?
00:25:18.060 How much is the industrial carbon tax adding to the price of everyday necessities for Canadians?
00:25:23.500 And they're saying, well, Polyev, you don't know the exact number.
00:25:26.540 So it's a stupid question.
00:25:27.820 It's like he doesn't need to know the exact number.
00:25:30.140 The whole point is Polyev knows that makes things more expensive.
00:25:32.860 And Mark Carney doesn't want to admit that, which is why he wouldn't answer Polyev.
00:25:36.700 And only when they found the stupid gotcha that Jagmeet Singh and Carney start like sitting up and
00:25:42.220 saying, well, you don't know how much it adds either.
00:25:45.260 Okay.
00:25:46.060 The whole point is it adds.
00:25:47.340 That's the thing that you guys don't want to admit to.
00:25:49.980 Here's another clip of Jagmeet Singh not being able to shut up.
00:25:52.380 90% of guns that come in that are used in crime are smuggled illegally over the porous
00:25:58.780 liberal run borders.
00:26:00.460 And that's why the police, it's not true.
00:26:02.860 And that's why the police, the police actually, if I could, the police actually
00:26:07.660 endorsed me for the police in Barrie, in Peel, in Sault Ste.
00:26:12.940 It was bad.
00:26:13.580 And then when they were talking about climate or whatever, or they were talking about like pipelines,
00:26:17.740 Polyev was obviously talking about natural resource development, doing more oil and gas
00:26:23.020 exploration, like starting more mines, building pipelines.
00:26:27.020 And Jagmeet Singh kept like chirping in.
00:26:29.100 Well, you want people to pollute as much as they want whenever.
00:26:32.780 Jagmeet, baby, stop speaking. 0.56
00:26:35.820 We don't care.
00:26:36.700 We don't care.
00:26:37.260 Again, maybe there are some like public sector workers who really thought Jagmeet Singh was
00:26:41.980 doing something there.
00:26:42.940 But my goodness, at least for me, it does not work at all.
00:26:47.660 Well, now I want to jump over to some data that was put out yesterday by abacus that I think proves
00:26:54.380 that this was a significant debate.
00:26:56.060 People can pretend, oh, it's not going to do much.
00:26:58.060 People don't really care about the debates.
00:27:00.460 They kind of do.
00:27:01.580 Look at this.
00:27:03.340 This was pre-debate.
00:27:05.260 It says, which leader do you expect to do the best?
00:27:08.140 In the French debate, obviously, it's Blanchet and Polyev who were scored at the top by
00:27:14.460 people abacus was pulling because, you know, like Polycarny doesn't speak French very well.
00:27:19.740 So they were expecting it was going to be one of the more fluent French speakers who was going to
00:27:22.860 win.
00:27:23.260 They also have Elizabeth May on here in the Greens, but they actually got cut from the debates. 0.99
00:27:27.580 But English debate, 41% of people expected that Mark Carney was going to do the best.
00:27:33.180 34% Pierre Polyev, Jagmeet Singh, 6%.
00:27:35.820 He's Francois Blanchet, 3%, and don't know was 14%.
00:27:40.140 Now let's jump up to this question.
00:27:45.260 Which leader did more to win your vote?
00:27:47.420 And this was after the debate, they asked people who they thought did the best.
00:27:51.660 Of people who watched all of the debate, 47% thought Polyev did the best.
00:27:58.940 37% thought Mark Carney did the best.
00:28:01.180 11% Singh, Blanchet, 2%, and none said 4%, or basically none of the leaders did well was 4%.
00:28:08.940 The only area, Paul, if you watch some of it, but not all, they were tied.
00:28:12.780 If you watched a little, you had Mark Carney at 44% to 37%.
00:28:16.700 Now, you could say, well, that sucks because most people don't watch the entire debate.
00:28:21.580 The difference is, is that in our world, people don't really sit down and watch the entire two-hour
00:28:26.460 debate unless you are psychos like myself who like to just watch through every debate that comes out.
