The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - July 29, 2024


Pierre Poilievre says Trudeau ＂is about as popular as a root canal＂

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Social Security reform
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Wyatt Claypool
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Pierre Poilievre Justin Trudeau Bruce Bandman Stephen Harper Rick Mercer Fraser Michael Ignatieff Jagmeet Singh Jenny Byrne Doug Ford
Justin Trudeau falls far behind in Liberal leadership polls! BC NDP in major trouble as BC Conservatives surge!

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Justin Trudeau is as popular with young people as a root canal, but is he ready to be Prime Minister of Canada? In this episode, I talk about why the Conservative Party of Canada is winning with young voters, and why it should be worried about Justin Trudeau.

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00:00:00.000 I do like myself a solid political attack, and the man that's best at it in Canada is
00:00:06.260 federal Conservative Party leader, Pierre Polyev.
00:00:09.260 He's actually good at knowing when to kind of be silent about Justin Trudeau, and then
00:00:14.140 knowing when to throw a punch, because if he was just swinging at him with haymakers
00:00:18.580 every single day, eventually it would get boring.
00:00:21.680 I know there's a lot of people out there on social media saying, well, if I was a Conservative
00:00:25.600 Party leader, I'd be saying this and that, and Justin Trudeau's this and that, and it's
00:00:29.860 just like swearing all the time, really going after him, that's not as effective as acting
00:00:34.800 dismissive, and that's what Pierre Polyev is good at.
00:00:37.860 In political marketing, what you want to do is what I would call setting the table.
00:00:42.720 This is what happened in 2011 with the Conservative Party going after Michael Ignatieff.
00:00:47.900 The idea was that he doesn't live here, he's just visiting, and he's going to lose because 0.96
00:00:52.400 he's a loser and he's going to go back to the United States. 0.85
00:00:54.380 That was a great way of going after Ignatieff because it was true about him, and you're 0.99
00:00:58.500 predicting the loss that's coming.
00:01:00.660 2015, Jenny Byrne ran a terrible campaign for the Conservative Party for Stephen Harper. 0.99
00:01:06.240 That stupid ad in 2015 that Justin Trudeau is just not ready is a horrible ad because it 0.99
00:01:11.960 never makes you think that Justin Trudeau would be a bad Prime Minister. 0.99
00:01:15.860 He's just not ready yet, which means he could be ready someday.
00:01:19.840 It's a horrible ad.
00:01:20.940 And what Pierre Polyev does is way more of the 2011 thing.
00:01:24.680 Justin Trudeau is unpopular, nobody likes him, and he's going to be gone after 2025.
00:01:29.440 You don't fear-monger, you don't do any of that. 0.97
00:01:31.220 You just set the table that this man's a loser and he's going to lose.
00:01:35.120 And so here we go with this great interview that True North did a clipping of from TNL TV.
00:01:40.600 Thank you, True North, for clipping this because I do not have a big team with me.
00:01:44.140 In fact, my team is literally just myself.
00:01:46.520 So here's a clip of Pierre Polyev saying that Justin Trudeau is as popular as a root canal.
00:01:52.660 And then I want to talk about a little bit of what this first woman mentions,
00:01:56.080 because I think it's interesting, this kind of misconception that is around what Conservative Party support looks like.
00:02:02.980 It is kind of frowned upon for young people to vote Conservative.
00:02:06.660 I think that the Conservative Party is associated with an older, wealthier, whiter crowd.
00:02:11.000 And I would love to know, what are you doing to appeal to those younger Canadians to show them that you do care about what they care about,
00:02:18.660 whether it's climate change or other topics that are important to them?
00:02:22.220 Before he answers, young people really do not care about climate change.
00:02:25.640 There are some climate fanatics, but they actually tend to be across all generations.
00:02:30.500 Young people care about affordability. 1.00
00:02:32.360 There is an activist set of young people, but they're voting NDP, and you're never going to win those people over.
00:02:37.600 Well, right now, in truth, we're crushing Trudeau with youth.
00:02:41.720 If you look at the polling data, Trudeau is now in third place.
00:02:46.560 He is, you know, he is about as popular as a root canal with voters under the age of 40. 0.52
00:02:53.940 And I'm in first place among that group.
00:02:55.760 And the reason why is obvious.
00:02:57.020 I'm the only one who gives you the hope of ever owning a home.