00:28:32.940 Even if it's in French, you'll listen to the English dub.
00:28:35.500 The thing is that people consume debate through the clips, and the clips are terrible for Mark Carney.
00:28:40.460 It shows that if people watched a little bit of it, they thought Carney was doing well.
00:28:44.220 If they watched some of it, so let's say, like, you know, they watched a third of it,
00:28:47.260 they watched 50% of it, they thought that they were about tied.
00:28:50.460 If you watch the full thing, you were not under the impression that Carney was doing well at all.
00:28:55.660 In fact, the people who turned off the debate early probably were liberals who knew it wasn't going
00:29:00.380 well, so maybe we'll turn it off now and say that Carney was doing pretty good when I shut the TV off.
00:29:05.500 Overall, Polyev won it 43 to 40, with Jagmeet Singh at 11, and Neves-François Blanchet at 2.
00:29:12.060 But you have to remember, it is very difficult for Polyev to win a preferred prime minister poll
00:29:17.740 when most people will say Mark Carney if they vote for any of the left parties rather than conservative.
00:29:23.340 Polyev actually won this metric.
00:29:25.900 And again, as more people see more clips from this debate, it's going to shift quite a bit.
00:29:31.100 Now, let's go down here.
00:29:33.580 Impact of the debate.
00:29:35.900 And so we have 71% of people say the debate did not change how you would plan to vote.
00:29:40.220 And that makes sense. Most people tend to be pretty dogged with their choices.
00:29:43.740 A lot of those are obviously conservatives who said, I won Polyev before I walked in,
00:29:47.900 and I still want him now.
00:29:49.900 Now, 23% of people say the debate has made you rethink how you plan to vote.
00:29:55.260 And then 4% says the debate has made you change how you plan to vote.
00:29:58.140 And 2% says the debate has made you decide not to vote at all.
00:30:01.580 Now, maybe I'm making a foolish assumption here.
00:30:05.500 But I'm going to assume that the 29% of people who are considering changing who they're voting for
00:30:11.100 or have changed or they're not going to vote at all are not leaning conservative.
00:30:16.300 I assume it's mostly people leaning liberal or NDP.
00:30:20.220 I thought the block did quite well, so I actually think they probably firmed up many of their
00:30:24.460 supporters who ended up watching in English just for the love of the game.
00:30:28.460 But this is telling.
00:30:30.540 This is also, remember, that only 20% of conservatives were not definitely going
00:30:35.420 to be voting conservative.
00:30:36.380 They were somewhere on the spectrum of, you know, fairly certain or maybe not certain quite yet.
00:30:42.220 But liberals had more than a third of their people not willing to show up.
00:30:45.740 Again, who do you think supporters, based on that debate performance and how they went in
00:30:51.260 to the debate, were more likely to flip?
00:30:53.900 I am going to posit that it was the liberals who were far more likely to flip.
00:30:58.460 And now we have new polling results coming up today.
00:31:01.260 And I don't need to go over those because they were polls conducted before the debate.
00:31:05.500 Before the debate, in Main Street research, the conservatives are around one point down.
00:31:10.780 In abacus data, they're only two points down.
00:31:12.940 And actually, when you add confidence intervals to it, the conservatives are leading by one.
00:31:17.100 Liaison, which has not been friendly to the conservatives, but has been showing them gaining
00:31:20.860 some momentum, they're only two points down.
00:31:23.420 Even ECOS only has the conservatives eight points down, which sounds like a lot.
00:31:27.820 But they're also the pollster that at different times has had them down 16 points.
00:31:31.580 So if ECOS thinks that the liberals are leading by eight, it probably means that it's conservatives
00:31:37.180 leading by one or two because of just how bad their samples are.
00:31:41.020 Considering how tight it is, and the conservatives only need to win by a couple points to form a
00:31:45.100 minority government, that debate is going to change a lot of people's minds in the conservative
00:31:49.980 direction, in ridings where it was going to only be decided by two or three points.
00:31:54.860 You only need that election, that debate to flip 200 people in a riding from liberal to conservative
00:32:01.100 to have a big swing in favor of the conservative and have the conservative now winning by four or five
00:32:05.180 points.
00:32:06.220 This will matter.
00:32:07.340 And again, I've gone through the simulator on 338 Canada.
00:32:10.620 The conservatives, especially if the blocs start doing well in Quebec, can win the election without
00:32:15.500 even getting the plurality of the vote.
00:32:17.580 They can literally lose the popular vote to the liberals if the bloc have a clause doing well
00:32:21.980 enough in Quebec and still win the election.
00:32:25.180 So anyways, that should be it for me today, guys.
00:32:28.220 Oh, actually, no, it's not up for me today, guys.
00:32:30.460 I'm baiting you.
00:32:32.700 So anyone who survived me saying that briefly, you're a true hero because I needed to show you
00:32:37.660 something else.
00:32:38.780 So I want to cut to something that proves that Mark Carney did really bad.
00:32:43.660 We're going to first start off with the mainstream media who just outright admitted that, yes,
00:32:47.740 this was, in fact, a bad debate for Mark Carney and pure Polly of one.
00:32:53.500 Andrew Coyne, Chantal Hubert and the other lady here who's like an NDP stalwart, they will not admit
00:33:00.620 Polly has ever done something well in his entire life.
00:33:03.420 And even here, they were willing to say he did a good job.
00:33:05.820 Okay.
00:33:06.300 But particularly on this question of admitting the rebel news, et cetera, into this thing,
00:33:10.780 I think we've now seen the last nail in the coffin of any...
00:33:13.740 Oh, I think this is the wrong clip.
00:33:15.900 No, I need to find the other clip where they admitted that he was right.
00:33:19.900 Sorry, there's a lot of clips out there.
00:33:21.260 Here we go.
00:33:21.980 ...ever made some yards.
00:33:22.940 I think he had a good night.
00:33:24.300 He looked focused.
00:33:25.180 He was confident.
00:33:25.980 He was fluent.
00:33:26.780 He presented his case well.
00:33:27.900 He was not just a critic, but also outlining his own plan.
00:33:32.060 So I think by the normal standards of how you judge these debates, I think he had a good night.
00:33:35.820 And I do agree with Andrew that Pia Kholyev had a good night.
00:33:38.860 His goal was to sound more prime ministerial and look less like an attack dog that we've
00:33:43.260 come to know in the House of Commons.
00:33:44.460 And I do think that he succeeded in that.
00:33:46.620 See, even they know Pia Kholyev did a good job.
00:33:49.900 Now, I want to show you something that I think proves even more that he did a good job.
00:33:55.100 And that is Mr. Frank Dominic, one of our favorite leftist TikTokers, saying that the debate was mid.
00:34:01.260 The debate didn't really matter that much.
00:34:02.940 If you think this debate did not matter very much, it's probably because it did matter.
00:34:08.140 Would you waste your time making a video saying the debate was mid if it was actually mid?
00:34:12.780 No, you just wouldn't talk about it because it would be boring.
00:34:15.580 You're talking about it being mid and the fact it doesn't matter because, in fact,
00:34:18.540 it actually does really matter.
00:34:20.140 Here's how you know that Pia Kholyev is desperate. 0.97
00:34:22.380 Every time that Singler Blanchet would ask him a question or would attack him, 0.59
00:34:26.060 the moderator would then give him the ability to respond.
00:34:28.620 And Pierre would then immediately pivot and look at Carney and start attacking Carney.
00:34:31.820 He wouldn't even take the opportunity to respond to the people who attacked him in the first place.
00:34:37.100 Because it's Blanchet and Singh who are irrelevant to the Conservatives' path to victory.
00:34:43.740 Pierre is just scrambling and taking any opportunity to attack Carney,
00:34:47.260 to do anything in his power to get soundbites that he can use
00:34:49.820 in order to try to get any sort of momentum in the last couple days of this election.
00:34:53.580 And I don't think it's working.