00:02:59.960 And that's a, I think that's a good way of putting it, that it's not like, the idea is that somehow, if you're more on the left, that means you're more popular with young people, because left people, like young people are left wing.
00:03:15.360 That's not true at all.
00:03:16.960 In fact, the Conservative Party, it would be wrong to say that the Conservative Party is a white, older, you know, male party.
00:03:25.300 It really isn't.
00:03:26.400 It actually is more of a middle-aged party, middle-class party.
00:03:29.740 The Liberals are, in fact, an older party.
00:03:32.300 They do disproportionately well with older voters.
00:03:35.700 And this is in part because the NDP is around.
00:03:38.240 The NDP is the youth left vote.
00:03:41.320 And then the Liberals are the older generation left vote.
00:03:45.140 Because a lot of people, you know, are pensioners and they like a party that will add benefits to them, you know, who will maintain benefit raises over time.
00:03:54.320 It's not quite right to assume that you're safer with the Liberals and the Conservatives, because the Conservatives will reduce inflation and make it so that your benefits go further.
00:04:02.440 The Liberals will promise more, but they'll also keep the stability that the pensioners like.
00:04:07.020 Whereas a lot of NDP politicians freak out older voters because they want to do so many radical things and they propose things like wealth taxes and, you know, rent controls and whatnot that are obviously a massive risk to your benefits as a pensioner, even if they're promising to give you more.
00:04:24.120 But here's the chart on where, what parties, and this is from the most recent Abacus poll, of what parties, how parties appeal with different demographics.
00:04:32.040 And so the Liberals in the poll overall were at 23%.
00:04:36.940 And you can see they do 1% better with 18 to 29-year-olds.
00:04:41.020 And then they do 3% better with people who are 60 and over.
00:04:45.140 It also is just true that if you're 60 and over and you were voting Liberal in the 80s and 90s, usually you kind of tend to keep voting that way.
00:04:54.120 So you could say that a lot of people who are 60 plus tend to lock into who they vote for.
00:04:58.260 But things have shifted a lot because the Conservatives are dominating with every single group.
00:05:03.680 The NDP in this poll had gotten 20%, so they do 4% better with the 18 to 29 crowd.
00:05:09.720 And you can see that when you go up to 60 plus, they are doing 4% worse.
00:05:14.300 So that's a big swing for the NDP.
00:05:16.760 The problem for the NDP as well is 18 to 29-year-olds do not really vote very much.
00:05:22.260 It's just a lower turnout demographic of voters.
00:05:25.380 Those in the 60 plus range do actually vote.
00:05:27.840 That's why the Liberals do disproportionately well in elections compared to their polling is because they are very popular in Eastern Canada.
00:05:35.500 And they're popular with voters over the age of 60 who are very likely to show up.
00:05:40.320 But the Conservatives, you can see here, are the opposite of both of them.
00:05:45.300 So the Liberals are an older party and the NDP are younger.
00:05:48.400 And then you'll see with the Conservatives, who I believe overall in this poll, I want to quickly check.
00:05:52.920 The Conservatives were 42% in this poll overall.
00:05:56.620 And they have 42 with 16 over, so that's average.
00:05:59.760 They do worse with younger voters because there was an idea that, you know, the Conservative Party isn't for the youth.
00:06:04.980 But even then, they're still winning it by 10% over both the NDP and the Liberals at 34.
00:06:09.400 But they do very well with the 30 to 44 crowd and the 45 to 59 crowd, which is a very good group of people to be winning because that is the majority population of voters.
00:06:21.020 This is the issue with the NDP and the Liberals.
00:06:24.340 They've micro-targeted groups of people to vote for them, who even if you started winning majorities of these voters, you'd still be losing the election.
00:06:32.140 Even if somehow the Liberals gained 10 points with 60 plus voters and the NDP gained 5, 6 points with 18 to 29s, they still wouldn't be winning because it's not that big a portion of voters.
00:06:45.560 It's an important portion, but you need to be winning middle-aged voters as well if you actually want to carry an election.
00:06:52.300 But now I just quickly want to jump over to some other Liberal propaganda.
00:06:56.740 They're, in a certain sense, their response to Pierre Polyev.
00:07:00.660 Pierre Polyev is popular.
00:07:02.540 He's attacking Justin Trudeau's unpopularity.
00:07:04.900 So what's the Liberals' move to trying to make Pierre Polyev less popular?