00:34:54.780 He kept interrupting people during the debate and he didn't necessarily crush it like he needed to.
00:35:00.380 He didn't inherently do a bad job.
00:35:03.100 It's because he did very well, Frank.
00:35:04.540 Just say it.
00:35:05.500 It's so liberating just to admit that he did a good job.
00:35:09.340 I've even admitted when lefty politicians have debated well.
00:35:12.860 Blanchet, in a lot of issues except for immigration, is very left.
00:35:16.700 But he did a good job at both the French and English debates.
00:35:19.260 But in order to make changes in the polls, he needed to do a great job.
00:35:23.100 And I just don't think he did that.
00:35:24.700 None of them really did a great job, to be perfectly honest.
00:35:27.660 None of them were awful either.
00:35:28.780 It was just, it was mid.
00:35:30.540 It was mid. It was just a mid-debate, guys.
00:35:32.860 Nothing happened.
00:35:33.580 It wasn't like we watched a murder on screen of Polyev absolutely demolishing Mark Carney.
00:35:39.100 Because Mark Carney is a peevish, sensitive, thin-skinned man who didn't have anything good
00:35:44.140 to say in the debate.
00:35:45.100 He is not a good debater.
00:35:46.380 He's not a good negotiator.
00:35:47.820 And it was proven out on stage.
00:35:49.340 Him saying, ooh, Polyev's desperate, and that's why he wouldn't respond to Singh and Blanchet.
00:35:53.740 Oh, yeah, yeah. Polyev's desperate.
00:35:55.180 That's why he's doing smart things and not answering the irrelevant leaders' questions and pivoting over
00:36:00.540 to smacking the current Liberal government because they are, in fact, the issue of the election.
00:36:05.500 How incompetent the Liberal government has been.
00:36:07.820 What does Polyev have to gain by mocking Jagmeet Singh?
00:36:11.260 Let Jagmeet Singh gain some votes.
00:36:13.100 I don't care.
00:36:14.300 Let him do it.
00:36:15.100 Don't hurt Jagmeet Singh.
00:36:16.460 He's a complete worthless bag of like nothing on stage.
00:36:21.020 Now, here is another video by Frank Dominic arguing that Mark Carney actually was doing
00:36:26.780 doing quite well if you think about it.
00:36:31.580 The reason Mark Carney impressed during the debate wasn't any of his answers.
00:36:34.860 It was how he handled his opponents.
00:36:37.580 So Mark Carney did really well.
00:36:39.980 And the caveat here is you know he did really well, not because of any of the answers,
00:36:43.980 not because of anything that actually happened in the debate, but he handled people well.
00:36:48.940 How can he handle people well if his answers aren't good?
00:36:52.220 There was maybe one or two moments where he got flustered, but almost always,
00:36:55.660 if somebody was interrupting him or if somebody was berating him, he would just say,
00:36:58.140 please, please, let me finish.
00:36:59.100 Or he would, in some other way, give him a platitude and be kind about it and just basically say,
00:37:02.700 like, hey, like, can I just get through this?
00:37:04.780 And it almost always diffused the tension versus...
00:37:08.140 Sometimes Mark Carney said, lay off me, man.
00:37:12.700 Let me finish my sentence.
00:37:14.140 That was a real sign of strength.
00:37:15.580 Every once in a while, Mark Carney goes, let me finish.
00:37:18.140 Let me finish any of this, please.
00:37:19.900 Let me finish.
00:37:21.580 No, that's not.
00:37:22.780 It's terrible.
00:37:23.660 This is the way the other leaders would approach that kind of stuff,
00:37:25.660 usually escalated it or otherwise just had somebody else talking over them the whole time.
00:37:29.500 And it kind of makes sense now as to why Carney was able to have a decent conversation with Trump.
00:37:34.140 He obviously knows how to handle difficult people in difficult situations.
00:37:37.500 And I think that that's a skill that he gained as the governor of the Bank of Canada.
00:37:41.180 What is he talking about?