00:07:09.560 Well, they do the thing that that one lady was kind of intimating there, that conservatives are a party for rich white folks or whatever, rich white men. 0.99
00:07:20.000 And so they attacked Pierre Polyev in this recent post on X saying, you can't believe a word he says.
00:07:25.740 And it's quoting Pierre Polyev here saying, our job is always to stand with the common people.
00:07:30.220 And then they have a headline from the breach.
00:07:32.020 It's saying 10 mansions that common man Pierre Polyev has fundraised in.
00:07:37.700 Who cares?
00:07:38.660 I don't get this idea that, like, wow, you did a fundraiser with rich people?
00:07:43.840 What am I supposed to do, a fundraiser with the poor?
00:07:46.460 I'm not very rich.
00:07:47.660 Nobody wants to sit in my small studio apartment here and do a fundraiser where we all give, like, five bucks.
00:07:55.120 You're going to fundraise with people who can afford to donate.
00:07:58.460 Here's a small little plug.
00:07:59.900 If you live in BC, British Columbia, make sure to donate in the description of this video below.
00:08:05.200 I have a link to Bruce Bandman's fundraising page.
00:08:09.560 We're trying to make sure that the BC Conservatives are fully funded in the Fraser Valley.
00:08:13.200 If you donate to Bruce Bandman, we will be distributing donations to other ridings that need them as we see it because we're kind of managing the whole Fraser Valley here.
00:08:21.940 People keep saying I say Fraser Valley.
00:08:23.940 Wrong.
00:08:24.120 Fraser.
00:08:24.600 Fraser.
00:08:24.860 I don't get it.
00:08:26.340 But if you want to donate, there is that there.
00:08:28.240 That just reminded me of it.
00:08:29.600 But, yeah, you donate among people who actually have money because the vast majority of people do not donate to politics.
00:08:35.200 It's only, like, 5% of people maybe every five years will actually donate anything.
00:08:39.960 It's very, very hard to raise money in Canada.
00:08:43.280 But that was one of the weaker attacks they've made.
00:08:45.980 And then there's this one where they use, like, this Rick Mercer clip.
00:08:49.700 And this is something that the Liberal Party itself posted.
00:08:52.820 I don't know why.
00:08:54.140 I'm not sure why you'd ever cite Rick Mercer.
00:08:57.420 And they keep pumping this website, peersrecord.ca.
00:09:00.880 And it just, like, lists 20 things that I apparently – you're apparently supposed to feel scared about that Pierre Polyev has done.
00:09:08.040 It's, like, who cares stuff?
00:09:09.700 The most – the biggest negatives are some things he slipped up and said back in 2008 that is not going to affect this next election.
00:09:18.480 But it says, Pierre Polyev qualified for a government pension at 31, then worked with Stephen Harper to raise the retirement age of hardworking Canadians.
00:09:26.880 How is that fair?
00:09:28.000 And it's, like, what are you talking about?
00:09:30.020 Like, he doesn't get his pension until he turns at least 52 years old.
00:09:34.140 So it doesn't even matter if he drops out of politics now.
00:09:36.700 He doesn't get the money.
00:09:39.700 Conservative Member of Parliament, Pierre Polyevre, who will now qualify for a full pension the same month he turns 31.
00:09:48.660 The significant increases in the effective retirement age are required to maintain control of the cost of pensions.
00:09:55.420 Pierre Polyevre, the workers of Canada, salute you.
00:10:04.800 You know, I'm tired.
00:10:06.540 This makes me tired.
00:10:08.100 I'm sleepy.
00:10:09.700 Who cares?
00:10:10.920 Who cares?
00:10:11.360 If he gets a pension, why are the Liberals proposing to get rid of government pensions?
00:10:15.220 Maybe I'd vote for that.
00:10:16.360 But they have to propose it.
00:10:17.380 They can literally do it right now.
00:10:18.880 The Liberals and the NDP and the bloc, if they want to, you know, like, wave away the criticism that they are only trying to hold on to power as desperately as possible so they can get their pensions,
00:10:30.400 especially Jagmeet Singh, is because they just want to make sure some more of their people qualify for pensions like Jagmeet.
00:10:36.320 You guys can end government pensions right now if you want for elected officials, MPs.
00:10:42.380 Alberta did it.
00:10:43.040 There's no pensions for MLAs in Alberta.
00:10:45.760 You guys could do it right now.
00:10:47.100 They don't actually care that Pierre Polyevre qualifies for a pension.
00:10:50.720 And again, he doesn't get to collect it until he leaves office and he's past the age of 52, which is, I believe, for him another 10 years away.
00:10:58.100 So, what's the problem here?
00:11:00.740 Oh, but he raised the retirement age from 65 to 67.
00:11:05.120 Okay, do you guys want to talk about Social Security and pension reform?
00:11:09.560 Do you guys want to talk about that?
00:11:10.860 Because that's the real problem there, is that we have a formula that's based on six working people paying for one retired person,
00:11:18.460 but because of the lack of kids people are having, that means we are moving from five people paying for one person to four,
00:11:27.640 and then we might be moving down to three, which is really the danger zone for our Social Security system and retirement pension system.
00:11:35.640 So, are you guys going to reform that?
00:11:37.400 Or are you guys just blowing hot air about the fact that you don't like Pierre Polyevre?
00:11:41.560 Oh, wow, I can't believe that he gets a pension, something that he doesn't control.
00:11:45.000 I didn't realize that Pierre Polyev passed the Pierre Polyevre gets a pension law.
00:11:48.940 And then he also proposed raising the retirement age because it's flat out necessary.
00:11:54.160 I don't know what you're talking.
00:11:55.220 Unless we're going to do Social Security reform, it's kind of necessary.
00:11:59.020 And this is nonsense, like you deserve to retire at the age of 65.
00:12:03.100 Some people retire at 65.
00:12:04.900 Some people deserve it.
00:12:05.680 They've saved enough money.
00:12:07.140 Some people have to work later.
00:12:08.240 We have to move up the retirement age because of how overly generous, in many cases, the benefits have gotten.
00:12:15.840 I'd love to reform the pension system to make it so it's just an investment account that each person puts their money into,
00:12:22.500 and that person gets to live off that investment money in their retirement years.
00:12:27.140 That would be a smarter way of doing this rather than having a big pot of money that doesn't even get invested, 0.50
00:12:31.640 and we just basically turn it into a giant Ponzi scheme where we hope we have enough people putting money in so that some people can take money out.
00:12:38.540 It's not workable.
00:12:40.460 So are the liberals going to fix this?
00:12:42.620 No, they're just saying stuff.
00:12:45.200 It's just frustrating. 0.71
00:12:46.380 It's silly. 0.91
00:12:47.200 It's also silly. 0.76
00:12:48.540 Do I have anything else here to talk about?
00:12:50.280 No, that should be it for me today, guys.
00:12:52.160 You can tell I'm very disorganized.
00:12:54.000 But that should be it for me.
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00:13:21.080 And then also you can go and sign up on my website, WyattClaypool.com, if you guys want local election updates in your area.
00:13:29.020 Because I'm going to be trying to make this big list so if there's ever significant nominations going on in particular ridings or big elections going on in different provinces or cities,
00:13:38.580 I'm able to message everybody, email everybody in that area, and give you information you might want to know about candidates,
00:13:44.980 about different movements that you can get involved with, different parties, all that sort of thing.
00:13:49.540 So, like, in Ontario right now, if there is a snap election, like people are rumoring,
00:13:54.020 I would push you over to maybe, you know, looking into the new blue party of Ontario.
00:13:58.920 Doug Ford might be a conservative, but he's a conservative by name only.
00:14:02.600 He's not really conservative.
00:14:03.880 He is really just a bloated big government politician.
00:14:07.320 Maybe he's not a leftist, definitely.
00:14:09.180 He's not leftist.
00:14:10.060 But he is just sort of this, you know, relationshipy politician who spends money on different interest groups and in different industries in order to buy votes,
00:14:18.880 but doesn't actually reform the amount of overspending that is done in Ontario.
00:14:24.040 He's not lowering taxes.
00:14:25.720 He's not lowering.
00:14:26.800 He's not shrinking the bureaucracy like he should be.
00:14:29.160 So that's why I would push you over to a new blue.
00:14:31.340 But that's basically how my list will work.
00:14:33.000 If you sign up on WyattClaypool.com, I can then send you news on different people to get involved with,
00:14:38.200 different people to talk to, all that sort of stuff to keep you informed.
00:14:41.460 Anyways, that should be it for me today, guys.
00:14:43.900 Have a good one.