00:37:42.300 The governor of the Bank of Canada, Bank of England has trained him to deal with
00:37:45.660 difficult people.
00:37:46.780 That is, on the social level, it's a fairly easy job to be the governor of the Bank of Canada or
00:37:52.220 England.
00:37:52.860 There are a lot of skills that go into that job, but it's not exactly like a hot-blooded social job.
00:37:59.740 Oh, this is why he got along well with Trump.
00:38:01.980 If Polly have got along well with Trump, you would be crying like bloody havoc. 1.00
00:38:06.540 Think of England.
00:38:07.900 Now, let me be clear.
00:38:08.700 A lot of his answers during the debate were kind of crap.
00:38:11.260 There were some questions that he tried to dodge masterfully and it came off pretty sleazy.
00:38:15.420 Like during the one-on-one, there was a point where he was like obviously,
00:38:18.140 very obviously running up the clock.
00:38:19.820 But when we talk about what we want from a world leader on the world stage...
00:38:23.020 He was running up the clock in every debate.
00:38:24.700 So, like, Frank will kind of admit the truth, but then he'll temper it by saying,
00:38:29.020 oh, well, yeah, okay, he was crappy and he had terrible answers and he looked like garbage
00:38:34.300 and he reminded me of beige wallpaper.
00:38:37.100 But if you think about it, that's exactly what people want.
00:38:39.900 Being able to handle difficult people is probably a top priority.
00:38:43.260 How do you think Carney did during the debate?
00:38:44.940 Leave your thoughts in the comments down below.
00:38:46.780 Bad.
00:38:47.980 Bad, Frank.
00:38:49.820 He did badly.
00:38:52.620 What?
00:38:54.540 I don't even...
00:38:55.580 I also don't understand the way that these TikTokers make videos. 1.00
00:39:00.940 Like, I mug a little bit.
00:39:03.100 I'm on...
00:39:03.900 I'm filming myself talking for like 40 minutes.
00:39:06.620 I'm going to get a little silly.
00:39:08.700 Frank Dominic's making videos that are like a minute.
00:39:10.940 And he's like constantly like...
00:39:16.940 Like emphasize his point.
00:39:18.380 He like mugs so much in place of an argument or in place of some sort of like... 0.61
00:39:24.220 He'll make a snide remark and then kind of like push up his eyebrows a little bit.
00:39:28.700 And that's kind of...
00:39:29.660 This is style.
00:39:30.380 I don't know.
00:39:30.860 This is apparently what sells on TikTok.
00:39:33.660 Yeah.
00:39:34.220 He did bad.
00:39:35.020 Everyone knows he did bad.
00:39:36.140 That's why the debate commission canceled the Q&A.
00:39:38.860 It had nothing to do with Rebel News.
00:39:40.540 It had nothing to do with True North or Juno or Western Standard.
00:39:44.300 It had to do with the fact that Mark Carney got destroyed so bad they needed any excuse to cancel the Q&A.
00:39:49.740 There's a reason why Carney's people after the debate were so agitated.
00:39:54.300 Because it was not good and they knew they were in crisis mode.
00:39:57.580 That was another word that Carney liked using a lot during the debate.
00:40:00.380 I think everyone was talking about how we would talk about how we need to deal with the crisis fundamentally from the point of view that we need to catalyze investment in Canada.
00:40:10.540 He repeats himself so often.
00:40:11.980 I don't see people really attaching themselves to him because he feels like a walking script.
00:40:17.660 And that's it.
00:40:18.300 As Polly pointed out, he's in fact just the walking mannequin for the liberal script writers.
00:40:24.460 So that's it for me today, guys.
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00:40:39.820 As well as leave a comment.
00:40:41.260 Again, who would you give what letter grade to?
00:40:44.620 I gave Polly of an A, an A plus maybe.
00:40:47.900 I gave Blanchet a B plus.
00:40:50.300 I gave Mark Jagmeet Singh a C minus and Mark Carney a D minus.
00:40:55.660 So other than that, I will see you guys next time.